From joea at j4computers.com  Wed Oct  1 14:56:31 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:56:31 -0400
Subject: Organizational CA
Message-ID: <48E34950020000850005EA6F@FS-LIN-OES>

Using the Novell CA, is there a way to create a custom names in certificates, at least when exported, so that, when it is imported (various places) it will say something other than "Organizational CA" ????

Basically, I want to be able to login into various networks that use Novell Certs, and not be bothered by those security warnings.  

That does not seem possible, as all the self signed certs that are exported for use as Trusted Root, from any tree, all say "Organizational CA".     Ff there is already an Organizational CA installed, the additional one seems to import (no error) at least with IE, but the old one remains, the new one is not imported.

Am I asking the impossible?

joe a.

From nathan.broome at oberlin.edu  Wed Oct  1 18:16:25 2008
From: nathan.broome at oberlin.edu (Nathan C. Broome)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:16:25 -0400
Subject: OT: syslog servers
In-Reply-To: <gbrq7l$5f6$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <68b791330809291124h1d15fa69h37ef72c71d741823@mail.gmail.com>
	<353F5966-5CDD-464A-85CD-76FCA336A5E6@yahoo.com>
	<68b791330809291510y6f271f0di768c1e447e848193@mail.gmail.com>
	<gbrq7l$5f6$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <48E3B069.5090700@oberlin.edu>

Peter,

I've set up syslog-ng on SLES 10.  We're using it to centralize logging 
of our servers, routers, switches, etc.  Check out this Cool Solutions 
page.  In addition to the syslog-ng man pages, it was very helpful in 
getting me started.

http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/18044.html



Nathan Broome



Paul Gear wrote:
> Peter Van Lone wrote:
>   
>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Alan Pearson <alandpearson at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> Hey Peter
>>>
>>> you don't need the perl thing.
>>> Linux comes with it's own syslog to do this, you just need to tell it
>>> to listen for remote syslog connections as well as local.
>>> I think SLED uses syslog-ng,  and googling syslog-ng remote syslog
>>> should give you the config flag (sorry I forget)
>>>
>>>       
>> ...
>>
>> The thing I wonder most, is if syslog can IGNORE local -- I want to be
>> able to collect ONLY remote, so that the log is clean with only the
>> stuff we are interested in.
>>     
>
> That's not necessary - with syslog-ng you can configure local stuff to
> go to one file or set of files and remote stuff to go to another.  You
> can even configure individual files for individual remote hosts.  Check
> out the documentation for syslog-ng for details - it's quite comprehensive.
>
> Paul
>
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From petervl at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 19:36:02 2008
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:36:02 -0500
Subject: OT: syslog servers
In-Reply-To: <48E3B069.5090700@oberlin.edu>
References: <68b791330809291124h1d15fa69h37ef72c71d741823@mail.gmail.com>
	<353F5966-5CDD-464A-85CD-76FCA336A5E6@yahoo.com>
	<68b791330809291510y6f271f0di768c1e447e848193@mail.gmail.com>
	<gbrq7l$5f6$1@ger.gmane.org> <48E3B069.5090700@oberlin.edu>
Message-ID: <68b791330810011136w12e54ae5ra9b1070ed7b558d9@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Nathan ... this is a very nice getting started thing!

Peter

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Nathan C. Broome
<nathan.broome at oberlin.edu> wrote:
> Peter,
>
> I've set up syslog-ng on SLES 10.  We're using it to centralize logging of
> our servers, routers, switches, etc.  Check out this Cool Solutions page.
>  In addition to the syslog-ng man pages, it was very helpful in getting me
> started.
>
> http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/18044.html
>
>
>
> Nathan Broome
>
>
>
> Paul Gear wrote:
>>
>> Peter Van Lone wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Alan Pearson <alandpearson at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey Peter
>>>>
>>>> you don't need the perl thing.
>>>> Linux comes with it's own syslog to do this, you just need to tell it
>>>> to listen for remote syslog connections as well as local.
>>>> I think SLED uses syslog-ng,  and googling syslog-ng remote syslog
>>>> should give you the config flag (sorry I forget)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> The thing I wonder most, is if syslog can IGNORE local -- I want to be
>>> able to collect ONLY remote, so that the log is clean with only the
>>> stuff we are interested in.
>>>
>>
>> That's not necessary - with syslog-ng you can configure local stuff to
>> go to one file or set of files and remote stuff to go to another.  You
>> can even configure individual files for individual remote hosts.  Check
>> out the documentation for syslog-ng for details - it's quite
>> comprehensive.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From Setienne at enesco.com  Wed Oct  1 21:45:27 2008
From: Setienne at enesco.com (Scott Etienne)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:45:27 -0500
Subject: NetWare volume monitoring in gigs?
In-Reply-To: <68b791330810011136w12e54ae5ra9b1070ed7b558d9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330809291124h1d15fa69h37ef72c71d741823@mail.gmail.com>
	<353F5966-5CDD-464A-85CD-76FCA336A5E6@yahoo.com>
	<68b791330809291510y6f271f0di768c1e447e848193@mail.gmail.com>
	<gbrq7l$5f6$1@ger.gmane.org> <48E3B069.5090700@oberlin.edu>
	<68b791330810011136w12e54ae5ra9b1070ed7b558d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E39B16.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>

We are evaluating OpManager (Advent), and successfully set up a disk-space threshold for our main fileserver. I don't like that it is in Kilobytes--the numbers are too large to make sense of--especially when looking at messages sent to a cell phone.
 
I don't know if this is the answer, but I saw that there is an NWNSS.MIB file, and it looks like you can monitor pool size--could it be in MB? I have no idea because the mib browser on OpManager can't do anything with this mib. When I interrogate the nssPoolFreeSize, all I get back is "Request failed or timed out. No error."
 
I can't find any info on Support Connection nor Google on this mib nor the value nssPoolFreeSize.
 
Does anyone know of a way to monitor Gigabytes or Megabytes free?
 
 
 
Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 

 

From James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com  Wed Oct  1 22:12:12 2008
From: James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com (James Taylor)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:12:12 -0400
Subject: NetWare volume monitoring in gigs?
In-Reply-To: <48E3AF38.9252.0075.1@eastcobbgroup.com>
References: <68b791330809291124h1d15fa69h37ef72c71d741823@mail.gmail.com>
	<353F5966-5CDD-464A-85CD-76FCA336A5E6@yahoo.com>
	<68b791330809291510y6f271f0di768c1e447e848193@mail.gmail.com>
	<gbrq7l$5f6$1@ger.gmane.org> <48E3B069.5090700@oberlin.edu>
	<68b791330810011136w12e54ae5ra9b1070ed7b558d9@mail.gmail.com>
	<48E3AF38.9252.0075.1@eastcobbgroup.com>
Message-ID: <48E3AF6C0200007500031DBF@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>

Novell Remote Manager? (NRM)

You can set thresholds on any of the monitored items, which includes disk usage, which will alert you when any of them are reached.
-jt
 
 

James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
678-697-9420
james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
http://www.eastcobbgroup.com







>>> "Scott Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com> 10/1/2008 04:45 PM >>> 
We are evaluating OpManager (Advent), and successfully set up a disk-space threshold for our main fileserver. I don't like that it is in Kilobytes--the numbers are too large to make sense of--especially when looking at messages sent to a cell phone.
 
I don't know if this is the answer, but I saw that there is an NWNSS.MIB file, and it looks like you can monitor pool size--could it be in MB? I have no idea because the mib browser on OpManager can't do anything with this mib. When I interrogate the nssPoolFreeSize, all I get back is "Request failed or timed out. No error."
 
I can't find any info on Support Connection nor Google on this mib nor the value nssPoolFreeSize.
 
Does anyone know of a way to monitor Gigabytes or Megabytes free?
 
 
 
Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 

 
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From jbchristensen at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 05:23:20 2008
From: jbchristensen at gmail.com (Jon Christensen)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:23:20 -0600
Subject: Organizational CA
In-Reply-To: <48E34950020000850005EA6F@FS-LIN-OES>
References: <48E34950020000850005EA6F@FS-LIN-OES>
Message-ID: <3b08acaf0810012123p1615d2c8v3675e306c1148af1@mail.gmail.com>

It's been a while since I've installed a new CA, but I think that when you
do, you can put in any name you want. The default is "Organizational CA." I
don't know if you can change it after the fact. You might have to reinstall
the CA & regen certs for all the servers through pkidiag.

Regardless of those facts, the certs will still not be trusted & will need
to be imported. The only way to avoid that is to generate a CSR & buy a
commercial cert. There are quite a few TIDs, AppNotes and Cool Solutions
articles that discuss this.
Jon

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 7:56 AM, joea at j4computers.com
<joea at j4computers.com>wrote:

> Using the Novell CA, is there a way to create a custom names in
> certificates, at least when exported, so that, when it is imported (various
> places) it will say something other than "Organizational CA" ????
>
> Basically, I want to be able to login into various networks that use Novell
> Certs, and not be bothered by those security warnings.
>
> That does not seem possible, as all the self signed certs that are exported
> for use as Trusted Root, from any tree, all say "Organizational CA".     Ff
> there is already an Organizational CA installed, the additional one seems to
> import (no error) at least with IE, but the old one remains, the new one is
> not imported.
>
> Am I asking the impossible?
>
> joe a.
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From joea at j4computers.com  Thu Oct  2 10:23:47 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 05:23:47 -0400
Subject: Organizational CA
In-Reply-To: <3b08acaf0810012123p1615d2c8v3675e306c1148af1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48E34950020000850005EA6F@FS-LIN-OES>
	<3b08acaf0810012123p1615d2c8v3675e306c1148af1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E45AF5.917D.0085.0@j4computers.com>

I do see, now, that one can change the name when creating.  In fact, I think I just did this late last evening.  Will know for sure when I get off site and import the cert.

Problem for me was, at least when creating CA with iManager 2.7.1, the suggested name is "greyed out" and only becomes "editable" after a bit of mouse clicking.   I just took it as a given that it was not editable, at all.

joe a.

>>> On 10/2/2008 at 12:23 AM, "Jon Christensen" <jbchristensen at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's been a while since I've installed a new CA, but I think that when you
> do, you can put in any name you want. The default is "Organizational CA." I
> don't know if you can change it after the fact. You might have to reinstall
> the CA & regen certs for all the servers through pkidiag.
> 
> Regardless of those facts, the certs will still not be trusted & will need
> to be imported. The only way to avoid that is to generate a CSR & buy a
> commercial cert. There are quite a few TIDs, AppNotes and Cool Solutions
> articles that discuss this.
> Jon
> 
> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 7:56 AM, joea at j4computers.com 
> <joea at j4computers.com>wrote:
> 
>> Using the Novell CA, is there a way to create a custom names in
>> certificates, at least when exported, so that, when it is imported (various
>> places) it will say something other than "Organizational CA" ????
>>
>> Basically, I want to be able to login into various networks that use Novell
>> Certs, and not be bothered by those security warnings.
>>
>> That does not seem possible, as all the self signed certs that are exported
>> for use as Trusted Root, from any tree, all say "Organizational CA".     Ff
>> there is already an Organizational CA installed, the additional one seems to
>> import (no error) at least with IE, but the old one remains, the new one is
>> not imported.
>>
>> Am I asking the impossible?
>>
>> joe a.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk 
>> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell 
>>
> 
> 


From pwelte at mail.nashville-k12.org  Fri Oct  3 16:10:51 2008
From: pwelte at mail.nashville-k12.org (Paul welte)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:10:51 -0500
Subject: Disk space utility question
Message-ID: <48E5EFAC.9B78.0012.0@mail.nashville-k12.org>

I was wondering if anyone has a GUI-based utility to show volume disk space usage on a per user basis by ownership.
 
I've got several wonderful utilities such as Windirstat, JDiskReport, and Showman that show disk space usage on a per user, home directory basis. However, they don't seem to catch files that were created by a user and moved to a different location. For instance, if I use Windirstat to view the disk usage on VolumeA, it might show UserA is using 500MB of storage. If I view the "Users with Space Restrictions" feature for VolumeA in ConsoleOne, it may show that UserA has 2.5GB of "Space in Use".  
 
I'm looking for a utility that will chart usage by owner and preferably list the locations of the files owned. We have Netware6.5 servers with NSS volumes.
 
Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
 
Paul Welte
Technology Coordinator
Nashville (Illinois) Public Schools

From rivars at mctweb.net  Fri Oct  3 16:15:05 2008
From: rivars at mctweb.net (Rick Ivars)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:15:05 -0500
Subject: Disk space utility question
In-Reply-To: <48E5EFAC.9B78.0012.0@mail.nashville-k12.org>
References: <48E5EFAC.9B78.0012.0@mail.nashville-k12.org>
Message-ID: <48E5F0A8.53BF.0037.3@mctweb.net>

look at tree size professional
 
http://www.jam-software.com/treesize/ 
 
Rick Ivars
Senior Network Engineer
Master CNE, MCP, GCE, RCE, Project+
Datamax/Micro
rivars at mctweb.net 
http://www.mctweb.net 
501-603-3000 

>>> "Paul welte" <pwelte at mail.nashville-k12.org> 10/3/2008 10:10 AM >>>
I was wondering if anyone has a GUI-based utility to show volume disk space usage on a per user basis by ownership.

I've got several wonderful utilities such as Windirstat, JDiskReport, and Showman that show disk space usage on a per user, home directory basis. However, they don't seem to catch files that were created by a user and moved to a different location. For instance, if I use Windirstat to view the disk usage on VolumeA, it might show UserA is using 500MB of storage. If I view the "Users with Space Restrictions" feature for VolumeA in ConsoleOne, it may show that UserA has 2.5GB of "Space in Use".  

I'm looking for a utility that will chart usage by owner and preferably list the locations of the files owned. We have Netware6.5 servers with NSS volumes.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Paul Welte
Technology Coordinator
Nashville (Illinois) Public Schools
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From James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com  Fri Oct  3 16:33:36 2008
From: James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com (James Taylor)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:33:36 -0400
Subject: Disk space utility question
In-Reply-To: <48E602F6.9252.0075.1@eastcobbgroup.com>
References: <48E602F6.9252.0075.1@eastcobbgroup.com>
Message-ID: <48E603100200007500032130@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>

I know you can get the information using Novell Remote Manager. I don't recall whether you can get a graphical view also.
-jt
 
 

James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
678-697-9420
james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
http://www.eastcobbgroup.com







>>> "Paul welte" <pwelte at mail.nashville-k12.org> 10/3/2008 11:10 AM >>> 
I was wondering if anyone has a GUI-based utility to show volume disk space usage on a per user basis by ownership.
 
I've got several wonderful utilities such as Windirstat, JDiskReport, and Showman that show disk space usage on a per user, home directory basis. However, they don't seem to catch files that were created by a user and moved to a different location. For instance, if I use Windirstat to view the disk usage on VolumeA, it might show UserA is using 500MB of storage. If I view the "Users with Space Restrictions" feature for VolumeA in ConsoleOne, it may show that UserA has 2.5GB of "Space in Use".  
 
I'm looking for a utility that will chart usage by owner and preferably list the locations of the files owned. We have Netware6.5 servers with NSS volumes.
 
Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
 
Paul Welte
Technology Coordinator
Nashville (Illinois) Public Schools
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From Sami.Kapanen at hamk.fi  Fri Oct  3 16:34:40 2008
From: Sami.Kapanen at hamk.fi (Sami Kapanen)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:34:40 +0300
Subject: Disk space utility question
Message-ID: <48E665C00200004E0003D16D@com-gwweb.hamk.fi>

I use dspace.exe from http://www.gadgetfactory.com/ for users based stats.
and dirsize.exe for directory based stats.

-sk


>>> "Paul welte" <pwelte at mail.nashville-k12.org> 10/03/08 6:10 PM >>>
I was wondering if anyone has a GUI-based utility to show volume disk space usage on a per user basis by ownership.
 
I've got several wonderful utilities such as Windirstat, JDiskReport, and Showman that show disk space usage on a per user, home directory basis. However, they don't seem to catch files that were created by a user and moved to a different location. For instance, if I use Windirstat to view the disk usage on VolumeA, it might show UserA is using 500MB of storage. If I view the "Users with Space Restrictions" feature for VolumeA in ConsoleOne, it may show that UserA has 2.5GB of "Space in Use".  
 
I'm looking for a utility that will chart usage by owner and preferably list the locations of the files owned. We have Netware6.5 servers with NSS volumes.
 
Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
 
Paul Welte
Technology Coordinator
Nashville (Illinois) Public Schools
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From mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us  Fri Oct  3 16:39:34 2008
From: mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us (Matt Smith)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:39:34 -0400
Subject: Disk space utility question
In-Reply-To: <48E603100200007500032130@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>
References: <48E602F6.9252.0075.1@eastcobbgroup.com>
	<48E603100200007500032130@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>
Message-ID: <48E6046F.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>

>>> On 10/3/2008 at 11:33 AM, in message
<48E603100200007500032130 at inet.eastcobbgroup.com>, "James Taylor"
<James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com> wrote:
> I know you can get the information using Novell Remote Manager. I
don't 
> recall whether you can get a graphical view also.
> -jt

You can get it to generate graphs, if that's what you mean.  I just
copied and pasted the numbers into a spreadsheet and generated my own
graphs to send out to users.  

I vaguely remember someone having a disk space analyzer that would
report usage by eDirectory account, but I completely forget the name. 
It was fairly expensive and came from somewhere in Eastern Europe.  NRM
works well enough for my purposes.

-Matt
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From jon.bronken at ndsu.edu  Tue Oct  7 14:56:15 2008
From: jon.bronken at ndsu.edu (Jon Bronken)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:56:15 -0500
Subject: Netware/hardware question
Message-ID: <48EB6A7F.6060303@ndsu.edu>

Greetings all-

I am curious if NetWare will have problems with dual Intel quad core
E5430 with 8GB of RAM (or 4GB).  I know this is over kill for us but
these might be used for other services in the future.

We are currently running NetWare 6.5 with SP7.

Thank you,

Jon


From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Tue Oct  7 14:59:44 2008
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:59:44 -0400
Subject: Netware/hardware question
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Message-ID: <OF7BF652BE.0002ED51-ON852574DB.004CBB25-852574DB.004CE1FE@lancaster.wnyric.org>

Jon,

We have NW 6.5 Sp7 running on some dual socket quad core intel processors 
with 4GB of RAM and they run fine.   NW shows 8 processors and registers 
all memory.  These are HP DL360 G5 boxes.

HTH,

T2



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Greetings all-

I am curious if NetWare will have problems with dual Intel quad core
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these might be used for other services in the future.

We are currently running NetWare 6.5 with SP7.

Thank you,

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From Steven.Aitken at nds8.co.uk  Tue Oct  7 15:05:05 2008
From: Steven.Aitken at nds8.co.uk (Steven Aitken)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:05:05 +0100
Subject: Netware/hardware question
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Hi Jon,

Overkill? Whatever gave you that idea... You could run 7 SETI threads on
the spare cores :)

That config should work fine - Netware will address the memory above 4GB
using PAE. Don't think it cares if the processors are distinct or
multi-core units.

Cheers,

Steve 
-----Original Message-----
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To: Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

Sent: 07/10/2008 14:56:15
Subject: Netware/hardware question

Greetings all-

I am curious if NetWare will have problems with dual Intel quad core
E5430 with 8GB of RAM (or 4GB).  I know this is over kill for us but
these might be used for other services in the future.

We are currently running NetWare 6.5 with SP7.

Thank you,

Jon

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>
>Hi Jon,
>
>Overkill? Whatever gave you that idea... You could run 7 SETI threads on
>the spare cores :)
>
>That config should work fine - Netware will address the memory above 4GB
>using PAE. Don't think it cares if the processors are distinct or
>multi-core units.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Steve 
----------
       Do note that the majority of interrupt servicing is glued to
processor 0, leaving less work for the other CPUs. Also note that
Intel's hyperthreading can be less than desirable, so many of us
turn it off in the BIOS.
       Joe D.

From Steven.Aitken at nds8.co.uk  Tue Oct  7 15:32:26 2008
From: Steven.Aitken at nds8.co.uk (Steven Aitken)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:32:26 +0100
Subject: Netware/hardware question
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PAE is an acronym for Physical Address Extensions. As a 32 bit processor
or operating system can by definition only address 32 bits, equivalent
to 4GB. PAE is effectively a mechanism for paging in memory outside the
4GB boundry into the 32 bit address space, much like the old EMS memory
of old.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: "Brian Hatchell" <hatchellb at vvc.edu>
To: Steven Aitken <Steven.Aitken at nds8.co.uk>

Sent: 07/10/2008 15:23:04
Subject: RE: Netware/hardware question

PAE?

Brian Hatchell
Network Manager
Sent from my Mobile Device, typos are common!

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Hi Jon,

Overkill? Whatever gave you that idea... You could run 7 SETI threads on
the spare cores :)

That config should work fine - Netware will address the memory above 4GB
using PAE. Don't think it cares if the processors are distinct or
multi-core units.

Cheers,

Steve 
-----Original Message-----
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To: Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

Sent: 07/10/2008 14:56:15
Subject: Netware/hardware question

Greetings all-

I am curious if NetWare will have problems with dual Intel quad core
E5430 with 8GB of RAM (or 4GB).  I know this is over kill for us but
these might be used for other services in the future.

We are currently running NetWare 6.5 with SP7.

Thank you,

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From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Tue Oct  7 18:04:06 2008
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 13:04:06 -0400
Subject: Netware/hardware question
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Joe,

Does the recommendation tot urn off hyperthreading apply to SLES as well? 
Have you experienced performance problems with SLES and SLES/OES2?

Thanks.

T2



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>
>Hi Jon,
>
>Overkill? Whatever gave you that idea... You could run 7 SETI threads on
>the spare cores :)
>
>That config should work fine - Netware will address the memory above 4GB
>using PAE. Don't think it cares if the processors are distinct or
>multi-core units.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Steve 
----------
       Do note that the majority of interrupt servicing is glued to
processor 0, leaving less work for the other CPUs. Also note that
Intel's hyperthreading can be less than desirable, so many of us
turn it off in the BIOS.
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From JRD at cc.usu.edu  Tue Oct  7 20:31:50 2008
From: JRD at cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:31:50 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Netware/hardware question
Message-ID: <01N0G233D2BC99EFU4@cc.usu.edu>

>Joe,
>
>Does the recommendation tot urn off hyperthreading apply to SLES as well? 
>Have you experienced performance problems with SLES and SLES/OES2?
>
>Thanks.
>
>T2
-------------
       The advice is rather general, I am afraid. The whole industry went
over the subject when HT first came out, and the recommendations were the
same as mine.
       As best that I can explain matters is, the CPU tries to overlap
execution to simulate multiple threading. The softwre is unaware of this
and as programmers know there can be some rather nasty situations where
that reordering of events produces wrong results. Threading in programs
is designed to know of and avoid those situations. Further, the performance
numbers published in the trade press showed little to no benefit.
       A search of Google or other engine should turn up a wealth of
discussion of the matter.
       I hope this helps. I recommend turning off HT as the prudent choice.
       Joe D.

From cimetmc at myrealbox.com  Tue Oct  7 20:42:25 2008
From: cimetmc at myrealbox.com (Marcel Cox)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:42:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Netware/hardware question
References: <48EB810A0200000700014908@mail2.nds8.com>
	<48EB810A020000070001490B@mail2.nds8.com>
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Message-ID: <gcge31$3bf$1@ger.gmane.org>

I would like to comment on 2 things said in this discussion to clarify
a few concepts and avoid confusion that might be caused by incomplete
information:

>        Do note that the majority of interrupt servicing is glued to
> processor 0, leaving less work for the other CPUs. Also note that
> Intel's hyperthreading can be less than desirable, so many of us
> turn it off in the BIOS.

The majority of interrupts on NetWare tend to be storage and lan
related interrupts. Already at NetWare 4.x the LAN driver
specifications were updated to allow NIC interrupts to be serviced by
any processor and not just processor 0. Starting with NetWare 5.0 SP1
(or maybe it was SP2), Novell also introduced multithreaded storage
drivers which also allowed interrupts to be precessed on any processor.
The processor 0 bottleneck on NetWare is not so much related to
interrupts that can only be but rather to protocols, services and other
applications that are not multiprocessor enabled and always have to be
executed on processor 0. The worst case is services that are called at
interrupt time but can only be executed on processor 0. In this case,
the interrupt itself might occur on a different processor but the
interrupt handler then needs to move the execution to processor 0 to
proceed.
Examples of important NetWare features that could only run on processor
0 for a long time or still can only run on processor 0 are:
- the IPX protocol (up to now)
- the TCPIP protocol (up to a later support pack in NetWare 5.1)
- the traditional file system (up to now)
- the NSS file system (for NetWare 5.x)
Also note that hyperthreading was a feature of Pentium 4 or Pentium 4
based Xeon processors. Current Intel multicore processors no longer
support hyperthreading. AMD never did. There is no need to turn
additional cores off (except maybe to save energy), but there is also
no benefit in having 8 cores on a NetWare server. As a general rule for
NetWare: less cores with higher clock speed are much better than more
cores with lower clock speed.

> PAE is an acronym for Physical Address Extensions. As a 32 bit
> processor or operating system can by definition only address 32 bits,
> equivalent to 4GB. PAE is effectively a mechanism for paging in
> memory outside the 4GB boundry into the 32 bit address space, much
> like the old EMS memory of old.

PAE in itself is not a paging mechanism like EMS. Rather it is an
alternate way in which the processor organizes the paging tables to
increase the physical address range. The EMS like paging mechanism is
just an (inefficient) software solution built on top of PAE to allow a
single application to address more memory. Unfortunately, the OS design
of NetWare where all major services run in the kernel address space
rather than in their own address spaces makes it difficult for NetWare
to make good use of the extra memory. Linux and Windows can make much
better use of more memory in 32 bit mode due to being fully protected
operating systems (but they are of course also available in 64 bit
versions which is still better to address lots of memory). The PAE
issue is discussed in more detail here:
http://wiki.novell.com/index.php/Memory_over_3GB_on_NetWare


-- 
Marcel Cox


From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Tue Oct  7 20:54:46 2008
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:54:46 -0400
Subject: Netware/hardware question
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Excellent Marcel and Joe, thanks for the info.

T2



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I would like to comment on 2 things said in this discussion to clarify
a few concepts and avoid confusion that might be caused by incomplete
information:

>        Do note that the majority of interrupt servicing is glued to
> processor 0, leaving less work for the other CPUs. Also note that
> Intel's hyperthreading can be less than desirable, so many of us
> turn it off in the BIOS.

The majority of interrupts on NetWare tend to be storage and lan
related interrupts. Already at NetWare 4.x the LAN driver
specifications were updated to allow NIC interrupts to be serviced by
any processor and not just processor 0. Starting with NetWare 5.0 SP1
(or maybe it was SP2), Novell also introduced multithreaded storage
drivers which also allowed interrupts to be precessed on any processor.
The processor 0 bottleneck on NetWare is not so much related to
interrupts that can only be but rather to protocols, services and other
applications that are not multiprocessor enabled and always have to be
executed on processor 0. The worst case is services that are called at
interrupt time but can only be executed on processor 0. In this case,
the interrupt itself might occur on a different processor but the
interrupt handler then needs to move the execution to processor 0 to
proceed.
Examples of important NetWare features that could only run on processor
0 for a long time or still can only run on processor 0 are:
- the IPX protocol (up to now)
- the TCPIP protocol (up to a later support pack in NetWare 5.1)
- the traditional file system (up to now)
- the NSS file system (for NetWare 5.x)
Also note that hyperthreading was a feature of Pentium 4 or Pentium 4
based Xeon processors. Current Intel multicore processors no longer
support hyperthreading. AMD never did. There is no need to turn
additional cores off (except maybe to save energy), but there is also
no benefit in having 8 cores on a NetWare server. As a general rule for
NetWare: less cores with higher clock speed are much better than more
cores with lower clock speed.

> PAE is an acronym for Physical Address Extensions. As a 32 bit
> processor or operating system can by definition only address 32 bits,
> equivalent to 4GB. PAE is effectively a mechanism for paging in
> memory outside the 4GB boundry into the 32 bit address space, much
> like the old EMS memory of old.

PAE in itself is not a paging mechanism like EMS. Rather it is an
alternate way in which the processor organizes the paging tables to
increase the physical address range. The EMS like paging mechanism is
just an (inefficient) software solution built on top of PAE to allow a
single application to address more memory. Unfortunately, the OS design
of NetWare where all major services run in the kernel address space
rather than in their own address spaces makes it difficult for NetWare
to make good use of the extra memory. Linux and Windows can make much
better use of more memory in 32 bit mode due to being fully protected
operating systems (but they are of course also available in 64 bit
versions which is still better to address lots of memory). The PAE
issue is discussed in more detail here:
http://wiki.novell.com/index.php/Memory_over_3GB_on_NetWare


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From cimetmc at myrealbox.com  Tue Oct  7 20:58:56 2008
From: cimetmc at myrealbox.com (Marcel Cox)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:58:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Netware/hardware question
References: <01N0FQYY8JBQ99EFIQ@cc.usu.edu>
	<OF5E78E8EE.203E8F79-ON852574DB.005D981C-852574DB.005DC346@lancaster.wnyric.org>
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TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org wrote:

> Does the recommendation tot urn off hyperthreading apply to SLES as
> well?  Have you experienced performance problems with SLES and
> SLES/OES2?

The effect on hyper-threading depends a lot on the applications being
used. The big disadvantage hyper-threading has on NetWare is NetWare
specific and Linux doesn't have any major downside on using
hyper-threading.
Here are some general rules of the thumb that may give you some ideas
on what to expect:

- CPU bound applications are those that can potentially benefit from
hyper-threading as hyper-threading allows the processor to maximise its
usage at high CPU loads.
- IO bound applications tend to benefit little or may even suffer from
hyper-threading.
- SMP has some overhead compared to non SMP. That means that on a
single core single processor machine, going from non hyper-threading to
hyper-threading mode gives you the overhead of going from single
processor to SMP mode. If the overhead is bigger than the
hyper-threading gain, then the system will become slower

Also be aware that hyper-threading on Intel processors is a thing of
the past and did only exist on those processors build on the Pentium 4
architecture. Processors built on the core architecture don't have
hyper-threading nor do AMD processors. For Intel Xeon processors for
example, this means that hyper-threading has gone for the 5100 series
of proecessors and upwards. All in all, this means that the whole
hyper-threading discussion only applies to older servers, but not to
new hardware.

-- 
Marcel Cox (using XanaNews 1.19.1.110)


From joea at j4computers.com  Wed Oct  8 15:38:20 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:38:20 -0400
Subject: iManager 2.7 (workstation) unable to add plug in
Message-ID: <48EC8D9E020000850005EAFD@FS-LIN-OES>

Running iManager on windows PC.    

Cannot add ncs (cluster services) plug in.  Have successfully added and removed plugins, including storage related plugins included with the zip file that contains the ncd plugin.

Assistance?

From joea at j4computers.com  Wed Oct  8 16:57:58 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:57:58 -0400
Subject: iManager 2.7 (workstation) unable to add plug in
Message-ID: <48ECA047020000850005EB01@FS-LIN-OES>

So, it appears one cannot do this.  NCS manageable only from server based install.

joe a.

>>> "joea at j4computers.com" <joea at j4computers.com> 10/08/08 10:41 AM >>>
Running iManager on windows PC.    

Cannot add ncs (cluster services) plug in.  Have successfully added and removed plugins, including storage related plugins included with the zip file that contains the ncd plugin.

Assistance?
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From James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com  Wed Oct  8 17:09:34 2008
From: James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com (James Taylor)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:09:34 -0400
Subject: iManager 2.7 (workstation) unable to add plug in
In-Reply-To: <48ECA29C.9252.0075.1@eastcobbgroup.com>
References: <48ECA29C.9252.0075.1@eastcobbgroup.com>
Message-ID: <48ECA2FE020000750003275F@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>

What platform?
You have to use the plugins for OES linux. And they have worked for me.
I don't know about netware, because I always use Novell Remote Manager or C1 for that platform.
-jt 
 

James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
678-697-9420
james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
http://www.eastcobbgroup.com







>>> "joea at j4computers.com" <joea at j4computers.com> 10/8/2008 11:57 AM >>> 
So, it appears one cannot do this.  NCS manageable only from server based install.

joe a.

>>> "joea at j4computers.com" <joea at j4computers.com> 10/08/08 10:41 AM >>>
Running iManager on windows PC.    

Cannot add ncs (cluster services) plug in.  Have successfully added and removed plugins, including storage related plugins included with the zip file that contains the ncd plugin.

Assistance?
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From joea at j4computers.com  Wed Oct  8 17:52:55 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:52:55 -0400
Subject: iManager 2.7 (workstation) unable to add plug in
Message-ID: <48ECAD29020000850005EB0B@FS-LIN-OES>

Workstation platform.  Seems a "no can do".

I thought a plugin was a plugin, for iManager.  Never seen diffent versions for different platforms.

joe a.

>>> "James Taylor" <James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com> 10/08/08 12:11 PM >>>
What platform?
You have to use the plugins for OES linux. And they have worked for me.
I don't know about netware, because I always use Novell Remote Manager or C1 for that platform.
-jt 
 

James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
678-697-9420
james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
http://www.eastcobbgroup.com







>>> "joea at j4computers.com" <joea at j4computers.com> 10/8/2008 11:57 AM >>> 
So, it appears one cannot do this.  NCS manageable only from server based install.

joe a.

>>> "joea at j4computers.com" <joea at j4computers.com> 10/08/08 10:41 AM >>>
Running iManager on windows PC.    

Cannot add ncs (cluster services) plug in.  Have successfully added and removed plugins, including storage related plugins included with the zip file that contains the ncd plugin.

Assistance?
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From joea at j4computers.com  Wed Oct  8 17:55:27 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:55:27 -0400
Subject: iManager, Cluster management,  File protocol Error, some
	clusters.
Message-ID: <48ECADC0020000850005EB0F@FS-LIN-OES>

Using server based iManager on linux, some clusters give "File protocol error occurred: cannot open the NCS version file on the selected cluster. The cluster software may not currenlty be running on this server".   Other clusters work fine.

TID 3085267 speaks to this, in a generic manner, but it does not cure the issue for certain clusters.

It does seem to be related to the clusters in question, using iManager on other servers gives the same error(s).  Yes, this is why I was trying to install NCS plugins on w/s based iManager.

Hints?

joe a.

From joea at j4computers.com  Wed Oct  8 20:49:53 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:49:53 -0400
Subject: iManager, Cluster management,  File protocol Error, someclusters.
Message-ID: <48ECD6A2020000850005EB13@FS-LIN-OES>

Problem resolved.   On certain servers, the cert that namcd uses did not get updated when a certificate renewal was done last week.  Someone's script needs error checking in certain spots.

joe a.

>>> "joea at j4computers.com" <joea at j4computers.com> 10/08/08 12:57 PM >>>
Using server based iManager on linux, some clusters give "File protocol error occurred: cannot open the NCS version file on the selected cluster. The cluster software may not currenlty be running on this server".   Other clusters work fine.

TID 3085267 speaks to this, in a generic manner, but it does not cure the issue for certain clusters.

It does seem to be related to the clusters in question, using iManager on other servers gives the same error(s).  Yes, this is why I was trying to install NCS plugins on w/s based iManager.

Hints?

joe a.
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From MGlenn at cco.state.oh.us  Thu Oct  9 15:18:21 2008
From: MGlenn at cco.state.oh.us (Michael Glenn)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 10:18:21 -0400
Subject: How to log Tomcat 5 start?
Message-ID: <s8edda89.095@cco.state.oh.us>

Hello; it's me again.

Tomcat 5 is giving me a few fits, and I would like to know if there's a method to redirect its startup messages to a log file, so I can pick at the problems a little more easily.

Thanks.



From scummings at louisvilletech.edu  Thu Oct  9 22:07:09 2008
From: scummings at louisvilletech.edu (Cummings, Steve)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:07:09 -0400
Subject: NetWare 6.5 Installation
Message-ID: <F4492CDB3173C44FB0E4B888F5A2E64E3F0EE7F768@sv-ac-xod-exch1.suscorp.edu>

I am having a major issue with installing NetWare past the point of frustration. I have done this process many time and have never had this problem. Here is my Hardware configuration

1 Adaptec Controller Card - ADPU320
2 SCSI Hard Disk Drives
   (a) Fujitsu 9GB
   (b) Seagate 36GB
1 SCSI HP Tape Drive
1 IDE CD/DVD ROM Drive
1 Mitsumi Floppy Disk Drive
8GB Memory
1 Intel Built-in Network Interface Card 10/100

After the process of finding the hardware, the install process wants to Match the hardware with the devices. At that point, I receive the following message:

No CD-ROM device was detected in this system. Load the appropriate driver HAM. Press enter to continue

FYI: When I remove the Adaptec controller card that the Hard drives are attached to and attempt install to an IDE 80GB hard drive, I have no problem whatsoever. I have also excluded one or the other SCSI HDD when I attempt the install to see if it is a problem with the HDD's, but it will not continue from that point.

