From petervl at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 15:43:57 2008
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:43:57 -0500
Subject: what version of NW is this?
Message-ID: <68b791330809020743j66f559f8gff0b304aca8b9726@mail.gmail.com>

Gees ... sometimes the very simplest things ...

I asked a customer who has asked for assistance to let me know what
version of Netware they have.

Here is the question I emailed her, and the answer I got:

6.	What version of the Netware os for sure do you have (type "version"
at the server console, to find out)?

Answer: Server 5.6 July 6th 2002 Support Pak 2

???

She had previously told me that had Netware 6.0. Now, I get this. Did
she fat-finger what she saw on the console, and the server is Netware
6.5? Or, is this oddness how netware 5 reported itself?

What do you think? If I wait for her to provide clarity it will be
another 2 weeks before I get yet another muffled answer.

P

-- 



"Nothing works and nobody cares."
Woody Allen

http://xkcd.com/167/

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From smf34 at cam.ac.uk  Tue Sep  2 15:51:49 2008
From: smf34 at cam.ac.uk (Simon Flood)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:51:49 +0100
Subject: what version of NW is this?
In-Reply-To: <68b791330809020743j66f559f8gff0b304aca8b9726@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330809020743j66f559f8gff0b304aca8b9726@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48BD5305.6060708@cam.ac.uk>

On 02/09/2008 15:43, Peter Van Lone wrote:

> Answer: Server 5.6 July 6th 2002 Support Pak 2
> 
> ???
> 
> She had previously told me that had Netware 6.0. Now, I get this. Did
> she fat-finger what she saw on the console, and the server is Netware
> 6.5? Or, is this oddness how netware 5 reported itself?

NetWare 6.0 reports itself as 5.60 and NetWare 6.5 as 5.70.

Hope this helps,
Simon

From smf34 at cam.ac.uk  Tue Sep  2 15:55:13 2008
From: smf34 at cam.ac.uk (Simon Flood)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:55:13 +0100
Subject: what version of NW is this?
In-Reply-To: <48BD5305.6060708@cam.ac.uk>
References: <68b791330809020743j66f559f8gff0b304aca8b9726@mail.gmail.com>
	<48BD5305.6060708@cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <48BD53D1.5050908@cam.ac.uk>

On 02/09/2008 15:51, Simon Flood wrote:

> NetWare 6.0 reports itself as 5.60 and NetWare 6.5 as 5.70.

Further to this you might want to look at TID 10099637 though it doesn't 
explain why.

Hope this helps,
Simon

From petervl at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 16:16:43 2008
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 10:16:43 -0500
Subject: what version of NW is this?
In-Reply-To: <48BD53D1.5050908@cam.ac.uk>
References: <68b791330809020743j66f559f8gff0b304aca8b9726@mail.gmail.com>
	<48BD5305.6060708@cam.ac.uk> <48BD53D1.5050908@cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <68b791330809020816h3a32ebd7lddb1d3ae76150d7@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Simon Flood <smf34 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> On 02/09/2008 15:51, Simon Flood wrote:
>
>> NetWare 6.0 reports itself as 5.60 and NetWare 6.5 as 5.70.
>
> Further to this you might want to look at TID 10099637 though it doesn't
> explain why.

thanx! I don't remember ... is it possible to install a NW65 server
into a 6.0 tree? I suppose I would have to patch the thing to the last
available 6.0 patch ... hopefully that will be sufficient?

Peter

From rzeman at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 16:25:59 2008
From: rzeman at gmail.com (Rick Zeman)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:25:59 -0400
Subject: what version of NW is this?
In-Reply-To: <68b791330809020816h3a32ebd7lddb1d3ae76150d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330809020743j66f559f8gff0b304aca8b9726@mail.gmail.com>
	<48BD5305.6060708@cam.ac.uk> <48BD53D1.5050908@cam.ac.uk>
	<68b791330809020816h3a32ebd7lddb1d3ae76150d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79E550A0-E79E-4353-B78E-4C3C82603BA4@gmail.com>


On Sep 2, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Peter Van Lone wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Simon Flood <smf34 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>> On 02/09/2008 15:51, Simon Flood wrote:
>>
>>> NetWare 6.0 reports itself as 5.60 and NetWare 6.5 as 5.70.
>>
>> Further to this you might want to look at TID 10099637 though it  
>> doesn't
>> explain why.
>
> thanx! I don't remember ... is it possible to install a NW65 server
> into a 6.0 tree? I suppose I would have to patch the thing to the last
> available 6.0 patch ... hopefully that will be sufficient?

