Authentication to eDirectory and ActiveDirectory

[Alan Pearson]

Hey Bret

Thanks for the reply. I'm a bit 'Netware Ignorant' having only  
fleeting experience, but watching many lists and postings.
It seems too much of a pain. I guess it's what you're used to.  
Although that said Linux can be a real pain too, no doubt.

Now I'm curious though, what is missing in OES2 that is in Netware  
(except AFP which is a sore point for me at the minute, but I  
understand it to be resolved in SP1)

Cheers
Alan

---
AlanP


On 26 May 2008, at 22:59, Brett McKeachnie wrote:

> Alan, respectfully,
>
> What you are forgetting is that we NetWare 'grey beards' are used to
> functionality that cannot as yet be duplicated on Linux - some of us
> have tried it (OES, OES2), and have had to move back to NetWare  
> because
> while Novell has somewhat drunk their own punch, many of their
> 'partners' still haven't gotten their act together to make their
> products run on Linux.  For that matter, there are some elements of a
> full Novell infrastructure that aren't on Linux yet - and many that
> aren't at full capacity/reliability.  Will they all get there? Yes,  
> but
> WHEN?  Oh, and all those things you listed that can be done on Linux
> (minus the OSS) . . . They can be done on NetWare, have been running  
> on
> NetWare for years, and when you install an SP that Novell pushes at  
> you
> (read SLES10SP2), it all doesn't blow up in your face and require  
> hours
> and days of rebuilding the "unbreakable Linux OS" (sore subject, long
> 'holiday' weekend).  When Novell and their partners all get on the  
> same
> page with Linux and OES2(3,4,?), many of us 'grey beards' will be  
> right
> there with you on Linux.  Until then, don't blame us for not wanting  
> to
> implement inadequate functionality on the extremely powerful Linux
> kernel.  More than that, understand when people move to recommending
> Windows, it can be out of frustration that Novell doesn't want to keep
> supporting their platform that provides the functionality they need,
> while M$ does, albeit for an inferior product.
>
> Thanks for listening,
>
> Brett
>
>
>>>> On 5/26/2008 at 3:21 PM, in message
> <3410AAAB-0FD5-4EC4-8CE0-DE26D2A36C18 at yahoo.com>, "Alan Pearson"
> <alandpearson at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Interestingly and off topic, I see this is the reason that Novell are
>
>> struggling a bit
>> All the Netware 'grey beards' aren't familiar with Linux and resist
>
>> the change.... and recommend Windows as it's the nearest to what they
>
>> know.
>> What I've seen of Netware isn't pretty, some dinosaur that 'abends'
>
>> with a totally proprietary way of doing things...
>> Now I'm going to duck, posting this on a Novell list..
>>
>> But, other people, like me, who have come from Linux, and have used
> it
>> for years, finally find a non-MS system that does everything, plays
>
>> well with others, and runs on Linux
>> Linux ain't just a kernel (well it is, but let's not go there), it's
> a
>> OS more powerful than Netware could dream of.
>>
>> I plumped for Novell last year for a 60 person startup, all Linux
>> servers, Win/Linux/Mac desktops (s/w house) and Novell was the only
>
>> game in town that could do EVERYTHING :
>>
>> 1) Groupwise for Mail, cross platform (not as smart as exchange in
>> some respects, but damn close, and bloody reliable)
>> 2) Zenworks for everything PeeCee related (remote control, s/w
>> distribution, asset mgmt, policy enforcement)
>> 3) iPrint (could be better - read quotas ! - but pretty damn good and
>
>> reliable...... cross platform too !)
>> 4) NSS for Filestorage - more flexible than Linux equivs.. sure not
> as
>> fast, but flexibility rocks on it
>> 5) Novell Trustee model - still the best model I've ever seen.. beats
>
>> the living daylights out of ACLs etc
>> 6) Edirectory - LDAP / Kerberos / everything in the directory
>>
>> All this is a lovely little deal called Open Workgroup Suite for <
>> £100 per head.
>>
>>
>> Oh yeah and it all runs on Linux, with millions of Open Source (read
>
>> free) tools to add to the value
>>
>> We've got a complete enterprise Linux system, all supported by one
>> vendor, that works really well cross platform.
>> I've become a real Novell head in < 1 year, and I just wish more
>> people knew about them.
>>
>> Please, for the love of Linus, never ever recommend a Windows
>> infrastructure to anyone .... Not when there is OES
>>
>> </rant>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>> AlanP
>>
>>
>> On 26 May 2008, at 22:07, Peter Van Lone wrote:
>>
>>> and, if this is all true --- then perhaps I now (finally) have a
>>> reason to dust off
> my Novell lab stuff, to try to figure this out?
> I
>>> have resisted OES linux just because it has seemed like a kludge,
>>> offering little to no benefit other than simply being on the "linux
>>> kernel". I was forstalling what I figured was going to be the
> eventual
>>> recommendation that my clients just bag it and give in to windows.
>>>
>>> Well ... maybe there is yet some actual reason to look into it?
>>
>>
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