Does anyone have any suggestions.

Stephen Cummings



From RGrein at tpchd.org  Thu Oct  9 23:30:45 2008
From: RGrein at tpchd.org (Randy Grein)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:30:45 -0700
Subject: NetWare 6.5 Installation
In-Reply-To: <F4492CDB3173C44FB0E4B888F5A2E64E3F0EE7F768@sv-ac-xod-exch1.suscorp.edu>
References: <F4492CDB3173C44FB0E4B888F5A2E64E3F0EE7F768@sv-ac-xod-exch1.suscorp.edu>
Message-ID: <48EE23A7.811E.0072.0@tpchd.org>

1. Make sure your IDE drive isn't being disabled in BIOS with the autoconfiguration of the SCSI drive.
2. Manually ensure the IDE drivers are being loaded.
3. Be careful with the SCSI tape drive. If it's on the same bus as the hard drives you can have any number of problems.

Randy Grein
Sr. Network Engineer


>>> "Cummings, Steve" <scummings at louisvilletech.edu> 10/9/2008 2:07 PM >>>
I am having a major issue with installing NetWare past the point of frustration. I have done this process many time and have never had this problem. Here is my Hardware configuration

1 Adaptec Controller Card - ADPU320
2 SCSI Hard Disk Drives
   (a) Fujitsu 9GB
   (b) Seagate 36GB
1 SCSI HP Tape Drive
1 IDE CD/DVD ROM Drive
1 Mitsumi Floppy Disk Drive
8GB Memory
1 Intel Built-in Network Interface Card 10/100

After the process of finding the hardware, the install process wants to Match the hardware with the devices. At that point, I receive the following message:

No CD-ROM device was detected in this system. Load the appropriate driver HAM. Press enter to continue

FYI: When I remove the Adaptec controller card that the Hard drives are attached to and attempt install to an IDE 80GB hard drive, I have no problem whatsoever. I have also excluded one or the other SCSI HDD when I attempt the install to see if it is a problem with the HDD's, but it will not continue from that point.

Does anyone have any suggestions.

Stephen Cummings


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From awleask at gmail.com  Thu Oct  9 23:36:23 2008
From: awleask at gmail.com (Alister Leask)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:36:23 +1300
Subject: NetWare 6.5 Installation
In-Reply-To: <F4492CDB3173C44FB0E4B888F5A2E64E3F0EE7F768@sv-ac-xod-exch1.suscorp.edu>
References: <F4492CDB3173C44FB0E4B888F5A2E64E3F0EE7F768@sv-ac-xod-exch1.suscorp.edu>
Message-ID: <397cc55b0810091536l5fa372c7t49f7f45794e57e3d@mail.gmail.com>

Steve,

I've had similar problem before with the SCSI adapter masking the
CDROM. We used a USB CD/DVD to do the install.

Good Luck.

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 10:07, Cummings, Steve
<scummings at louisvilletech.edu> wrote:
> I am having a major issue with installing NetWare past the point of frustration. I have done this process many time and have never had this problem. Here is my Hardware configuration

>
> FYI: When I remove the Adaptec controller card that the Hard drives are attached to and attempt install to an IDE 80GB hard drive, I have no problem whatsoever. I have also excluded one or the other SCSI HDD when I attempt the install to see if it is a problem with the HDD's, but it will not continue from that point.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions.
>
> Stephen Cummings
>

-- 
Alister Leask

From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk  Mon Oct 13 12:06:43 2008
From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe R. Doupnik)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:06:43 +0100
Subject: Stormy times on the server farm as well
Message-ID: <20081013110643.GA19360@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

       Just a small note on server things, to add to the general gloom.
       As some of you are undoubtedly aware, Linux has a new kernel
edition just beginning to appear in distributions. It is v 2.6.27
and brings some new features. Alas, it also results in problems with
at least VMware and perhaps other applications. 
      In a nutshell, VMware workstation, any version through 6.5 118166,
does not work with this kernel, and that includes using that Linux as a
VM guest with VMware tools. A kernel detail was removed, apparently VMware
still depends upon it, and there we are for the time being. Hopefully this
will be fixed soon, but as of today it isn't.
     Other aspects of the newer kernel and associated parts will be in
rough shape for a time. I am working with some beta renditions and they
need time to become acceptable.
     Thus cherish your SLES9/10/OES1/OES2 material until these matters
improve. SLES11, in closed beta, uses the new kernel, and we hope all
will be better when it is released for production.
     Joe D.

From ksebolt at franciscan.edu  Mon Oct 13 12:07:19 2008
From: ksebolt at franciscan.edu (Kevin Sebolt)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:07:19 -0400
Subject: Stormy times on the server farm as well (Out of the
	office)
Message-ID: <s8f2f3b5.057@gw2004.franciscan.edu>


From petervl at gmail.com  Mon Oct 13 12:46:45 2008
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 06:46:45 -0500
Subject: how to answer this question?
Message-ID: <68b791330810130446y288fb2c7r1f34676389a15dd5@mail.gmail.com>

Regarding a SLES10 sp1 server, a developer asked:

"Could you please tell how PHP was built on this server as we need to
add extra libraries (CURL & OpenSSL) and would just follow original
way."

Is this something that I can simply pick these additional libraries
from the software tool, and PHP will be updated? Or, does some kind of
manual intervention have to occur?

Peter

-- 



"Nothing works and nobody cares."
Woody Allen

http://xkcd.com/167/

www.the-brights.net

From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk  Mon Oct 13 13:49:35 2008
From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe R. Doupnik)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:49:35 +0100
Subject: how to answer this question?
In-Reply-To: <68b791330810130446y288fb2c7r1f34676389a15dd5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330810130446y288fb2c7r1f34676389a15dd5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081013124935.GA5724@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 06:46:45AM -0500, Peter Van Lone wrote:
> Regarding a SLES10 sp1 server, a developer asked:
> 
> "Could you please tell how PHP was built on this server as we need to
> add extra libraries (CURL & OpenSSL) and would just follow original
> way."
> 
> Is this something that I can simply pick these additional libraries
> from the software tool, and PHP will be updated? Or, does some kind of
> manual intervention have to occur?
> 
> Peter
-------------
      The method I use is to obtain the matching source RPM, unpack it,
look at the build script and set of patches. 
      For what it is worth, I see both curl and openssl support in the
PHP distribution suite for SLES 10 SP1. All one need do is add those
packages and go.
     Joe D.

From petervl at gmail.com  Mon Oct 13 15:10:31 2008
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:10:31 -0500
Subject: adding libraries to PHP5 install ---
Message-ID: <68b791330810130710h3ca9e7dbo364ac554bbbfb153@mail.gmail.com>

on a SLES 10 sp1 server that is an apache/php server. I have been
trying to add CURL and OpenSSL to support to PHP5.

When I select to add either of these packages in yast (the ncurses
version), I get the following message:

Package Dependencies

Problems

This would invalidate atom: php5-openssl-5.2.5-9.6.i586

atom: php5-openssl-5.2.5-9.6.i586 has unfulfilled requirements

Possible solutions:

delete PHP5-openssl


HUH?

First, what is "atom"? This does not appear to be a package that is
installed, so ... what is it?

There is a menu option to "solve" but when I choose that, it just pops
me back up to the "problem" description. It is the same when trying to
add either OpenSSL or CURL to PHP ...

Any idea what is going on?



Peter





-- 



"Nothing works and nobody cares."
Woody Allen

http://xkcd.com/167/

www.the-brights.net

From andrew.foulsham at imm.ox.ac.uk  Mon Oct 13 16:19:51 2008
From: andrew.foulsham at imm.ox.ac.uk (Andrew Foulsham)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:19:51 +0100
Subject: adding libraries to PHP5 install ---
In-Reply-To: <68b791330810130710h3ca9e7dbo364ac554bbbfb153@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330810130710h3ca9e7dbo364ac554bbbfb153@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48F37527.170A.0099.0@gwmail.jr2.ox.ac.uk>

>>> "Peter Van Lone" <petervl at gmail.com> 13/10/2008 15:10 >>>
>on a SLES 10 sp1 server that is an apache/php server. I have been
>trying to add CURL and OpenSSL to support to PHP5.
>
>When I select to add either of these packages in yast (the ncurses
>version), I get the following message:
>
>Package Dependencies
>
>Problems
>
>This would invalidate atom: php5-openssl-5.2.5-9.6.i586
>
>atom: php5-openssl-5.2.5-9.6.i586 has unfulfilled requirements
>
>Possible solutions:
>
>delete PHP5-openssl
>
>
>HUH?
>
>First, what is "atom"? This does not appear to be a package that is
>installed, so ... what is it?
>
>There is a menu option to "solve" but when I choose that, it just
pops
>me back up to the "problem" description. It is the same when trying
to
>add either OpenSSL or CURL to PHP ...
>
>Any idea what is going on?

I believe that the "atom" referred to here implies a package that can't
be subdivided. It could be a translation / internationalisation error.

My way round these circular dependancy problems is to install the
packages concurrently. 
Where rpm -ivh foo.rpm gives errors requiring bar and rpm -ivh bar.rpm
fails because of a dependancy that boils down to needing foo, I put both
rpms in a new subdirectory and do rpm -ivh *.rpm . Dependancy checking
then takes into account the results of installing both packages.
That should solve the problem.
The opensuse 1-click install service (for packages usually sourced from
software.opensuse.org and the build service manages the dependancies in
a very nice manner too. Unfortunately, it isn't enabled for the
enterprise products (although packages for the enterprise line can be
found in the build service, and they are very useful). A bit of
judicious configuration can set it up to work, though!

Best wishes,

Andrew Foulsham


?
Andrew Foulsham
IT Officer,
Weatherall Institute of Molecular Medicine
Tel. 01865 222618
andrew.foulsham at imm.ox.ac.uk


From Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee  Tue Oct 14 09:32:28 2008
From: Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee (Alar Pandis)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:32:28 +0300
Subject: "Host Server Attribute" is missing
Message-ID: <012f01c92dd7$65160410$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>

Hi!
After adding SLES OES2 into existing tree I noticed that DNS service install
failed (only one of them, I add most of services) and then I saw that "DNS
AG" and "IP AG" and "SSL CertificateDNS" and "SSL CertificateIP" object
complain about missing "Host Server Attribute".
Any ideas to proceed? I mean, is there in OES conf and setup menu some
option to recreate cert's etc? in SLES, I mean.
More thanks,
Alar.



From Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee  Tue Oct 14 10:00:39 2008
From: Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee (Alar Pandis)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:00:39 +0300
Subject: "Host Server Attribute" is missing
Message-ID: <013501c92ddb$54a8b4c0$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>

Hi again!
I forgot. iFolder, iManager etc. seems to work well on server. I don't need
DNS on this server (I have it n different server), but I won to have
OK-setup for future, who knows.
DNS error is "Failed to configure Novell DNS Services".
Alar.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alar Pandis [mailto:Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:32 AM
To: 'Novell LAN Interest Group'
Subject: "Host Server Attribute" is missing

Hi!
After adding SLES OES2 into existing tree I noticed that DNS service install
failed (only one of them, I add most of services) and then I saw that "DNS
AG" and "IP AG" and "SSL CertificateDNS" and "SSL CertificateIP" object
complain about missing "Host Server Attribute".
Any ideas to proceed? I mean, is there in OES conf and setup menu some
option to recreate cert's etc? in SLES, I mean.
More thanks,
Alar.



From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk  Tue Oct 14 10:37:38 2008
From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe R. Doupnik)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:37:38 +0100
Subject: "Host Server Attribute" is missing
In-Reply-To: <012f01c92dd7$65160410$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>
References: <012f01c92dd7$65160410$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>
Message-ID: <20081014093738.GA24115@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 11:32:28AM +0300, Alar Pandis wrote:
> Hi!
> After adding SLES OES2 into existing tree I noticed that DNS service install
> failed (only one of them, I add most of services) and then I saw that "DNS
> AG" and "IP AG" and "SSL CertificateDNS" and "SSL CertificateIP" object
> complain about missing "Host Server Attribute".
> Any ideas to proceed? I mean, is there in OES conf and setup menu some
> option to recreate cert's etc? in SLES, I mean.
> More thanks,
> Alar.
--------------
     The certs should be self correcting when eDir starts (part of the
health check system). But if they do not then from iManager (perhaps on
another machine if the local one does not work due to cert problems)
recreate the certificate objects in eDir. Do check the Novell docs on
adding the new certs to the Java keystore (where we used tckeygen on
NetWare).
    As for Novell's DNS server, check with iManager what the DNS server
details are like. The problem likely is there in plain sight.
    There might be more subtle problems at work here regarding certs and
where your CA resides. Thus on the NW servers in the tree, if any, have
a look with SDIDIAG. The Linux machinery lacks PKIDIAG itself, though
the health check is supposed to duplicate its work, but if you need one
grab a standalone copy from the Windows based eDir distribution.
    Joe D.


From Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee  Tue Oct 14 16:26:31 2008
From: Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee (Alar Pandis)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:26:31 +0300
Subject: "Host Server Attribute" is missing
Message-ID: <019301c92e11$3cdbf6a0$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>

Hi and thanks Joe!
No, with eDir start wasn't anything corrected. With certs I managed via
iManager -- repair didn't help, I need to delete those objects and then
create new ones and ... it did work well, thanks!
But with installing DNS (OES 2 on SLES) into existing tree I failed again (I
thought it is connected to certs).
I have in same tree another DNS server, may be this is why I can't add
another?
DNS server details show this another server info, no more. As I said earlier
I don't need to run this DNS, but I wonder, is this failed install connected
with something I have done wrong during installation. And ... later could be
more problems with this.
More thanks, Alar.

Joe R. Doupnik jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk Tue Oct 14 10:37:38 BST 2008
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 11:32:28AM +0300, Alar Pandis wrote:
> Hi!
> After adding SLES OES2 into existing tree I noticed that DNS service
install
> failed (only one of them, I add most of services) and then I saw that "DNS
> AG" and "IP AG" and "SSL CertificateDNS" and "SSL CertificateIP" object
> complain about missing "Host Server Attribute".
> Any ideas to proceed? I mean, is there in OES conf and setup menu some
> option to recreate cert's etc? in SLES, I mean.
> More thanks,
> Alar.
--------------
     The certs should be self correcting when eDir starts (part of the
health check system). But if they do not then from iManager (perhaps on
another machine if the local one does not work due to cert problems)
recreate the certificate objects in eDir. Do check the Novell docs on
adding the new certs to the Java keystore (where we used tckeygen on
NetWare).
    As for Novell's DNS server, check with iManager what the DNS server
details are like. The problem likely is there in plain sight.
    There might be more subtle problems at work here regarding certs and
where your CA resides. Thus on the NW servers in the tree, if any, have
a look with SDIDIAG. The Linux machinery lacks PKIDIAG itself, though
the health check is supposed to duplicate its work, but if you need one
grab a standalone copy from the Windows based eDir distribution.
    Joe D.





From pkoochin at sgi.sk.ca  Tue Oct 14 22:53:30 2008
From: pkoochin at sgi.sk.ca (Paul Koochin)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:53:30 -0600
Subject: Netware Folder Quota Reports
Message-ID: <48F4C079.02B2.0064.0@sgi.sk.ca>

Does anyone know of any utilities or tools that help report on folder sizes and folder quotas for NSS on NW6.5?

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From awleask at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 23:12:36 2008
From: awleask at gmail.com (Alister Leask)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:12:36 +1300
Subject: Netware Folder Quota Reports
In-Reply-To: <48F4C079.02B2.0064.0@sgi.sk.ca>
References: <48F4C079.02B2.0064.0@sgi.sk.ca>
Message-ID: <397cc55b0810141512q728dfdc5o9bfbfcf6df3868c8@mail.gmail.com>

JRB Utilities - www.jrbsoftware.com. Highly recommended by me (FWIW!)


On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:53, Paul Koochin <pkoochin at sgi.sk.ca> wrote:
> Does anyone know of any utilities or tools that help report on folder sizes and folder quotas for NSS on NW6.5?
>
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From Sami.Kapanen at hamk.fi  Wed Oct 15 09:28:44 2008
From: Sami.Kapanen at hamk.fi (Sami Kapanen)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:28:44 +0300
Subject: Netware Folder Quota Reports
Message-ID: <48F5D3EC0200004E0003E001@com-gwweb.hamk.fi>

for quota reports (& administration too!) we use
http://www.gadgetfactory.com/dspace.shtml

-sk

>>> "Paul Koochin" <pkoochin at sgi.sk.ca> 10/15/08 12:53 AM >>>
Does anyone know of any utilities or tools that help report on folder sizes and folder quotas for NSS on NW6.5?

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From Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee  Wed Oct 15 11:11:36 2008
From: Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee (Alar Pandis)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:11:36 +0300
Subject: "Host Server Attribute" is missing
Message-ID: <012e01c92eae$6874ebd0$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>

Hi again!
Only suspicious (for me) part in log I (during DNS service install -- failed
finally) see is:
[...]
[YCP] NovellPatterns.ycp:312
NovellPatterns::GetProductSourceID(OPEN_ENTERPRISE_SERVER) returned: 3
[YCP] AddOnProduct.ycp:907 Checking contentfile from source
[wfm] AddOnProduct.ycp:908 Pkg Builtin called: SourceProvideOptionalFile
[YCP] PackageCallbacks.ycp:1066 Source report start: src: 0, URL: , task:
Downloading files...
[YCP] PackageCallbacks.ycp:776 Opening source progress popup: Downloading
files...
[YCP] PackageCallbacks.ycp:834 OpenSourcePopup: _source_open: 1
[YCP] PackageCallbacks.ycp:1066 Source report start: src: 3, URL: dvd:///,
task: Downloading dvd:///%2Fcontent
[YCP] PackageCallbacks.ycp:830 OpenSourcePopup: new label: Downloading
dvd:///%2Fcontent
[YCP] PackageCallbacks.ycp:834 OpenSourcePopup: _source_open: 2
[source] SourceImpl.cc(provideJustFile):510 Going to try provide file
/content from 1
[media] MediaManager.cc(attach):571 attach(id=3)
[media] MediaCD.cc(attachTo):471 next 0 last -1
[base] Exception.cc(log):94 HalContext.cc(HalContext_Impl):255 THROW:
HalContext.cc(HalContext_Impl):255: Hal Exception: Unable to initalize HAL
context -- hald not running?
[base] Exception.cc(log):94 MediaCD.cc(detectDevices):385 CAUGHT:
HalContext.cc(HalContext_Impl):255: Hal Exception: Unable to initalize HAL
context -- hald not running?
[media] MediaCD.cc(detectDevices):405 Collecting SCSI CD-ROM devices
(/dev/srX)
[media] MediaCD.cc(detectDevices):419 Found SCSI CDROM cdrom</dev/sr0[11,0]>
[media] MediaCD.cc(attachTo):482 creating on-demand device list
[media] MediaCD.cc(attachTo):538 count 0
[media] MediaCD.cc(closeTray):317 Close tray /dev/sr0
[media] MediaHandler.cc(createAttachPoint):392 Trying to create attach point
in /var/adm/mount
[zypp] PathInfo.cc(_Log_Result):296 mkdir /var/adm/mount/AP_0x00000001 00755
[media] MediaHandler.cc(createAttachPoint):369 Created default attach point
/var/adm/mount/AP_0x00000001
[zypp] ExternalProgram.cc(start_program):172 Executing '/bin/mount' '-t'
'udf' '-o' 'ro' '/dev/sr0' '/var/adm/mount/AP_0x00000001'
[zypp] ExternalProgram.cc(start_program):283 pid 4641 launched
[media] Mount.cc(mount):98 stdout: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad
superblock on /dev/sr0,
[media] Mount.cc(mount):98 stdout:        missing codepage or other error
[media] Mount.cc(mount):98 stdout:        In some cases useful info is found
in syslog - try
[media] Mount.cc(mount):98 stdout:        dmesg | tail  or so
[media] Mount.cc(mount):98 stdout: 
[zypp] ExternalProgram.cc(checkStatus):330 pid 4641 exited with status 32
[media] Mount.cc(Status):251 exit code: 32
[media] Mount.cc(mount):144 mount /dev/sr0 /var/adm/mount/AP_0x00000001:
Invalid filesystem on media
[base] Exception.cc(log):94 Mount.cc(mount):145 THROW:
Mount.cc(mount):145: Failed to mount /dev/sr0 on
/var/adm/mount/AP_0x00000001: Invalid filesystem on media
[base] Exception.cc(log):94 
[media] MediaHandler.cc(removeAttachPoint):177 MediaHandler - checking if to
remove attach point
[zypp] PathInfo.cc(_Log_Result):296 recursive_rmdir
/var/adm/mount/AP_0x00000001 
[media] MediaHandler.cc(removeAttachPoint):189 Deleted default attach point
/var/adm/mount/AP_0x00000001
[base] Exception.cc(log):94 MediaCD.cc(attachTo):697 CAUGHT:
Mount.cc(mount):145: Failed to mount /dev/sr0 on
/var/adm/mount/AP_0x00000001: Invalid filesystem on media
[base] Exception.cc(log):94 
[media] MediaHandler.cc(createAttachPoint):392 Trying to create attach point
in /var/adm/mount
[zypp] PathInfo.cc(_Log_Result):296 mkdir /var/adm/mount/AP_0x00000001 00755
[media] MediaHandler.cc(createAttachPoint):369 Created default attach point
/var/adm/mount/AP_0x00000001
[zypp] ExternalProgram.cc(start_program):172 Executing '/bin/mount' '-t'
'iso9660' '-o' 'ro' '/dev/sr0' '/var/adm/mount/AP_0x00000001'
[zypp] ExternalProgram.cc(start_program):283 pid 4643 launched
[zypp] ExternalProgram.cc(checkStatus):336 pid 4643 successfully completed
[media] Mount.cc(Status):251 exit code: 0
[...]
More thanks, Alar.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alar Pandis [mailto:Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:27 PM
To: 'Novell LAN Interest Group'
Subject: RE: "Host Server Attribute" is missing

Hi and thanks Joe!
No, with eDir start wasn't anything corrected. With certs I managed via
iManager -- repair didn't help, I need to delete those objects and then
create new ones and ... it did work well, thanks!
But with installing DNS (OES 2 on SLES) into existing tree I failed again (I
thought it is connected to certs).
I have in same tree another DNS server, may be this is why I can't add
another?
DNS server details show this another server info, no more. As I said earlier
I don't need to run this DNS, but I wonder, is this failed install connected
with something I have done wrong during installation. And ... later could be
more problems with this.
More thanks, Alar.

Joe R. Doupnik jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk Tue Oct 14 10:37:38 BST 2008
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 11:32:28AM +0300, Alar Pandis wrote:
> Hi!
> After adding SLES OES2 into existing tree I noticed that DNS service
install
> failed (only one of them, I add most of services) and then I saw that "DNS
> AG" and "IP AG" and "SSL CertificateDNS" and "SSL CertificateIP" object
> complain about missing "Host Server Attribute".
> Any ideas to proceed? I mean, is there in OES conf and setup menu some
> option to recreate cert's etc? in SLES, I mean.
> More thanks,
> Alar.
--------------
     The certs should be self correcting when eDir starts (part of the
health check system). But if they do not then from iManager (perhaps on
another machine if the local one does not work due to cert problems)
recreate the certificate objects in eDir. Do check the Novell docs on
adding the new certs to the Java keystore (where we used tckeygen on
NetWare).
    As for Novell's DNS server, check with iManager what the DNS server
details are like. The problem likely is there in plain sight.
    There might be more subtle problems at work here regarding certs and
where your CA resides. Thus on the NW servers in the tree, if any, have
a look with SDIDIAG. The Linux machinery lacks PKIDIAG itself, though
the health check is supposed to duplicate its work, but if you need one
grab a standalone copy from the Windows based eDir distribution.
    Joe D.





From lists at shuters.net  Wed Oct 15 12:46:25 2008
From: lists at shuters.net (Matthew Shuter)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 07:46:25 -0400
Subject: Netware Folder Quota Reports
In-Reply-To: <48F5D3EC0200004E0003E001@com-gwweb.hamk.fi>
References: <48F5D3EC0200004E0003E001@com-gwweb.hamk.fi>
Message-ID: <48F5D811.5010807@shuters.net>

sweet...  and I just spent time two weeks ago going through 30+ servers 
checking volumes for space issues, etc...   seeing how much data I was 
backing up...
    and here I could have just clicked a button....

Sami Kapanen wrote:
> for quota reports (& administration too!) we use
> http://www.gadgetfactory.com/dspace.shtml
>
> -sk
>
>   
>>>> "Paul Koochin" <pkoochin at sgi.sk.ca> 10/15/08 12:53 AM >>>
>>>>         
> Does anyone know of any utilities or tools that help report on folder sizes and folder quotas for NSS on NW6.5?
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From Setienne at enesco.com  Wed Oct 15 15:29:15 2008
From: Setienne at enesco.com (Scott Etienne)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:29:15 -0500
Subject: OES2 Installation Options Question
In-Reply-To: <01MZNHO6L10I8WYK58@cc.usu.edu>
References: <01MZNHO6L10I8WYK58@cc.usu.edu>
Message-ID: <48F5B7EB.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>

I am building my first OES2 server. The server is going to be a eDirectory-based DNS / DHCP server, handle LDAP queries and an eDirectory RW Replica server. According to the doc, the default installation for SLES10SP1 contains AppArmor, and Print Server. My gut reaction is that I don't need either of those. I think I want GNOME and X Windows for using various GUI-based utilities like YAST, firefox and file management, but I will set the default runlevel for the server at 3, and load it manually if needed.
 
For what reason(s) would I or should I need AppArmor or Print Server?
 
Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 

 

From janthenat at waubonsee.edu  Wed Oct 15 15:31:26 2008
From: janthenat at waubonsee.edu (Joseph Anthenat)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:31:26 -0500
Subject: ZCM imaging from USB drive
Message-ID: <48F5B86E.E9CB.0080.0@waubonsee.edu>

I'm attempting to restore a zen image from a USB drive, while booted
from a ZCM CD.  I have 4 images to be restored, one main Vista image and
3 supplemental images with drivers, updates and such.  The Zenworks
Imaging Engine gui app recognizes all the images except the Vista image.
 The same Vista image file restores just fine from the network, using a
script that restores all 4 images in succession, but not from the USB
drive.  The Vista image is just over 5GB.  The file is visible in Zen
Imaging but I get the error message "This is not a ZENworks image file"
when I select it during a restore.

Any ideas what might be going on here?  Is it a file size problem?  The
ZENworks Imaging Engine is version 10.0.1.0.

Alternatively, anyone know how to get the ZCM boot disk to enable my
Marvel Yukon 88e8058 PCIe network adapter so I can just restore from the
network?

Thanks


Joe Anthenat ><> PC Technical Specialist
630.466.7900 x2741 - janthenat at waubonsee.edu

From Setienne at enesco.com  Wed Oct 15 16:17:49 2008
From: Setienne at enesco.com (Scott Etienne)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:17:49 -0500
Subject: OES 2 drive mapping question
In-Reply-To: <48F5B7EB.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
References: <01MZNHO6L10I8WYK58@cc.usu.edu> <48F5B7EB.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
Message-ID: <48F5C34D.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>

If I don't instal NSS on a OES-2 Linux server, and use Reiser file system, will I need Samba to map a drive to the root volume?
 
What are the options here?
 
Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 

 

From Sami.Kapanen at hamk.fi  Wed Oct 15 17:54:00 2008
From: Sami.Kapanen at hamk.fi (Sami Kapanen)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:54:00 +0300
Subject: OES2 Installation Options Question
Message-ID: <48F64A580200004E0003E0CD@com-gwweb.hamk.fi>

You can leave those out.

-sk

>>> "Scott Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com> 10/15/08 5:29 PM >>>
I am building my first OES2 server. The server is going to be a eDirectory-based DNS / DHCP server, handle LDAP queries and an eDirectory RW Replica server. According to the doc, the default installation for SLES10SP1 contains AppArmor, and Print Server. My gut reaction is that I don't need either of those. I think I want GNOME and X Windows for using various GUI-based utilities like YAST, firefox and file management, but I will set the default runlevel for the server at 3, and load it manually if needed.
 
For what reason(s) would I or should I need AppArmor or Print Server?
 
Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 

 
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From Sami.Kapanen at hamk.fi  Wed Oct 15 17:55:03 2008
From: Sami.Kapanen at hamk.fi (Sami Kapanen)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:55:03 +0300
Subject: OES 2 drive mapping question
Message-ID: <48F64A970200004E0003E0D1@com-gwweb.hamk.fi>

install NCP server that comes with OES2 and create ncp share that you can map with client32.

-sk


>>> "Scott Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com> 10/15/08 6:17 PM >>>
If I don't instal NSS on a OES-2 Linux server, and use Reiser file system, will I need Samba to map a drive to the root volume?
 
What are the options here?
 
Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 

 
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From mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us  Wed Oct 15 18:40:23 2008
From: mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us (Matt Smith)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:40:23 -0400
Subject: OES 2 drive mapping question
In-Reply-To: <48F64A970200004E0003E0D1@com-gwweb.hamk.fi>
References: <48F64A970200004E0003E0D1@com-gwweb.hamk.fi>
Message-ID: <48F5F2C2.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>

>>> On 10/15/2008 at 12:55 PM, in message
<48F64A970200004E0003E0D1 at com-gwweb.hamk.fi>, "Sami Kapanen"
<Sami.Kapanen at hamk.fi> wrote:
> install NCP server that comes with OES2 and create ncp share that you
can map 
> with client32.
> 
> -sk

You use the Novell Remote Manager, https://servernameorIP:8009 to
manage NCP shares.  You can expose anything although I'm thinking it's a
bad idea to expose the entire / partition.  I have done this once or
twice to make file transfers easy on me, but I immediately turned it
back off when done.  

I don't know if there's any performance loss, but so far with my
small-scale testing, there really doesn't seem to be much difference
between a true NSS volume and Reiser/ext3/XFS file systems shared out
via NCP.  File permissions are done at the network level with OES linux
v2.

I'd definitely recommend using NCP with a traditional linux filesystem
if you're going to have your NCP shares co-exist on the same disk as
your root partition.  NSS requires EVMS, a volume manager that is not
easily shoe-horned into the default install of a root filesysem.

-Matt
-- 

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Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685

From JRD at cc.usu.edu  Wed Oct 15 18:44:06 2008
From: JRD at cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:44:06 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: OES2 SP1 Public beta is now available
Message-ID: <01N0R4DLYOSO8Y52QZ@cc.usu.edu>

	It has been a long wait, but it's available today.
OES2 SP1 (NW and Linux) public beta is downloadable from
Novell's web site, www.novell.com/beta. The Linux part
REQUIRES SLES 10 SP2, not SP1 or earlier. OES2 (plain)
will not run on SLES 10 SP2.
	Please do keep in mind a couple of things. One is
the obvious that this is a beta and unfinished at that. As
Novell keeps saying about betas, do not put this material
into your production environment. They are correct, even a
simple schema extension may wreck havoc later on.
	The other is this is also an opportunity for you to
provide strong feedback to Novell on what you see.
	A caution. The migration tools vary considerably in
being ready. The identity migration part (move eDir, files,
et al. from one box to another and preserve all names/numbers)
in particular is not ready, so you have been informed. However,
yesterday I redid an experiment to take a fully patched OES2/Linux
machine and upgrade it to OES2 SP1, in-place (meaning install
SLES 10 SP2 as an update and simultaneously OES2 SP1 as an 
"add-on product"). That worked perfectly, with only one small bug
about finding an on-disk copy of the OES2 SP1 iso image.
	Do have a good time poking beta 4, and let Novell have
the feedback (sooner rather than later, concrete is setting).
	Joe D.


From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk  Wed Oct 15 19:04:38 2008
From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe R. Doupnik)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:04:38 +0100
Subject: OES 2 drive mapping question
In-Reply-To: <48F5F2C2.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
References: <48F64A970200004E0003E0D1@com-gwweb.hamk.fi>
	<48F5F2C2.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
Message-ID: <20081015180438.GA7385@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 01:40:23PM -0400, Matt Smith wrote:
> >>> On 10/15/2008 at 12:55 PM, in message
> <48F64A970200004E0003E0D1 at com-gwweb.hamk.fi>, "Sami Kapanen"
> <Sami.Kapanen at hamk.fi> wrote:
> > install NCP server that comes with OES2 and create ncp share that you
> can map 
> > with client32.
> > 
> > -sk
> 
> You use the Novell Remote Manager, https://servernameorIP:8009 to
> manage NCP shares.  You can expose anything although I'm thinking it's a
> bad idea to expose the entire / partition.  I have done this once or
> twice to make file transfers easy on me, but I immediately turned it
> back off when done.  
> 
> I don't know if there's any performance loss, but so far with my
> small-scale testing, there really doesn't seem to be much difference
> between a true NSS volume and Reiser/ext3/XFS file systems shared out
> via NCP.  File permissions are done at the network level with OES linux
> v2.

      The NCP pathway will cost performance, but usually it is acceptable.
The slowest combination is NCP to an NSS volume for large files. Even so
I have chosen to use NSS for security with NCP for convenience, and it
all works well (but large file transfer speeds are not up to FTP levels).

> I'd definitely recommend using NCP with a traditional linux filesystem
> if you're going to have your NCP shares co-exist on the same disk as
> your root partition.  NSS requires EVMS, a volume manager that is not
> easily shoe-horned into the default install of a root filesysem.

      Right. Please do not use a volume manager on your o/s file systems,
else have very serious problems when things break and you must boot from an
installation CD. Put NSS on its own disk drives.
      Joe D.

> 
> -Matt
> -- 
> 
> Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
> Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
> Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685

From Sami.Kapanen at hamk.fi  Wed Oct 15 20:03:07 2008
From: Sami.Kapanen at hamk.fi (Sami Kapanen)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:03:07 +0300
Subject: OES 2 drive mapping question
Message-ID: <48F6689B0200004E0003E0EE@com-gwweb.hamk.fi>

That is something I have problems accepting in general..
when using servers with internal storage (RAID) you need atleast 2 extra drives for the server just becoz of this detail.
You really don't need 300gb for the OS, and it eats up the drive slots from the actual data :/ 

-sk

>>> "Joe R. Doupnik" <jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> 10/15/08 9:04 PM >>>

      Right. Please do not use a volume manager on your o/s file systems,
else have very serious problems when things break and you must boot from an
installation CD. Put NSS on its own disk drives.
      Joe D.


From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Wed Oct 15 20:19:16 2008
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:19:16 -0400
Subject: OES 2 drive mapping question
In-Reply-To: <48F6689B0200004E0003E0EE@com-gwweb.hamk.fi>
Message-ID: <OF116A4616.2960EC06-ON852574E3.0069F1F6-852574E3.006A2312@lancaster.wnyric.org>

I think in the case of RAID you could just create 2 "containers" on your 
raid, use one for system and one for data volumes, the RAID obscures the 
actual physical drive for the purposes of segregating the OS and data.

I am sure Joe will correct me if I am wrong...now back to the OES2 SP1 
beta.

T2



"Sami Kapanen" <Sami.Kapanen at hamk.fi> 
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10/15/2008 03:03 PM
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Re: OES 2 drive mapping question






That is something I have problems accepting in general..
when using servers with internal storage (RAID) you need atleast 2 extra 
drives for the server just becoz of this detail.
You really don't need 300gb for the OS, and it eats up the drive slots 
from the actual data :/ 

-sk

>>> "Joe R. Doupnik" <jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> 10/15/08 9:04 PM >>>

      Right. Please do not use a volume manager on your o/s file systems,
else have very serious problems when things break and you must boot from 
an
installation CD. Put NSS on its own disk drives.
      Joe D.