What version of DS does it have?  That's more important than the  
version of the NOS.  The two don't necessarily go hand in hand.




From petervl at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 16:32:36 2008
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 10:32:36 -0500
Subject: what version of NW is this?
In-Reply-To: <79E550A0-E79E-4353-B78E-4C3C82603BA4@gmail.com>
References: <68b791330809020743j66f559f8gff0b304aca8b9726@mail.gmail.com>
	<48BD5305.6060708@cam.ac.uk> <48BD53D1.5050908@cam.ac.uk>
	<68b791330809020816h3a32ebd7lddb1d3ae76150d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<79E550A0-E79E-4353-B78E-4C3C82603BA4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68b791330809020832w69df2df9r29b4521d8f42c3e@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Rick Zeman <rzeman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What version of DS does it have?  That's more important than the
> version of the NOS.  The two don't necessarily go hand in hand.
>

no idea ... though I'm quite sure from this person's over-all
presentation that this server has not been touched or upgraded since
it was installed.

Now, they want new hardware and a few new licenses, and for whatever
reason they want to upgrade product, too ... though they use the
server for absolutely nothing  but file services. All priinting is
direct to printer and there are not other services. They just want a
file server running some kind of anti-virus and backup.

I figure I'll need to patch to the latest, then do the tree prep from
the CD to update schema, then I should be able to install into the new
tree.

Gees, what a silly exercise ... I think the pricing on the "open
workgroup suite" is going to be too high, so I'll have to go straight
Netware, which may also be high ... sigh.

P

From James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com  Tue Sep  2 16:40:35 2008
From: James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com (James Taylor)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 11:40:35 -0400
Subject: what version of NW is this?
In-Reply-To: <48BD251C.9252.0075.1@eastcobbgroup.com>
References: <68b791330809020743j66f559f8gff0b304aca8b9726@mail.gmail.com>
	<48BD5305.6060708@cam.ac.uk> <48BD53D1.5050908@cam.ac.uk>
	<48BD251C.9252.0075.1@eastcobbgroup.com>
Message-ID: <48BD26330200007500030A56@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>

If there is only one, or a very few, server(s) in the tree, you might consider killing the the security container and letting the NW 6.5 server take on the role of the certificate server.  It will create all new security objects and, I believe, the system will be much happier.
Of course you'd want to run through sdidiag to clean up the server keys after ward, and I wouldn't be too surprised if the server certificates were close to expiration on the 6.0 server, so you might want to do the pkidiag, tckgen routine on it.

The biggest gotcha I've run into when introducing the first 6.5 server in a tree with 6.0 servers is if you are using CIFS or AFP.  The login methods for those apps changed between 6.0 and 6.5, and it can be a real mess to clean up.
 
-jt


James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
678-697-9420
james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
http://www.eastcobbgroup.com


>>> "Peter Van Lone" <petervl at gmail.com> 9/2/2008 11:16 AM >>> 
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Simon Flood <smf34 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> On 02/09/2008 15:51, Simon Flood wrote:
>
>> NetWare 6.0 reports itself as 5.60 and NetWare 6.5 as 5.70.
>
> Further to this you might want to look at TID 10099637 though it doesn't
> explain why.

thanx! I don't remember ... is it possible to install a NW65 server
into a 6.0 tree? I suppose I would have to patch the thing to the last
available 6.0 patch ... hopefully that will be sufficient?