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From mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us  Wed Oct 15 20:42:34 2008
From: mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us (Matt Smith)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:42:34 -0400
Subject: OES 2 drive mapping question
In-Reply-To: <OF116A4616.2960EC06-ON852574E3.0069F1F6-852574E3.006A2312@lancaster.wnyric.org>
References: <48F6689B0200004E0003E0EE@com-gwweb.hamk.fi>
	<OF116A4616.2960EC06-ON852574E3.0069F1F6-852574E3.006A2312@lancaster.wnyric.org>
Message-ID: <48F60F64.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>

>>> On 10/15/2008 at 3:19 PM, in message
<OF116A4616.2960EC06-ON852574E3.0069F1F6-852574E3.006A2312 at lancaster.wnyric.org>
 <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> wrote:
> I think in the case of RAID you could just create 2 "containers" on
your 
> raid, use one for system and one for data volumes, the RAID obscures
the 
> actual physical drive for the purposes of segregating the OS and
data.
> 
> I am sure Joe will correct me if I am wrong...now back to the OES2
SP1 
> beta.
> 
> T2

This is exactly what I do with my RAID enabled systems.  We're not
talking physical disks necessarily, just what the OS sees as a disk.

-Matt
-- 

Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685

From Setienne at enesco.com  Wed Oct 15 20:54:07 2008
From: Setienne at enesco.com (Scott Etienne)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:54:07 -0500
Subject: OES2 Installation Options Question: LDAP?
In-Reply-To: <48F64A580200004E0003E0CD@com-gwweb.hamk.fi>
References: <48F64A580200004E0003E0CD@com-gwweb.hamk.fi>
Message-ID: <48F6040F.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>

What about if I want this server to answer ldap queries for eDirectory? Do I need to install SLES 10's LDAP, or will this be provided by the OES install?
 
Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 

 


>>> "Sami Kapanen" <Sami.Kapanen at hamk.fi> 10/15/2008 11:54 AM >>>
You can leave those out.

-sk

>>> "Scott Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com> 10/15/08 5:29 PM >>>
I am building my first OES2 server. The server is going to be a eDirectory-based DNS / DHCP server, handle LDAP queries and an eDirectory RW Replica server. According to the doc, the default installation for SLES10SP1 contains AppArmor, and Print Server. My gut reaction is that I don't need either of those. I think I want GNOME and X Windows for using various GUI-based utilities like YAST, firefox and file management, but I will set the default runlevel for the server at 3, and load it manually if needed.

For what reason(s) would I or should I need AppArmor or Print Server?

Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 


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From mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us  Wed Oct 15 20:57:56 2008
From: mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us (Matt Smith)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:57:56 -0400
Subject: OES2 Installation Options Question: LDAP?
In-Reply-To: <48F6040F.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
References: <48F64A580200004E0003E0CD@com-gwweb.hamk.fi>
	<48F6040F.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
Message-ID: <48F612FF.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>

>>> On 10/15/2008 at 3:54 PM, in message
<48F6040F.8A77.004D.0 at enesco.com>, "Scott
Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com> wrote:
> What about if I want this server to answer ldap queries for
eDirectory? Do I 
> need to install SLES 10's LDAP, or will this be provided by the OES
install?

You'll want to use eDirectory, either as a standalone install or as
part of an OES install.  The LDAP that ships with SLES10 is OpenLDAP, an
entirely different product.  Unless you tell it otherwise, the
eDirectory install will provide you with a pre-configured LDAP service.

-Matt
-- 

Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685

From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk  Thu Oct 16 09:56:33 2008
From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe R. Doupnik)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:56:33 +0100
Subject: OES 2 drive mapping question
In-Reply-To: <48F60F64.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
References: <48F6689B0200004E0003E0EE@com-gwweb.hamk.fi>
	<OF116A4616.2960EC06-ON852574E3.0069F1F6-852574E3.006A2312@lancaster.wnyric.org>
	<48F60F64.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
Message-ID: <20081016085633.GA14375@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 03:42:34PM -0400, Matt Smith wrote:
> >>> On 10/15/2008 at 3:19 PM, in message
> <OF116A4616.2960EC06-ON852574E3.0069F1F6-852574E3.006A2312 at lancaster.wnyric.org>
>  <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> wrote:
> > I think in the case of RAID you could just create 2 "containers" on
> your 
> > raid, use one for system and one for data volumes, the RAID obscures
> the 
> > actual physical drive for the purposes of segregating the OS and
> data.
> > 
> > I am sure Joe will correct me if I am wrong...now back to the OES2
> SP1 
> > beta.
> > 
> > T2
> 
> This is exactly what I do with my RAID enabled systems.  We're not
> talking physical disks necessarily, just what the OS sees as a disk.
> 
> -Matt
> -- 
> 
> Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
> Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
> Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685
----------

        That is all correct. It is awkward having two or more pseudo-drives,
one for the o/s and others for data. Yet we are stuck with the situation
until Linux evolves to include volume managers within the boot apparatus
(including the installation CD/DVD).
	Story time on this. Years ago I used AT&T System V Unix, and I
applied Veritas volume manager to the whole system. Veritas is good stuff.
Alas, one not so fine day a problem occurred and the system would not boot.
The boot floppies (no CDs in those days) had no volume manager support and
hence the disks could not be read. The system was almost toast until I
outwitted the problem and barely survived. Never again, I said then. We see
the problem is not with Linux alone.
	A heads up on developments along this line. There is thinking that
over time to evolve from using EVMS to LVM2. LVM2 has broader and deeper
support these days. Thus you may wish to organize your disk apparatus to
permit a rebuild. When doing this you may wish to keep in mind shadow volumes
and what needs to be restored first.
	Joe D.

From Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee  Thu Oct 16 12:29:27 2008
From: Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee (Alar Pandis)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:29:27 +0300
Subject: "Host Server Attribute" is missing -- DNS setup failed on SLES
	OES2 - solved
Message-ID: <015701c92f82$736ac1c0$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>

Hi again!
Just for records.
We did it! =) Local Novell support (in Latvia) pointed me to TID 3884721 and
... it was the cause of problem and now is DNS setup also done.
More thanks,
Alar.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alar Pandis [mailto:Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 1:12 PM
To: 'Novell LAN Interest Group'
Subject: RE: "Host Server Attribute" is missing

Hi again!
Only suspicious (for me) part in log I (during DNS service install -- failed
finally) see is:
[...]
[YCP] NovellPatterns.ycp:312
NovellPatterns::GetProductSourceID(OPEN_ENTERPRISE_SERVER) returned: 3
[YCP] AddOnProduct.ycp:907 Checking contentfile from source
[wfm] AddOnProduct.ycp:908 Pkg Builtin called: SourceProvideOptionalFile
[YCP] PackageCallbacks.ycp:1066 Source report start: src: 0, URL: , task:
Downloading files...
[YCP] PackageCallbacks.ycp:776 Opening source progress popup: Downloading
files...
[YCP] PackageCallbacks.ycp:834 OpenSourcePopup: _source_open: 1
[YCP] PackageCallbacks.ycp:1066 Source report start: src: 3, URL: dvd:///,
task: Downloading dvd:///%2Fcontent
[YCP] PackageCallbacks.ycp:830 OpenSourcePopup: new label: Downloading
dvd:///%2Fcontent
[YCP] PackageCallbacks.ycp:834 OpenSourcePopup: _source_open: 2
[source] SourceImpl.cc(provideJustFile):510 Going to try provide file
/content from 1
[media] MediaManager.cc(attach):571 attach(id=3)
[media] MediaCD.cc(attachTo):471 next 0 last -1
[base] Exception.cc(log):94 HalContext.cc(HalContext_Impl):255 THROW:
HalContext.cc(HalContext_Impl):255: Hal Exception: Unable to initalize HAL
context -- hald not running?
[base] Exception.cc(log):94 MediaCD.cc(detectDevices):385 CAUGHT:
HalContext.cc(HalContext_Impl):255: Hal Exception: Unable to initalize HAL
context -- hald not running?
[media] MediaCD.cc(detectDevices):405 Collecting SCSI CD-ROM devices
(/dev/srX)
[media] MediaCD.cc(detectDevices):419 Found SCSI CDROM cdrom</dev/sr0[11,0]>
[media] MediaCD.cc(attachTo):482 creating on-demand device list
[media] MediaCD.cc(attachTo):538 count 0
[media] MediaCD.cc(closeTray):317 Close tray /dev/sr0
[media] MediaHandler.cc(createAttachPoint):392 Trying to create attach point
in /var/adm/mount
[zypp] PathInfo.cc(_Log_Result):296 mkdir /var/adm/mount/AP_0x00000001 00755
[media] MediaHandler.cc(createAttachPoint):369 Created default attach point
/var/adm/mount/AP_0x00000001
[zypp] ExternalProgram.cc(start_program):172 Executing '/bin/mount' '-t'
'udf' '-o' 'ro' '/dev/sr0' '/var/adm/mount/AP_0x00000001'
[zypp] ExternalProgram.cc(start_program):283 pid 4641 launched
[media] Mount.cc(mount):98 stdout: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad
superblock on /dev/sr0,
[media] Mount.cc(mount):98 stdout:        missing codepage or other error
[media] Mount.cc(mount):98 stdout:        In some cases useful info is found
in syslog - try
[media] Mount.cc(mount):98 stdout:        dmesg | tail  or so
[media] Mount.cc(mount):98 stdout: 
[zypp] ExternalProgram.cc(checkStatus):330 pid 4641 exited with status 32
[media] Mount.cc(Status):251 exit code: 32
[media] Mount.cc(mount):144 mount /dev/sr0 /var/adm/mount/AP_0x00000001:
Invalid filesystem on media
[base] Exception.cc(log):94 Mount.cc(mount):145 THROW:
Mount.cc(mount):145: Failed to mount /dev/sr0 on
/var/adm/mount/AP_0x00000001: Invalid filesystem on media
[base] Exception.cc(log):94 
[media] MediaHandler.cc(removeAttachPoint):177 MediaHandler - checking if to
remove attach point
[zypp] PathInfo.cc(_Log_Result):296 recursive_rmdir
/var/adm/mount/AP_0x00000001 
[media] MediaHandler.cc(removeAttachPoint):189 Deleted default attach point
/var/adm/mount/AP_0x00000001
[base] Exception.cc(log):94 MediaCD.cc(attachTo):697 CAUGHT:
Mount.cc(mount):145: Failed to mount /dev/sr0 on
/var/adm/mount/AP_0x00000001: Invalid filesystem on media
[base] Exception.cc(log):94 
[media] MediaHandler.cc(createAttachPoint):392 Trying to create attach point
in /var/adm/mount
[zypp] PathInfo.cc(_Log_Result):296 mkdir /var/adm/mount/AP_0x00000001 00755
[media] MediaHandler.cc(createAttachPoint):369 Created default attach point
/var/adm/mount/AP_0x00000001
[zypp] ExternalProgram.cc(start_program):172 Executing '/bin/mount' '-t'
'iso9660' '-o' 'ro' '/dev/sr0' '/var/adm/mount/AP_0x00000001'
[zypp] ExternalProgram.cc(start_program):283 pid 4643 launched
[zypp] ExternalProgram.cc(checkStatus):336 pid 4643 successfully completed
[media] Mount.cc(Status):251 exit code: 0
[...]
More thanks, Alar.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alar Pandis [mailto:Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:27 PM
To: 'Novell LAN Interest Group'
Subject: RE: "Host Server Attribute" is missing

Hi and thanks Joe!
No, with eDir start wasn't anything corrected. With certs I managed via
iManager -- repair didn't help, I need to delete those objects and then
create new ones and ... it did work well, thanks!
But with installing DNS (OES 2 on SLES) into existing tree I failed again (I
thought it is connected to certs).
I have in same tree another DNS server, may be this is why I can't add
another?
DNS server details show this another server info, no more. As I said earlier
I don't need to run this DNS, but I wonder, is this failed install connected
with something I have done wrong during installation. And ... later could be
more problems with this.
More thanks, Alar.

Joe R. Doupnik jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk Tue Oct 14 10:37:38 BST 2008
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 11:32:28AM +0300, Alar Pandis wrote:
> Hi!
> After adding SLES OES2 into existing tree I noticed that DNS service
install
> failed (only one of them, I add most of services) and then I saw that "DNS
> AG" and "IP AG" and "SSL CertificateDNS" and "SSL CertificateIP" object
> complain about missing "Host Server Attribute".
> Any ideas to proceed? I mean, is there in OES conf and setup menu some
> option to recreate cert's etc? in SLES, I mean.
> More thanks,
> Alar.
--------------
     The certs should be self correcting when eDir starts (part of the
health check system). But if they do not then from iManager (perhaps on
another machine if the local one does not work due to cert problems)
recreate the certificate objects in eDir. Do check the Novell docs on
adding the new certs to the Java keystore (where we used tckeygen on
NetWare).
    As for Novell's DNS server, check with iManager what the DNS server
details are like. The problem likely is there in plain sight.
    There might be more subtle problems at work here regarding certs and
where your CA resides. Thus on the NW servers in the tree, if any, have
a look with SDIDIAG. The Linux machinery lacks PKIDIAG itself, though
the health check is supposed to duplicate its work, but if you need one
grab a standalone copy from the Windows based eDir distribution.
    Joe D.





From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Thu Oct 16 14:24:33 2008
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:24:33 -0400
Subject: OES 2 drive mapping question
In-Reply-To: <20081016085633.GA14375@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <OF95316212.62DF54DF-ON852574E4.00495A94-852574E4.0049A914@lancaster.wnyric.org>

Joe,

I have a question, are you recommending that / not be included in an LVM 
managed volume?  What if /boot and /swap are separate partitions and the 
rest is LVM managed?  Also, how do you feel about LVM managed volumes on 
virtual servers (specifically Xen with VDIs on iSCSI storage)?

I consider myself fairly competent with Linux but i would like to hear the 
lists take on these issues.

Thanks.

T2



"Joe R. Doupnik" <jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> 
Sent by: novell-bounces at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
10/16/2008 04:56 AM
Please respond to
Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>


To
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cc

Subject
Re: OES 2 drive mapping question






On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 03:42:34PM -0400, Matt Smith wrote:
> >>> On 10/15/2008 at 3:19 PM, in message
> 
<OF116A4616.2960EC06-ON852574E3.0069F1F6-852574E3.006A2312 at lancaster.wnyric.org>
>  <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> wrote:
> > I think in the case of RAID you could just create 2 "containers" on
> your 
> > raid, use one for system and one for data volumes, the RAID obscures
> the 
> > actual physical drive for the purposes of segregating the OS and
> data.
> > 
> > I am sure Joe will correct me if I am wrong...now back to the OES2
> SP1 
> > beta.
> > 
> > T2
> 
> This is exactly what I do with my RAID enabled systems.  We're not
> talking physical disks necessarily, just what the OS sees as a disk.
> 
> -Matt
> -- 
> 
> Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
> Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
> Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685
----------

        That is all correct. It is awkward having two or more 
pseudo-drives,
one for the o/s and others for data. Yet we are stuck with the situation
until Linux evolves to include volume managers within the boot apparatus
(including the installation CD/DVD).
                 Story time on this. Years ago I used AT&T System V Unix, 
and I
applied Veritas volume manager to the whole system. Veritas is good stuff.
Alas, one not so fine day a problem occurred and the system would not 
boot.
The boot floppies (no CDs in those days) had no volume manager support and
hence the disks could not be read. The system was almost toast until I
outwitted the problem and barely survived. Never again, I said then. We 
see
the problem is not with Linux alone.
                 A heads up on developments along this line. There is 
thinking that
over time to evolve from using EVMS to LVM2. LVM2 has broader and deeper
support these days. Thus you may wish to organize your disk apparatus to
permit a rebuild. When doing this you may wish to keep in mind shadow 
volumes
and what needs to be restored first.
                 Joe D.
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From Setienne at enesco.com  Thu Oct 16 14:49:18 2008
From: Setienne at enesco.com (Scott Etienne)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:49:18 -0500
Subject: OES2 Linux Remote access problems
In-Reply-To: <48F60F64.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
References: <48F6689B0200004E0003E0EE@com-gwweb.hamk.fi>
	<OF116A4616.2960EC06-ON852574E3.0069F1F6-852574E3.006A2312@lancaster.wnyric.org>
	<48F60F64.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
Message-ID: <48F7000E.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>

Right now, I can't map a drive to root on this server. Novell only gives me the pseudo-SYS volume, and even when I try to login as root, I am not able to map to the root partition. 
 
I also cannot telnet nor ssh to the box, I get "Network error. Connection timed out."
 

 

From mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us  Thu Oct 16 15:00:11 2008
From: mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us (Matt Smith)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:00:11 -0400
Subject: OES2 Linux Remote access problems
In-Reply-To: <48F7000E.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
References: <48F6689B0200004E0003E0EE@com-gwweb.hamk.fi>
	<OF116A4616.2960EC06-ON852574E3.0069F1F6-852574E3.006A2312@lancaster.wnyric.org>
	<48F60F64.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
	<48F7000E.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
Message-ID: <48F710A2.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>

>>> On 10/16/2008 at 9:49 AM, in message
<48F7000E.8A77.004D.0 at enesco.com>, "Scott
Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com> wrote:
> Right now, I can't map a drive to root on this server. Novell only
gives me 
> the pseudo-SYS volume, and even when I try to login as root, I am not
able to 
> map to the root partition. 
>  
> I also cannot telnet nor ssh to the box, I get "Network error.
Connection 
> timed out."

Try turning the firewall off then re-trying everything.  The firewall
exceptions should have been added automatically, but sometimes it just
doesn't work.  I've even had a novell tech recommend that I not use the
firewall.  If everything works after you turn off the firewall, at least
you know where the problem is.

BTW, you didn't install SP2 for SLES 10 on there did you?

-Matt
-- 

Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685

From Setienne at enesco.com  Thu Oct 16 15:02:45 2008
From: Setienne at enesco.com (Scott Etienne)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:02:45 -0500
Subject: OES2 Linux Remote access problems
In-Reply-To: <48F710A2.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
References: <48F6689B0200004E0003E0EE@com-gwweb.hamk.fi>
	<OF116A4616.2960EC06-ON852574E3.0069F1F6-852574E3.006A2312@lancaster.wnyric.org>
	<48F60F64.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
	<48F7000E.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
	<48F710A2.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
Message-ID: <48F70334.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>

10 SP1, and the firewall is already turned off.

>>> "Matt Smith" <mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us> 10/16/2008 9:00 AM >>>
>>> On 10/16/2008 at 9:49 AM, in message
<48F7000E.8A77.004D.0 at enesco.com>, "Scott
Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com> wrote:
> Right now, I can't map a drive to root on this server. Novell only
gives me 
> the pseudo-SYS volume, and even when I try to login as root, I am not
able to 
> map to the root partition. 
>  
> I also cannot telnet nor ssh to the box, I get "Network error.
Connection 
> timed out."

Try turning the firewall off then re-trying everything.  The firewall
exceptions should have been added automatically, but sometimes it just
doesn't work.  I've even had a novell tech recommend that I not use the
firewall.  If everything works after you turn off the firewall, at least
you know where the problem is.

BTW, you didn't install SP2 for SLES 10 on there did you?

-Matt
-- 

Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685
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From Steven.Aitken at nds8.co.uk  Thu Oct 16 15:03:53 2008
From: Steven.Aitken at nds8.co.uk (Steven Aitken)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:03:53 +0100
Subject: OES2 Linux Remote access problems
In-Reply-To: <48F757D902000007000149D3@mail2.nds8.com>
References: <48F757D902000007000149D0@mail2.nds8.com>
	<48F757D902000007000149D3@mail2.nds8.com>
Message-ID: <48F757D902000007000149D3@mail2.nds8.com>

The ssh daemon should be running straight out the box, but the telnet
service will by default be disabled due to the inherent plain text
passwords. Could it be that the firewall is blocking inbound ssh access?
There should have been a small tick box during the install to allow this
traffic.

If you try 

/etc/init.d/SuSEfirewall2_setup stop

This will disable the firewall for testing purposes.

Access to the root filesystem is not enabled by default by either a
samba / cifs share or NCP, and I must confess I have never tried an NCP
export of root - I've always exposed it from samba or used SCP (or
winscp) to manage my own transfers to rootfs.

Cheers,

Steve 
-----Original Message-----
From: "Scott Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com>
To: Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

Sent: 16/10/2008 14:49:18
Subject: OES2 Linux Remote access problems

Right now, I can't map a drive to root on this server. Novell only gives
me the pseudo-SYS volume, and even when I try to login as root, I am not
able to map to the root partition. 
 
I also cannot telnet nor ssh to the box, I get "Network error.
Connection timed out."
 

 
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From Setienne at enesco.com  Thu Oct 16 15:06:50 2008
From: Setienne at enesco.com (Scott Etienne)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:06:50 -0500
Subject: OES2 Linux Remote access problems
In-Reply-To: <48F70334.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
References: <48F6689B0200004E0003E0EE@com-gwweb.hamk.fi>
	<OF116A4616.2960EC06-ON852574E3.0069F1F6-852574E3.006A2312@lancaster.wnyric.org>
	<48F60F64.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
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	<48F70334.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
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Oops! I DID turn off the firewall, but I did not change it to Manual, and so it must have just restarted itself as soon as I closed the yast dialogue box--kinda stupid. I would think if I left it automatic then it wouldn't restart itself until I rebooted the server.
 
That was it!

>>> "Scott Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com> 10/16/2008 9:02 AM >>>
10 SP1, and the firewall is already turned off.

>>> "Matt Smith" <mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us> 10/16/2008 9:00 AM >>>
>>> On 10/16/2008 at 9:49 AM, in message
<48F7000E.8A77.004D.0 at enesco.com>, "Scott
Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com> wrote:
> Right now, I can't map a drive to root on this server. Novell only
gives me 
> the pseudo-SYS volume, and even when I try to login as root, I am not
able to 
> map to the root partition. 
>  
> I also cannot telnet nor ssh to the box, I get "Network error.
Connection 
> timed out."

Try turning the firewall off then re-trying everything.  The firewall
exceptions should have been added automatically, but sometimes it just
doesn't work.  I've even had a novell tech recommend that I not use the
firewall.  If everything works after you turn off the firewall, at least
you know where the problem is.

BTW, you didn't install SP2 for SLES 10 on there did you?

-Matt
-- 

Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685
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From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk  Thu Oct 16 15:52:27 2008
From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe R. Doupnik)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:52:27 +0100
Subject: OES 2 drive mapping question
In-Reply-To: <OF95316212.62DF54DF-ON852574E4.00495A94-852574E4.0049A914@lancaster.wnyric.org>
References: <20081016085633.GA14375@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<OF95316212.62DF54DF-ON852574E4.00495A94-852574E4.0049A914@lancaster.wnyric.org>
Message-ID: <20081016145227.GA19368@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 09:24:33AM -0400, TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org wrote:
> Joe,
> 
> I have a question, are you recommending that / not be included in an LVM 
> managed volume?  What if /boot and /swap are separate partitions and the 
> rest is LVM managed?  Also, how do you feel about LVM managed volumes on 
> virtual servers (specifically Xen with VDIs on iSCSI storage)?
> 
> I consider myself fairly competent with Linux but i would like to hear the 
> lists take on these issues.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> T2
------------
       The fundamental problem is a boot CD is unlikely to have volume
manager material. Thus any disk areas under control of a volume manager
will not be available in an emergency boot-CD situation. Swap is a frill,
the system can boot without it. 
       An observational lesson is don't span hardware if you can avoid it.
An LVM is a method of spanning hardware. Risks grow with the number of
components which can fail and a failure usually results in unavailability
of all components because they must all be present for any to function.
Weak links in a vital chain, and all that jazz.
       Those are factual items. Your next question asks about virtual machines.
       My own answer is "avoid complexity when it is not really necessary."
Should your disk farm be large enough to support many subdivisions then I would
assign different subdivs to different machines or treat each as a different
file system, not subdivide and then immediately aggregate them again with a
volume manager (a process which makes no sense).
       Longer term a volume manager is very handy indeed when we need to
grow a particular file system. That produces the weakest link problem.
Thus I strongly recommend keeping the operating system away from volume
managers. After all, it is the tool neccessary to fix managed volumes,
and if it itself is broken then it can't fix itself. Data volumes are
not fix-it tools, and one stands a better chance of repairing problems.
Yet, we must also weigh the risks of not being able to recover through
too much complexity in the way.
       I seem to be in platitude mode today, sorry.
       Joe D.

From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Thu Oct 16 16:02:52 2008
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:02:52 -0400
Subject: OES 2 drive mapping question
In-Reply-To: <20081016145227.GA19368@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <OFC2F859C2.1282441F-ON852574E4.0051FD07-852574E4.0052A9A1@lancaster.wnyric.org>

Thanks Joe, my major reason for considering using LVM on the virtual 
servers was to allow partition resizing for /, /var, /usr partitions just 
in case, I know that in the past resizing ext3 file system online has not 
been supported on SLES but i have heard that with SP2 ext3 online resizing 
is supported, any advice on online resizing of / ext3 partitions?

Point taken on keeping it simple and thanks again for the information.

T2



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On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 09:24:33AM -0400, TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org 
wrote:
> Joe,
> 
> I have a question, are you recommending that / not be included in an LVM 

> managed volume?  What if /boot and /swap are separate partitions and the 

> rest is LVM managed?  Also, how do you feel about LVM managed volumes on 

> virtual servers (specifically Xen with VDIs on iSCSI storage)?
> 
> I consider myself fairly competent with Linux but i would like to hear 
the 
> lists take on these issues.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> T2
------------
       The fundamental problem is a boot CD is unlikely to have volume
manager material. Thus any disk areas under control of a volume manager
will not be available in an emergency boot-CD situation. Swap is a frill,
the system can boot without it. 
       An observational lesson is don't span hardware if you can avoid it.
An LVM is a method of spanning hardware. Risks grow with the number of
components which can fail and a failure usually results in unavailability
of all components because they must all be present for any to function.
Weak links in a vital chain, and all that jazz.
       Those are factual items. Your next question asks about virtual 
machines.
       My own answer is "avoid complexity when it is not really 
necessary."
Should your disk farm be large enough to support many subdivisions then I 
would
assign different subdivs to different machines or treat each as a 
different
file system, not subdivide and then immediately aggregate them again with 
a
volume manager (a process which makes no sense).
       Longer term a volume manager is very handy indeed when we need to
grow a particular file system. That produces the weakest link problem.
Thus I strongly recommend keeping the operating system away from volume
managers. After all, it is the tool neccessary to fix managed volumes,
and if it itself is broken then it can't fix itself. Data volumes are
not fix-it tools, and one stands a better chance of repairing problems.
Yet, we must also weigh the risks of not being able to recover through
too much complexity in the way.
       I seem to be in platitude mode today, sorry.
       Joe D.
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From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk  Thu Oct 16 17:04:52 2008
From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe R. Doupnik)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:04:52 +0100
Subject: OES 2 drive mapping question
In-Reply-To: <OFC2F859C2.1282441F-ON852574E4.0051FD07-852574E4.0052A9A1@lancaster.wnyric.org>
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	<OFC2F859C2.1282441F-ON852574E4.0051FD07-852574E4.0052A9A1@lancaster.wnyric.org>
Message-ID: <20081016160452.GA21855@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 11:02:52AM -0400, TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org wrote:
> Thanks Joe, my major reason for considering using LVM on the virtual 
> servers was to allow partition resizing for /, /var, /usr partitions just 
> in case, I know that in the past resizing ext3 file system online has not 
> been supported on SLES but i have heard that with SP2 ext3 online resizing 
> is supported, any advice on online resizing of / ext3 partitions?
> 
> Point taken on keeping it simple and thanks again for the information.
> 
> T2
-------------
       To be honest, I haven't tried resizing. To be equally candid, I
would be reluctant to find out on a real system because it might make a
mess instead. My way of adding space when I really need it is mount
another partition, and I do that in production mode. It has the draw
back of being two or more file systems to be backed up, unless one is
content to rely upon tar or similar. It has the advantage of surviving
the loss of one or more components and of not tinkering with any to make
a mounted union.
       When installing a system I try to pre-judge the amount of space
for the operating system, be generous but not outrageous, and I use
minimal partitioning (/boot, swap, /, then user owned extras). All user
owned material is stored outside of the o/s. This permits me to replace
an entire operating system (including a reformat of its partitions) and
keep going. In fact, during beta testing I do this nearly every day, the
bulkly & persistent files are retained on other file systems mounted onto
convenient spots (/home/extra, /usr/local et cetera).
      I don't know why I insist upon doing things the simple way, must be
a personality defect.
      Joe D.

From MGlenn at cco.state.oh.us  Thu Oct 16 17:15:58 2008
From: MGlenn at cco.state.oh.us (Michael Glenn)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:15:58 -0400
Subject: ZCM imaging from USB drive
Message-ID: <s8f730ab.035@cco.state.oh.us>

What's the USB drive's file system? 
If it's VFAT (typical shipping format), the largest file size allowed is 4 GB. If this is the problem, try formatting the USB drive using EXT2.


>>> janthenat at waubonsee.edu 10/15/2008 10:31 >>>
I'm attempting to restore a zen image from a USB drive, while booted
from a ZCM CD.  I have 4 images to be restored, one main Vista image and
3 supplemental images with drivers, updates and such.  The Zenworks
Imaging Engine gui app recognizes all the images except the Vista image.
 The same Vista image file restores just fine from the network, using a
script that restores all 4 images in succession, but not from the USB
drive.  The Vista image is just over 5GB.  The file is visible in Zen
Imaging but I get the error message "This is not a ZENworks image file"
when I select it during a restore.

Any ideas what might be going on here?  Is it a file size problem?  The
ZENworks Imaging Engine is version 10.0.1.0.

Alternatively, anyone know how to get the ZCM boot disk to enable my
Marvel Yukon 88e8058 PCIe network adapter so I can just restore from the
network?

Thanks


Joe Anthenat ><> PC Technical Specialist
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From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Thu Oct 16 17:25:18 2008
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:25:18 -0400
Subject: OES 2 drive mapping question
In-Reply-To: <20081016160452.GA21855@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <OF541F0C89.01082ADB-ON852574E4.0059DC03-852574E4.005A3587@lancaster.wnyric.org>

Once again Joe, thanks for the information.  I have never run out of space 
on a / partition or /var for that matter so I guess maybe I am being a 
little overly concerned about the resizing options.  I will have to do a 
little more experimenting to get my partitioning scheme for SLES/OES2

Thanks, again.

T2



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On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 11:02:52AM -0400, TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org 
wrote:
> Thanks Joe, my major reason for considering using LVM on the virtual 
> servers was to allow partition resizing for /, /var, /usr partitions 
just 
> in case, I know that in the past resizing ext3 file system online has 
not 
> been supported on SLES but i have heard that with SP2 ext3 online 
resizing 
> is supported, any advice on online resizing of / ext3 partitions?
> 
> Point taken on keeping it simple and thanks again for the information.
> 
> T2
-------------
       To be honest, I haven't tried resizing. To be equally candid, I
would be reluctant to find out on a real system because it might make a
mess instead. My way of adding space when I really need it is mount
another partition, and I do that in production mode. It has the draw
back of being two or more file systems to be backed up, unless one is
content to rely upon tar or similar. It has the advantage of surviving
the loss of one or more components and of not tinkering with any to make
a mounted union.
       When installing a system I try to pre-judge the amount of space
for the operating system, be generous but not outrageous, and I use
minimal partitioning (/boot, swap, /, then user owned extras). All user
owned material is stored outside of the o/s. This permits me to replace
an entire operating system (including a reformat of its partitions) and
keep going. In fact, during beta testing I do this nearly every day, the
bulkly & persistent files are retained on other file systems mounted onto
convenient spots (/home/extra, /usr/local et cetera).
      I don't know why I insist upon doing things the simple way, must be
a personality defect.
      Joe D.
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From janthenat at waubonsee.edu  Thu Oct 16 18:31:27 2008
From: janthenat at waubonsee.edu (Joseph Anthenat)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:31:27 -0500
Subject: ZCM imaging from USB drive
In-Reply-To: <s8f730ab.035@cco.state.oh.us>
References: <s8f730ab.035@cco.state.oh.us>
Message-ID: <48F7341F.E9CB.0080.0@waubonsee.edu>

Yea, I avoided VFAT because of the file size limit...

I've tried NTFS and EXT2.  Both return the same error when selecting
the image, "This is not a ZENworks image file."

By the way, this is an 8GB USB Flash drive, not a disk... if that makes
any difference.


Joe Anthenat ><> PC Technical Specialist
Waubonsee Community College - www.waubonsee.edu
630.466.7900 x2741 - janthenat at waubonsee.edu


>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 11:15 AM, in message
<s8f730ab.035 at cco.state.oh.us>,
"Michael Glenn" <MGlenn at cco.state.oh.us> wrote: 
> What's the USB drive's file system? 
> If it's VFAT (typical shipping format), the largest file size allowed
is 4 
> GB. If this is the problem, try formatting the USB drive using EXT2.
>

From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk  Thu Oct 16 20:21:42 2008
From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe R. Doupnik)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:21:42 +0100
Subject: OES 2 drive mapping question
In-Reply-To: <OF541F0C89.01082ADB-ON852574E4.0059DC03-852574E4.005A3587@lancaster.wnyric.org>
References: <20081016160452.GA21855@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<OF541F0C89.01082ADB-ON852574E4.0059DC03-852574E4.005A3587@lancaster.wnyric.org>
Message-ID: <20081016192142.GA1872@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 12:25:18PM -0400, TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org wrote:
> Once again Joe, thanks for the information.  I have never run out of space 
> on a / partition or /var for that matter so I guess maybe I am being a 
> little overly concerned about the resizing options.  I will have to do a 
> little more experimenting to get my partitioning scheme for SLES/OES2
> 
> Thanks, again.
> 
> T2
-------------
	The common example speakers give about running out of space is
log files. In real life these days log files are rolled and compressed
and eventually deleted. 
	In /var/log on this machine just now 26.6MB is in use, and there
is a LOT of incoming web traffic (web crawlers, real customers, loads of
bad guys trying silly things but getting nowhere). The listservers handled
on the machine with full archives stretching back many years have consumed
3.2GB. Plus much stuff you don't see. iFolder storage need not be within
the o/s, home directories ought not be there either, Netstorage areas will
be on NSS volumes in most cases, Quickfinder search indices can be anywhere
(mine are quite large).
	I have managed to consume 10GB on / by leaving list traffic there
and a number of other bulky things. That's it, with me being sloppy about it.
/ includes the entire operating system and kernel sources (add a small /boot
and a small swap as extras), SLES10 and OES2 and patches and apps.
	One needs to be careful about believing a lot of "common wisdom."
The Unix world has more than enough of that.
	Another measurement. One day I made a silly typo in an rsync script
and overnight ended up trying to move 80GB to /, until the file system filled.
I discovered that the next morning, no harm done, the machine was still
chugging along while incoming mail was held back. I zapped unwanted material,
things continued normally, I did not reboot. Perhaps I was just lucky, or
SLES was better than we imagined, or both.
	On this box there is 12MB in /boot, a huge 512MB swap which just goes
to waste, and 10GB of 25GB in /. Plus other disk drives for NSS and user data.
	I realize that you probably know all about this, but folks new to
Linux may not, hence my long reply.
	Have a good time with the OES2 SP1 beta if you are poking it, and/or
with investigating the current OES2.
	Joe D.



From Setienne at enesco.com  Thu Oct 16 20:30:45 2008
From: Setienne at enesco.com (Scott Etienne)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:30:45 -0500
Subject: OES2 DNS Install Problems & IDM question
In-Reply-To: <OFC2F859C2.1282441F-ON852574E4.0051FD07-852574E4.0052A9A1@lancaster.wnyric.org>
References: <20081016145227.GA19368@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<OFC2F859C2.1282441F-ON852574E4.0051FD07-852574E4.0052A9A1@lancaster.wnyric.org>
Message-ID: <48F75014.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>

After installing our first OES2 serve into the tree, I tried to set the server up for DNS and it let me do everything, except when I went to test it, DNS wasn't running on the server, and does not show up under Open Enterprise Server in Yast. Deeper digging into the install screen, shows DNS is installed, but does not appear nor function properly.
 
I found a TID (3884721) that tells you that you have to go to the RootServerInfo object and re-assign rights of DNSDHCP-Group and then reinstall the server. After I remove edirectory from the server, _do I have to rebuild the whole SLES server, or can I just remove OES components and reinstall OES?_
 
IDM: Also, stripped-down version of IDM (IDM-lite?) is supposed to be free or included with OES2, but I didn't see it in the OES2 install. Can someone fill me in on the details of the installation here? Is this another thing I have to include as a software package during the server build?
 