Peter
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From smf34 at cam.ac.uk  Tue Sep  2 16:41:13 2008
From: smf34 at cam.ac.uk (Simon Flood)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:41:13 +0100
Subject: what version of NW is this?
In-Reply-To: <68b791330809020832w69df2df9r29b4521d8f42c3e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330809020743j66f559f8gff0b304aca8b9726@mail.gmail.com>	<48BD5305.6060708@cam.ac.uk>
	<48BD53D1.5050908@cam.ac.uk>	<68b791330809020816h3a32ebd7lddb1d3ae76150d7@mail.gmail.com>	<79E550A0-E79E-4353-B78E-4C3C82603BA4@gmail.com>
	<68b791330809020832w69df2df9r29b4521d8f42c3e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48BD5E99.4010601@cam.ac.uk>

On 02/09/2008 16:32, Peter Van Lone wrote:

> no idea ... though I'm quite sure from this person's over-all
> presentation that this server has not been touched or upgraded since
> it was installed.

In which case, according to TID 3800907, it might have DS 8.6.2 SP1 
(10320.29).

VERSION will give you the eDirectory version too - the two lines under 
the Server Version line you gave us earlier (just as the first line of 
the VERSION output tells you which NetWare version it is - just found 
this on an old NW6 server I'd forgotten about!).

Hope this helps,
Simon

From petervl at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 16:59:18 2008
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 10:59:18 -0500
Subject: anti-virus for newtare 6.5
Message-ID: <68b791330809020859p6c47c679m342937bb7e710e0c@mail.gmail.com>

what is the simplest to install, fire and forget it, anti-virus that
will run on a netware server?

I don't care about having an option to push updates to clients
(though, if possible, that would be fine as long as I don't need a
windows or other server to do it).

I'm pretty sure symantec no longer supports netware.

Does McAfee still have a product that you can buy, that will run on a
netware server?

What about Trend Micro?

Anyone have experience with any of these? (I have long-since just run
anti-virus as a managed desktop thing, and stopped doing any scanning
directly on the server ... works fine, but this customer wants server
scanning ...)

Any other suggestions/experiences?

Peter




-- 



"Nothing works and nobody cares."
Woody Allen

http://xkcd.com/167/

www.the-brights.net

From toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee  Tue Sep  2 17:12:27 2008
From: toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee (Toomas Aas)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:12:27 +0300
Subject: anti-virus for newtare 6.5
In-Reply-To: <68b791330809020859p6c47c679m342937bb7e710e0c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330809020859p6c47c679m342937bb7e710e0c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48BD65EB.5040609@raad.tartu.ee>

Peter Van Lone wrote:

> what is the simplest to install, fire and forget it, anti-virus that
> will run on a netware server?

I just installed Kaspersky Antivirus 5.7.2. The install wasn't anything 
complicated, but there is one Kaspersky support article which I had to 
follow afterwards, regarding NW65SP7:

http://support.kaspersky.com/faq/?qid=208279570

It integrates nicely into ConsoleOne, too. Has been working fine for 
couple of weeks now. I even scheduled it to do a full scan once a week.

--
Toomas Aas

From petervl at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 17:23:20 2008
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:23:20 -0500
Subject: anti-virus for newtare 6.5
In-Reply-To: <48BD65EB.5040609@raad.tartu.ee>
References: <68b791330809020859p6c47c679m342937bb7e710e0c@mail.gmail.com>
	<48BD65EB.5040609@raad.tartu.ee>
Message-ID: <68b791330809020923o2301def4ob28c3022f0c453c6@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Toomas Aas <toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee> wrote:

> I just installed Kaspersky Antivirus 5.7.2. The install wasn't anything
> complicated, but there is one Kaspersky support article which I had to
> follow afterwards, regarding NW65SP7:
>
> http://support.kaspersky.com/faq/?qid=208279570
>
> It integrates nicely into ConsoleOne, too. Has been working fine for
> couple of weeks now. I even scheduled it to do a full scan once a week.

huh -- looks interesting. Did you get it as part of the "business
space" or "enterprise space" package?

And, trying to suss through the marketing junk is a bit o' work ... it
sounds like  the product CAN push out a desktop client/and keep them
updated ... but does it require that you do this, or can you install
it just to scan the server by itself?

Did you push the client -- or do you have to install the clients by
hand, and then configure the server to manage them? If so, is the
interface for managing that process clean and simple? Is it on the
server, or do you have to install a management console piece on a
workstation?

THNX!

P

From Hatchellb at vvc.edu  Tue Sep  2 17:42:48 2008
From: Hatchellb at vvc.edu (Brian Hatchell)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 09:42:48 -0700
Subject: anti-virus for newtare 6.5
In-Reply-To: <48BD65EB.5040609@raad.tartu.ee>
References: <68b791330809020859p6c47c679m342937bb7e710e0c@mail.gmail.com>
	<48BD65EB.5040609@raad.tartu.ee>
Message-ID: <48BD0A9E.2FC1.0024.0@vvc.edu>

Sophos was real easy. 
 
Brian Hatchell
Network Manager
Victor Valley College
760 245-4271 x2792

"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor"
 
Albert Einstien
 
Check my Blog at http://gwcal.vvc.edu/mplusextranet/scp.dll/blog?user=hatchellb 


>>> On 9/2/2008 at 9:12 AM, in message <48BD65EB.5040609 at raad.tartu.ee>, Toomas Aas <toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee> wrote:
Peter Van Lone wrote:

> what is the simplest to install, fire and forget it, anti-virus that
> will run on a netware server?

I just installed Kaspersky Antivirus 5.7.2. The install wasn't anything 
complicated, but there is one Kaspersky support article which I had to 
follow afterwards, regarding NW65SP7:

http://support.kaspersky.com/faq/?qid=208279570 

It integrates nicely into ConsoleOne, too. Has been working fine for 
couple of weeks now. I even scheduled it to do a full scan once a week.

--
Toomas Aas
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From petervl at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 18:08:00 2008
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:08:00 -0500
Subject: anti-virus for newtare 6.5
In-Reply-To: <48BD0A9E.2FC1.0024.0@vvc.edu>
References: <68b791330809020859p6c47c679m342937bb7e710e0c@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Brian Hatchell <Hatchellb at vvc.edu> wrote:
> Sophos was real easy.

good to know ... does it need a management console on a workstation?

Is it capable of managing clients (but, that is not required)?

Can it push client side software, or does that have to be installed separately?

Peter

From Hatchellb at vvc.edu  Tue Sep  2 18:17:10 2008
From: Hatchellb at vvc.edu (Brian Hatchell)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:17:10 -0700
Subject: anti-virus for newtare 6.5
In-Reply-To: <68b791330809021008m39954d7bpfd8a6b37ee9d6188@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330809020859p6c47c679m342937bb7e710e0c@mail.gmail.com>
	<48BD65EB.5040609@raad.tartu.ee> <48BD0A9E.2FC1.0024.0@vvc.edu>
	<68b791330809021008m39954d7bpfd8a6b37ee9d6188@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48BD12AC.2FC1.0024.0@vvc.edu>

It does not manage through console except to set up updating of sigs from a Windows Server (only down side).  Netware servers cannot manage clients.
 
Brian Hatchell
Network Manager
Victor Valley College
760 245-4271 x2792

"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor"
 
Albert Einstien
 
Check my Blog at http://gwcal.vvc.edu/mplusextranet/scp.dll/blog?user=hatchellb 


>>> On 9/2/2008 at 10:08 AM, in message <68b791330809021008m39954d7bpfd8a6b37ee9d6188 at mail.gmail.com>, "Peter Van Lone" <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Brian Hatchell <Hatchellb at vvc.edu> wrote:
> Sophos was real easy.

good to know ... does it need a management console on a workstation?

Is it capable of managing clients (but, that is not required)?

Can it push client side software, or does that have to be installed separately?

Peter
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From Robrinsky at roillc.com  Tue Sep  2 18:29:38 2008
From: Robrinsky at roillc.com (Robert Obrinsky)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:29:38 -0400
Subject: anti-virus for newtare 6.5
Message-ID: <48BD1592.9F9C.006D.0@roillc.com>

I don't run AV on my Netware servers, but I think these two vendors still support this platform:
 
Sophos and Eset.
 