 
Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 

 

From Steven.Aitken at nds8.co.uk  Thu Oct 16 21:02:09 2008
From: Steven.Aitken at nds8.co.uk (Steven Aitken)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:02:09 +0100
Subject: OES2 DNS Install Problems & IDM question
In-Reply-To: <48F7ABD102000007000149E0@mail2.nds8.com>
References: <48F7ABD102000007000149DD@mail2.nds8.com>
	<48F7ABD102000007000149E0@mail2.nds8.com>
Message-ID: <48F7ABD102000007000149E0@mail2.nds8.com>

The IDM installation is a separate product from OES and is installed
outside of  the usual yast environment. You'll need to get the
installation files from the novell download site, but make sure you get
the idm bundle edition as it is licenced differently from the main
product.

The IDM installation performs a pretty comprehensive pre-requisite check
before it will install, but as a bare minimum, you'll also need to
install the latest security services patch, also from novells download
site.

My OES2 is a bit rusty so I'll leave your dns question alone if I may...

Cheers,

Steve 
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To: Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

Sent: 16/10/2008 20:30:45
Subject: OES2 DNS Install Problems & IDM question

After installing our first OES2 serve into the tree, I tried to set the
server up for DNS and it let me do everything, except when I went to
test it, DNS wasn't running on the server, and does not show up under
Open Enterprise Server in Yast. Deeper digging into the install screen,
shows DNS is installed, but does not appear nor function properly.
 
I found a TID (3884721) that tells you that you have to go to the
RootServerInfo object and re-assign rights of DNSDHCP-Group and then
reinstall the server. After I remove edirectory from the server, _do I
have to rebuild the whole SLES server, or can I just remove OES
components and reinstall OES?_
 
IDM: Also, stripped-down version of IDM (IDM-lite?) is supposed to be
free or included with OES2, but I didn't see it in the OES2 install. Can
someone fill me in on the details of the installation here? Is this
another thing I have to include as a software package during the server
build?
 
 
Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 

 
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From toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee  Thu Oct 16 21:20:15 2008
From: toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee (Toomas Aas)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:20:15 +0300
Subject: ZDM7 "finalizing settings" takes a long time
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ZDM7 SP1 IR3a

You know when, during workstation imaging, the newly imaged
workstation first comes up and the Zenworks Agent says that it is
finalizing the settings, please don't touch anything, this will take a
couple of minutes.

Well, for us it doesn't take 'a couple of minutes'. I just timed one
machine with a wall clock and it took 45 minutes. This has always been
a probem, ever since we first started using ZDM7 imaging in 2006. All
the different computer configurations that we've had during this time
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wonder if this is 'normal' or are we doing something terribly wrong?

-- 
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From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Thu Oct 16 21:37:08 2008
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:37:08 -0400
Subject: OES 2 drive mapping question
In-Reply-To: <20081016192142.GA1872@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <OFFABCB879.C6CFC27C-ON852574E4.006C63BE-852574E4.007143AC@lancaster.wnyric.org>

Again Joe always good info.  I think one of the most daunting planning 
parts of a Linux install for newbies and even veterans of Linux installs 
is thinking about partitioning schemes.  I guess it is really trial and 
error during testing to get a partitioning scheme that works right for 
you.  The placing of different OS files in different directories in 
different distros has also had an effect on a unified Linux filesystem 
hierarchy.

I absolutely agree on the separation of OS and data to the greatest extent 
possible.

Thanks again.





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On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 12:25:18PM -0400, TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org 
wrote:
> Once again Joe, thanks for the information.  I have never run out of 
space 
> on a / partition or /var for that matter so I guess maybe I am being a 
> little overly concerned about the resizing options.  I will have to do a 

> little more experimenting to get my partitioning scheme for SLES/OES2
> 
> Thanks, again.
> 
> T2
-------------
                 The common example speakers give about running out of 
space is
log files. In real life these days log files are rolled and compressed
and eventually deleted. 
                 In /var/log on this machine just now 26.6MB is in use, 
and there
is a LOT of incoming web traffic (web crawlers, real customers, loads of
bad guys trying silly things but getting nowhere). The listservers handled
on the machine with full archives stretching back many years have consumed
3.2GB. Plus much stuff you don't see. iFolder storage need not be within
the o/s, home directories ought not be there either, Netstorage areas will
be on NSS volumes in most cases, Quickfinder search indices can be 
anywhere
(mine are quite large).
                 I have managed to consume 10GB on / by leaving list 
traffic there
and a number of other bulky things. That's it, with me being sloppy about 
it.
/ includes the entire operating system and kernel sources (add a small 
/boot
and a small swap as extras), SLES10 and OES2 and patches and apps.
                 One needs to be careful about believing a lot of "common 
wisdom."
The Unix world has more than enough of that.
                 Another measurement. One day I made a silly typo in an 
rsync script
and overnight ended up trying to move 80GB to /, until the file system 
filled.
I discovered that the next morning, no harm done, the machine was still
chugging along while incoming mail was held back. I zapped unwanted 
material,
things continued normally, I did not reboot. Perhaps I was just lucky, or
SLES was better than we imagined, or both.
                 On this box there is 12MB in /boot, a huge 512MB swap 
which just goes
to waste, and 10GB of 25GB in /. Plus other disk drives for NSS and user 
data.
                 I realize that you probably know all about this, but 
folks new to
Linux may not, hence my long reply.
                 Have a good time with the OES2 SP1 beta if you are poking 
it, and/or
with investigating the current OES2.
                 Joe D.


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From MGlenn at cco.state.oh.us  Thu Oct 16 22:14:59 2008
From: MGlenn at cco.state.oh.us (Michael Glenn)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:14:59 -0400
Subject: ZCM imaging from USB drive
Message-ID: <s8f776ac.090@cco.state.oh.us>

Well, y'got me there; other than having to reformat to EXT2, USB sticks have worked great for me.
Sorry I couldn't help.
:(

>>> janthenat at waubonsee.edu 10/16/2008 13:31:27 >>>
Yea, I avoided VFAT because of the file size limit...

I've tried NTFS and EXT2.  Both return the same error when selecting
the image, "This is not a ZENworks image file."

By the way, this is an 8GB USB Flash drive, not a disk... if that makes
any difference.


Joe Anthenat ><> PC Technical Specialist
Waubonsee Community College - www.waubonsee.edu 
630.466.7900 x2741 - janthenat at waubonsee.edu 


>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 11:15 AM, in message
<s8f730ab.035 at cco.state.oh.us>,
"Michael Glenn" <MGlenn at cco.state.oh.us> wrote: 
> What's the USB drive's file system? 
> If it's VFAT (typical shipping format), the largest file size allowed
is 4 
> GB. If this is the problem, try formatting the USB drive using EXT2.
>
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From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Fri Oct 17 16:54:46 2008
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:54:46 -0400
Subject: NetStorage & Novell Domain Services Conflict on OES2 SP1 beta
In-Reply-To: <s8f776ac.090@cco.state.oh.us>
Message-ID: <OF0358CFB1.A8BADD4F-ON852574E5.0056BACB-852574E5.005769A2@lancaster.wnyric.org>

I have installed the OES2 SP1 beta on 2 of my SLES 10 SP2 test boxes and I 
am having a problem when trying to install the NetStorage and Domain 
Services pattern on the same box.

I get a conflict resolution box that pops up requiring the removal of 
Domain Services in order to install NetStorage and conversely if 
NetStorage is installed and i try to install Domain Services it requires 
NetStorage to be removed.  in either case if I remove the other pattern 
then the pattern I have selected installs without a problem.

The OES2 SP1 beta is the 64 bit flavor installed on a SLES 10 SP1 64 bit 
virtual box that was upgraded to SP2 before installing the beta.

I am not sure if this is by design or not and I haven't really looked 
intensely at the docs.  i have sent some feedback to Novell from the beta 
site so we will see where it goes.  just wondering if anyone else has seen 
this in the beta or can reproduce the problem.

Thanks.

T2

From tim at nds8.co.uk  Fri Oct 17 17:07:51 2008
From: tim at nds8.co.uk (Tim Heywood)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:07:51 +0100
Subject: NetStorage & Novell Domain Services Conflict on OES2 SP1
	 beta
In-Reply-To: <OF0358CFB1.A8BADD4F-ON852574E5.0056BACB-852574E5.005769A2@lancaster.wnyric.org>
References: <s8f776ac.090@cco.state.oh.us>
	<OF0358CFB1.A8BADD4F-ON852574E5.0056BACB-852574E5.005769A2@lancaster.wnyric.org>
Message-ID: <48F8C667020000BB00038582@mail2.nds8.com>

It is by design - please read the documentation of DSFW - there are a
whole load of caveats.

T

>>> On 17 October, 2008 at 16:54, <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org>
wrote: 
> I have installed the OES2 SP1 beta on 2 of my SLES 10 SP2 test boxes
and I 
> am having a problem when trying to install the NetStorage and Domain

> Services pattern on the same box.
> 
> I get a conflict resolution box that pops up requiring the removal of

> Domain Services in order to install NetStorage and conversely if 
> NetStorage is installed and i try to install Domain Services it
requires 
> NetStorage to be removed.  in either case if I remove the other
pattern 
> then the pattern I have selected installs without a problem.
> 
> The OES2 SP1 beta is the 64 bit flavor installed on a SLES 10 SP1 64
bit 
> virtual box that was upgraded to SP2 before installing the beta.
> 
> I am not sure if this is by design or not and I haven't really looked

> intensely at the docs.  i have sent some feedback to Novell from the
beta 
> site so we will see where it goes.  just wondering if anyone else has
seen 
> this in the beta or can reproduce the problem.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> T2
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From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:09:18 -0400
Subject: NetStorage & Novell Domain Services Conflict on OES2 SP1	 beta
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Thanks Tim, as I was writing I had the feeling this may be a foot in mouth 
moment, next time feel free to fire off a brief RTFM!

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It is by design - please read the documentation of DSFW - there are a
whole load of caveats.

T

>>> On 17 October, 2008 at 16:54, <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org>
wrote: 
> I have installed the OES2 SP1 beta on 2 of my SLES 10 SP2 test boxes
and I 
> am having a problem when trying to install the NetStorage and Domain

> Services pattern on the same box.
> 
> I get a conflict resolution box that pops up requiring the removal of

> Domain Services in order to install NetStorage and conversely if 
> NetStorage is installed and i try to install Domain Services it
requires 
> NetStorage to be removed.  in either case if I remove the other
pattern 
> then the pattern I have selected installs without a problem.
> 
> The OES2 SP1 beta is the 64 bit flavor installed on a SLES 10 SP1 64
bit 
> virtual box that was upgraded to SP2 before installing the beta.
> 
> I am not sure if this is by design or not and I haven't really looked

> intensely at the docs.  i have sent some feedback to Novell from the
beta 
> site so we will see where it goes.  just wondering if anyone else has
seen 
> this in the beta or can reproduce the problem.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> T2
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From joea at j4computers.com  Fri Oct 17 18:02:49 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:02:49 -0400
Subject: OES1, nbackup restore, smdrd crash
Message-ID: <48F88CFB020000850005EB88@FS-LIN-OES>

OES1 linux, patched.  Groupwise 7.0.3 hp.

doing a restore of an sidf file (/opt/novell/sms/bin/nbackup -xvf filename -r "original path restore path" _U root), will sometimes work, but mostly fail.  

Always the same problem of "nbackup: (SMDR:6.55.0) an internal error has occurred. Could not write an object to NDS or write to a stream."   At this point smdrd is dead.  Needs to be reloaded.

Not much found on this.

After much wailing and gnashing of teeth, pounding of forehead, (and figuratively pounding other things), found a TID describing smdr using too much memory.  Applied the command lines described, and, wonder of wonders, the restore ran perfectly.  Did several restores to be sure.

Applied the "permanent" fix (change to cache memory setting in tsafs.conf) and did rcnovell-smdrd restart.

Restore failed.  Sigh.  Did the smdrd restart thing and the commands "/opt/novell/sms/bin/smsconfig -u tsafs" and /opt/novell/sms/bin/smsconfig -l tsafs" (unloads and loads tsafs, apparently).

Restore worked perfectly.  Have confirmed this behavior several times.  Doing an /etc/init.d/novell-smdr restart causes restore to fail, doing the tsafs two step causes it to work.

What gives here?  Sugggestions for a permanent fix?

joe a.

From joea at j4computers.com  Fri Oct 17 18:25:36 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:25:36 -0400
Subject: OES1, nbackup restore, smdrd crash
Message-ID: <48F89252020000850005EB8C@FS-LIN-OES>

Pardon the top post, webmail.

typo "_U" should read "-U"

joe a.

>>>
>>> "joea at j4computers.com" <joea at j4computers.com> 10/17/08 1:05 PM >>>
OES1 linux, patched.  Groupwise 7.0.3 hp.

doing a restore of an sidf file (/opt/novell/sms/bin/nbackup -xvf filename -r "original path restore path" _U root), will sometimes work, but mostly fail.  

Always the same problem of "nbackup: (SMDR:6.55.0) an internal error has occurred. Could not write an object to NDS or write to a stream."   At this point smdrd is dead.  Needs to be reloaded.

Not much found on this.

After much wailing and gnashing of teeth, pounding of forehead, (and figuratively pounding other things), found a TID describing smdr using too much memory.  Applied the command lines described, and, wonder of wonders, the restore ran perfectly.  Did several restores to be sure.

Applied the "permanent" fix (change to cache memory setting in tsafs.conf) and did rcnovell-smdrd restart.

Restore failed.  Sigh.  Did the smdrd restart thing and the commands "/opt/novell/sms/bin/smsconfig -u tsafs" and /opt/novell/sms/bin/smsconfig -l tsafs" (unloads and loads tsafs, apparently).

Restore worked perfectly.  Have confirmed this behavior several times.  Doing an /etc/init.d/novell-smdr restart causes restore to fail, doing the tsafs two step causes it to work.

What gives here?  Sugggestions for a permanent fix?

joe a.
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From Setienne at enesco.com  Fri Oct 17 18:51:14 2008
From: Setienne at enesco.com (Scott Etienne)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:51:14 -0500
Subject: OES2 Install: unable to bind to edir through LDAP
In-Reply-To: <OFC2F859C2.1282441F-ON852574E4.0051FD07-852574E4.0052A9A1@lancaster.wnyric.org>
References: <20081016145227.GA19368@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<OFC2F859C2.1282441F-ON852574E4.0051FD07-852574E4.0052A9A1@lancaster.wnyric.org>
Message-ID: <48F88A42.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>

After discovering that DHCP and DNS were not configured properly after the first successful server install, I pulled the server out of the tree and rebuilt it. I used the command ndsconfig rm -a <admin user>, and then combed the tree removing related stray objects. I then re-ran the install with the correct DNS DHCP parameters, and when it came time to insert the server into the tree, I get Unable to bind edirectory throuh LDAP, and then ndsconfig failed to configure and start edirectory.
 
The server I am using ad the LDAP server is our primary LDAP server and master of all replicas. The server communication is fine, because I was able to run the online registration and patch updates before getting to this part.
 
I am getting ready to trash this installation, clean up the directory and then run dsrepairs everywhere and try it again.
 
Suggestions?
 
Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 

 

From Setienne at enesco.com  Fri Oct 17 18:54:36 2008
From: Setienne at enesco.com (Scott Etienne)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:54:36 -0500
Subject: OES2 Install: unable to bind to edir through LDAP
In-Reply-To: <48F88A42.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
References: <20081016145227.GA19368@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<OFC2F859C2.1282441F-ON852574E4.0051FD07-852574E4.0052A9A1@lancaster.wnyric.org>
	<48F88A42.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
Message-ID: <48F88B0B.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>

The master server is NW6.5.7, eDir 8.8.3, with NLDAP 8.8.4.

>>> "Scott Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com> 10/17/2008 12:51 PM >>>
After discovering that DHCP and DNS were not configured properly after the first successful server install, I pulled the server out of the tree and rebuilt it. I used the command ndsconfig rm -a <admin user>, and then combed the tree removing related stray objects. I then re-ran the install with the correct DNS DHCP parameters, and when it came time to insert the server into the tree, I get Unable to bind edirectory throuh LDAP, and then ndsconfig failed to configure and start edirectory.

The server I am using ad the LDAP server is our primary LDAP server and master of all replicas. The server communication is fine, because I was able to run the online registration and patch updates before getting to this part.

I am getting ready to trash this installation, clean up the directory and then run dsrepairs everywhere and try it again.

Suggestions?

Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 


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From geoffreycarman at gmail.com  Fri Oct 17 18:59:07 2008
From: geoffreycarman at gmail.com (Geoffrey Carman)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:59:07 -0400
Subject: OES2 Install: unable to bind to edir through LDAP
In-Reply-To: <48F88A42.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
References: <20081016145227.GA19368@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<OFC2F859C2.1282441F-ON852574E4.0051FD07-852574E4.0052A9A1@lancaster.wnyric.org>
	<48F88A42.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
Message-ID: <993788ac0810171059q3e042565rb7044f88c50c16d2@mail.gmail.com>

Do you have more than one instance of eDir on this linux box?
Possible you have Open LDAP listening on this box?  More than one IP?

netstat -a | less and look for stuff on ldap/ldaps (or netstat -an |
less and stuff on 389/636)

eDir 8.8 before SP2, there is an ldapInterfaces attribute on the
server object that specifies which IP to listen too.  Default is all.
To specify, format was just 10.1.1.1 in the past.  SP2 and on, it is a
full ldap URL format... ldap://10.1.1.1:389/ and a second value
ldaps://10.1.1.1:636/

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Scott Etienne <Setienne at enesco.com> wrote:
> After discovering that DHCP and DNS were not configured properly after the first successful server install, I pulled the server out of the tree and rebuilt it. I used the command ndsconfig rm -a <admin user>, and then combed the tree removing related stray objects. I then re-ran the install with the correct DNS DHCP parameters, and when it came time to insert the server into the tree, I get Unable to bind edirectory throuh LDAP, and then ndsconfig failed to configure and start edirectory.
>
> The server I am using ad the LDAP server is our primary LDAP server and master of all replicas. The server communication is fine, because I was able to run the online registration and patch updates before getting to this part.
>
> I am getting ready to trash this installation, clean up the directory and then run dsrepairs everywhere and try it again.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Scott Etienne
> Network Engineer
> Enesco, LLC
> setienne at enesco.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
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>



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From Setienne at enesco.com  Fri Oct 17 19:09:48 2008
From: Setienne at enesco.com (Scott Etienne)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:09:48 -0500
Subject: OES2 Install: unable to bind to edir through LDAP
In-Reply-To: <993788ac0810171059q3e042565rb7044f88c50c16d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081016145227.GA19368@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<OFC2F859C2.1282441F-ON852574E4.0051FD07-852574E4.0052A9A1@lancaster.wnyric.org>
	<48F88A42.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
	<993788ac0810171059q3e042565rb7044f88c50c16d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48F88E9B.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>

The linux box is a fresh install--so eDir is not even on it yet. I get the message during the preliminary attempt to install eDir. There is one IP, but I am not sure about Open LDAP. I remember seeing a screen or message related to Open LDAP early on--but it didn't seem pertinent at the time.
 
Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 

 


>>> "Geoffrey Carman" <geoffreycarman at gmail.com> 10/17/2008 12:59 PM >>>
Do you have more than one instance of eDir on this linux box?
Possible you have Open LDAP listening on this box?  More than one IP?

netstat -a | less and look for stuff on ldap/ldaps (or netstat -an |
less and stuff on 389/636)

eDir 8.8 before SP2, there is an ldapInterfaces attribute on the
server object that specifies which IP to listen too.  Default is all.
To specify, format was just 10.1.1.1 in the past.  SP2 and on, it is a
full ldap URL format... ldap://10.1.1.1:389/ and a second value
ldaps://10.1.1.1:636/

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Scott Etienne <Setienne at enesco.com> wrote:
> After discovering that DHCP and DNS were not configured properly after the first successful server install, I pulled the server out of the tree and rebuilt it. I used the command ndsconfig rm -a <admin user>, and then combed the tree removing related stray objects. I then re-ran the install with the correct DNS DHCP parameters, and when it came time to insert the server into the tree, I get Unable to bind edirectory throuh LDAP, and then ndsconfig failed to configure and start edirectory.
>
> The server I am using ad the LDAP server is our primary LDAP server and master of all replicas. The server communication is fine, because I was able to run the online registration and patch updates before getting to this part.
>
> I am getting ready to trash this installation, clean up the directory and then run dsrepairs everywhere and try it again.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Scott Etienne
> Network Engineer
> Enesco, LLC
> setienne at enesco.com 
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk 
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell 
>



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From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk  Fri Oct 17 19:12:30 2008
From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe R. Doupnik)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:12:30 +0100
Subject: OES1, nbackup restore, smdrd crash
In-Reply-To: <48F88CFB020000850005EB88@FS-LIN-OES>
References: <48F88CFB020000850005EB88@FS-LIN-OES>
Message-ID: <20081017181230.GA2067@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 01:02:49PM -0400, joea at j4computers.com wrote:
> OES1 linux, patched.  Groupwise 7.0.3 hp.
> 
> doing a restore of an sidf file (/opt/novell/sms/bin/nbackup -xvf filename -r "original path restore path" _U root), will sometimes work, but mostly fail.  
> 
> Always the same problem of "nbackup: (SMDR:6.55.0) an internal error has occurred. Could not write an object to NDS or write to a stream."   At this point smdrd is dead.  Needs to be reloaded.
> 
> Not much found on this.
> 
> After much wailing and gnashing of teeth, pounding of forehead, (and figuratively pounding other things), found a TID describing smdr using too much memory.  Applied the command lines described, and, wonder of wonders, the restore ran perfectly.  Did several restores to be sure.
> 
> Applied the "permanent" fix (change to cache memory setting in tsafs.conf) and did rcnovell-smdrd restart.
> 
> Restore failed.  Sigh.  Did the smdrd restart thing and the commands "/opt/novell/sms/bin/smsconfig -u tsafs" and /opt/novell/sms/bin/smsconfig -l tsafs" (unloads and loads tsafs, apparently).
> 
> Restore worked perfectly.  Have confirmed this behavior several times.  Doing an /etc/init.d/novell-smdr restart causes restore to fail, doing the tsafs two step causes it to work.
> 
> What gives here?  Sugggestions for a permanent fix?
> 
> joe a.
-----------
     What we have here is a failure to compute, as one might say. The design of smdr/tsafs have, for a long
time, had serious problems about memory consumption, particularly when large files are encountered. The usual
way round is to tell tsafs that its cache memory allowance is none to a few percent (as you wish).
    I suggest you write a report on this and submit it to Novell asap. Please try to see if large files
are involved when things go pear shaped, and keep an eye on memory consumption via say  top.
    Thanks,
    Joe D.

From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk  Fri Oct 17 19:26:15 2008
From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe R. Doupnik)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:26:15 +0100
Subject: OES2 Install: unable to bind to edir through LDAP
In-Reply-To: <48F88E9B.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
References: <20081016145227.GA19368@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<OFC2F859C2.1282441F-ON852574E4.0051FD07-852574E4.0052A9A1@lancaster.wnyric.org>
	<48F88A42.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
	<993788ac0810171059q3e042565rb7044f88c50c16d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<48F88E9B.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
Message-ID: <20081017182615.GB2067@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 01:09:48PM -0500, Scott Etienne wrote:
> The linux box is a fresh install--so eDir is not even on it yet. I get the message during the preliminary attempt to install eDir. There is one IP, but I am not sure about Open LDAP. I remember seeing a screen or message related to Open LDAP early on--but it didn't seem pertinent at the time.
>  
> Thank you,
> 
> Scott Etienne
> Network Engineer
> Enesco, LLC
> setienne at enesco.com 
------------
        I am not claiming this solves your problem, but then it might help.
When I build an OES Linux box there is a point where YaST configures a
Cert Authority (well before OES stuff appears). I always tailor that to
use the host's IP name (not domain).
	My three part litany is:
host_CA, host CA, postmaster at host.domain. Underscore, space, name, sings
the chorus.
	Secondly, near that same point do not enable openldap, else a fatal
conflict will occur when the OES material appears.
	We might as well mention that when OES installation does occur there
is a tick box to use eDir certs for nearly everything. Please do tick that
box as the eDir health check includes validating certs (the modern day PKIDIAG
for Linux).
	I know this is asking a lot of folks, but it is often a good idea to
go slowly and read whole screens when we encounter a new o/s to be installed.
Right, that takes all the fun out of it. Pedants would even suggest reading
the documentation, whereas zealots settle for release notes. The rest of us
just insert CD into Drive A: and merrily click away.
	Joe D.


From joea at j4computers.com  Fri Oct 17 20:54:46 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:54:46 -0400
Subject: OES1, nbackup restore, smdrd crash
Message-ID: <48F8B548020000850005EB90@FS-LIN-OES>

>     What we have here is a failure to compute, as one might say. The design of smdr/tsafs have, for a long
>time, had serious problems about memory consumption, particularly when large files are encountered. The usual
>way round is to tell tsafs that its cache memory allowance is none to a few percent (as you wish).
>    I suggest you write a report on this and submit it to Novell asap. Please try to see if large files
>are involved when things go pear shaped, and keep an eye on memory consumption via say  top.
>   Thanks,
>    Joe D.

I may have to hold off on that for the moment.  I just discovered that the tsafs file on the system I am restoring to, does not have the same md5sum as those on the other servers (source of file).  Interesting that, as the novell-sms-blah.rpm is the same on all the servers.

I am tempted to simply copy that file over, restart and see what happens.  But prudence dictates I look deeper.

joe a.

From jschutte at dordt.edu  Fri Oct 17 23:05:55 2008
From: jschutte at dordt.edu (Jeremiah Schutte)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:05:55 -0500
Subject: OES2 Install: unable to bind to edir through LDAP
In-Reply-To: <20081017175204.8E0A271100E@gray.dordt.edu>
References: <20081016145227.GA19368@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<OFC2F859C2.1282441F-ON852574E4.0051FD07-852574E4.0052A9A1@lancaster.wnyric.org>
	<20081017175204.8E0A271100E@gray.dordt.edu>
Message-ID: <20081017220609.70D6A7113F2@gray.dordt.edu>

We had similar problems that were caused by the installer not configuring SLP at all.  We set that up manually and then the edir install worked fine.


>>> On 10/17/2008 at 12:51 PM, "Scott Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com> wrote:
After discovering that DHCP and DNS were not configured properly after the first successful server install, I pulled the server out of the tree and rebuilt it. I used the command ndsconfig rm -a <admin user>, and then combed the tree removing related stray objects. I then re-ran the install with the correct DNS DHCP parameters, and when it came time to insert the server into the tree, I get Unable to bind edirectory throuh LDAP, and then ndsconfig failed to configure and start edirectory.

The server I am using ad the LDAP server is our primary LDAP server and master of all replicas. The server communication is fine, because I was able to run the online registration and patch updates before getting to this part.

I am getting ready to trash this installation, clean up the directory and then run dsrepairs everywhere and try it again.

Suggestions?

Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 


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From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk  Sat Oct 18 10:05:42 2008
From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (jrd)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:05:42 +0100
Subject: OES2 Install: unable to bind to edir through LDAP
In-Reply-To: <20081017220609.70D6A7113F2@gray.dordt.edu>
References: <20081016145227.GA19368@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>	<OFC2F859C2.1282441F-ON852574E4.0051FD07-852574E4.0052A9A1@lancaster.wnyric.org>	<20081017175204.8E0A271100E@gray.dordt.edu>
	<20081017220609.70D6A7113F2@gray.dordt.edu>
Message-ID: <48F9A6E6.9030300@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

Jeremiah Schutte wrote:
> We had similar problems that were caused by the installer not configuring SLP at all.  We set that up manually and then the edir install worked fine.
>
>
>   
>>>> On 10/17/2008 at 12:51 PM, "Scott Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com> wrote:
>>>>         
> After discovering that DHCP and DNS were not configured properly after the first successful server install, I pulled the server out of the tree and rebuilt it. I used the command ndsconfig rm -a <admin user>, and then combed the tree removing related stray objects. I then re-ran the install with the correct DNS DHCP parameters, and when it came time to insert the server into the tree, I get Unable to bind edirectory throuh LDAP, and then ndsconfig failed to configure and start edirectory.
>
> The server I am using ad the LDAP server is our primary LDAP server and master of all replicas. The server communication is fine, because I was able to run the online registration and patch updates before getting to this part.
>
> I am getting ready to trash this installation, clean up the directory and then run dsrepairs everywhere and try it again.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Scott Etienne
> Network Engineer
> Enesco, LLC
> setienne at enesco.com 
>   
------------------
          I would guess that you missed an object or two in the eDir 
clean out. The most critical of these is the old server object, followed 
by its
certs and SAS object. Volume objects can cause small trouble later but 
won't block a reintroduction. Naturally, replica holders need to understand
the changes, thus you may have to stimulate updates all round (my choice 
is backlink). Yes, I know, we would think that  ndsconfig rm  would have
accomplished all this, but perhaps it did not (which seems to have 
happened to me in odd situations).
        In all, I think your final strategy of  scrub clean, dsrepairs, 
clean reinstall  is quickest and likely best.
        Those are my guesses.
        Joe D.

From joea at j4computers.com  Sun Oct 19 00:46:27 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 19:46:27 -0400
Subject: OES1, rug, reinstall update
Message-ID: <48FA3D7F.917D.0085.0@j4computers.com>

Any way to reinstall a patch/update via rug?  An RPM package shows installed, but the binary I am interested in does not match that which exists on other servers with same RPM.

I don't find a way to download the RPM manually.

joe a.


From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk  Sun Oct 19 11:10:06 2008
From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (jrd)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:10:06 +0100
Subject: OES1, rug, reinstall update
In-Reply-To: <48FA3D7F.917D.0085.0@j4computers.com>
References: <48FA3D7F.917D.0085.0@j4computers.com>
Message-ID: <48FB077E.20506@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

joea at j4computers.com wrote:
> Any way to reinstall a patch/update via rug?  An RPM package shows installed, but the binary I am interested in does not match that which exists on other servers with same RPM.
>
> I don't find a way to download the RPM manually.
>
> joe a.
> -------------
>   
          YaST, Software Management, Details. Find the offending RPM, 
right click and select the
"Zorro" symbol (slash z) to indicate update. While there also look at 
the Versions section of that
RPM and if necessary push a radio button to choose an older or newer 
version.
          I don't have OES1 running here so I cannot recall its  rug  
command equivalents. Man rug
is the best I can offer at the moment, sorry about that.
          Joe D.

From Setienne at enesco.com  Mon Oct 20 15:42:04 2008
From: Setienne at enesco.com (Scott Etienne)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:42:04 -0500
Subject: OES2 Install: unable to bind to edir through LDAP
In-Reply-To: <48F9A6E6.9030300@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
References: <20081016145227.GA19368@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>	<OFC2F859C2.1282441F-ON852574E4.0051FD07-852574E4.0052A9A1@lancaster.wnyric.org>	<20081017175204.8E0A271100E@gray.dordt.edu>
	<20081017220609.70D6A7113F2@gray.dordt.edu><20081017220609.70D6A7113F2@gray.dordt.edu>
	<48F9A6E6.9030300@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <48FC526C.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>

Yes, that was it.
 
Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 

 

>>>> jrd jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> 10/18/2008 4:05 AM >> ( mailto:jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> )

          I would guess that you missed an object or two in the eDir 
clean out. The most critical of these is the old server object, followed 
by its
certs and SAS object. Volume objects can cause small trouble later but 
won't block a reintroduction. Naturally, replica holders need to understand
the changes, thus you may have to stimulate updates all round (my choice 
is backlink). Yes, I know, we would think that  ndsconfig rm  would have
accomplished all this, but perhaps it did not (which seems to have 
happened to me in odd situations).
        In all, I think your final strategy of  scrub clean, dsrepairs, 
clean reinstall  is quickest and likely best.
        Those are my guesses.
        Joe D.
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From Setienne at enesco.com  Mon Oct 20 17:16:03 2008
From: Setienne at enesco.com (Scott Etienne)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:16:03 -0500
Subject: OES2 Install: No DNS config selection in Yast
In-Reply-To: <48F9A6E6.9030300@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
References: <20081016145227.GA19368@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>	<OFC2F859C2.1282441F-ON852574E4.0051FD07-852574E4.0052A9A1@lancaster.wnyric.org>	<20081017175204.8E0A271100E@gray.dordt.edu>
	<20081017220609.70D6A7113F2@gray.dordt.edu><20081017220609.70D6A7113F2@gray.dordt.edu>
	<48F9A6E6.9030300@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <48FC6873.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>

The first time I set up the server, there was no DNS selection in Yast, so I pulled the server from the tree, and checked the trustees of the RootServerInfo object (TID 3884721) and found that they were fine, but yet reassigned them anyhow. Then, I installed the server in the tree again, making sure I selected DHCP and DNS in the OES selections. After all that, the server's Yast still does not show any DNS components, and even though I created the DNS server object in eDirectory, named still won't load, and I cannot configure it according to the doc, because there is no selection in Yast.
 
Help.
 
Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 

 

From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk  Mon Oct 20 17:41:10 2008
From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe R. Doupnik)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:41:10 +0100
Subject: OES2 Install: No DNS config selection in Yast
In-Reply-To: <48FC6873.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
References: <20081016145227.GA19368@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<OFC2F859C2.1282441F-ON852574E4.0051FD07-852574E4.0052A9A1@lancaster.wnyric.org>
	<20081017175204.8E0A271100E@gray.dordt.edu>
	<48F9A6E6.9030300@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<48FC6873.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
Message-ID: <20081020164110.GA13694@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:16:03AM -0500, Scott Etienne wrote:
> The first time I set up the server, there was no DNS selection in Yast, so I pulled the server from the tree, and checked the trustees of the RootServerInfo object (TID 3884721) and found that they were fine, but yet reassigned them anyhow. Then, I installed the server in the tree again, making sure I selected DHCP and DNS in the OES selections. After all that, the server's Yast still does not show any DNS components, and even though I created the DNS server object in eDirectory, named still won't load, and I cannot configure it according to the doc, because there is no selection in Yast.
>  
> Help.
>  
> Thank you,
> 
> Scott Etienne
> Network Engineer
> Enesco, LLC
> setienne at enesco.com 
-------------
        I am not quite following this, but I have a comment anyway.
YaST is referring to standalone/ISC DHCP and Bind, nothing to do with
eDir and Novell's implementation of DHCP and DNS servers. Could there
be some confusion about this in your system?
	Joe D.

From Setienne at enesco.com  Mon Oct 20 18:15:16 2008
From: Setienne at enesco.com (Scott Etienne)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:15:16 -0500
Subject: OES2 Install: No DNS config selection in Yast
In-Reply-To: <20081020164110.GA13694@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
References: <20081016145227.GA19368@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<OFC2F859C2.1282441F-ON852574E4.0051FD07-852574E4.0052A9A1@lancaster.wnyric.org>
	<20081017175204.8E0A271100E@gray.dordt.edu>
	<48F9A6E6.9030300@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<48FC6873.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
	<20081020164110.GA13694@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <48FC7653.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>

Sorry--I discovered the right documentation and realized what the problem was. I was assuming wrongly that OES-related configuration was located in Yast, under Open Enterprise Server, exacerbated by more misinterpretations of documentation related to installation pointing to YaST,
 
I am having trouble with the innate cultural differences between Novell services on YaST as compared to native SUSE. Some of it based upon my on mis-perceptions, and at least one more part based upon a foggy document that referred to named (which I am hard-pressed to find right now).
 
And, after all it is/was Monday morning--maybe that will cover some of my own head-in-the-fog here.
 
Thanks,
 
Scott
 

>>> "Joe R. Doupnik" jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> 10/20/2008 11:41 AM >> ( mailto:jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> )
        I am not quite following this, but I have a comment anyway.
YaST is referring to standalone/ISC DHCP and Bind, nothing to do with
eDir and Novell's implementation of DHCP and DNS servers. Could there
be some confusion about this in your system?
Joe D.
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From Setienne at enesco.com  Mon Oct 20 22:54:38 2008
From: Setienne at enesco.com (Scott Etienne)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:54:38 -0500
Subject: OES2 DNS troubles
In-Reply-To: <48FC7653.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
References: <20081016145227.GA19368@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<OFC2F859C2.1282441F-ON852574E4.0051FD07-852574E4.0052A9A1@lancaster.wnyric.org>
	<20081017175204.8E0A271100E@gray.dordt.edu>
	<48F9A6E6.9030300@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<48FC6873.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
	<20081020164110.GA13694@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<48FC7653.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
Message-ID: <48FCB7CE.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>

My OES2 DNS server was working great this morning, but now it will no longer resolve eDirectory-based zones. It resolves external lookups, but none for which the server is supposedly a master of. I have tried removing the server from the zones in DNSDHCP console, and re-adding it in iManager for the internal zones didn't make a difference.
 
Things that have changed: 1. Performed "automatic updates," accepting the packages already selected, and 2. Tried unsuccessfully to install Identity Manager--some library path variable wasn't set, and I ran the utility it asked for to set this variable and rebooted the server, but no luck.
 
Can anyone help me get a clue here?
 
 
Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 

 

From Setienne at enesco.com  Tue Oct 21 14:44:40 2008
From: Setienne at enesco.com (Scott Etienne)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:44:40 -0500
Subject: OES2 DNS troubles
In-Reply-To: <48FCB7CE.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
References: <20081016145227.GA19368@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<OFC2F859C2.1282441F-ON852574E4.0051FD07-852574E4.0052A9A1@lancaster.wnyric.org>
	<20081017175204.8E0A271100E@gray.dordt.edu>
	<48F9A6E6.9030300@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<48FC6873.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
	<20081020164110.GA13694@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<48FC7653.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com> <48FCB7CE.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
Message-ID: <48FD9678.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>

Does SLES/OES create something akin to a restore point automatically? I want to see if I can avoid having to rip and rebuild. 
 
Rant: It really tees off my boss that it looks like I will have to rip and replace to fix this.
 
Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 

 
 
>>> "Scott Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com> 10/20/2008 4:54 PM >>>
My OES2 DNS server was working great this morning, but now it will no longer resolve eDirectory-based zones. It resolves external lookups, but none for which the server is supposedly a master of. I have tried removing the server from the zones in DNSDHCP console, and re-adding it in iManager for the internal zones didn't make a difference.

Things that have changed: 1. Performed "automatic updates," accepting the packages already selected, and 2. Tried unsuccessfully to install Identity Manager--some library path variable wasn't set, and I ran the utility it asked for to set this variable and rebooted the server, but no luck.

Can anyone help me get a clue here?


Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 


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From Steven.Aitken at nds8.co.uk  Tue Oct 21 14:58:53 2008
From: Steven.Aitken at nds8.co.uk (Steven Aitken)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:58:53 +0100
Subject: OES2 DNS troubles
In-Reply-To: <48FDEE2D02000007000149F9@mail2.nds8.com>
References: <48FDEE2D02000007000149F6@mail2.nds8.com>
	<48FDEE2D02000007000149F9@mail2.nds8.com>
Message-ID: <48FDEE2D02000007000149F9@mail2.nds8.com>

Scott, does the named server log give you any info? Its difficult to say
why it would just stop servicing its zones, but still resolve internet
addresses.

If there's anything suspicious in the log, please post an excerpt and
I'll cast an eye....

Cheers,

Steve 
-----Original Message-----
From: "Scott Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com>
To: Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

Sent: 21/10/2008 14:44:40
Subject: Re: OES2 DNS troubles

Does SLES/OES create something akin to a restore point automatically? I
want to see if I can avoid having to rip and rebuild. 
 
Rant: It really tees off my boss that it looks like I will have to rip
and replace to fix this.
 
Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 

 
 
>>> "Scott Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com> 10/20/2008 4:54 PM >>>
My OES2 DNS server was working great this morning, but now it will no
longer resolve eDirectory-based zones. It resolves external lookups, but
none for which the server is supposedly a master of. I have tried
removing the server from the zones in DNSDHCP console, and re-adding it
in iManager for the internal zones didn't make a difference.

Things that have changed: 1. Performed "automatic updates," accepting
the packages already selected, and 2. Tried unsuccessfully to install
Identity Manager--some library path variable wasn't set, and I ran the
utility it asked for to set this variable and rebooted the server, but
no luck.

Can anyone help me get a clue here?


Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 


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From novell at scred.nl  Tue Oct 21 15:05:02 2008
From: novell at scred.nl (Alexander Al)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:05:02 +0200
Subject: OES2 - linux - dhcp/dns probs
Message-ID: <413akgfuo8uraay.211020081605@mail2.scred.nl>

Hi,

my /var/log/warn gives me these messages:

Oct 21 09:55:50 as7 dhcpd: unable to add reverse map from 47.2.99.10.in-addr.arpa. to ci3002.intranet.xxx.nl: timed out
Oct 21 10:05:59 as7 dhcpd: unable to add reverse map from 162.2.99.10.in-addr.arpa. to e5915b.intranet.xxx.nl: timed out
Oct 21 10:07:49 as7 dhcpd: unable to add reverse map from 93.2.99.10.in-addr.arpa. to ci9998.intranet.xxx.nl: timed out

which indicates me that the dynamic DNS is not working. Is there any idea why this would occure?

sincerely,
Alexander. B ICT


From Setienne at enesco.com  Tue Oct 21 15:29:51 2008
From: Setienne at enesco.com (Scott Etienne)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:29:51 -0500
Subject: OES2 DNS troubles FIXED
In-Reply-To: <48FDEE2D02000007000149F9@mail2.nds8.com>
References: <48FDEE2D02000007000149F6@mail2.nds8.com>
	<48FDEE2D02000007000149F9@mail2.nds8.com>
	<48FDEE2D02000007000149F9@mail2.nds8.com>
Message-ID: <48FDA10F.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>

Steve and All,
 
Thanks for the help here. I found TID 3775731 that talks about DNS syntactical-finickyness of Bind, and settings in the zone files to allow for things like underscores. On a whim, I decided to try it, and it seems to have worked. Apparently, the version of Bind in SUSE has a real problem with underscores in record names.
 
This is a head-scratcher when thinking about the oversight and direction of a product like OES. Novell for years has nearly advocated (by examples) the using of underscores in NDS objects like servers and tree names, and actually implements them when naming volumes and such. It seems to me that this would be one of the things considered when merging products. You have to look at the real-world cultures of the worlds you are going to smash together when undertaking such an endeavor as merging two different OS's. 
 
Wouldn't it have been nice if product development had anticipated that this would be an issue and included the fix during schema extensions, to avoid frustrating A.D.D.-affected engineers such as moi? ; )
 
Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 

 

>>> "Steven Aitken" <Steven.Aitken at nds8.co.uk> 10/21/2008 8:58 AM >>>
Scott, does the named server log give you any info? Its difficult to say
why it would just stop servicing its zones, but still resolve internet
addresses.

If there's anything suspicious in the log, please post an excerpt and
I'll cast an eye....

Cheers,

Steve 
-----Original Message-----
From: "Scott Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com>
To: Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

Sent: 21/10/2008 14:44:40
Subject: Re: OES2 DNS troubles

Does SLES/OES create something akin to a restore point automatically? I
want to see if I can avoid having to rip and rebuild. 

Rant: It really tees off my boss that it looks like I will have to rip
and replace to fix this.

Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 



>>> "Scott Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com> 10/20/2008 4:54 PM >>>
My OES2 DNS server was working great this morning, but now it will no
longer resolve eDirectory-based zones. It resolves external lookups, but
none for which the server is supposedly a master of. I have tried
removing the server from the zones in DNSDHCP console, and re-adding it
in iManager for the internal zones didn't make a difference.

Things that have changed: 1. Performed "automatic updates," accepting
the packages already selected, and 2. Tried unsuccessfully to install
Identity Manager--some library path variable wasn't set, and I ran the
utility it asked for to set this variable and rebooted the server, but
no luck.

Can anyone help me get a clue here?


Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 


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From bbrush at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 15:43:24 2008
From: bbrush at gmail.com (Bill Brush)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:43:24 -0500
Subject: OES2 DNS troubles FIXED
In-Reply-To: <48FDA10F.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
References: <48FDEE2D02000007000149F6@mail2.nds8.com>
	<48FDEE2D02000007000149F9@mail2.nds8.com>
	<48FDA10F.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
Message-ID: <167f4090810210743o723fdfa1md6331f498912b4eb@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Scott Etienne <Setienne at enesco.com> wrote:
> Steve and All,
>
> Thanks for the help here. I found TID 3775731 that talks about DNS syntactical-finickyness of Bind, and settings in the zone files to allow for things like underscores. On a whim, I decided to try it, and it seems to have worked. Apparently, the version of Bind in SUSE has a real problem with underscores in record names.
>
> This is a head-scratcher when thinking about the oversight and direction of a product like OES. Novell for years has nearly advocated (by examples) the using of underscores in NDS objects like servers and tree names, and actually implements them when naming volumes and such. It seems to me that this would be one of the things considered when merging products. You have to look at the real-world cultures of the worlds you are going to smash together when undertaking such an endeavor as merging two different OS's.
>
> Wouldn't it have been nice if product development had anticipated that this would be an issue and included the fix during schema extensions, to avoid frustrating A.D.D.-affected engineers such as moi? ; )


I'm not a BIND or DNS expert by any stretch, but I recall running into
an issue with underscores in a DNS name years ago (more than 10) and
it not being a supported character.  AFAIK underscore has never been a
supported character for DNS names.  Novell in typical fashion didn't
update their best practices for years after moving to IP and so we
have a lot of trees out there with servers names that are incompatible
with DNS.   Unfortunately I don't see much that Novell can do to ease
this issue since the only real fix is to rename the offending hosts,
which isn't something you'd want to automate.

Bill

From Setienne at enesco.com  Tue Oct 21 15:55:01 2008
From: Setienne at enesco.com (Scott Etienne)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:55:01 -0500
Subject: OES2 DNS troubles FIXED
In-Reply-To: <167f4090810210743o723fdfa1md6331f498912b4eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48FDEE2D02000007000149F6@mail2.nds8.com>
	<48FDEE2D02000007000149F9@mail2.nds8.com>
	<48FDA10F.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
	<167f4090810210743o723fdfa1md6331f498912b4eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48FDA6F5.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>

The TID I mentioned (TID 3775731) relaxes Bind's issue with underscores, so no renaming necessary.
 
As a cultural note, not all versions of Bind are underscore-averse.
 
Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 

 


>>> "Bill Brush" bbrush at gmail.com> 10/21/2008 9:43 AM >> ( mailto:bbrush at gmail.com> )

I'm not a BIND or DNS expert by any stretch, but I recall running into
an issue with underscores in a DNS name years ago (more than 10) and
it not being a supported character.  AFAIK underscore has never been a
supported character for DNS names.  Novell in typical fashion didn't
update their best practices for years after moving to IP and so we
have a lot of trees out there with servers names that are incompatible
with DNS.   Unfortunately I don't see much that Novell can do to ease
this issue since the only real fix is to rename the offending hosts,
which isn't something you'd want to automate.

Bill
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From ml at irmawi.de  Tue Oct 21 19:37:21 2008
From: ml at irmawi.de (Markus Winkler)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:37:21 +0200
Subject: OES2 DNS troubles FIXED
In-Reply-To: <167f4090810210743o723fdfa1md6331f498912b4eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48FDEE2D02000007000149F6@mail2.nds8.com>	<48FDEE2D02000007000149F9@mail2.nds8.com>	<48FDA10F.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
	<167f4090810210743o723fdfa1md6331f498912b4eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48FE2161.5050408@irmawi.de>

On 21.10.2008 16:43 Bill Brush wrote:
> I'm not a BIND or DNS expert by any stretch, but I recall running
> into an issue with underscores in a DNS name years ago (more than 10)
> and it not being a supported character.

Me too. I often had problems with Windows-administrators, which used
hostnames with underscores. But this is not a valid character for ...

> AFAIK underscore has never been a supported character for DNS names.

... _hostnames_. AFAIK according to RFC2782 this is only a valid
character for Service- and Protocol-parts of SRV RRs. Or was this
changed in between?

> Novell in typical fashion didn't update their best practices for
> years after moving to IP and so we have a lot of trees out there with
> servers names that are incompatible with DNS.

Yep, that's the main problem, IMHO. There are standards in the
TCP/IP-world. And all (including Novell and MS) has to respect them.
Things like 'check-names ignore;' in the Bind-configuration is only a
workaround.

Regards,
Markus

From petervl at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 19:56:08 2008
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:56:08 -0500
Subject: OES2 DNS troubles FIXED
In-Reply-To: <48FE2161.5050408@irmawi.de>
References: <48FDEE2D02000007000149F6@mail2.nds8.com>
	<48FDEE2D02000007000149F9@mail2.nds8.com>
	<48FDA10F.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
	<167f4090810210743o723fdfa1md6331f498912b4eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<48FE2161.5050408@irmawi.de>
Message-ID: <68b791330810211156o653d1c37geeb5d3c86973f19d@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Markus Winkler <ml at irmawi.de> wrote:
> On 21.10.2008 16:43 Bill Brush wrote:
<snip>
>> Novell in typical fashion didn't update their best practices for
>> years after moving to IP and so we have a lot of trees out there with
>> servers names that are incompatible with DNS.
>
> Yep, that's the main problem, IMHO. There are standards in the
> TCP/IP-world. And all (including Novell and MS) has to respect them.
> Things like 'check-names ignore;' in the Bind-configuration is only a
> workaround.

I think if you look at the various RFCs carefully, underscore *is* an
allowed character in HOSTNAMES, and thus in the DNS "namespace".

It has been a long long time since I looked into this, but I believe
the trouble comes where the spec for applications (i.e. DNS server
services, SMTP services, etc) is concerned. A slightly different
character set is supported than is supported in HOSTNAMES, so
confusion has reigned oh these many years, with the common sense
wisdom coming down of the side of "just avoiding underscores".

Nobody ever accused Novell of being a rich repository of common sense.

P

From Setienne at enesco.com  Tue Oct 21 20:27:39 2008
From: Setienne at enesco.com (Scott Etienne)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:27:39 -0500
Subject: OES2 DNS troubles FIXED
In-Reply-To: <48FE2161.5050408@irmawi.de>
References: <48FDEE2D02000007000149F6@mail2.nds8.com>	<48FDEE2D02000007000149F9@mail2.nds8.com>	<48FDA10F.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
	<167f4090810210743o723fdfa1md6331f498912b4eb@mail.gmail.com><167f4090810210743o723fdfa1md6331f498912b4eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<48FE2161.5050408@irmawi.de>
Message-ID: <48FDE6DA.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>

The last thing I will say about underscores and other characters, is related to our public-facing DNS servers. AT&T had us setup our DNS servers for classless delegation, with our reverse-lookup zone files named with underscores, and accepting reverse-pointer-lookups that contain resource records with underscores. Our new ISP wanted forward slashes in the PTR-record lookups instead of the underscores. in both cases, we had to setup our SLES servers for the 'check-names ignore' option to allow these naming conventions for classless delegation (RFC 2317).
 
 
Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 

 

From ml at irmawi.de  Tue Oct 21 20:35:08 2008
From: ml at irmawi.de (Markus Winkler)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:35:08 +0200
Subject: OES2 DNS troubles FIXED
In-Reply-To: <68b791330810211156o653d1c37geeb5d3c86973f19d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48FDEE2D02000007000149F6@mail2.nds8.com>	<48FDEE2D02000007000149F9@mail2.nds8.com>	<48FDA10F.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>	<167f4090810210743o723fdfa1md6331f498912b4eb@mail.gmail.com>	<48FE2161.5050408@irmawi.de>
	<68b791330810211156o653d1c37geeb5d3c86973f19d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48FE2EEC.6060000@irmawi.de>

On 21.10.2008 20:56 Peter Van Lone wrote:
> I think if you look at the various RFCs carefully, underscore *is* an
> allowed character in HOSTNAMES, and thus in the DNS "namespace".

Which RFCs would this be? I know http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc952.txt:

---- snip ----
ASSUMPTIONS

   1. A "name" (Net, Host, Gateway, or Domain name) is a text string up
   to 24 characters drawn from the alphabet (A-Z), digits (0-9), minus
   sign (-), and period (.).
---- snip ----

BTW, even our friends at M$ saying so:
http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb%3Ben-us%3B101785&x=13&y=9

I cannot see, that "_" is an allowed character. So I would be very
interested in the RFCs, which allowing this character.

Regards,
Markus


From joea at j4computers.com  Tue Oct 21 20:32:42 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:32:42 -0400
Subject: OES1, nbackup restore, smdrd crash
Message-ID: <48FDF664020000850005EC36@FS-LIN-OES>

>. . .
>-----------
>    What we have here is a failure to compute, as one might say. The design of smdr/tsafs have, for a long
>ttme, had serious problems about memory consumption, particularly when large files are encountered. The usual
>way round is to tell tsafs that its cache memory allowance is none to a few percent (as you wish).
>   I suggest you write a report on this and submit it to Novell asap. Please try to see if large files
>are involved when things go pear shaped, and keep an eye on memory consumption via say  top.
>    Thanks,
>    Joe D.
>

Where might I send this report?  I wanted to confirm the issue remained after sorting out down rev modules.

joe a.

From Setienne at enesco.com  Tue Oct 21 20:49:00 2008
From: Setienne at enesco.com (Scott Etienne)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:49:00 -0500
Subject: OES2 DNS troubles FIXED
In-Reply-To: <48FE2EEC.6060000@irmawi.de>
References: <48FDEE2D02000007000149F6@mail2.nds8.com>	<48FDEE2D02000007000149F9@mail2.nds8.com>	<48FDA10F.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>	<167f4090810210743o723fdfa1md6331f498912b4eb@mail.gmail.com>	<48FE2161.5050408@irmawi.de>
	<68b791330810211156o653d1c37geeb5d3c86973f19d@mail.gmail.com><68b791330810211156o653d1c37geeb5d3c86973f19d@mail.gmail.com>
	<48FE2EEC.6060000@irmawi.de>
Message-ID: <48FDEBDC.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>

Okay, I lied. That was not my last word. ; )
 
RFC 2782 suggests using underscores in host names to solve a particular problem.
 
 
Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 

 


>>> Markus Winkler <ml at irmawi.de> 10/21/2008 2:35 PM >>>
On 21.10.2008 20:56 Peter Van Lone wrote:
> I think if you look at the various RFCs carefully, underscore *is* an
> allowed character in HOSTNAMES, and thus in the DNS "namespace".

Which RFCs would this be? I know http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc952.txt: 

---- snip ----
ASSUMPTIONS

   1. A "name" (Net, Host, Gateway, or Domain name) is a text string up
   to 24 characters drawn from the alphabet (A-Z), digits (0-9), minus
   sign (-), and period (.).
---- snip ----

BTW, even our friends at M$ saying so:
http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb%3Ben-us%3B101785&x=13&y=9 

I cannot see, that "_" is an allowed character. So I would be very
interested in the RFCs, which allowing this character.

Regards,
Markus

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From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Tue Oct 21 21:39:36 2008
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:39:36 -0400
Subject: OES2 SP1 beta NCS problem
In-Reply-To: <48FDEBDC.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
Message-ID: <OF4447F17E.2117E954-ON852574E9.0070BE89-852574E9.00717DF1@lancaster.wnyric.org>

OK, I am not sure if this is an OES2 Sp1 problem or an NCS problem.

Here is the scenario:

3 SLES10 SP2/OES2 SP1 server in test tree

Virtual servers on Xen Express (not that it matters)

OES modules installed on master server are eDirectory, DNS, iManager, LUM.

OES 2 modules on server trying to be 1st node in NCS cluster are the same 
plus NCS and NSS.

Modules install but when I attempt to configure NCS I get all the way to 
the config portion and it fails with message that "NCS install was unable 
to extend schema"

Tried to use Novell Schema Tool in yast to manually extend for NCS but 
there is no NCS product listed in the schema tool, also tried reinstalling 
NCS through Yast, also tried to extend schema via ICE by using the LDIF 
file in /opt/novell/ncs/schema...don't know if that was smart but it did 
not work anyway.

Googling has turned up only an article about special characters in the 
admin password, which I do not have.

Any information would be useful, pulling my hair out on this one, I have 
never had this problem installing NCS services on Netware or Linux OES1 or 
OES2.

Thanks.

T2

From ml at irmawi.de  Tue Oct 21 22:09:34 2008
From: ml at irmawi.de (Markus Winkler)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:09:34 +0200
Subject: OES2 DNS troubles FIXED
In-Reply-To: <48FDEBDC.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
References: <48FDEE2D02000007000149F6@mail2.nds8.com>
	<48FDEE2D02000007000149F9@mail2.nds8.com>
	<48FDA10F.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
	<167f4090810210743o723fdfa1md6331f498912b4eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<48FE2161.5050408@irmawi.de> <48FE2EEC.6060000@irmawi.de>
	<48FDEBDC.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
Message-ID: <20081021210934.GK5434@kermit.home.priv>

On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 at 02:49:00PM -0500, Scott Etienne wrote:

> Okay, I lied. That was not my last word. ; )

;-)

> RFC 2782 suggests using underscores in host names to solve a
> particular problem.

I already mentioned this RFC in my first post. It only allows
underscores for protocol- and serviceparts of SRV RRs. If I read
it correctly.

Regards,
Markus


From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk  Wed Oct 22 09:56:13 2008
From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (jrd)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:56:13 +0100
Subject: OES1, nbackup restore, smdrd crash
In-Reply-To: <48FDF664020000850005EC36@FS-LIN-OES>
References: <48FDF664020000850005EC36@FS-LIN-OES>
Message-ID: <48FEEAAD.10000@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

joea at j4computers.com wrote:
>> . . .
>> -----------
>>    What we have here is a failure to compute, as one might say. The design of smdr/tsafs have, for a long
>> ttme, had serious problems about memory consumption, particularly when large files are encountered. The usual
>> way round is to tell tsafs that its cache memory allowance is none to a few percent (as you wish).
>>   I suggest you write a report on this and submit it to Novell asap. Please try to see if large files
>> are involved when things go pear shaped, and keep an eye on memory consumption via say  top.
>>    Thanks,
>>    Joe D.
>>
>>     
>
> Where might I send this report?  I wanted to confirm the issue remained after sorting out down rev modules.
>
> joe a.
>   
--------------
       http://beta.novell.com/    (or equivalent)
       Choose a beta product, see its download page and on that page on the
lower right is a text box entitled "beta feedback". It is a tiny box, so 
we guess
they hope the bugs will be equally small, but carry on typing anyway. 
You can
always offer to send more data if the recipient so requests.
     Joe D.

From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Wed Oct 22 14:27:58 2008
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:27:58 -0400
Subject: OES2 SP1 beta NCS problem -- resolved
In-Reply-To: <OF4447F17E.2117E954-ON852574E9.0070BE89-852574E9.00717DF1@lancaster.wnyric.org>
Message-ID: <OF85D82777.C096BCFF-ON852574EA.0048C4E8-852574EA.0049F90A@lancaster.wnyric.org>

Well, I am not sure if it was patience in waiting for eDirectory to sync 
or more likely the online update that I just ran but I was able to install 
my NCS test cluster.

The latest updates included a recommended update to OES2SP1 which seems to 
have fixed my issue.

So, for anyone else testing OES2SP1 and using NCS latest patches included 
recommended seem to matter.

Hope this helps someone else.

T2



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OK, I am not sure if this is an OES2 Sp1 problem or an NCS problem.

Here is the scenario:

3 SLES10 SP2/OES2 SP1 server in test tree

Virtual servers on Xen Express (not that it matters)

OES modules installed on master server are eDirectory, DNS, iManager, LUM.

OES 2 modules on server trying to be 1st node in NCS cluster are the same 
plus NCS and NSS.

Modules install but when I attempt to configure NCS I get all the way to 
the config portion and it fails with message that "NCS install was unable 
to extend schema"

Tried to use Novell Schema Tool in yast to manually extend for NCS but 
there is no NCS product listed in the schema tool, also tried reinstalling 

NCS through Yast, also tried to extend schema via ICE by using the LDIF 
file in /opt/novell/ncs/schema...don't know if that was smart but it did 
not work anyway.

Googling has turned up only an article about special characters in the 
admin password, which I do not have.

Any information would be useful, pulling my hair out on this one, I have 
never had this problem installing NCS services on Netware or Linux OES1 or 

OES2.

Thanks.

T2
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From joea at j4computers.com  Wed Oct 22 18:06:14 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:06:14 -0400
Subject: OES1, nbackup restore, smdrd crash
Message-ID: <48FF2584020000850005EC54@FS-LIN-OES>

. . .
>       http://beta.novell.com/    (or equivalent)
>       Choose a beta product, see its download page and on that page on the
>lower right is a text box entitled "beta feedback". It is a tiny box, so 
>we guess
>they hope the bugs will be equally small, but carry on typing anyway. 
>You can
>always offer to send more data if the recipient so requests.
>     Joe D.

Must be only for authorized beta.  I don't see it.  A common refrain through out my career(s).

joe a.

From joea at j4computers.com  Wed Oct 22 18:09:34 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:09:34 -0400
Subject: OES1, nbackup restore, smdrd crash
Message-ID: <48FF260F020000850005EC58@FS-LIN-OES>

> re - not finding it.

Never mind.  There it is now.  Must be related to early morning support site , issues.

Thanks.

joe a.

From Renee at wfse.org  Thu Oct 23 23:41:21 2008
From: Renee at wfse.org (Renee Hunter)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:41:21 -0700
Subject: OT:  Windows 2003 x64 and Netware Q Printing
Message-ID: <s9009b2a.036@mail.wfse.org>

I'd like to move our mailing program to a Windows 2003 x64 server and
continue to print to a Netware 5.1 Q, but Microsoft's web site indicates
Client Services for NetWare, which run on 2000, are not available on the
2003 x64.  Right now we are printing using a NetWare Q to a Printronix
Proline Series 5 printer.  Any workarounds?  This older printer will not
correctly format the label when using direct IP printing with our
program.


From joea at j4computers.com  Sat Oct 25 13:54:42 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:54:42 -0400
Subject: OT:  Windows 2003 x64 and Netware Q Printing
In-Reply-To: <s9009b2a.036@mail.wfse.org>
References: <s9009b2a.036@mail.wfse.org>
Message-ID: <4902DEA2.917D.0085.0@j4computers.com>

I suppose you could install an NDPS Broker and Print manager on the NW box, create a "new style" printer and have it service that queue.  

Then, install the NW client, including NDPS stuff and print to the new printer.

It should work, but no idea if your formatting problem will still show up.   There is no reason I can think of, off hand, why IP printing should botch formatting, unless the NW queue had some printer commands set up.  I forget, what that is called or how it works, do recall it had to do with "PDF" files found in PUBLIC.

joe a.

>>> On 10/23/2008 at 6:41 PM, "Renee Hunter" <Renee at wfse.org> wrote:
> I'd like to move our mailing program to a Windows 2003 x64 server and
> continue to print to a Netware 5.1 Q, but Microsoft's web site indicates
> Client Services for NetWare, which run on 2000, are not available on the
> 2003 x64.  Right now we are printing using a NetWare Q to a Printronix
> Proline Series 5 printer.  Any workarounds?  This older printer will not
> correctly format the label when using direct IP printing with our
> program.
> 
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From James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com  Sat Oct 25 14:44:20 2008
From: James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com (James Taylor)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:44:20 -0400
Subject: OT:  Windows 2003 x64 and Netware Q Printing
Message-ID: <4902EA740200007500007FD3@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>

Unfortunately, there is no 64bit winxp/2003 client.
You can do some fairly sophisticated configuration  with command line iPrint utilities and we used a tool from we got from the Pcounter folks that helped us use iPrint to simulate windows share printing.
And, of course,  iPrint doesn't need a Novell client.
-jt

James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
678-697-9420
james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
http://www.eastcobbgroup.com





>>> "joea at j4computers.com" <joea at j4computers.com> 10/25/08 08:57 AM >>>
I suppose you could install an NDPS Broker and Print manager on the NW box, create a "new style" printer and have it service that queue.  

Then, install the NW client, including NDPS stuff and print to the new printer.

It should work, but no idea if your formatting problem will still show up.   There is no reason I can think of, off hand, why IP printing should botch formatting, unless the NW queue had some printer commands set up.  I forget, what that is called or how it works, do recall it had to do with "PDF" files found in PUBLIC.

joe a.

>>> On 10/23/2008 at 6:41 PM, "Renee Hunter" <Renee at wfse.org> wrote:
> I'd like to move our mailing program to a Windows 2003 x64 server and
> continue to print to a Netware 5.1 Q, but Microsoft's web site indicates
> Client Services for NetWare, which run on 2000, are not available on the
> 2003 x64.  Right now we are printing using a NetWare Q to a Printronix
> Proline Series 5 printer.  Any workarounds?  This older printer will not
> correctly format the label when using direct IP printing with our
> program.
> 
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From joea at j4computers.com  Sat Oct 25 16:24:56 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:24:56 -0400
Subject: OT:  Windows 2003 x64 and Netware Q Printing
In-Reply-To: <4902EA740200007500007FD3@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>
References: <4902EA740200007500007FD3@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>
Message-ID: <49030204.917D.0085.0@j4computers.com>

>>> On 10/25/2008 at 9:44 AM, "James Taylor" <James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com>
wrote:
> Unfortunately, there is no 64bit winxp/2003 client.
> You can do some fairly sophisticated configuration  with command line iPrint 
> utilities and we used a tool from we got from the Pcounter folks that helped 
> us use iPrint to simulate windows share printing.
> And, of course,  iPrint doesn't need a Novell client.
> -jt
>

Iprint on NW 5.1?

joe a


From James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com  Sun Oct 26 03:35:59 2008
From: James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com (James Taylor)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 23:35:59 -0400
Subject: OT:  Windows 2003 x64 and Netware Q Printing
In-Reply-To: <4903AD3C.9252.0075.1@eastcobbgroup.com>
References: <4902EA740200007500007FD3@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>
	<4903AD3C.9252.0075.1@eastcobbgroup.com>
Message-ID: <4903AD5F020000750003413F@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>

I guess I missed that.
Is 5.1 the only version available at the site?
-jt
 

James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
678-697-9420
james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
http://www.eastcobbgroup.com







>>> "joea at j4computers.com" <joea at j4computers.com> 10/25/2008 11:24 AM >>> 
>>> On 10/25/2008 at 9:44 AM, "James Taylor" <James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com>
wrote:
> Unfortunately, there is no 64bit winxp/2003 client.
> You can do some fairly sophisticated configuration  with command line iPrint 
> utilities and we used a tool from we got from the Pcounter folks that helped 
> us use iPrint to simulate windows share printing.
> And, of course,  iPrint doesn't need a Novell client.
> -jt
>

Iprint on NW 5.1?

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From petervl at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 14:53:42 2008
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:53:42 -0500
Subject: OT: teaming and Conferencing
Message-ID: <68b791330810270753pa48c5do9bf0138b04e7c215@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone know whether there is a VM appliance that can be used as a T+C demo?

Also .... anyone used this product as a doc man system? Does it work ok?

I've got a customer who uses Netware/GW. They are a manufacturing
company, and they have alot of projects that have to do with product
development. Each project has tons of documents. They would like to be
able to access documents by project, rather than by storage location
(currently they use a standard mapped drive to the main Netware file
server).

If they were to use T+C, would they be able to leave the docs where
they are, and T+C would simply index and present them? Or, would the
doc store have to be moved into a T+C storage area?

Is the interface such that they could login, then just seach for a
particular project code or name, and then see all the folders/docs
associated with that particular project?

What about emails, ect ... will it pull in email from GW that is
related to a project, or would that be a seperate step, like exporting
email to the T+C project?

What about calendar -- will meetings that have been scheduled in GW
for a project somehow be visible in T+C? Would we have to create
special project users/folders or something, or would calendars be
available as long as we setup the project in T+C and added users to
the project team?

Thnx ... I've been looking over the available docs, but per usual it
is either all marketing speak that says literally nothing, or just
"click here to do this, click there to do that".

Hoping someone else has actually used it, and can give a bit of low-down!


Peter



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From joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk  Mon Oct 27 15:19:24 2008
From: joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe R. Doupnik)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:19:24 +0000
Subject: OT: teaming and Conferencing
In-Reply-To: <68b791330810270753pa48c5do9bf0138b04e7c215@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330810270753pa48c5do9bf0138b04e7c215@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4905DBFC.6000504@oucs.ox.ac.uk>

Peter Van Lone wrote:
> Anyone know whether there is a VM appliance that can be used as a T+C demo?
>
> Also .... anyone used this product as a doc man system? Does it work ok?
>
> I've got a customer who uses Netware/GW. They are a manufacturing
> company, and they have alot of projects that have to do with product
> development. Each project has tons of documents. They would like to be
> able to access documents by project, rather than by storage location
> (currently they use a standard mapped drive to the main Netware file
> server).
>
> If they were to use T+C, would they be able to leave the docs where
> they are, and T+C would simply index and present them? Or, would the
> doc store have to be moved into a T+C storage area?
>
> Is the interface such that they could login, then just seach for a
> particular project code or name, and then see all the folders/docs
> associated with that particular project?
>
> What about emails, ect ... will it pull in email from GW that is
> related to a project, or would that be a seperate step, like exporting
> email to the T+C project?
>
> What about calendar -- will meetings that have been scheduled in GW
> for a project somehow be visible in T+C? Would we have to create
> special project users/folders or something, or would calendars be
> available as long as we setup the project in T+C and added users to
> the project team?
>
> Thnx ... I've been looking over the available docs, but per usual it
> is either all marketing speak that says literally nothing, or just
> "click here to do this, click there to do that".
>
> Hoping someone else has actually used it, and can give a bit of low-down!
>
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>   

     There is, but it is available only to Novell Partners. May I
 suggest you find one from Novell's list of them and see if they can
help you.
      Joe D.


From bbrush at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 15:24:35 2008
From: bbrush at gmail.com (Bill Brush)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:24:35 -0500
Subject: OT: teaming and Conferencing
In-Reply-To: <4905DBFC.6000504@oucs.ox.ac.uk>
References: <68b791330810270753pa48c5do9bf0138b04e7c215@mail.gmail.com>
	<4905DBFC.6000504@oucs.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <167f4090810270824j21fac696hd9b95226a2409e19@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Joe R. Doupnik
<joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
> Peter Van Lone wrote:
>> Anyone know whether there is a VM appliance that can be used as a T+C demo?

>     There is, but it is available only to Novell Partners. May I
>  suggest you find one from Novell's list of them and see if they can
> help you.


Ah therein lies the rub.  Finding a Novell partner that is local, and
has the required skills is a tall order these days.  Messman pretty
thoroughly destroyed the partner ecosystem.  :-(

Bill

From Setienne at enesco.com  Mon Oct 27 15:29:20 2008
From: Setienne at enesco.com (Scott Etienne)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:29:20 -0500
Subject: IDM Install, Core Driver Set???
In-Reply-To: <167f4090810270824j21fac696hd9b95226a2409e19@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330810270753pa48c5do9bf0138b04e7c215@mail.gmail.com>
	<4905DBFC.6000504@oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<167f4090810270824j21fac696hd9b95226a2409e19@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490597FF.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>

IDM 3.5.1
OES2 Linux
eDirecotry 8.8.3
 
I have installed IDM 3.5.1 into our tree. The schema extensions and installation as a whole seemed to go fine. I am trying to input the activation key, but it looks like no Core Driver Set exists in the tree. The documentation covers creating new driver sets, but does not as a matter of process include the creation of the Primary Core Driver Set--it seems to assume that one exists already. As well, I am having difficulty finding documentation that illuminates the overview nor the details about the PCDS, and how to configure it.
 
Any pointers here greatly appreciated.
 
Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 
 

From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Mon Oct 27 15:31:13 2008
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:31:13 -0400
Subject: OT: teaming and Conferencing
In-Reply-To: <167f4090810270824j21fac696hd9b95226a2409e19@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OF81421633.49F7C5D1-ON852574EF.00550E95-852574EF.0055426E@lancaster.wnyric.org>

If you want to play with the teaming portion there was an offer on 
Novell's site for a free 20 user license of Teaming, no Conferencing 
though :-( 

http://www.novell.com/products/teaming/starterpack.html

I got my free license but have not had the opportunity to set it up yet.

T2



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On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Joe R. Doupnik
<joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
> Peter Van Lone wrote:
>> Anyone know whether there is a VM appliance that can be used as a T+C 
demo?

>     There is, but it is available only to Novell Partners. May I
>  suggest you find one from Novell's list of them and see if they can
> help you.


Ah therein lies the rub.  Finding a Novell partner that is local, and
has the required skills is a tall order these days.  Messman pretty
thoroughly destroyed the partner ecosystem.  :-(

Bill
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From geoffreycarman at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 15:31:40 2008
From: geoffreycarman at gmail.com (Geoffrey Carman)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:31:40 -0400
Subject: OT: teaming and Conferencing
In-Reply-To: <167f4090810270824j21fac696hd9b95226a2409e19@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330810270753pa48c5do9bf0138b04e7c215@mail.gmail.com>
	<4905DBFC.6000504@oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<167f4090810270824j21fac696hd9b95226a2409e19@mail.gmail.com>
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Well I am now working for a Novell Partner, in the New York City and
tri state area...  Computer Integrated Services of NY.

http://www.ciscony.com/ or  (Website is somewhat lame...)
212-577-6033 if you are interested.