I really like Eset's NOD32 for my Windows platforms, but I have no experience with their NW product. I did, for a short time, run the Sophos program on one of my servers and it ran well.
 
I have had customers who ran Symantec's Norton AV for NW and it was a huge resource hog. So was CA's program.
 
HTH. 
 
Robert W. Obrinsky
President
Robert Obrinsky Industries, LLC
1425 NE 7th Avenue
Unit 201
Portland, OR 97232
503.719.4387 (Office)
203.273.7012 (Mobile)


>>> "Peter Van Lone" <petervl at gmail.com> 9/2/2008 8:59 AM >>>
what is the simplest to install, fire and forget it, anti-virus that
will run on a netware server?

I don't care about having an option to push updates to clients
(though, if possible, that would be fine as long as I don't need a
windows or other server to do it).

I'm pretty sure symantec no longer supports netware.

Does McAfee still have a product that you can buy, that will run on a
netware server?

What about Trend Micro?

Anyone have experience with any of these? (I have long-since just run
anti-virus as a managed desktop thing, and stopped doing any scanning
directly on the server ... works fine, but this customer wants server
scanning ...)

Any other suggestions/experiences?

Peter




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"Nothing works and nobody cares."
Woody Allen

http://xkcd.com/167/ 

www.the-brights.net 
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From Robrinsky at roillc.com  Tue Sep  2 17:17:31 2008
From: Robrinsky at roillc.com (Robert Obrinsky)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:17:31 -0400
Subject: anti-virus for newtare 6.5
In-Reply-To: <68b791330809020859p6c47c679m342937bb7e710e0c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330809020859p6c47c679m342937bb7e710e0c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48BD04AB.9F9C.006D.0@roillc.com>

I don't run AV on my Netware servers, but I think these two vendors still support this platform:
 
Sophos and Eset.
 
I really like Eset's NOD32 for my Windows platforms, but I have no experience with their NW product. I did, for a short time, run the Sophos program on one of my servers and it ran well.
 
I have had customers who ran Symantec's Norton AV for NW and it was a huge resource hog. So was CA's program.
 
HTH. 
 
Robert W. Obrinsky
President
Robert Obrinsky Industries, LLC
1425 NE 7th Avenue
Unit 201
Portland, OR 97232
503.719.4387 (Office)
203.273.7012 (Mobile)


>>> "Peter Van Lone" <petervl at gmail.com> 9/2/2008 8:59 AM >>>
what is the simplest to install, fire and forget it, anti-virus that
will run on a netware server?

I don't care about having an option to push updates to clients
(though, if possible, that would be fine as long as I don't need a
windows or other server to do it).

I'm pretty sure symantec no longer supports netware.

Does McAfee still have a product that you can buy, that will run on a
netware server?

What about Trend Micro?

Anyone have experience with any of these? (I have long-since just run
anti-virus as a managed desktop thing, and stopped doing any scanning
directly on the server ... works fine, but this customer wants server
scanning ...)

Any other suggestions/experiences?

Peter




-- 



"Nothing works and nobody cares."
Woody Allen

http://xkcd.com/167/ 

www.the-brights.net 
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From petervl at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 19:30:25 2008
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:30:25 -0500
Subject: anti-virus for newtare 6.5
In-Reply-To: <48BD12AC.2FC1.0024.0@vvc.edu>
References: <68b791330809020859p6c47c679m342937bb7e710e0c@mail.gmail.com>
	<48BD65EB.5040609@raad.tartu.ee> <48BD0A9E.2FC1.0024.0@vvc.edu>
	<68b791330809021008m39954d7bpfd8a6b37ee9d6188@mail.gmail.com>
	<48BD12AC.2FC1.0024.0@vvc.edu>
Message-ID: <68b791330809021130s763fe768r54206518071cc0b9@mail.gmail.com>

yikes .. requires a windows server to update sigs? Even it's own sigs,
or do you mean updating sigs for clients, if there are any?

Can the "windows server" be a workstation that just periodically runs
an update script?