If anyone is interested, you can always get in touch with me.  (Not
trying to be commercail on the list, only trying to answer a direct
request).



On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Bill Brush <bbrush at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Joe R. Doupnik
> <joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Peter Van Lone wrote:
>>> Anyone know whether there is a VM appliance that can be used as a T+C demo?
>
>>     There is, but it is available only to Novell Partners. May I
>>  suggest you find one from Novell's list of them and see if they can
>> help you.
>
>
> Ah therein lies the rub.  Finding a Novell partner that is local, and
> has the required skills is a tall order these days.  Messman pretty
> thoroughly destroyed the partner ecosystem.  :-(
>
> Bill
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From geoffreycarman at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 15:33:04 2008
From: geoffreycarman at gmail.com (Geoffrey Carman)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:33:04 -0400
Subject: IDM Install, Core Driver Set???
In-Reply-To: <490597FF.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
References: <68b791330810270753pa48c5do9bf0138b04e7c215@mail.gmail.com>
	<4905DBFC.6000504@oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<167f4090810270824j21fac696hd9b95226a2409e19@mail.gmail.com>
	<490597FF.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
Message-ID: <993788ac0810270833n57795b82h2159e673dd904fb7@mail.gmail.com>

There is no such thing as a Primary Core Driver Set... Beyond, the
first one you create...

Licensing is stored on the driver set object, and in fact the IDM
engine does not autoload until a server is added to a driver set...

So make yourself a driver set and place in the license code.

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Scott Etienne <Setienne at enesco.com> wrote:
> IDM 3.5.1
> OES2 Linux
> eDirecotry 8.8.3
>
> I have installed IDM 3.5.1 into our tree. The schema extensions and installation as a whole seemed to go fine. I am trying to input the activation key, but it looks like no Core Driver Set exists in the tree. The documentation covers creating new driver sets, but does not as a matter of process include the creation of the Primary Core Driver Set--it seems to assume that one exists already. As well, I am having difficulty finding documentation that illuminates the overview nor the details about the PCDS, and how to configure it.
>
> Any pointers here greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Scott Etienne
> Network Engineer
> Enesco, LLC
> setienne at enesco.com
>
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From Simon.Shilton at acustica.co.uk  Mon Oct 27 15:33:54 2008
From: Simon.Shilton at acustica.co.uk (Simon Shilton)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:33:54 +0000
Subject: [ngw] OT: teaming and Conferencing
In-Reply-To: <68b791330810270753pa48c5do9bf0138b04e7c215@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330810270753pa48c5do9bf0138b04e7c215@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4905DF61.3B39.00AB.0@acustica.co.uk>

Peter
 
yes, it is actually on the web page for the T+C Starter Pack, and comes with a starter manual in PDF and a movie which walk you through setting up the VM
 
http://www.novell.com/products/teaming/starterpack.html 
 
it works as well ! got my system up and running and linked to eDir via LDAP in about an hour
I have begun testing the docs bit, and basically you can use the web interface and/or WebDAV, with the inherent strengths/weaknesses that it brings along, but it does do version management, although less clear on details rights management as I haven't looked into it yet.
 
You "can" leave the docs where they are, and the T+C indexer will index them, you can then present a particular folder within T+C for a given T+C team workspace, you need to plan carefully as you can only link 3 external storage areas, I think, so if you have more than 3 storage volumes you may need to consolidate
 
you don't have to move the docs into T+C if you don't wish, see Admin Guide
 
Emails - don't know - you can link GW and T+C so you can email from GW to a T+C workspace, and visa versa, but I cant see it holding emails as a GW shared folder would do, for example
 
from what I have seen calendars is not fully integrated into GW, and neither is IM, however the personal and team calenders have iCal links, so you could import them to GW8
 
GW8 integrates much better with T+C v1.0.3 than GW7 - you can have workspaces in the GW nav tree, and GW8 integrated web panels means your T+C site can be seen from within GW
 
next major T+C release due early/mid 2009 and I understand this is big step towards where we may wish to be
 
My existing customers with similar requirements to yours use shared GW folders per project, and drop emails, notes, tasks, faxes phone messages into folder, along with doc shortcuts for GW DMS docs
 
I am not yet convinced T+C is a full featured replacement for this, but it does have key advantages - we could open it up to external partners and suppliers for individual projects, and would need GW or eDir licenses for them, we could build custom portlets to add links to thrid party apps such as accounts software via jdbc, we can setup workflow and process authorisation
 
I have been doing some initial testing and workflow design, but do not have a customer in production, so I would hardly claim to have crash tested it yet.
 
regards
Simon
 

>>> On 27 October 2008 at 14:53, in message <68b791330810270753pa48c5do9bf0138b04e7c215 at mail.gmail.com>, "Peter Van Lone" <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone know whether there is a VM appliance that can be used as a T+C demo?

Also .... anyone used this product as a doc man system? Does it work ok?

I've got a customer who uses Netware/GW. They are a manufacturing
company, and they have alot of projects that have to do with product
development. Each project has tons of documents. They would like to be
able to access documents by project, rather than by storage location
(currently they use a standard mapped drive to the main Netware file
server).

If they were to use T+C, would they be able to leave the docs where
they are, and T+C would simply index and present them? Or, would the
doc store have to be moved into a T+C storage area?

Is the interface such that they could login, then just seach for a
particular project code or name, and then see all the folders/docs
associated with that particular project?

What about emails, ect ... will it pull in email from GW that is
related to a project, or would that be a seperate step, like exporting
email to the T+C project?

What about calendar -- will meetings that have been scheduled in GW
for a project somehow be visible in T+C? Would we have to create
special project users/folders or something, or would calendars be
available as long as we setup the project in T+C and added users to
the project team?

Thnx ... I've been looking over the available docs, but per usual it
is either all marketing speak that says literally nothing, or just
"click here to do this, click there to do that".

Hoping someone else has actually used it, and can give a bit of low-down!


Peter



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From Simon.Shilton at acustica.co.uk  Mon Oct 27 15:41:02 2008
From: Simon.Shilton at acustica.co.uk (Simon Shilton)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:41:02 +0000
Subject: OT: teaming and Conferencing
In-Reply-To: <OF81421633.49F7C5D1-ON852574EF.00550E95-852574EF.0055426E@lancaster.wnyric.org>
References: <167f4090810270824j21fac696hd9b95226a2409e19@mail.gmail.com>
	<OF81421633.49F7C5D1-ON852574EF.00550E95-852574EF.0055426E@lancaster.wnyric.org>
Message-ID: <4905E10D.3B39.00AB.0@acustica.co.uk>

there's a support forum posting from somebody who has got his licensed Teaming setup, then installed the OSS Conferencing parts from Kablink as an add on :-)
http://tinyurl.com/6edx93
 
http://kablink.org/ - the new name for the OSS icecore version of T+C
 
Simon
 
 


>>> On 27 October 2008 at 15:31, in message <OF81421633.49F7C5D1-ON852574EF.00550E95-852574EF.0055426E at lancaster.wnyric.org>, <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> wrote:
If you want to play with the teaming portion there was an offer on 
Novell's site for a free 20 user license of Teaming, no Conferencing 
though :-( 

http://www.novell.com/products/teaming/starterpack.html 

I got my free license but have not had the opportunity to set it up yet.

T2



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On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Joe R. Doupnik
<joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
> Peter Van Lone wrote:
>> Anyone know whether there is a VM appliance that can be used as a T+C 
demo?

>     There is, but it is available only to Novell Partners. May I
>  suggest you find one from Novell's list of them and see if they can
> help you.


Ah therein lies the rub.  Finding a Novell partner that is local, and
has the required skills is a tall order these days.  Messman pretty
thoroughly destroyed the partner ecosystem.  :-(

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From petervl at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 16:03:01 2008
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:03:01 -0500
Subject: OT: teaming and Conferencing
In-Reply-To: <4905DBFC.6000504@oucs.ox.ac.uk>
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>
>     There is, but it is available only to Novell Partners. May I
>  suggest you find one from Novell's list of them and see if they can
> help you.
>      Joe D.

hahahahahahhahaha

My company is a Novell partner ... at least marginally, and for now.
But since we are forced to choose a partnership type, we did not go
with the workgroup stuff ...

Funny ... I'll have to see if I can finagle access to the full vm --
otehrwise my customer is likely to end up going sharepoint.

P

From bbrush at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 16:06:54 2008
From: bbrush at gmail.com (Bill Brush)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:06:54 -0500
Subject: OT: teaming and Conferencing
In-Reply-To: <68b791330810270903x137688c7vdc6d2c6fd611c21d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330810270753pa48c5do9bf0138b04e7c215@mail.gmail.com>
	<4905DBFC.6000504@oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<68b791330810270903x137688c7vdc6d2c6fd611c21d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <167f4090810270906q5066b7eay80f2f9dd5fa30f56@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>
> hahahahahahhahaha
>
> My company is a Novell partner ... at least marginally, and for now.
> But since we are forced to choose a partnership type, we did not go
> with the workgroup stuff ...
>
> Funny ... I'll have to see if I can finagle access to the full vm --
> otehrwise my customer is likely to end up going sharepoint.
>


I'll be interested to see how that turns out.  I know what I think
should happen, but I'm not sure that's what will happen.

Bill

From petervl at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 16:07:38 2008
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:07:38 -0500
Subject: OT: teaming and Conferencing
In-Reply-To: <4905E10D.3B39.00AB.0@acustica.co.uk>
References: <167f4090810270824j21fac696hd9b95226a2409e19@mail.gmail.com>
	<OF81421633.49F7C5D1-ON852574EF.00550E95-852574EF.0055426E@lancaster.wnyric.org>
	<4905E10D.3B39.00AB.0@acustica.co.uk>
Message-ID: <68b791330810270907o2a84b67fi6dea59b77c1d638c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Simon Shilton
<Simon.Shilton at acustica.co.uk> wrote:
> there's a support forum posting from somebody who has got his licensed Teaming setup, then installed the OSS Conferencing parts from Kablink as an add on :-)
> http://tinyurl.com/6edx93
>
> http://kablink.org/ - the new name for the OSS icecore version of T+C
>

thanx again, Simon ... I wonder if it is worth trying to integrate the
OSS version of conferencing? I really don't want to spend a ton of
time on an eval ... it would be much nicer if I could get my hands on
a full demo VM ...

Peter

From petervl at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 16:08:35 2008
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:08:35 -0500
Subject: OT: teaming and Conferencing
In-Reply-To: <167f4090810270906q5066b7eay80f2f9dd5fa30f56@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330810270753pa48c5do9bf0138b04e7c215@mail.gmail.com>
	<4905DBFC.6000504@oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<68b791330810270903x137688c7vdc6d2c6fd611c21d@mail.gmail.com>
	<167f4090810270906q5066b7eay80f2f9dd5fa30f56@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68b791330810270908idf8b264h646ea054eec2d10b@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Bill Brush <bbrush at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'll be interested to see how that turns out.  I know what I think
> should happen, but I'm not sure that's what will happen.
>
> Bill


I'll let the list know ... gonna make the call here shortly, to see
what I can get.

Peter

From Simon.Shilton at acustica.co.uk  Mon Oct 27 16:08:46 2008
From: Simon.Shilton at acustica.co.uk (Simon Shilton)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:08:46 +0000
Subject: OT: teaming and Conferencing
In-Reply-To: <68b791330810270903x137688c7vdc6d2c6fd611c21d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330810270753pa48c5do9bf0138b04e7c215@mail.gmail.com>
	<4905DBFC.6000504@oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<68b791330810270903x137688c7vdc6d2c6fd611c21d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4905E78D.3B39.00AB.0@acustica.co.uk>

Peter
 
no need to get carried away
 
>     There is, but it is available only to Novell Partners.
 
just isn't true !
 
see http://www.novell.com/products/teaming/starterpack.html 
 
Simon


>>> On 27 October 2008 at 16:03, in message <68b791330810270903x137688c7vdc6d2c6fd611c21d at mail.gmail.com>, "Peter Van Lone" <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     There is, but it is available only to Novell Partners. May I
>  suggest you find one from Novell's list of them and see if they can
> help you.
>      Joe D.

hahahahahahhahaha

My company is a Novell partner ... at least marginally, and for now.
But since we are forced to choose a partnership type, we did not go
with the workgroup stuff ...

Funny ... I'll have to see if I can finagle access to the full vm --
otehrwise my customer is likely to end up going sharepoint.

P
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From Simon.Shilton at acustica.co.uk  Mon Oct 27 16:11:04 2008
From: Simon.Shilton at acustica.co.uk (Simon Shilton)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:11:04 +0000
Subject: OT: teaming and Conferencing
In-Reply-To: <68b791330810270907o2a84b67fi6dea59b77c1d638c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <167f4090810270824j21fac696hd9b95226a2409e19@mail.gmail.com>
	<OF81421633.49F7C5D1-ON852574EF.00550E95-852574EF.0055426E@lancaster.wnyric.org>
	<4905E10D.3B39.00AB.0@acustica.co.uk>
	<68b791330810270907o2a84b67fi6dea59b77c1d638c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4905E817.3B39.00AB.0@acustica.co.uk>

Peter
 
I think I get it now - you conferencing demo as well?
 
ah !
 
Simon

>>> On 27 October 2008 at 16:07, in message <68b791330810270907o2a84b67fi6dea59b77c1d638c at mail.gmail.com>, "Peter Van Lone" <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Simon Shilton
<Simon.Shilton at acustica.co.uk> wrote:
> there's a support forum posting from somebody who has got his licensed Teaming setup, then installed the OSS Conferencing parts from Kablink as an add on :-)
> http://tinyurl.com/6edx93 
>
> http://kablink.org/ - the new name for the OSS icecore version of T+C
>

thanx again, Simon ... I wonder if it is worth trying to integrate the
OSS version of conferencing? I really don't want to spend a ton of
time on an eval ... it would be much nicer if I could get my hands on
a full demo VM ...

Peter
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From petervl at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 16:18:46 2008
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:18:46 -0500
Subject: OT: teaming and Conferencing
In-Reply-To: <4905E817.3B39.00AB.0@acustica.co.uk>
References: <167f4090810270824j21fac696hd9b95226a2409e19@mail.gmail.com>
	<OF81421633.49F7C5D1-ON852574EF.00550E95-852574EF.0055426E@lancaster.wnyric.org>
	<4905E10D.3B39.00AB.0@acustica.co.uk>
	<68b791330810270907o2a84b67fi6dea59b77c1d638c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4905E817.3B39.00AB.0@acustica.co.uk>
Message-ID: <68b791330810270918j1710dc0ctdb380fbaab60c97e@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Simon Shilton
<Simon.Shilton at acustica.co.uk> wrote:
> Peter
>
> I think I get it now - you conferencing demo as well?
>
> ah !
>

well that is what the customer would like to see ... the VP of
Engineering wants to look at both T+C to see whether it will make them
more efficient.

They are also considering upgrading to NOWS, and are wondering if the
Teaming version may make it worthwhile, and then they could add the
conferencing. Right now the biggest barrier to upgrading to NOW is
that it is much more expensive than simply keeping maintenance current
-- they get the full zenworks with it, but.... don't really need/want
it.

Sure would be nice if they could substitute the C for the full zenworks ...

P

From joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk  Mon Oct 27 16:24:26 2008
From: joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe Doupnik)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:24:26 +0000
Subject: OT: teaming and Conferencing
In-Reply-To: <68b791330810270903x137688c7vdc6d2c6fd611c21d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330810270753pa48c5do9bf0138b04e7c215@mail.gmail.com>
	<4905DBFC.6000504@oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<68b791330810270903x137688c7vdc6d2c6fd611c21d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081027162426.C62711C052@webmail219.herald.ox.ac.uk>

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From Sami.Kapanen at hamk.fi  Mon Oct 27 17:13:38 2008
From: Sami.Kapanen at hamk.fi (Sami Kapanen)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:13:38 +0200
Subject: OT: teaming and Conferencing
Message-ID: <490612E30200004E0003FC52@com-gwweb.hamk.fi>

Hi,

It has been awhile since we evaluated T+C, but here goes..

> they would like to be
> able to access documents by project, rather than by storage location
> (currently they use a standard mapped drive to the main Netware file
> server).
..
> Is the interface such that they could login, then just seach for a
> particular project code or name, and then see all the folders/docs
> associated with that particular project?

network drives are solid! 
maybe do some re-thinking about the folder hierarchy and that's it..
for indexing and searching, QuickFinder would give an easy solution.

> What about emails, ect ... will it pull in email from GW that is

Nope, don't think so.

> What about calendar -- will meetings that have been scheduled in GW
> for a project somehow be visible in T+C?

Nope, don't think so. Appointments from T+C goes to GW, but not the otherway.. it is not a real migration or sync :/


> Hoping someone else has actually used it, and can give a bit of low-down!

Setting the Teaming part for testing is quite simple. The Conferencing part is more tricky and then there was the hassle with the voiceboard hardware.

Teaming looked like a nice product to consolidate different wikis, blogs and teamspace solutions into one product. Conferencing looked quite awful.


-sk


From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Mon Oct 27 17:31:20 2008
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:31:20 -0400
Subject: OT: teaming and Conferencing
In-Reply-To: <490612E30200004E0003FC52@com-gwweb.hamk.fi>
Message-ID: <OF9A6D81EB.86BC7ABF-ON852574EF.005FB86D-852574EF.0060419B@lancaster.wnyric.org>

I downloaded the free 20 license Teaming Starter Pack and the application 
of the product for us would be to use Teaming in our school district to 
try and let teacher's classes share documents (homework assignments, 
collaborative class projects, etc.) and allow for blogs and/or wikis for 
teachers to use for different classes.  the hope would be to offer 
teachers templates to create workspaces for their classes and let them add 
students as appropriate.

Right now we have some teachers that share documents with each other and 
with students but the way we setup the directory structure makes it very 
time consuming to manage file structure and rights so we are trying to 
consolidate the storage of shared documents for classes to one location 
and to let the workspace manage rights.

Any comments from anyone on the use of teaming for this purpose and/or 
experiences?

Thanks. 

T2



"Sami Kapanen" <Sami.Kapanen at hamk.fi> 
Sent by: novell-bounces at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
10/27/2008 01:14 PM
Please respond to
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To
<novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
cc

Subject
Re: OT: teaming and Conferencing






Hi,

It has been awhile since we evaluated T+C, but here goes..

> they would like to be
> able to access documents by project, rather than by storage location
> (currently they use a standard mapped drive to the main Netware file
> server).
..
> Is the interface such that they could login, then just seach for a
> particular project code or name, and then see all the folders/docs
> associated with that particular project?

network drives are solid! 
maybe do some re-thinking about the folder hierarchy and that's it..
for indexing and searching, QuickFinder would give an easy solution.

> What about emails, ect ... will it pull in email from GW that is

Nope, don't think so.

> What about calendar -- will meetings that have been scheduled in GW
> for a project somehow be visible in T+C?

Nope, don't think so. Appointments from T+C goes to GW, but not the 
otherway.. it is not a real migration or sync :/


> Hoping someone else has actually used it, and can give a bit of 
low-down!

Setting the Teaming part for testing is quite simple. The Conferencing 
part is more tricky and then there was the hassle with the voiceboard 
hardware.

Teaming looked like a nice product to consolidate different wikis, blogs 
and teamspace solutions into one product. Conferencing looked quite awful.


-sk

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From Setienne at enesco.com  Mon Oct 27 18:30:03 2008
From: Setienne at enesco.com (Scott Etienne)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:30:03 -0500
Subject: IDM Install, Core Driver Set???
In-Reply-To: <993788ac0810270833n57795b82h2159e673dd904fb7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330810270753pa48c5do9bf0138b04e7c215@mail.gmail.com>
	<4905DBFC.6000504@oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<167f4090810270824j21fac696hd9b95226a2409e19@mail.gmail.com>
	<490597FF.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
	<993788ac0810270833n57795b82h2159e673dd904fb7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4905C25A.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>

It is possible or does it make sense to setup ADAM on AD for end-user file access on an MS NAS, or is the extra work to set it up not worth the effort?
 
 
Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 

 


>>> "Geoffrey Carman" <geoffreycarman at gmail.com> 10/27/2008 10:33 AM >>>
There is no such thing as a Primary Core Driver Set... Beyond, the
first one you create...

Licensing is stored on the driver set object, and in fact the IDM
engine does not autoload until a server is added to a driver set...

So make yourself a driver set and place in the license code.

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Scott Etienne <Setienne at enesco.com> wrote:
> IDM 3.5.1
> OES2 Linux
> eDirecotry 8.8.3
>
> I have installed IDM 3.5.1 into our tree. The schema extensions and installation as a whole seemed to go fine. I am trying to input the activation key, but it looks like no Core Driver Set exists in the tree. The documentation covers creating new driver sets, but does not as a matter of process include the creation of the Primary Core Driver Set--it seems to assume that one exists already. As well, I am having difficulty finding documentation that illuminates the overview nor the details about the PCDS, and how to configure it.
>
> Any pointers here greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Scott Etienne
> Network Engineer
> Enesco, LLC
> setienne at enesco.com 
>
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk 
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>



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From Steven.Aitken at nds8.co.uk  Mon Oct 27 19:15:09 2008
From: Steven.Aitken at nds8.co.uk (Steven Aitken)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:15:09 +0000
Subject: IDM Install, Core Driver Set???
In-Reply-To: <4906133D0200000700014A3C@mail2.nds8.com>
References: <4906133D0200000700014A39@mail2.nds8.com>
	<4906133D0200000700014A3C@mail2.nds8.com>
Message-ID: <4906133D0200000700014A3C@mail2.nds8.com>

Scott, what makes you think adam will be necessary? Presuming that your
nas can be pointed to use your AD as an authentication source, just
replicate your edir users over to AD land, and sync the passwords.

When the user attempts to access a nas share, it should lookup the
credentials in AD, and assuming your users authenticate to their
workstation using their edir username and password, the smb password the
client sends to the nas will match the AD password the NAS gets back
from AD... Hey presto, you have access to the share :-)

A word of warning on the AD driver however: beware multivalued edir
attributes that map to a single value in AD... If you have multi value
attributes in eDir, you'll either need to exclude these in the schema
map or write a rule to handle their transmission.

I'd also highly recommend setting your driver to log its output to a
file, initially using a level 4 trace. This will show you the actual xml
that your policy acts on and modifies. Will be invaluable during the
driver debug process..... Unless of course it just works first time.

Cheers,

Steve 
-----Original Message-----
From: "Scott Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com>
To: Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

Sent: 27/10/2008 18:30:03
Subject: Re: IDM Install, Core Driver Set???

It is possible or does it make sense to setup ADAM on AD for end-user
file access on an MS NAS, or is the extra work to set it up not worth
the effort?
 
 
Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 

 


>>> "Geoffrey Carman" <geoffreycarman at gmail.com> 10/27/2008 10:33 AM >>>
There is no such thing as a Primary Core Driver Set... Beyond, the
first one you create...

Licensing is stored on the driver set object, and in fact the IDM
engine does not autoload until a server is added to a driver set...

So make yourself a driver set and place in the license code.

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Scott Etienne <Setienne at enesco.com>
wrote:
> IDM 3.5.1
> OES2 Linux
> eDirecotry 8.8.3
>
> I have installed IDM 3.5.1 into our tree. The schema extensions and
installation as a whole seemed to go fine. I am trying to input the
activation key, but it looks like no Core Driver Set exists in the tree.
The documentation covers creating new driver sets, but does not as a
matter of process include the creation of the Primary Core Driver
Set--it seems to assume that one exists already. As well, I am having
difficulty finding documentation that illuminates the overview nor the
details about the PCDS, and how to configure it.
>
> Any pointers here greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Scott Etienne
> Network Engineer
> Enesco, LLC
> setienne at enesco.com 
>
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk 
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell 
>



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From James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com  Tue Oct 28 01:30:37 2008
From: James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com (James Taylor)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:30:37 -0400
Subject: IDM Install, Core Driver Set???
In-Reply-To: <490632AA.9252.0075.1@eastcobbgroup.com>
References: <4906133D0200000700014A39@mail2.nds8.com>
	<4906133D0200000700014A3C@mail2.nds8.com>
	<490632AA.9252.0075.1@eastcobbgroup.com>
Message-ID: <490632FD0200007500034416@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>

You might want to look at DSFW (Directory Services for WIndows). It will make your eDir appear to be an AD tree to apps that require it, so you wouldn't need to do any syncing.
-jt 
 

James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
678-697-9420
james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
http://www.eastcobbgroup.com







>>> "Steven Aitken" <Steven.Aitken at nds8.co.uk> 10/27/2008 03:15 PM >>> 
Scott, what makes you think adam will be necessary? Presuming that your
nas can be pointed to use your AD as an authentication source, just
replicate your edir users over to AD land, and sync the passwords.

When the user attempts to access a nas share, it should lookup the
credentials in AD, and assuming your users authenticate to their
workstation using their edir username and password, the smb password the
client sends to the nas will match the AD password the NAS gets back
from AD... Hey presto, you have access to the share :-)

A word of warning on the AD driver however: beware multivalued edir
attributes that map to a single value in AD... If you have multi value
attributes in eDir, you'll either need to exclude these in the schema
map or write a rule to handle their transmission.

I'd also highly recommend setting your driver to log its output to a
file, initially using a level 4 trace. This will show you the actual xml
that your policy acts on and modifies. Will be invaluable during the
driver debug process..... Unless of course it just works first time.

Cheers,

Steve 
-----Original Message-----
From: "Scott Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com>
To: Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

Sent: 27/10/2008 18:30:03
Subject: Re: IDM Install, Core Driver Set???

It is possible or does it make sense to setup ADAM on AD for end-user
file access on an MS NAS, or is the extra work to set it up not worth
the effort?
 
 
Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 

 


>>> "Geoffrey Carman" <geoffreycarman at gmail.com> 10/27/2008 10:33 AM >>>
There is no such thing as a Primary Core Driver Set... Beyond, the
first one you create...

Licensing is stored on the driver set object, and in fact the IDM
engine does not autoload until a server is added to a driver set...

So make yourself a driver set and place in the license code.

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Scott Etienne <Setienne at enesco.com>
wrote:
> IDM 3.5.1
> OES2 Linux
> eDirecotry 8.8.3
>
> I have installed IDM 3.5.1 into our tree. The schema extensions and
installation as a whole seemed to go fine. I am trying to input the
activation key, but it looks like no Core Driver Set exists in the tree.
The documentation covers creating new driver sets, but does not as a
matter of process include the creation of the Primary Core Driver
Set--it seems to assume that one exists already. As well, I am having
difficulty finding documentation that illuminates the overview nor the
details about the PCDS, and how to configure it.
>
> Any pointers here greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Scott Etienne
> Network Engineer
> Enesco, LLC
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From Setienne at enesco.com  Tue Oct 28 12:51:03 2008
From: Setienne at enesco.com (Scott Etienne)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:51:03 -0500
Subject: IDM Install, Core Driver Set???
In-Reply-To: <490632FD0200007500034416@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>
References: <4906133D0200000700014A39@mail2.nds8.com>
	<4906133D0200000700014A3C@mail2.nds8.com>
	<490632AA.9252.0075.1@eastcobbgroup.com>
	<490632FD0200007500034416@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>
Message-ID: <4906C466.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>

James,
 
Are you talking about Microsoft Windows Services for NetWare, or something else (who makes it)?
 
Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 

 


>>> "James Taylor" <James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com> 10/27/2008 8:30 PM >>>
You might want to look at DSFW (Directory Services for WIndows). It will make your eDir appear to be an AD tree to apps that require it, so you wouldn't need to do any syncing.
-jt 


James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
678-697-9420
james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com 
http://www.eastcobbgroup.com 







>>> "Steven Aitken" <Steven.Aitken at nds8.co.uk> 10/27/2008 03:15 PM >>> 
Scott, what makes you think adam will be necessary? Presuming that your
nas can be pointed to use your AD as an authentication source, just
replicate your edir users over to AD land, and sync the passwords.

When the user attempts to access a nas share, it should lookup the
credentials in AD, and assuming your users authenticate to their
workstation using their edir username and password, the smb password the
client sends to the nas will match the AD password the NAS gets back
from AD... Hey presto, you have access to the share :-)

A word of warning on the AD driver however: beware multivalued edir
attributes that map to a single value in AD... If you have multi value
attributes in eDir, you'll either need to exclude these in the schema
map or write a rule to handle their transmission.

I'd also highly recommend setting your driver to log its output to a
file, initially using a level 4 trace. This will show you the actual xml
that your policy acts on and modifies. Will be invaluable during the
driver debug process..... Unless of course it just works first time.

Cheers,

Steve 
-----Original Message-----
From: "Scott Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com>
To: Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

Sent: 27/10/2008 18:30:03
Subject: Re: IDM Install, Core Driver Set???

It is possible or does it make sense to setup ADAM on AD for end-user
file access on an MS NAS, or is the extra work to set it up not worth
the effort?


Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 




>>> "Geoffrey Carman" <geoffreycarman at gmail.com> 10/27/2008 10:33 AM >>>
There is no such thing as a Primary Core Driver Set... Beyond, the
first one you create...

Licensing is stored on the driver set object, and in fact the IDM
engine does not autoload until a server is added to a driver set...

So make yourself a driver set and place in the license code.

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Scott Etienne <Setienne at enesco.com>
wrote:
> IDM 3.5.1
> OES2 Linux
> eDirecotry 8.8.3
>
> I have installed IDM 3.5.1 into our tree. The schema extensions and
installation as a whole seemed to go fine. I am trying to input the
activation key, but it looks like no Core Driver Set exists in the tree.
The documentation covers creating new driver sets, but does not as a
matter of process include the creation of the Primary Core Driver
Set--it seems to assume that one exists already. As well, I am having
difficulty finding documentation that illuminates the overview nor the
details about the PCDS, and how to configure it.
>
> Any pointers here greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Scott Etienne
> Network Engineer
> Enesco, LLC
> setienne at enesco.com 
>
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk 
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell 
>



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From Setienne at enesco.com  Tue Oct 28 12:57:39 2008
From: Setienne at enesco.com (Scott Etienne)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:57:39 -0500
Subject: IDM Install, Core Driver Set???
In-Reply-To: <490632FD0200007500034416@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>
References: <4906133D0200000700014A39@mail2.nds8.com>
	<4906133D0200000700014A3C@mail2.nds8.com>
	<490632AA.9252.0075.1@eastcobbgroup.com>
	<490632FD0200007500034416@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>
Message-ID: <4906C5F1.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>

With eDirectory on Windows 2003, do the volumes of the Windows 2003 server get imported into eDirectory, and will I be able to assign rights there?
 
Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 

 


>>> "James Taylor" <James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com> 10/27/2008 8:30 PM >>>
You might want to look at DSFW (Directory Services for WIndows). It will make your eDir appear to be an AD tree to apps that require it, so you wouldn't need to do any syncing.
-jt 


James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
678-697-9420
james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com 
http://www.eastcobbgroup.com 







>>> "Steven Aitken" <Steven.Aitken at nds8.co.uk> 10/27/2008 03:15 PM >>> 
Scott, what makes you think adam will be necessary? Presuming that your
nas can be pointed to use your AD as an authentication source, just
replicate your edir users over to AD land, and sync the passwords.

When the user attempts to access a nas share, it should lookup the
credentials in AD, and assuming your users authenticate to their
workstation using their edir username and password, the smb password the
client sends to the nas will match the AD password the NAS gets back
from AD... Hey presto, you have access to the share :-)

A word of warning on the AD driver however: beware multivalued edir
attributes that map to a single value in AD... If you have multi value
attributes in eDir, you'll either need to exclude these in the schema
map or write a rule to handle their transmission.

I'd also highly recommend setting your driver to log its output to a
file, initially using a level 4 trace. This will show you the actual xml
that your policy acts on and modifies. Will be invaluable during the
driver debug process..... Unless of course it just works first time.

Cheers,

Steve 
-----Original Message-----
From: "Scott Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com>
To: Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

Sent: 27/10/2008 18:30:03
Subject: Re: IDM Install, Core Driver Set???

It is possible or does it make sense to setup ADAM on AD for end-user
file access on an MS NAS, or is the extra work to set it up not worth
the effort?


Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 




>>> "Geoffrey Carman" <geoffreycarman at gmail.com> 10/27/2008 10:33 AM >>>
There is no such thing as a Primary Core Driver Set... Beyond, the
first one you create...

Licensing is stored on the driver set object, and in fact the IDM
engine does not autoload until a server is added to a driver set...

So make yourself a driver set and place in the license code.

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Scott Etienne <Setienne at enesco.com>
wrote:
> IDM 3.5.1
> OES2 Linux
> eDirecotry 8.8.3
>
> I have installed IDM 3.5.1 into our tree. The schema extensions and
installation as a whole seemed to go fine. I am trying to input the
activation key, but it looks like no Core Driver Set exists in the tree.
The documentation covers creating new driver sets, but does not as a
matter of process include the creation of the Primary Core Driver
Set--it seems to assume that one exists already. As well, I am having
difficulty finding documentation that illuminates the overview nor the
details about the PCDS, and how to configure it.
>
> Any pointers here greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Scott Etienne
> Network Engineer
> Enesco, LLC
> setienne at enesco.com 
>
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk 
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell 
>



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From Setienne at enesco.com  Tue Oct 28 13:01:38 2008
From: Setienne at enesco.com (Scott Etienne)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:01:38 -0500
Subject: IDM Install, Core Driver Set???
In-Reply-To: <490632FD0200007500034416@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>
References: <4906133D0200000700014A39@mail2.nds8.com>
	<4906133D0200000700014A3C@mail2.nds8.com>
	<490632AA.9252.0075.1@eastcobbgroup.com>
	<490632FD0200007500034416@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>
Message-ID: <4906C6E1.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>

Don't forget, this server is Windows Storage Server 2003.

>>> "James Taylor" <James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com> 10/27/2008 8:30 PM >>>
You might want to look at DSFW (Directory Services for WIndows). It will make your eDir appear to be an AD tree to apps that require it, so you wouldn't need to do any syncing.
-jt 


James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
678-697-9420
james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com 
http://www.eastcobbgroup.com 







>>> "Steven Aitken" <Steven.Aitken at nds8.co.uk> 10/27/2008 03:15 PM >>> 
Scott, what makes you think adam will be necessary? Presuming that your
nas can be pointed to use your AD as an authentication source, just
replicate your edir users over to AD land, and sync the passwords.

When the user attempts to access a nas share, it should lookup the
credentials in AD, and assuming your users authenticate to their
workstation using their edir username and password, the smb password the
client sends to the nas will match the AD password the NAS gets back
from AD... Hey presto, you have access to the share :-)

A word of warning on the AD driver however: beware multivalued edir
attributes that map to a single value in AD... If you have multi value
attributes in eDir, you'll either need to exclude these in the schema
map or write a rule to handle their transmission.

I'd also highly recommend setting your driver to log its output to a
file, initially using a level 4 trace. This will show you the actual xml
that your policy acts on and modifies. Will be invaluable during the
driver debug process..... Unless of course it just works first time.

Cheers,

Steve 
-----Original Message-----
From: "Scott Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com>
To: Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

Sent: 27/10/2008 18:30:03
Subject: Re: IDM Install, Core Driver Set???

It is possible or does it make sense to setup ADAM on AD for end-user
file access on an MS NAS, or is the extra work to set it up not worth
the effort?


Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 




>>> "Geoffrey Carman" <geoffreycarman at gmail.com> 10/27/2008 10:33 AM >>>
There is no such thing as a Primary Core Driver Set... Beyond, the
first one you create...

Licensing is stored on the driver set object, and in fact the IDM
engine does not autoload until a server is added to a driver set...

So make yourself a driver set and place in the license code.