P

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Brian Hatchell <Hatchellb at vvc.edu> wrote:
> It does not manage through console except to set up updating of sigs from a Windows Server (only down side).  Netware servers cannot manage clients.
>
> Brian Hatchell
> Network Manager
> Victor Valley College
> 760 245-4271 x2792
>
> "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor"
>
> Albert Einstien
>
> Check my Blog at http://gwcal.vvc.edu/mplusextranet/scp.dll/blog?user=hatchellb
>
>
>>>> On 9/2/2008 at 10:08 AM, in message <68b791330809021008m39954d7bpfd8a6b37ee9d6188 at mail.gmail.com>, "Peter Van Lone" <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Brian Hatchell <Hatchellb at vvc.edu> wrote:
>> Sophos was real easy.
>
> good to know ... does it need a management console on a workstation?
>
> Is it capable of managing clients (but, that is not required)?
>
> Can it push client side software, or does that have to be installed separately?
>
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From toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee  Tue Sep  2 20:14:12 2008
From: toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee (Toomas Aas)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:14:12 +0300
Subject: anti-virus for newtare 6.5
In-Reply-To: <68b791330809020923o2301def4ob28c3022f0c453c6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330809020859p6c47c679m342937bb7e710e0c@mail.gmail.com>	<48BD65EB.5040609@raad.tartu.ee>
	<68b791330809020923o2301def4ob28c3022f0c453c6@mail.gmail.com>
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Peter Van Lone wrote:

> huh -- looks interesting. Did you get it as part of the "business
> space" or "enterprise space" package?

Sorry, I'm not sure. We just bought a sh*tload of licenses for Windows 
desktops and then some for servers. I think they called it "Business 
Optimal". Regarding server license, it seems that the same license can be 
applied to both NW and Windows servers.

> 
> And, trying to suss through the marketing junk is a bit o' work ... it
> sounds like  the product CAN push out a desktop client/and keep them
> updated ... but does it require that you do this, or can you install
> it just to scan the server by itself?

In my case, the AV on Netware runs completely standalone. It is not aware 
of any Windows clients or other Kaspersky-related stuff that exists on the 
same network.

> Did you push the client -- or do you have to install the clients by
> hand, and then configure the server to manage them? If so, is the
> interface for managing that process clean and simple? Is it on the
> server, or do you have to install a management console piece on a
> workstation?

To centrally manage Kaspersky AV on desktops, you need a Windows machine. 
I'm not sure whether it must be Windows server, ours is. On this server 
you run the central management software which can be used to push out the 
clients to workstations, act as a central repository for AV updates etc 
etc. Administrators can access this central management system from 
management console which is installed on their local workstations (can 
also be installed on the server itself). Overall, I must say, it works 
pretty well.

This central management system can also manage KAV on NW servers, but I am 
not currently using this capability.

--
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... Jury -- Twelve people who determine which client has the better lawyer.

From Hatchellb at vvc.edu  Tue Sep  2 20:46:14 2008
From: Hatchellb at vvc.edu (Brian Hatchell)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:46:14 -0700
Subject: anti-virus for newtare 6.5
In-Reply-To: <68b791330809021130s763fe768r54206518071cc0b9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330809020859p6c47c679m342937bb7e710e0c@mail.gmail.com>
	<48BD65EB.5040609@raad.tartu.ee> <48BD0A9E.2FC1.0024.0@vvc.edu>
	<68b791330809021008m39954d7bpfd8a6b37ee9d6188@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <48BD359D.2FC1.0024.0@vvc.edu>

Both.  You have to configure each individual Novell Server as a destination for the updates, the NLM does automatically move them to the active directory once they are received in the update directory.  We update Windows boxes from a separately configured directory on a Netware box.  You need the Library app to run on the updating server, it can be WinXP it appears. .Feel free to call or ask more questions.
 
Brian Hatchell
Network Manager
Victor Valley College
760 245-4271 x2792

"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor"
 
Albert Einstien
 
Check my Blog at http://gwcal.vvc.edu/mplusextranet/scp.dll/blog?user=hatchellb 


>>> On 9/2/2008 at 11:30 AM, in message <68b791330809021130s763fe768r54206518071cc0b9 at mail.gmail.com>, "Peter Van Lone" <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
yikes .. requires a windows server to update sigs? Even it's own sigs,
or do you mean updating sigs for clients, if there are any?