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Scott Etienne <Setienne at enesco.com>
wrote:
> IDM 3.5.1
> OES2 Linux
> eDirecotry 8.8.3
>
> I have installed IDM 3.5.1 into our tree. The schema extensions and
installation as a whole seemed to go fine. I am trying to input the
activation key, but it looks like no Core Driver Set exists in the tree.
The documentation covers creating new driver sets, but does not as a
matter of process include the creation of the Primary Core Driver
Set--it seems to assume that one exists already. As well, I am having
difficulty finding documentation that illuminates the overview nor the
details about the PCDS, and how to configure it.
>
> Any pointers here greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Scott Etienne
> Network Engineer
> Enesco, LLC
> setienne at enesco.com 
>
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk 
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell 
>



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From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Tue Oct 28 13:43:50 2008
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:43:50 -0400
Subject: IDM Install, Core Driver Set???
In-Reply-To: <4906C6E1.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
Message-ID: <OF400E1F0E.3961DB54-ON852574F0.00496B37-852574F0.004B6CF3@lancaster.wnyric.org>

Scott,

Directory Service for Windows (DSFW) is part of OES2 SP1 now in beta, 
http://www.novell.com/beta .  It lets eDirectory "emulate" a Windows AD 
domain for services that need AD interaction.  I believe that Windows 
shares can be assigned file rights via eDirectory or AD tools and are 
available to clients PCs with Novell client or Windows client.

Check out the beta, it may be a cost effective way to get your eDirectory 
users access to Windows and/or NAS shares.

Hope that didn't sound too much like a commercial.

T2



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Don't forget, this server is Windows Storage Server 2003.

>>> "James Taylor" <James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com> 10/27/2008 8:30 PM >>>
You might want to look at DSFW (Directory Services for WIndows). It will 
make your eDir appear to be an AD tree to apps that require it, so you 
wouldn't need to do any syncing.
-jt 


James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
678-697-9420
james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com 
http://www.eastcobbgroup.com 







>>> "Steven Aitken" <Steven.Aitken at nds8.co.uk> 10/27/2008 03:15 PM >>> 
Scott, what makes you think adam will be necessary? Presuming that your
nas can be pointed to use your AD as an authentication source, just
replicate your edir users over to AD land, and sync the passwords.

When the user attempts to access a nas share, it should lookup the
credentials in AD, and assuming your users authenticate to their
workstation using their edir username and password, the smb password the
client sends to the nas will match the AD password the NAS gets back
from AD... Hey presto, you have access to the share :-)

A word of warning on the AD driver however: beware multivalued edir
attributes that map to a single value in AD... If you have multi value
attributes in eDir, you'll either need to exclude these in the schema
map or write a rule to handle their transmission.

I'd also highly recommend setting your driver to log its output to a
file, initially using a level 4 trace. This will show you the actual xml
that your policy acts on and modifies. Will be invaluable during the
driver debug process..... Unless of course it just works first time.

Cheers,

Steve 
-----Original Message-----
From: "Scott Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com>
To: Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

Sent: 27/10/2008 18:30:03
Subject: Re: IDM Install, Core Driver Set???

It is possible or does it make sense to setup ADAM on AD for end-user
file access on an MS NAS, or is the extra work to set it up not worth
the effort?


Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 




>>> "Geoffrey Carman" <geoffreycarman at gmail.com> 10/27/2008 10:33 AM >>>
There is no such thing as a Primary Core Driver Set... Beyond, the
first one you create...

Licensing is stored on the driver set object, and in fact the IDM
engine does not autoload until a server is added to a driver set...

So make yourself a driver set and place in the license code.

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Scott Etienne <Setienne at enesco.com>
wrote:
> IDM 3.5.1
> OES2 Linux
> eDirecotry 8.8.3
>
> I have installed IDM 3.5.1 into our tree. The schema extensions and
installation as a whole seemed to go fine. I am trying to input the
activation key, but it looks like no Core Driver Set exists in the tree.
The documentation covers creating new driver sets, but does not as a
matter of process include the creation of the Primary Core Driver
Set--it seems to assume that one exists already. As well, I am having
difficulty finding documentation that illuminates the overview nor the
details about the PCDS, and how to configure it.
>
> Any pointers here greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Scott Etienne
> Network Engineer
> Enesco, LLC
> setienne at enesco.com 
>
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk 
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell 
>



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From sricketts at esitechadvisors.com  Tue Oct 28 14:13:56 2008
From: sricketts at esitechadvisors.com (Steve Ricketts)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:13:56 -0400
Subject: IDM Install, Core Driver Set???
In-Reply-To: <4906C6E1.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
References: <4906133D0200000700014A39@mail2.nds8.com><4906133D0200000700014A3C@mail2.nds8.com><490632AA.9252.0075.1@eastcobbgroup.com><490632FD0200007500034416@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>
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DSFW is part of OES2 SP1.



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[mailto:novell-bounces at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Scott Etienne
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:02 AM
To: novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
Subject: Re: IDM Install, Core Driver Set???

Don't forget, this server is Windows Storage Server 2003.

>>> "James Taylor" <James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com> 10/27/2008 8:30 PM
>>>
You might want to look at DSFW (Directory Services for WIndows). It will
make your eDir appear to be an AD tree to apps that require it, so you
wouldn't need to do any syncing.
-jt 


James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
678-697-9420
james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com 
http://www.eastcobbgroup.com 







>>> "Steven Aitken" <Steven.Aitken at nds8.co.uk> 10/27/2008 03:15 PM >>> 
Scott, what makes you think adam will be necessary? Presuming that your
nas can be pointed to use your AD as an authentication source, just
replicate your edir users over to AD land, and sync the passwords.

When the user attempts to access a nas share, it should lookup the
credentials in AD, and assuming your users authenticate to their
workstation using their edir username and password, the smb password the
client sends to the nas will match the AD password the NAS gets back
from AD... Hey presto, you have access to the share :-)

A word of warning on the AD driver however: beware multivalued edir
attributes that map to a single value in AD... If you have multi value
attributes in eDir, you'll either need to exclude these in the schema
map or write a rule to handle their transmission.

I'd also highly recommend setting your driver to log its output to a
file, initially using a level 4 trace. This will show you the actual xml
that your policy acts on and modifies. Will be invaluable during the
driver debug process..... Unless of course it just works first time.

Cheers,

Steve 
-----Original Message-----
From: "Scott Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com>
To: Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

Sent: 27/10/2008 18:30:03
Subject: Re: IDM Install, Core Driver Set???

It is possible or does it make sense to setup ADAM on AD for end-user
file access on an MS NAS, or is the extra work to set it up not worth
the effort?


Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 




>>> "Geoffrey Carman" <geoffreycarman at gmail.com> 10/27/2008 10:33 AM >>>
There is no such thing as a Primary Core Driver Set... Beyond, the
first one you create...

Licensing is stored on the driver set object, and in fact the IDM
engine does not autoload until a server is added to a driver set...

So make yourself a driver set and place in the license code.

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Scott Etienne <Setienne at enesco.com>
wrote:
> IDM 3.5.1
> OES2 Linux
> eDirecotry 8.8.3
>
> I have installed IDM 3.5.1 into our tree. The schema extensions and
installation as a whole seemed to go fine. I am trying to input the
activation key, but it looks like no Core Driver Set exists in the tree.
The documentation covers creating new driver sets, but does not as a
matter of process include the creation of the Primary Core Driver
Set--it seems to assume that one exists already. As well, I am having
difficulty finding documentation that illuminates the overview nor the
details about the PCDS, and how to configure it.
>
> Any pointers here greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Scott Etienne
> Network Engineer
> Enesco, LLC
> setienne at enesco.com 
>
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From dmoon at peru.k12.in.us  Tue Oct 28 21:16:21 2008
From: dmoon at peru.k12.in.us (Dave Moon)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:16:21 -0400
Subject: oop's recover files
Message-ID: <490756F6.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us>

I downed 3 old 5.1 servers and removed them from the tree on Friday.  Today we found two folders that apparently did not get copied prior to Friday that I need to recover.  

Any suggestions to reading the data.  

Dave

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Peru Community Schools
401 N. Broadway
Peru, IN 46970
765-473-3081
fax 765-472-5129



From Hatchellb at vvc.edu  Tue Oct 28 22:25:21 2008
From: Hatchellb at vvc.edu (Brian Hatchell)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:25:21 -0700
Subject: oop's recover files
In-Reply-To: <490756F6.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us>
References: <490756F6.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us>
Message-ID: <49072EE1.2FC1.0024.0@vvc.edu>

If you know what server they are on it is easy.  Add the servers to a new tree, login and retrieve your files!
 
Brian Hatchell
Network Manager
Victor Valley College
760 245-4271 x2792

"A good plan, violently executed now, is better than a perfect plan next week."
 
- General George S. Patton
 
Check my Blog at http://gwcal.vvc.edu/mplusextranet/scp.dll/blog?user=hatchellb 


>>> On 10/28/2008 at 2:16 PM, in message <490756F6.44EC.00EB.0 at peru.k12.in.us>, "Dave Moon" <dmoon at peru.k12.in.us> wrote:
I downed 3 old 5.1 servers and removed them from the tree on Friday.  Today we found two folders that apparently did not get copied prior to Friday that I need to recover.  

Any suggestions to reading the data.  

Dave

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From Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee  Wed Oct 29 11:50:19 2008
From: Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee (Alar Pandis)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:50:19 +0200
Subject: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ?
Message-ID: <00d201c939bc$84d694e0$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>

Hi!
Just curious -- has anyone some experiences with NoMachine NX on SLES 10 SP1
(as server) <-> Windows XP (as client)? I just need remote graphical access
to our SLES 10 SP1 server from Windows XP SP2, any other suggestions is very
welcome?
More thanks,
Alar.



From Thys at nwpg.gov.za  Wed Oct 29 12:09:39 2008
From: Thys at nwpg.gov.za (Thys de Beer)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:09:39 +0200
Subject: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ?
In-Reply-To: <00d201c939bc$84d694e0$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>
References: <00d201c939bc$84d694e0$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>
Message-ID: <49086EA3.7D39.0014.3@nwpg.gov.za>

Hi,
 
Is this for remote admin support to the server?......if so i just use vnc client on windows and enable vnc server on sles server....works gr8 for me...


>>> On 10/29/2008 at 1:50 PM, in message <00d201c939bc$84d694e0$8800000a at infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>, "Alar Pandis" <Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee> wrote:
Hi!
Just curious -- has anyone some experiences with NoMachine NX on SLES 10 SP1
(as server) <-> Windows XP (as client)? I just need remote graphical access
to our SLES 10 SP1 server from Windows XP SP2, any other suggestions is very
welcome?
More thanks,
Alar.


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From mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us  Wed Oct 29 12:20:42 2008
From: mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us (Matt Smith)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:20:42 -0400
Subject: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ?
In-Reply-To: <00d201c939bc$84d694e0$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>
References: <00d201c939bc$84d694e0$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>
Message-ID: <49081CD1.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>

>>> On 10/29/2008 at 7:50 AM, in message
<00d201c939bc$84d694e0$8800000a at infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>, "Alar Pandis"
<Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee> wrote:
> Hi!
> Just curious -- has anyone some experiences with NoMachine NX on SLES
10 SP1
> (as server) <-> Windows XP (as client)? I just need remote graphical
access
> to our SLES 10 SP1 server from Windows XP SP2, any other suggestions
is very
> welcome?
> More thanks,
> Alar.

I run FreeNX on most of my OES Linux boxes.  It just works.  

On a typical instal, you'll need to install Expect before installing
the FreeNX rpm's.  Then it's just 
nxsetup --install --setup-nomachine-key --clean --purge for a basic
"anybody can login" config.  FreeNX is actually a terminal server, for
what it's worth.

I shy away from the VNC "remote administration" that ships with SLES
because it uses clear text authentication.  FreeNX is encrypted.  It's
just been easier for me to set up.

You do have to use NoMachine's Windows Client to connect to FreeNX. 
The client is free of charge, last I checked.

-Matt


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Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685

From jetadmin at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 12:36:33 2008
From: jetadmin at gmail.com (Eric Rothweiler)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:36:33 -0400
Subject: OES2 Installation Options Question
In-Reply-To: <48F5B7EB.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
References: <01MZNHO6L10I8WYK58@cc.usu.edu> <48F5B7EB.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
Message-ID: <1d6cdac70810290536pe71d007x12305bf9c51523e2@mail.gmail.com>

The SLES print server is CUPS.  While it is IPP based it is not nearly as
friendy to the user or admin as iPrint.  I leave it off of all but one home
workstation to share it's local printer without using a 'real' print server
(like a JetDirect)

AppArmor is not used in many internal installations but also consumes very
little disk space.  I leave it in but I cannot see any harm in leaving it
out and adding back -if- you ever decide to use it.

Eric

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Scott Etienne <Setienne at enesco.com> wrote:

> I am building my first OES2 server. The server is going to be a
> eDirectory-based DNS / DHCP server, handle LDAP queries and an eDirectory RW
> Replica server. According to the doc, the default installation for SLES10SP1
> contains AppArmor, and Print Server. My gut reaction is that I don't need
> either of those. I think I want GNOME and X Windows for using various
> GUI-based utilities like YAST, firefox and file management, but I will set
> the default runlevel for the server at 3, and load it manually if needed.
>
> For what reason(s) would I or should I need AppArmor or Print Server?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Scott Etienne
> Network Engineer
> Enesco, LLC
> setienne at enesco.com
>
>
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From jetadmin at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 12:58:13 2008
From: jetadmin at gmail.com (Eric Rothweiler)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:58:13 -0400
Subject: OES2 Linux Remote access problems
In-Reply-To: <48F7042A.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
References: <48F6689B0200004E0003E0EE@com-gwweb.hamk.fi>
	<OF116A4616.2960EC06-ON852574E3.0069F1F6-852574E3.006A2312@lancaster.wnyric.org>
	<48F60F64.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
	<48F7000E.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
	<48F710A2.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
	<48F70334.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com> <48F7042A.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
Message-ID: <1d6cdac70810290558q69bc9cds5577e83125490880@mail.gmail.com>

The other 'work around' is to make sure your NIC zone is set to ineternal.
 External and DMZ zones use different firewall rules that will block SSH
unless manually told otherwise.

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Scott Etienne <Setienne at enesco.com> wrote:

> Oops! I DID turn off the firewall, but I did not change it to Manual, and
> so it must have just restarted itself as soon as I closed the yast dialogue
> box--kinda stupid. I would think if I left it automatic then it wouldn't
> restart itself until I rebooted the server.
>
> That was it!
>
> >>> "Scott Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com> 10/16/2008 9:02 AM >>>
> 10 SP1, and the firewall is already turned off.
>
> >>> "Matt Smith" <mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us> 10/16/2008 9:00 AM >>>
> >>> On 10/16/2008 at 9:49 AM, in message
> <48F7000E.8A77.004D.0 at enesco.com>, "Scott
> Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com> wrote:
> > Right now, I can't map a drive to root on this server. Novell only
> gives me
> > the pseudo-SYS volume, and even when I try to login as root, I am not
> able to
> > map to the root partition.
> >
> > I also cannot telnet nor ssh to the box, I get "Network error.
> Connection
> > timed out."
>
> Try turning the firewall off then re-trying everything.  The firewall
> exceptions should have been added automatically, but sometimes it just
> doesn't work.  I've even had a novell tech recommend that I not use the
> firewall.  If everything works after you turn off the firewall, at least
> you know where the problem is.
>
> BTW, you didn't install SP2 for SLES 10 on there did you?
>
> -Matt
> --
>
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> Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
> Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685
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From jetadmin at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 13:10:24 2008
From: jetadmin at gmail.com (Eric Rothweiler)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:10:24 -0400
Subject: OES 2 drive mapping question
In-Reply-To: <OF95316212.62DF54DF-ON852574E4.00495A94-852574E4.0049A914@lancaster.wnyric.org>
References: <20081016085633.GA14375@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<OF95316212.62DF54DF-ON852574E4.00495A94-852574E4.0049A914@lancaster.wnyric.org>
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I use LVM for all OS mount points except /boot and /swap.  We have default
mount point sizes that will accomodate the largest majority of servers
without adjustments and left over LVM space to be allocated where it might
be needed (/var, /tmp, usr, & /opt are the ones that can swing in size
needed according to the servers function)

I've never had a problem with a SUSE boot CD not including an LVM manager to
get to these partitions.

This did not hold true with OES1.  You were taking your servers life in your
hands if you used EVMS on your system partitions or used both LVM and EVMS
on the same system.  For those we just took a gamble and spread the extra
space across the more likely to increase mount points.

Last, as stated above, volume managers are not just about 'spanning disks',
often it is about dynamic resizing into the remaining space on the current
disk.  Don't let some folks assumptions decide how to manage your systems.

Eric

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:24 AM, <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> wrote:

> Joe,
>
> I have a question, are you recommending that / not be included in an LVM
> managed volume?  What if /boot and /swap are separate partitions and the
> rest is LVM managed?  Also, how do you feel about LVM managed volumes on
> virtual servers (specifically Xen with VDIs on iSCSI storage)?
>
> I consider myself fairly competent with Linux but i would like to hear the
> lists take on these issues.
>
> Thanks.
>
> T2
>
>
>
> "Joe R. Doupnik" <jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
> Sent by: novell-bounces at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> 10/16/2008 04:56 AM
> Please respond to
> Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
>
>
> To
> Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
> cc
>
> Subject
> Re: OES 2 drive mapping question
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 03:42:34PM -0400, Matt Smith wrote:
> > >>> On 10/15/2008 at 3:19 PM, in message
> >
> <
> OF116A4616.2960EC06-ON852574E3.0069F1F6-852574E3.006A2312 at lancaster.wnyric.org
> >
> >  <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> wrote:
> > > I think in the case of RAID you could just create 2 "containers" on
> > your
> > > raid, use one for system and one for data volumes, the RAID obscures
> > the
> > > actual physical drive for the purposes of segregating the OS and
> > data.
> > >
> > > I am sure Joe will correct me if I am wrong...now back to the OES2
> > SP1
> > > beta.
> > >
> > > T2
> >
> > This is exactly what I do with my RAID enabled systems.  We're not
> > talking physical disks necessarily, just what the OS sees as a disk.
> >
> > -Matt
> > --
> >
> > Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
> > Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
> > Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685
> ----------
>
>        That is all correct. It is awkward having two or more
> pseudo-drives,
> one for the o/s and others for data. Yet we are stuck with the situation
> until Linux evolves to include volume managers within the boot apparatus
> (including the installation CD/DVD).
>                 Story time on this. Years ago I used AT&T System V Unix,
> and I
> applied Veritas volume manager to the whole system. Veritas is good stuff.
> Alas, one not so fine day a problem occurred and the system would not
> boot.
> The boot floppies (no CDs in those days) had no volume manager support and
> hence the disks could not be read. The system was almost toast until I
> outwitted the problem and barely survived. Never again, I said then. We
> see
> the problem is not with Linux alone.
>                 A heads up on developments along this line. There is
> thinking that
> over time to evolve from using EVMS to LVM2. LVM2 has broader and deeper
> support these days. Thus you may wish to organize your disk apparatus to
> permit a rebuild. When doing this you may wish to keep in mind shadow
> volumes
> and what needs to be restored first.
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From jetadmin at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 13:16:22 2008
From: jetadmin at gmail.com (Eric Rothweiler)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:16:22 -0400
Subject: OES2 - linux - dhcp/dns probs
In-Reply-To: <413akgfuo8uraay.211020081605@mail2.scred.nl>
References: <413akgfuo8uraay.211020081605@mail2.scred.nl>
Message-ID: <1d6cdac70810290616n70a31e7bq8b9485f4ed6b48f0@mail.gmail.com>

Running BIND prior to 9.3, & disabling DDNS on the DNS server are the two
obvious things to check.
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Alexander Al <novell at scred.nl> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> my /var/log/warn gives me these messages:
>
> Oct 21 09:55:50 as7 dhcpd: unable to add reverse map from
> 47.2.99.10.in-addr.arpa. to ci3002.intranet.xxx.nl: timed out
> Oct 21 10:05:59 as7 dhcpd: unable to add reverse map from
> 162.2.99.10.in-addr.arpa. to e5915b.intranet.xxx.nl: timed out
> Oct 21 10:07:49 as7 dhcpd: unable to add reverse map from
> 93.2.99.10.in-addr.arpa. to ci9998.intranet.xxx.nl: timed out
>
> which indicates me that the dynamic DNS is not working. Is there any idea
> why this would occure?
>
> sincerely,
> Alexander. B ICT
>
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From Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee  Wed Oct 29 12:55:43 2008
From: Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee (Alar Pandis)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:55:43 +0200
Subject: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ?
Message-ID: <00d501c939c5$a7cefab0$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>

Hi again and thanks!
Yes. With VNC enabled I see just dotted screen!?
Alar.

Thys de Beer Thys at nwpg.gov.za Wed Oct 29 12:09:39 GMT 2008 

Hi,
 
Is this for remote admin support to the server?......if so i just use vnc
client on windows and enable vnc server on sles server....works gr8 for
me...


>>> On 10/29/2008 at 1:50 PM, in message <00d201c939bc$84d694e0$8800000a at
infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>, "Alar Pandis" <Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee> wrote:
Hi!
Just curious -- has anyone some experiences with NoMachine NX on SLES 10 SP1
(as server) <-> Windows XP (as client)? I just need remote graphical access
to our SLES 10 SP1 server from Windows XP SP2, any other suggestions is very
welcome?
More thanks,
Alar.



From joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk  Wed Oct 29 13:39:42 2008
From: joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe Doupnik)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:39:42 +0000
Subject: OES 2 drive mapping question
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From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Wed Oct 29 14:05:46 2008
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:05:46 -0400
Subject: OES 2 drive mapping question
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Eric,

Thanks for the response.  When putting up my test OES2 virtual boxes I 
used a /boot /swap and 1 big / partition and I rely on my backend storage 
system to give me more space when needed, I have heard that the / 
partition can be dynamically resized as of SLES10 SP2 but have not been 
able to resize / when mounted which makes more sense then being able to 
resize a / partition the fly.

I would prefer to use LVM which would make it extremely easy to resize any 
partition, just add space to the virtual disk, extend the LVM partition 
and assign space to Volumes as appropriate.  I am a little worried about 
introducing added complexity when it can be avoided.

I guess this is what a testing environment is all about.

Thanks for the insight and suggestions.

T2



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I use LVM for all OS mount points except /boot and /swap.  We have default
mount point sizes that will accomodate the largest majority of servers
without adjustments and left over LVM space to be allocated where it might
be needed (/var, /tmp, usr, & /opt are the ones that can swing in size
needed according to the servers function)

I've never had a problem with a SUSE boot CD not including an LVM manager 
to
get to these partitions.

This did not hold true with OES1.  You were taking your servers life in 
your
hands if you used EVMS on your system partitions or used both LVM and EVMS
on the same system.  For those we just took a gamble and spread the extra
space across the more likely to increase mount points.

Last, as stated above, volume managers are not just about 'spanning 
disks',
often it is about dynamic resizing into the remaining space on the current
disk.  Don't let some folks assumptions decide how to manage your systems.

Eric

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:24 AM, <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> wrote:

> Joe,
>
> I have a question, are you recommending that / not be included in an LVM
> managed volume?  What if /boot and /swap are separate partitions and the
> rest is LVM managed?  Also, how do you feel about LVM managed volumes on
> virtual servers (specifically Xen with VDIs on iSCSI storage)?
>
> I consider myself fairly competent with Linux but i would like to hear 
the
> lists take on these issues.
>
> Thanks.
>
> T2
>
>
>
> "Joe R. Doupnik" <jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
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> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 03:42:34PM -0400, Matt Smith wrote:
> > >>> On 10/15/2008 at 3:19 PM, in message
> >
> <
> 
OF116A4616.2960EC06-ON852574E3.0069F1F6-852574E3.006A2312 at lancaster.wnyric.org
> >
> >  <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> wrote:
> > > I think in the case of RAID you could just create 2 "containers" on
> > your
> > > raid, use one for system and one for data volumes, the RAID obscures
> > the
> > > actual physical drive for the purposes of segregating the OS and
> > data.
> > >
> > > I am sure Joe will correct me if I am wrong...now back to the OES2
> > SP1
> > > beta.
> > >
> > > T2
> >
> > This is exactly what I do with my RAID enabled systems.  We're not
> > talking physical disks necessarily, just what the OS sees as a disk.
> >
> > -Matt
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> > Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
> > Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
> > Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685
> ----------
>
>        That is all correct. It is awkward having two or more
> pseudo-drives,
> one for the o/s and others for data. Yet we are stuck with the situation
> until Linux evolves to include volume managers within the boot apparatus
> (including the installation CD/DVD).
>                 Story time on this. Years ago I used AT&T System V Unix,
> and I
> applied Veritas volume manager to the whole system. Veritas is good 
stuff.
> Alas, one not so fine day a problem occurred and the system would not
> boot.
> The boot floppies (no CDs in those days) had no volume manager support 
and
> hence the disks could not be read. The system was almost toast until I
> outwitted the problem and barely survived. Never again, I said then. We
> see
> the problem is not with Linux alone.
>                 A heads up on developments along this line. There is
> thinking that
> over time to evolve from using EVMS to LVM2. LVM2 has broader and deeper
> support these days. Thus you may wish to organize your disk apparatus to
> permit a rebuild. When doing this you may wish to keep in mind shadow
> volumes
> and what needs to be restored first.
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From Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee  Wed Oct 29 14:05:47 2008
From: Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee (Alar Pandis)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:05:47 +0200
Subject: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ?
In-Reply-To: <49081CD1.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
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Hi again! And thanks!
(1) So, I download these three rpm's,
(2) install in any order on server (using "Install Software"),
(3) then run from shell "nxsetup ..." as You described and
(4) install Windows client and ... voila?
Just to be sure!
More thanks, Alar.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Smith [mailto:mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:21 PM
To: Novell LAN Interest Group
Subject: Re: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ?

>>> On 10/29/2008 at 7:50 AM, in message
<00d201c939bc$84d694e0$8800000a at infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>, "Alar Pandis"
<Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee> wrote:
> Hi!
> Just curious -- has anyone some experiences with NoMachine NX on SLES
10 SP1
> (as server) <-> Windows XP (as client)? I just need remote graphical
access
> to our SLES 10 SP1 server from Windows XP SP2, any other suggestions
is very
> welcome?
> More thanks,
> Alar.

I run FreeNX on most of my OES Linux boxes.  It just works.  

On a typical instal, you'll need to install Expect before installing
the FreeNX rpm's.  Then it's just 
nxsetup --install --setup-nomachine-key --clean --purge for a basic
"anybody can login" config.  FreeNX is actually a terminal server, for
what it's worth.

I shy away from the VNC "remote administration" that ships with SLES
because it uses clear text authentication.  FreeNX is encrypted.  It's
just been easier for me to set up.

You do have to use NoMachine's Windows Client to connect to FreeNX. 
The client is free of charge, last I checked.

-Matt


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Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685




From mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us  Wed Oct 29 14:55:22 2008
From: mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us (Matt Smith)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:55:22 -0400
Subject: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ?
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>>> On 10/29/2008 at 10:05 AM, in message
<00eb01c939cf$71d22220$8800000a at infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>, "Alar Pandis"
<Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee> wrote:
> Hi again! And thanks!
> (1) So, I download these three rpm's,
> (2) install in any order on server (using "Install Software"),
> (3) then run from shell "nxsetup ..." as You described and
> (4) install Windows client and ... voila?
> Just to be sure!
> More thanks, Alar.

All I've need to install were the FreeNX rpm and the NX3-* rpm.  Then
run nxsetup.  I've never used the nxshell rpm.  I'm looking at the files
in http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/NX/SLE_10/i586/ 

The freenx rpm's come with the OpenSUSE distributions.  I forget where
I got mine.  I'm running FreeNX-0.7.1-6.1.i586 and NX3-3.0.0-47.1.i586
which are slightly older than the ones in the link above.  I'm running
the latest client software for Windows Xp from NoMachine.

Anyway, yeah, make sure you have expect on your system, install the
RPM's, run nxsetup, install the windows client and, as you say, viola! 
If you're running the firewall on your server, make sure that it is
allowing SSH traffic.  That's the port FreeNX uses.

-Matt

-- 

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Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685

From Simon.Shilton at acustica.co.uk  Wed Oct 29 15:01:15 2008
From: Simon.Shilton at acustica.co.uk (Simon Shilton)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:01:15 +0000
Subject: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ?
In-Reply-To: <49084119.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
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and if you want some real fun having Linux X windows apps floating in MS windows on your desktop, check out Xming
 
http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tip/18137.html 
 
it also tunnels through SSH
 
Simon


>>> On 29 October 2008 at 14:55, in message <49084119.E4C1.0068.0 at oconee.k12.ga.us>, "Matt Smith" <mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us> wrote:
>>> On 10/29/2008 at 10:05 AM, in message
<00eb01c939cf$71d22220$8800000a at infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>, "Alar Pandis"
<Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee> wrote:
> Hi again! And thanks!
> (1) So, I download these three rpm's,
> (2) install in any order on server (using "Install Software"),
> (3) then run from shell "nxsetup ..." as You described and
> (4) install Windows client and ... voila?
> Just to be sure!
> More thanks, Alar.

All I've need to install were the FreeNX rpm and the NX3-* rpm.  Then
run nxsetup.  I've never used the nxshell rpm.  I'm looking at the files
in http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/NX/SLE_10/i586/ 

The freenx rpm's come with the OpenSUSE distributions.  I forget where
I got mine.  I'm running FreeNX-0.7.1-6.1.i586 and NX3-3.0.0-47.1.i586
which are slightly older than the ones in the link above.  I'm running
the latest client software for Windows Xp from NoMachine.

Anyway, yeah, make sure you have expect on your system, install the
RPM's, run nxsetup, install the windows client and, as you say, viola! 
If you're running the firewall on your server, make sure that it is
allowing SSH traffic.  That's the port FreeNX uses.

-Matt

-- 

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Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
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From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Wed Oct 29 15:39:38 2008
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:39:38 -0400
Subject: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ?
In-Reply-To: <49087ABA.3B39.00AB.0@acustica.co.uk>
Message-ID: <OFB1B7846E.74B441FF-ON852574F1.0055B340-852574F1.005606BF@lancaster.wnyric.org>

I second that, I run Xming and when you combine it with SSH forwarding in 
an SSH client like Putty then you have the best of both worlds, use the 
command line but if you end up running a command or app with X output it 
will display right on your Windows box.

Can't say enough good things about Xming.

T2



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and if you want some real fun having Linux X windows apps floating in MS 
windows on your desktop, check out Xming
 
http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tip/18137.html 
 
it also tunnels through SSH
 
Simon


>>> On 29 October 2008 at 14:55, in message 
<49084119.E4C1.0068.0 at oconee.k12.ga.us>, "Matt Smith" 
<mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us> wrote:
>>> On 10/29/2008 at 10:05 AM, in message
<00eb01c939cf$71d22220$8800000a at infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>, "Alar Pandis"
<Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee> wrote:
> Hi again! And thanks!
> (1) So, I download these three rpm's,
> (2) install in any order on server (using "Install Software"),
> (3) then run from shell "nxsetup ..." as You described and
> (4) install Windows client and ... voila?
> Just to be sure!
> More thanks, Alar.

All I've need to install were the FreeNX rpm and the NX3-* rpm.  Then
run nxsetup.  I've never used the nxshell rpm.  I'm looking at the files
in http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/NX/SLE_10/i586/ 

The freenx rpm's come with the OpenSUSE distributions.  I forget where
I got mine.  I'm running FreeNX-0.7.1-6.1.i586 and NX3-3.0.0-47.1.i586
which are slightly older than the ones in the link above.  I'm running
the latest client software for Windows Xp from NoMachine.

Anyway, yeah, make sure you have expect on your system, install the
RPM's, run nxsetup, install the windows client and, as you say, viola! 
If you're running the firewall on your server, make sure that it is
allowing SSH traffic.  That's the port FreeNX uses.

-Matt

-- 

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Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685
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From Simon.Shilton at acustica.co.uk  Wed Oct 29 16:18:35 2008
From: Simon.Shilton at acustica.co.uk (Simon Shilton)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:18:35 +0000
Subject: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ?
In-Reply-To: <OFB1B7846E.74B441FF-ON852574F1.0055B340-852574F1.005606BF@lancaster.wnyric.org>
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and for all those text conf and script files, I also really like WinSCP for working on my Linux based files from my Windows PC
 
http://winscp.net/eng/index.php 
 
runs over SSH, file copy, move, transfer, upload, download and has a GUI editor !
 
Simon


>>> On 29 October 2008 at 15:39, in message <OFB1B7846E.74B441FF-ON852574F1.0055B340-852574F1.005606BF at lancaster.wnyric.org>, <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> wrote:
I second that, I run Xming and when you combine it with SSH forwarding in 
an SSH client like Putty then you have the best of both worlds, use the 
command line but if you end up running a command or app with X output it 
will display right on your Windows box.

Can't say enough good things about Xming.

T2



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and if you want some real fun having Linux X windows apps floating in MS 
windows on your desktop, check out Xming

http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tip/18137.html 

it also tunnels through SSH

Simon


>>> On 29 October 2008 at 14:55, in message 
<49084119.E4C1.0068.0 at oconee.k12.ga.us>, "Matt Smith" 
<mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us> wrote:
>>> On 10/29/2008 at 10:05 AM, in message
<00eb01c939cf$71d22220$8800000a at infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>, "Alar Pandis"
<Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee> wrote:
> Hi again! And thanks!
> (1) So, I download these three rpm's,
> (2) install in any order on server (using "Install Software"),
> (3) then run from shell "nxsetup ..." as You described and
> (4) install Windows client and ... voila?
> Just to be sure!
> More thanks, Alar.

All I've need to install were the FreeNX rpm and the NX3-* rpm.  Then
run nxsetup.  I've never used the nxshell rpm.  I'm looking at the files
in http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/NX/SLE_10/i586/ 

The freenx rpm's come with the OpenSUSE distributions.  I forget where
I got mine.  I'm running FreeNX-0.7.1-6.1.i586 and NX3-3.0.0-47.1.i586
which are slightly older than the ones in the link above.  I'm running
the latest client software for Windows Xp from NoMachine.

Anyway, yeah, make sure you have expect on your system, install the
RPM's, run nxsetup, install the windows client and, as you say, viola! 
If you're running the firewall on your server, make sure that it is
allowing SSH traffic.  That's the port FreeNX uses.

-Matt

-- 

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Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685
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From joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk  Wed Oct 29 16:28:13 2008
From: joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe Doupnik)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:28:13 +0000
Subject: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ?
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From Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee  Wed Oct 29 16:31:22 2008
From: Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee (Alar Pandis)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:31:22 +0200
Subject: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ? -- VNC dotted screen
Message-ID: <012e01c939e3$c7e060a0$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>

Hi again!
Ok, I understand, VNC is not suggested because plain text auth, but, just
curious, why after enabling Remote Management on SLES 10 SP1 and starting
TightVNC client from Windows XP workstation (or same via http) ... just
dotted screen with cursor appear!?
More thanks, Alar.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alar Pandis [mailto:Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:56 PM
To: 'Novell LAN Interest Group'
Subject: RE: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ?

Hi again and thanks!
Yes. With VNC enabled I see just dotted screen!?
Alar.

Thys de Beer Thys at nwpg.gov.za Wed Oct 29 12:09:39 GMT 2008 

Hi,
 
Is this for remote admin support to the server?......if so i just use vnc
client on windows and enable vnc server on sles server....works gr8 for
me...


>>> On 10/29/2008 at 1:50 PM, in message <00d201c939bc$84d694e0$8800000a at
infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>, "Alar Pandis" <Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee> wrote:
Hi!
Just curious -- has anyone some experiences with NoMachine NX on SLES 10 SP1
(as server) <-> Windows XP (as client)? I just need remote graphical access
to our SLES 10 SP1 server from Windows XP SP2, any other suggestions is very
welcome?
More thanks,
Alar.



From joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk  Wed Oct 29 16:41:38 2008
From: joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe R. Doupnik)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:41:38 +0000
Subject: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ? -- VNC dotted screen
In-Reply-To: <012e01c939e3$c7e060a0$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>
References: <012e01c939e3$c7e060a0$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>
Message-ID: <49089242.1020504@oucs.ox.ac.uk>

Alar Pandis wrote:
> Hi again!
> Ok, I understand, VNC is not suggested because plain text auth, but, just
> curious, why after enabling Remote Management on SLES 10 SP1 and starting
> TightVNC client from Windows XP workstation (or same via http) ... just
> dotted screen with cursor appear!?
> More thanks, Alar.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alar Pandis [mailto:Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:56 PM
> To: 'Novell LAN Interest Group'
> Subject: RE: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ?
>
> Hi again and thanks!
> Yes. With VNC enabled I see just dotted screen!?
> Alar.
>
> Thys de Beer Thys at nwpg.gov.za Wed Oct 29 12:09:39 GMT 2008 
>
> Hi,
>  
> Is this for remote admin support to the server?......if so i just use vnc
> client on windows and enable vnc server on sles server....works gr8 for
> me...
>
>
>   
>>>> On 10/29/2008 at 1:50 PM, in message <00d201c939bc$84d694e0$8800000a at
>>>>         
> infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>, "Alar Pandis" <Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee> wrote:
> Hi!
> Just curious -- has anyone some experiences with NoMachine NX on SLES 10 SP1
> (as server) <-> Windows XP (as client)? I just need remote graphical access
> to our SLES 10 SP1 server from Windows XP SP2, any other suggestions is very
> welcome?
> More thanks,
> Alar.
>   
--------------
      I presume you configured VNC in /etc/xinetd.d to offer the screen 
resolutions of use. Each
such refers to a different port number.
     Joe D.

From Steven.Aitken at nds8.co.uk  Wed Oct 29 16:44:47 2008
From: Steven.Aitken at nds8.co.uk (Steven Aitken)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:44:47 +0000
Subject: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ?
In-Reply-To: <490892FF0200000700014A57@mail2.nds8.com>
References: <490892FF0200000700014A54@mail2.nds8.com>
	<490892FF0200000700014A57@mail2.nds8.com>
Message-ID: <490892FF0200000700014A57@mail2.nds8.com>

You may also wish to consider using the hashlimit funtion of the
iptables firewall to limit the number of new connections an IP address
is allowed to make to the ssh port too, especially on internet facing
servers.

Combine this with public key only authentication to your ssh daemon.
Also, if you're using freenx, ensure that only the nx user can
authenticate via ssh public key, then configure the nx server to perform
a secondary logon as your real user with your real password.

I've seen this combo take the number of ssh login attempts down from
many thousand, to 10 or 20 per day. 

Steve 
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Doupnik  <joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk>
To: Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

Sent: 29/10/2008 16:28:13
Subject: RE: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ?

In message <49088CDA.3B39.00AB.0 at acustica.co.uk> Novell LAN Interest
Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> writes:
> and for all those text conf and script files, I also really like
WinSCP for working on my Linux based files from my Windows PC
>  
> http://winscp.net/eng/index.php 
>  
> runs over SSH, file copy, move, transfer, upload, download and has a
GUI editor !
>  
> Simon
---------
    An aspect to watch carefully is SSH. As most of us know, the bad
guys
consider SSH to be the number one target to probe extensively and nearly
continuously. Thus we need to firewall it to eliminate those unkind
folks
and take special care in its configuration (think thrice about allowing
forwarding etc). Trust not that PC down the hall on your network. Do
review
log files now and then.
    Joe D.
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From Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee  Wed Oct 29 17:04:35 2008
From: Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee (Alar Pandis)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:04:35 +0200
Subject: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ?
Message-ID: <015001c939e8$6befe6d0$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>

Hi and thanks!
Sorry, I misunderstood -- I thought You downloaded rpm's (server, node,
client) from
http://www.nomachine.com/select-package.php?os=linux&id=1
So I couldn't find nxsetup and thought this was something already on server.
Well, ok. I tried setup rpm's using "Install Software", but some
dependencies error appear! Expect I'd install.
Alar.

>>> Matt Smith mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us Wed Oct 29 14:55:22 GMT 2008 

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

>>> On 10/29/2008 at 10:05 AM, in message
<00eb01c939cf$71d22220$8800000a at infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>, "Alar Pandis"
<Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee> wrote:
> Hi again! And thanks!
> (1) So, I download these three rpm's,
> (2) install in any order on server (using "Install Software"),
> (3) then run from shell "nxsetup ..." as You described and
> (4) install Windows client and ... voila?
> Just to be sure!
> More thanks, Alar.

All I've need to install were the FreeNX rpm and the NX3-* rpm.  Then
run nxsetup.  I've never used the nxshell rpm.  I'm looking at the files
in http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/NX/SLE_10/i586/ 

The freenx rpm's come with the OpenSUSE distributions.  I forget where
I got mine.  I'm running FreeNX-0.7.1-6.1.i586 and NX3-3.0.0-47.1.i586
which are slightly older than the ones in the link above.  I'm running
the latest client software for Windows Xp from NoMachine.

Anyway, yeah, make sure you have expect on your system, install the
RPM's, run nxsetup, install the windows client and, as you say, viola! 
If you're running the firewall on your server, make sure that it is
allowing SSH traffic.  That's the port FreeNX uses.

-Matt

-- 

Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685



From Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee  Wed Oct 29 17:09:44 2008
From: Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee (Alar Pandis)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:09:44 +0200
Subject: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ? -- VNC dotted screen
Message-ID: <015101c939e9$240a7c80$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>

Hi again! And thanks!
I'd just install Windows client and enabled Remote Administration in YAsT
from server side! Nothing more. Sorry.
What I must to do to resolve this?
Alar.

>>> Joe R. Doupnik joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk Wed Oct 29 16:41:38 GMT 2008
<<<

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

Alar Pandis wrote:
> Hi again!
> Ok, I understand, VNC is not suggested because plain text auth, but, just
> curious, why after enabling Remote Management on SLES 10 SP1 and starting
> TightVNC client from Windows XP workstation (or same via http) ... just
> dotted screen with cursor appear!?
> More thanks, Alar.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alar Pandis [mailto:Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:56 PM
> To: 'Novell LAN Interest Group'
> Subject: RE: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ?
>
> Hi again and thanks!
> Yes. With VNC enabled I see just dotted screen!?
> Alar.
>
> Thys de Beer Thys at nwpg.gov.za Wed Oct 29 12:09:39 GMT 2008 
>
> Hi,
>  
> Is this for remote admin support to the server?......if so i just use vnc
> client on windows and enable vnc server on sles server....works gr8 for
> me...
>
>
>   
>>>> On 10/29/2008 at 1:50 PM, in message <00d201c939bc$84d694e0$8800000a at
>>>>         
> infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>, "Alar Pandis" <Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee> wrote:
> Hi!
> Just curious -- has anyone some experiences with NoMachine NX on SLES 10
SP1
> (as server) <-> Windows XP (as client)? I just need remote graphical
access
> to our SLES 10 SP1 server from Windows XP SP2, any other suggestions is
very
> welcome?
> More thanks,
> Alar.
>   
--------------
      I presume you configured VNC in /etc/xinetd.d to offer the screen 
resolutions of use. Each
such refers to a different port number.
     Joe D.



From mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us  Wed Oct 29 17:32:51 2008
From: mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us (Matt Smith)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:32:51 -0400
Subject: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ?
In-Reply-To: <015001c939e8$6befe6d0$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>
References: <015001c939e8$6befe6d0$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>
Message-ID: <49086602.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>

>>> On 10/29/2008 at 1:04 PM, in message
<015001c939e8$6befe6d0$8800000a at infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>, "Alar Pandis"
<Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee> wrote:
> Hi and thanks!
> Sorry, I misunderstood -- I thought You downloaded rpm's (server,
node,
> client) from
> http://www.nomachine.com/select-package.php?os=linux&id=1 
> So I couldn't find nxsetup and thought this was something already on
server.
> Well, ok. I tried setup rpm's using "Install Software", but some
> dependencies error appear! Expect I'd install.
> Alar.

The confusion is understandable.  NoMachine also offers their terminal
server for free I think, but it's different from FreeNX.  FreeNX is all
open source.  I honestly don't know if NoMachine is open source or not. 
I've never tried NoMachine's server, just their client.  

-Matt
-- 

Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685

From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk  Wed Oct 29 17:42:29 2008
From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe R. Doupnik)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:42:29 +0000
Subject: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ? -- VNC dotted screen
In-Reply-To: <015101c939e9$240a7c80$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>
References: <015101c939e9$240a7c80$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>
Message-ID: <20081029174229.GA29697@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 07:09:44PM +0200, Alar Pandis wrote:
> Hi again! And thanks!
> I'd just install Windows client and enabled Remote Administration in YAsT
> from server side! Nothing more. Sorry.
> What I must to do to resolve this?
> Alar.
---------------
     Again, look at file /etc/xinetd.d/vnc. Note the different clauses,
with comments. Enable those clauses which you wish to use (remove the
disable = yes line). Have xinetd operate, which means
     cd /etc/init.d
     chkconfig -a xinetd
     ./xinetd start
xinetd will be started now and also as the system boots.
    Then the remote VNC client can connect to one of the enabled ports
such as 5902 (which the client thinks of as port 2, but never mind that).
The 590x series are for direct VNC work, 580x are for web browsers, just
as the comments in the vnc file indicate.
    Very careful readers, there are such people, will observe that the
web browser sections refer to the 580x ports for coupling to the outside
world, plus the server is a vnc-to-http converter which in turn couples
internally to the 590x series for vnc protocol work.
    If this were simple then just about anyone could make it work, and
then where would we be?
    Joe D.


From Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee  Wed Oct 29 17:50:33 2008
From: Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee (Alar Pandis)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:50:33 +0200
Subject: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ?
Message-ID: <015b01c939ee$d7c9dc20$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>

Hi again! Thanks!
I'd install server side (I think), but when I access with client I get error
(I tried with root, well, same subnet behind firewall and nat)
---------------------
NX> 148 Server capacity: not reached for user: root
NX> 105 startsession  --link="lan" --backingstore="1" --encryption="1"
--cache="16M" --images="64M" --shmem="1" --shpix="1" --strict="0"
--composite="1" --media="0" --session="Infutik5" --type="unix-kde"
--geometry="1280x946" --client="winnt" --keyboard="pc102/en_US"
--screeninfo="1280x946x32+render" 

/usr/bin/nxserver: line 874: sessreg: command not found
NX> 280 Exiting on signal: 15
---------------------
Any ideas?
Alar.

>>> Matt Smith mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us Wed Oct 29 17:32:51 GMT 2008 <<<

>>> On 10/29/2008 at 1:04 PM "Alar Pandis" Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee> wrote:
> Hi and thanks!
> Sorry, I misunderstood -- I thought You downloaded rpm's (server,
node,
> client) from
> http://www.nomachine.com/select-package.php?os=linux&id=1 
> So I couldn't find nxsetup and thought this was something already on
server.
> Well, ok. I tried setup rpm's using "Install Software", but some
> dependencies error appear! Expect I'd install.
> Alar.

The confusion is understandable.  NoMachine also offers their terminal
server for free I think, but it's different from FreeNX.  FreeNX is all
open source.  I honestly don't know if NoMachine is open source or not. 
I've never tried NoMachine's server, just their client.  

-Matt
-- 

Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685



From Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee  Wed Oct 29 18:04:56 2008
From: Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee (Alar Pandis)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:04:56 +0200
Subject: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ?
Message-ID: <015c01c939f0$d9f3fd30$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>

Hi again!
Probably Id' something wrong
I tried setup again (I mean nxsetup command) and saw this:
-----------------------------
----> Testing your nxserver configuration ...
Warning: Could not find rdesktop in /usr/bin. RDP sessions won't work.
Warning: Could not find vncviewer in /usr/bin. VNC sessions won't work.
Warning: Invalid value
"COMMAND_FOOMATIC=/usr/lib/cups/driver/foomatic-ppdfile"
         Users will not be able to use foomatic.
Warning: Invalid value "COMMAND_START_KDE=startkde"
         Users will not be able to request a KDE session.
Warning: Invalid value "COMMAND_START_CDE=cdwm"
         Users will not be able to request a CDE session.
Warning: Invalid cupsd version of "/usr/sbin/cupsd". Need version 1.2.
         Users will not be able to enable printing.
  Warnings occured during config check.
  To enable these features please correct the configuration file.
<---- done 
-----------------------------
Alar.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alar Pandis [mailto:Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:51 PM
To: 'Novell LAN Interest Group'
Subject: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ?

Hi again! Thanks!
I'd install server side (I think), but when I access with client I get error
(I tried with root, well, same subnet behind firewall and nat)
---------------------
NX> 148 Server capacity: not reached for user: root
NX> 105 startsession  --link="lan" --backingstore="1" --encryption="1"
--cache="16M" --images="64M" --shmem="1" --shpix="1" --strict="0"
--composite="1" --media="0" --session="Infutik5" --type="unix-kde"
--geometry="1280x946" --client="winnt" --keyboard="pc102/en_US"
--screeninfo="1280x946x32+render" 

/usr/bin/nxserver: line 874: sessreg: command not found
NX> 280 Exiting on signal: 15
---------------------
Any ideas?
Alar.

>>> Matt Smith mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us Wed Oct 29 17:32:51 GMT 2008 <<<

>>> On 10/29/2008 at 1:04 PM "Alar Pandis" Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee> wrote:
> Hi and thanks!
> Sorry, I misunderstood -- I thought You downloaded rpm's (server,
node,
> client) from
> http://www.nomachine.com/select-package.php?os=linux&id=1 
> So I couldn't find nxsetup and thought this was something already on
server.
> Well, ok. I tried setup rpm's using "Install Software", but some
> dependencies error appear! Expect I'd install.
> Alar.

The confusion is understandable.  NoMachine also offers their terminal
server for free I think, but it's different from FreeNX.  FreeNX is all
open source.  I honestly don't know if NoMachine is open source or not. 
I've never tried NoMachine's server, just their client.  

-Matt
-- 

Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685



From mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us  Wed Oct 29 18:38:35 2008
From: mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us (Matt Smith)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:38:35 -0400
Subject: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ?
In-Reply-To: <015b01c939ee$d7c9dc20$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>
References: <015b01c939ee$d7c9dc20$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>
Message-ID: <4908756A.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>

>>> On 10/29/2008 at 1:50 PM, in message
<015b01c939ee$d7c9dc20$8800000a at infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>, "Alar Pandis"
<Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee> wrote:
> Hi again! Thanks!
> I'd install server side (I think), but when I access with client I
get error
> (I tried with root, well, same subnet behind firewall and nat)
> ---------------------
> NX> 148 Server capacity: not reached for user: root
> NX> 105 startsession  --link="lan" --backingstore="1"
--encryption="1"
> --cache="16M" --images="64M" --shmem="1" --shpix="1" --strict="0"
> --composite="1" --media="0" --session="Infutik5" --type="unix-kde"
> --geometry="1280x946" --client="winnt" --keyboard="pc102/en_US"
> --screeninfo="1280x946x32+render" 
> 
> /usr/bin/nxserver: line 874: sessreg: command not found
> NX> 280 Exiting on signal: 15
> ---------------------
> Any ideas?
> Alar.
> 

That's not an error I've seen before.  Honestly, the only time it
hasn't worked for me was when I forgot to open a hole in the server's
firewall for SSH.

-Matt
-- 

Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685

From Steven.Aitken at nds8.co.uk  Wed Oct 29 18:38:45 2008
From: Steven.Aitken at nds8.co.uk (Steven Aitken)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:38:45 +0000
Subject: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ?
In-Reply-To: <4908ADB50200000700014A5D@mail2.nds8.com>
References: <4908ADB50200000700014A5A@mail2.nds8.com>
	<4908ADB50200000700014A5D@mail2.nds8.com>
Message-ID: <4908ADB50200000700014A5D@mail2.nds8.com>

Looking at this again, your client session is attempting to connect to a
kdm desktop. Is the server using gnome?

Don't worry too much about the rest of the errors at the moment - they
can be fixed after you get your desktop session working.

Steve 
-----Original Message-----
From: "Alar Pandis" <Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee>
To: Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
To: Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.usu.edu>

Sent: 29/10/2008 18:04:56
Subject: RE: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ?

Hi again!
Probably Id' something wrong
I tried setup again (I mean nxsetup command) and saw this:
-----------------------------
----> Testing your nxserver configuration ...
Warning: Could not find rdesktop in /usr/bin. RDP sessions won't work.
Warning: Could not find vncviewer in /usr/bin. VNC sessions won't work.
Warning: Invalid value
"COMMAND_FOOMATIC=/usr/lib/cups/driver/foomatic-ppdfile"
         Users will not be able to use foomatic.
Warning: Invalid value "COMMAND_START_KDE=startkde"
         Users will not be able to request a KDE session.
Warning: Invalid value "COMMAND_START_CDE=cdwm"
         Users will not be able to request a CDE session.
Warning: Invalid cupsd version of "/usr/sbin/cupsd". Need version 1.2.
         Users will not be able to enable printing.
  Warnings occured during config check.
  To enable these features please correct the configuration file.
<---- done 
-----------------------------
Alar.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alar Pandis [mailto:Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:51 PM
To: 'Novell LAN Interest Group'
Subject: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ?

Hi again! Thanks!
I'd install server side (I think), but when I access with client I get
error
(I tried with root, well, same subnet behind firewall and nat)
---------------------
NX> 148 Server capacity: not reached for user: root
NX> 105 startsession  --link="lan" --backingstore="1" --encryption="1"
--cache="16M" --images="64M" --shmem="1" --shpix="1" --strict="0"
--composite="1" --media="0" --session="Infutik5" --type="unix-kde"
--geometry="1280x946" --client="winnt" --keyboard="pc102/en_US"
--screeninfo="1280x946x32+render" 

/usr/bin/nxserver: line 874: sessreg: command not found
NX> 280 Exiting on signal: 15
---------------------
Any ideas?
Alar.

>>> Matt Smith mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us Wed Oct 29 17:32:51 GMT 2008
<<<

>>> On 10/29/2008 at 1:04 PM "Alar Pandis" Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee>
wrote:
> Hi and thanks!
> Sorry, I misunderstood -- I thought You downloaded rpm's (server,
node,
> client) from
> http://www.nomachine.com/select-package.php?os=linux&id=1 
> So I couldn't find nxsetup and thought this was something already on
server.
> Well, ok. I tried setup rpm's using "Install Software", but some
> dependencies error appear! Expect I'd install.
> Alar.

The confusion is understandable.  NoMachine also offers their terminal
server for free I think, but it's different from FreeNX.  FreeNX is all
open source.  I honestly don't know if NoMachine is open source or not. 
I've never tried NoMachine's server, just their client.  

-Matt
-- 

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Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
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From petervl at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 18:58:57 2008
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:58:57 -0500
Subject: OT again -- Teaming + Conferencing
Message-ID: <68b791330810291158n2dee8cb4vc251a10def5ba958@mail.gmail.com>

I'm starting to like some of the things it looks like we can do with
Teaming. I'm not sure I love the interface, per se, but still it seems
to provide some functionality that will be appreciated. Much much more
testing to go.

But -- I am trying to figure out whether the Conferencing piece
integrates with a Cisco IP phone system. I see that there is a VOIP
bridge, and that it uses SIP once a channel is open -- so on it's
face, it would seem as though it SHOULD work with a Cisco setup.

But ... I surely would like some more certainty, before I jump in and
tell a customer that it will work.

Anyone know for sure, can you point me to the "supported phone
systems" link that I just can't seem to find?

Peter

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From sdjones at weberpl.lib.ut.us  Wed Oct 29 22:53:10 2008
From: sdjones at weberpl.lib.ut.us (Scott Jones)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:53:10 -0600
Subject: Advice needed
Message-ID: <490894E7.745E.0052.0@weberpl.lib.ut.us>

Well, it seems as though the worst has happened; to me anyway.

I have a NW6.5sp6 server that has a failing drive, it is drive 0 (of course), and the corrupt area is where NDS resides.
When I try to load NDS, the device deactivates.  I have done pool rebuilds on SYS and everything shows OK, so it must be at the hardware level.

This server is holds the master replica of my tree, is the CA authority, runs ZFD7, and time services for the network.
My backups don't contain anything from the SYS volume.

I have a new server waiting in the wings and ready to be loaded, from scratch.

What is my best course of action?

Promote another server to the master and then build the new server?
It seems as though a migration is out of the question.

TIA,
Scott


Scott D. Jones, CCNA, CNE, A+
Technology Director
Weber County Library System
2464 Jefferson Ave.
Ogden, UT   84401
v.801.337.2680
f.801.337.2680
sdjones at weberpl.org
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From petervl at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 23:02:20 2008
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:02:20 -0500
Subject: Advice needed
In-Reply-To: <490894E7.745E.0052.0@weberpl.lib.ut.us>
References: <490894E7.745E.0052.0@weberpl.lib.ut.us>
Message-ID: <68b791330810291602g81afef7v30627927d9f892b6@mail.gmail.com>

I think you have it right -- delete the server from the tree first --
I think you will have to do that before you can promote another
replica to master (though, find and go through the relevant TIDs
before doing anything).

Once you have a new master and the old server is cleared out and the
directory is fine, then just re-install a new server and
(unfortunately) re-install ZEN, etc ....

Peter

PS -- if you are current with maintenance, I think you should have
access to support incidents. Use them.

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Scott Jones <sdjones at weberpl.lib.ut.us> wrote:
> Well, it seems as though the worst has happened; to me anyway.
>
> I have a NW6.5sp6 server that has a failing drive, it is drive 0 (of course), and the corrupt area is where NDS resides.
> When I try to load NDS, the device deactivates.  I have done pool rebuilds on SYS and everything shows OK, so it must be at the hardware level.
>
> This server is holds the master replica of my tree, is the CA authority, runs ZFD7, and time services for the network.
> My backups don't contain anything from the SYS volume.
>
> I have a new server waiting in the wings and ready to be loaded, from scratch.
>
> What is my best course of action?
>
> Promote another server to the master and then build the new server?
> It seems as though a migration is out of the question.
>
> TIA,
> Scott
>
>
> Scott D. Jones, CCNA, CNE, A+
> Technology Director
> Weber County Library System
> 2464 Jefferson Ave.
> Ogden, UT   84401
> v.801.337.2680
> f.801.337.2680
> sdjones at weberpl.org
> http://www.weberpl.org
>
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From ducharme at escape.ca  Wed Oct 29 23:37:16 2008
From: ducharme at escape.ca (Mike Ducharme)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:37:16 -0500
Subject: Advice needed
In-Reply-To: <490894E7.745E.0052.0@weberpl.lib.ut.us>
References: <490894E7.745E.0052.0@weberpl.lib.ut.us>
Message-ID: <4908F3AC.8050804@escape.ca>

I might also suggest trying the Portlock imaging software.. I've used it 
to recover servers from similar situations.. If you have another hard 
drive that is large enough to hold the data, you can use that to image 
over to, then with the old server working again you can do a standard 
migration to the new one, or simply hook up the hard drive for the new 
server into the old one and do the imaging operation directly to the new 
server's hard disk and change the storage and network driver load lines 
as required.

Scott Jones wrote:
> Well, it seems as though the worst has happened; to me anyway.
>
> I have a NW6.5sp6 server that has a failing drive, it is drive 0 (of course), and the corrupt area is where NDS resides.
> When I try to load NDS, the device deactivates.  I have done pool rebuilds on SYS and everything shows OK, so it must be at the hardware level.
>
> This server is holds the master replica of my tree, is the CA authority, runs ZFD7, and time services for the network.
> My backups don't contain anything from the SYS volume.
>
> I have a new server waiting in the wings and ready to be loaded, from scratch.
>
> What is my best course of action?
>
> Promote another server to the master and then build the new server?
> It seems as though a migration is out of the question.
>
> TIA,
> Scott
>
>
> Scott D. Jones, CCNA, CNE, A+
> Technology Director
> Weber County Library System
> 2464 Jefferson Ave.
> Ogden, UT   84401
> v.801.337.2680
> f.801.337.2680
> sdjones at weberpl.org
> http://www.weberpl.org
>
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From petervl at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 02:56:08 2008
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:56:08 -0500
Subject: [ngw] OT: teaming and Conferencing
In-Reply-To: <4905DF61.3B39.00AB.0@acustica.co.uk>
References: <68b791330810270753pa48c5do9bf0138b04e7c215@mail.gmail.com>
	<4905DF61.3B39.00AB.0@acustica.co.uk>
Message-ID: <68b791330810291956o1d9cac92n86004642b03d66d3@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Simon Shilton
<Simon.Shilton at acustica.co.uk> wrote:
> Peter
>
> yes, it is actually on the web page for the T+C Starter Pack, and comes with
> a starter manual in PDF and a movie which walk you through setting up the VM
>
> http://www.novell.com/products/teaming/starterpack.html
>
> it works as well ! got my system up and running and linked to eDir via LDAP
> in about an hour

Simon ... thank you for this. I just have to ask: did you get your
test-drive image running in VMware ESX? Or did you use the player or
workstation or server?

I've just downloaded the danged thing, and it is NOT a virtual
appliance ...When I try to bring it into virtual center ("register
it") the process seems to complete, but then the VM is remains greyed
out and listed as "invalid".

Was this constructed for a specific VMware version, or something?

P

From nils-eivind.naas at samfunnsforskning.no  Thu Oct 30 09:15:23 2008
From: nils-eivind.naas at samfunnsforskning.no (Nils-Eivind Naas)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:15:23 +0100
Subject: Hardcoded translation of Re: in international versions of Groupwise?
	(Antw.: , SV: etc.)
Message-ID: <49097B2B.4060506@samfunnsforskning.no>

Hello all,

I have noticed contributions to this list which use the notorious Antw.:
and SV: replacements for Re: well-known in Microsoft Outlook.

Imagine my surprise when I parsed the raw format of some of these
messages and found that they originated from Groupwise 7.03 Web Access.

We are now considering extending maintenance on the "free" Groupwise
licenses awarded us by Novell in compensation for the sudden
disappearance of Netmail. We have not yet installed Groupwise as Netmail
is still working for us.

Is this "translation" of Re: hardcoded in the application, or is it
possible to configure the use of Re: in translated versions of Groupwise?

-- 
Nils-Eivind Naas
Institute for Social Research
Oslo

From joea at j4computers.com  Thu Oct 30 08:54:16 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 04:54:16 -0400
Subject: Hardcoded translation of Re: in international versions of
	Groupwise?(Antw.: , SV: etc.)
In-Reply-To: <49097B2B.4060506@samfunnsforskning.no>
References: <49097B2B.4060506@samfunnsforskning.no>
Message-ID: <49094C07.917D.0085.0@j4computers.com>

>>> On 10/30/2008 at 5:15 AM, Nils-Eivind Naas
<nils-eivind.naas at samfunnsforskning.no> wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I have noticed contributions to this list which use the notorious Antw.:
> and SV: replacements for Re: well-known in Microsoft Outlook.
> 
> Imagine my surprise when I parsed the raw format of some of these
> messages and found that they originated from Groupwise 7.03 Web Access.
> 
> We are now considering extending maintenance on the "free" Groupwise
> licenses awarded us by Novell in compensation for the sudden
> disappearance of Netmail. We have not yet installed Groupwise as Netmail
> is still working for us.
> 
> Is this "translation" of Re: hardcoded in the application, or is it
> possible to configure the use of Re: in translated versions of Groupwise?

You might want to be aware of a GW oriented list - www.ngwlist.com to subscribe.

joe a.


From Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee  Thu Oct 30 10:44:34 2008
From: Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee (Alar Pandis)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:44:34 +0200
Subject: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ? -- solved
In-Reply-To: <4908ADB50200000700014A5D@mail2.nds8.com>
References: <4908ADB50200000700014A5A@mail2.nds8.com><4908ADB50200000700014A5D@mail2.nds8.com>
	<4908ADB50200000700014A5D@mail2.nds8.com>
Message-ID: <013e01c93a7c$8016e6b0$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>

Hi again and thanks to everyone!
At least I managed to get remote picture. Yes, Gnome, but I tried everything
to get work.
Problem lies in nx conf-file line
COMMAND_SESSREG="sessreg"
-> need to change to
COMMAND_SESSREG="/usr/X11R6/bin/sessreg"
And ... voila!
I found it at
http://en.opensuse.org/FreeNX_Server_HOWTO
I'm not sure these other ERROR-line is something to worry about at all?
More thanks, Alar.

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Aitken [mailto:Steven.Aitken at nds8.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:39 PM
To: novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
Subject: Re: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ?

Looking at this again, your client session is attempting to connect to a
kdm desktop. Is the server using gnome?

Don't worry too much about the rest of the errors at the moment - they
can be fixed after you get your desktop session working.

Steve 
-----Original Message-----
From: "Alar Pandis" <Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee>
To: Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
To: Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.usu.edu>

Sent: 29/10/2008 18:04:56
Subject: RE: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ?

Hi again!
Probably Id' something wrong
I tried setup again (I mean nxsetup command) and saw this:
-----------------------------
----> Testing your nxserver configuration ...
Warning: Could not find rdesktop in /usr/bin. RDP sessions won't work.
Warning: Could not find vncviewer in /usr/bin. VNC sessions won't work.
Warning: Invalid value
"COMMAND_FOOMATIC=/usr/lib/cups/driver/foomatic-ppdfile"
         Users will not be able to use foomatic.
Warning: Invalid value "COMMAND_START_KDE=startkde"
         Users will not be able to request a KDE session.
Warning: Invalid value "COMMAND_START_CDE=cdwm"
         Users will not be able to request a CDE session.
Warning: Invalid cupsd version of "/usr/sbin/cupsd". Need version 1.2.
         Users will not be able to enable printing.
  Warnings occured during config check.
  To enable these features please correct the configuration file.
<---- done 
-----------------------------
Alar.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alar Pandis [mailto:Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:51 PM
To: 'Novell LAN Interest Group'
Subject: NoMachine NX etc. on SLES 10 SP1 ?

Hi again! Thanks!
I'd install server side (I think), but when I access with client I get
error
(I tried with root, well, same subnet behind firewall and nat)
---------------------
NX> 148 Server capacity: not reached for user: root
NX> 105 startsession  --link="lan" --backingstore="1" --encryption="1"
--cache="16M" --images="64M" --shmem="1" --shpix="1" --strict="0"
--composite="1" --media="0" --session="Infutik5" --type="unix-kde"
--geometry="1280x946" --client="winnt" --keyboard="pc102/en_US"
--screeninfo="1280x946x32+render" 

/usr/bin/nxserver: line 874: sessreg: command not found
NX> 280 Exiting on signal: 15
---------------------
Any ideas?
Alar.

>>> Matt Smith mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us Wed Oct 29 17:32:51 GMT 2008
<<<

>>> On 10/29/2008 at 1:04 PM "Alar Pandis" Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee>
wrote:
> Hi and thanks!
> Sorry, I misunderstood -- I thought You downloaded rpm's (server,
node,
> client) from
> http://www.nomachine.com/select-package.php?os=linux&id=1 
> So I couldn't find nxsetup and thought this was something already on
server.
> Well, ok. I tried setup rpm's using "Install Software", but some
> dependencies error appear! Expect I'd install.
> Alar.

The confusion is understandable.  NoMachine also offers their terminal
server for free I think, but it's different from FreeNX.  FreeNX is all
open source.  I honestly don't know if NoMachine is open source or not. 
I've never tried NoMachine's server, just their client.  

-Matt
-- 

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From lists at shuters.net  Thu Oct 30 16:56:34 2008
From: lists at shuters.net (Matthew Shuter)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:56:34 -0400
Subject: Advice needed
In-Reply-To: <4908F3AC.8050804@escape.ca>
References: <490894E7.745E.0052.0@weberpl.lib.ut.us>
	<4908F3AC.8050804@escape.ca>
Message-ID: <4909E742.1040008@shuters.net>

would reccomend you make sure the new hard drive is bigger than the 
current one...
   I was never able to get Portlock to take a 146GB drive to another 
146GB drive.... 
        even if trying to resize the partitions/pools/volumes/etc..

I recently replaced a hard drive in one of my servers this past 
weekend...   hardware failure, wasnt raid 1, sys volume is unable to 
mount...cant rebuild/verfiy/nothing...

it was a simple file/print/email/zen, with a read/write..
   removed it from the tree, deleted various objects.  waited a day, 
built server back, same name...
      copied files from the data pool, same drive, all but 2 files in 
groupwise message store
        surprisingly, all the file rights were still in place...didnt 
have to mess with them..
            did forget to setup bindery on the servers....as we have a 
Win3.1 machine that connects to it and is still a integral part of the 
building setup.

as said before, there are tids that deal with this...  read them through 
before proceeding.

Mike Ducharme wrote:
> I might also suggest trying the Portlock imaging software.. I've used it 
> to recover servers from similar situations.. If you have another hard 
> drive that is large enough to hold the data, you can use that to image 
> over to, then with the old server working again you can do a standard 
> migration to the new one, or simply hook up the hard drive for the new 
> server into the old one and do the imaging operation directly to the new 
> server's hard disk and change the storage and network driver load lines 
> as required.
>
> Scott Jones wrote:
>   
>> Well, it seems as though the worst has happened; to me anyway.
>>
>> I have a NW6.5sp6 server that has a failing drive, it is drive 0 (of course), and the corrupt area is where NDS resides.
>> When I try to load NDS, the device deactivates.  I have done pool rebuilds on SYS and everything shows OK, so it must be at the hardware level.
>>
>> This server is holds the master replica of my tree, is the CA authority, runs ZFD7, and time services for the network.
>> My backups don't contain anything from the SYS volume.
>>
>> I have a new server waiting in the wings and ready to be loaded, from scratch.
>>
>> What is my best course of action?
>>
>> Promote another server to the master and then build the new server?
>> It seems as though a migration is out of the question.
>>
>> TIA,
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> Scott D. Jones, CCNA, CNE, A+
>> Technology Director
>> Weber County Library System
>> 2464 Jefferson Ave.
>> Ogden, UT   84401
>> v.801.337.2680
>> f.801.337.2680
>> sdjones at weberpl.org
>> http://www.weberpl.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
>> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
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From HPfeil at uca.edu  Thu Oct 30 19:40:02 2008
From: HPfeil at uca.edu (Hans Pfeil)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:40:02 -0500
Subject: QuickFinder indexing Meta-data PDF's
Message-ID: <4909C741.6010.00BD.0@uca.edu>

Hello all, running NW6.5.7 w/QuickFinder 4.2. I'm new to this so I'll try to explain. Using Adobe Acrobat 9 Pro. I can enter xyz in the "keyword" (which is predefined in Acrobat) metadata field. Then index my directory. I then do a search on xyz and it comes up. But when I try to create a custom field and value such as student name = smith. Then Index. Then search on smith, I get nothing. Is there something in QuickFinder I need to set or something in Acrobat to make custom metadata fields searchable? I'm a tad confused.

Thanks
-Hans


From MollardM at mbc.qld.edu.au  Fri Oct 31 03:22:29 2008
From: MollardM at mbc.qld.edu.au (Michael Mollard)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:22:29 +1000
Subject: iChain build question?
Message-ID: <490B0694.E927.0018.0@mbc.qld.edu.au>

Hi all,
We are still running iChain 2.3 in our network.  We haven't yet setup Access manager, but do plan to move to it.  However, we are noticing performance hits on our existing iChain box, to the point where we need to act.  The iChain box is a low end piece of hardware, and we can't add any more RAM etc.  Our plan is to build a new iChain box, on better hardware, in parallel.  Once it is up and running, and tested, we would like to replicate/move the services across to the new box, and eventually decommission the old iChain server.

A few thoughts/questions..
-can I simply build a second iChain proxy server, and use the existing 'Authentication' already running on another server?
-Do I need a separate eDir ISO object?
-I don't really want load-balancing, so I don't think I need to tell the 2 boxes about each other for session/mutual auth etc?
-Even though our licence cert has expired (we are licenced for AM) should we be able to install the same licence onto a second box?

I'm trying to simply buy us some time while we take our time and do AM right.  I don't want to rush AM, and find out that we made some mistakes. (I also haven't had any training in AM yet, and that concerns me, from what I've heard about the product.)

I'm open to any thoughts or ideas/gotchas from the assembled wisdom on the list.

Thanks for taking the time.

Cheers,


Michael Mollard
Network Administrator
Moreton Bay College
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From Renee at wfse.org  Fri Oct 31 19:19:01 2008
From: Renee at wfse.org (Renee Hunter)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:19:01 -0700
Subject: OT:  Windows 2003 x64 and Netware Q Printing
Message-ID: <s90af7d0.093@mail.wfse.org>

Currently only 5.1.

>>> James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com 10/25/2008 8:35 PM >>>
I guess I missed that.
Is 5.1 the only version available at the site?
-jt
 

James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
678-697-9420
james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com 
http://www.eastcobbgroup.com 







>>> "joea at j4computers.com" <joea at j4computers.com> 10/25/2008 11:24 AM
>>> 
>>> On 10/25/2008 at 9:44 AM, "James Taylor"
<James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com>
wrote:
> Unfortunately, there is no 64bit winxp/2003 client.
> You can do some fairly sophisticated configuration  with command line
iPrint 
> utilities and we used a tool from we got from the Pcounter folks that
helped 
> us use iPrint to simulate windows share printing.
> And, of course,  iPrint doesn't need a Novell client.
> -jt
>

Iprint on NW 5.1?

joe a

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