Can the "windows server" be a workstation that just periodically runs
an update script?

P

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Brian Hatchell <Hatchellb at vvc.edu> wrote:
> It does not manage through console except to set up updating of sigs from a Windows Server (only down side).  Netware servers cannot manage clients.
>
> Brian Hatchell
> Network Manager
> Victor Valley College
> 760 245-4271 x2792
>
> "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor"
>
> Albert Einstien
>
> Check my Blog at http://gwcal.vvc.edu/mplusextranet/scp.dll/blog?user=hatchellb 
>
>
>>>> On 9/2/2008 at 10:08 AM, in message <68b791330809021008m39954d7bpfd8a6b37ee9d6188 at mail.gmail.com>, "Peter Van Lone" <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Brian Hatchell <Hatchellb at vvc.edu> wrote:
>> Sophos was real easy.
>
> good to know ... does it need a management console on a workstation?
>
> Is it capable of managing clients (but, that is not required)?
>
> Can it push client side software, or does that have to be installed separately?
>
> Peter
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From joea at j4computers.com  Tue Sep  2 21:14:19 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:14:19 -0400
Subject: anti-virus for newtare 6.5
Message-ID: <48BD665A020000850005E7F4@FS-LIN-OES>

You will be please to know that in addition to the simple update procedure, it is also
one of the highest priced products on the market.

They do make great deals for edu's, but, in the real world, they are rather inflexible.

I found Sophos to be a questionable "partner".  They had this helpful way of calling on clients to remind them of upcoming renewals, and mentioning "by the way" that "you can renew directly with us".

Nice.

joe a

>>> "Peter Van Lone" <petervl at gmail.com> 09/02/08 2:31 PM >>>
yikes .. requires a windows server to update sigs? Even it's own sigs,
or do you mean updating sigs for clients, if there are any?

Can the "windows server" be a workstation that just periodically runs
an update script?

P

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Brian Hatchell <Hatchellb at vvc.edu> wrote:
> It does not manage through console except to set up updating of sigs from a Windows Server (only down side).  Netware servers cannot manage clients.
>
> Brian Hatchell
> Network Manager
> Victor Valley College
> 760 245-4271 x2792
>
> "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor"
>
> Albert Einstien
>
> Check my Blog at http://gwcal.vvc.edu/mplusextranet/scp.dll/blog?user=hatchellb
>
>
>>>> On 9/2/2008 at 10:08 AM, in message <68b791330809021008m39954d7bpfd8a6b37ee9d6188 at mail.gmail.com>, "Peter Van Lone" <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Brian Hatchell <Hatchellb at vvc.edu> wrote:
>> Sophos was real easy.
>
> good to know ... does it need a management console on a workstation?
>
> Is it capable of managing clients (but, that is not required)?
>
> Can it push client side software, or does that have to be installed separately?
>
> Peter
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From petervl at gmail.com  Wed Sep  3 01:40:37 2008
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:40:37 -0500
Subject: anti-virus for newtare 6.5
In-Reply-To: <48BD359D.2FC1.0024.0@vvc.edu>
References: <68b791330809020859p6c47c679m342937bb7e710e0c@mail.gmail.com>
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	<68b791330809021008m39954d7bpfd8a6b37ee9d6188@mail.gmail.com>
	<48BD12AC.2FC1.0024.0@vvc.edu>
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	<48BD359D.2FC1.0024.0@vvc.edu>
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On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Brian Hatchell <Hatchellb at vvc.edu> wrote:
> Both.  You have to configure each individual Novell Server as a destination for the updates, the NLM does automatically move them to the active directory once they are received in the update directory.  We update Windows boxes from a separately configured directory on a Netware box.  You need the Library app to run on the updating server, it can be WinXP it appears. .Feel free to call or ask more questions.
>

OK, so you can use a winxp box to get the updates (on a scheduled
basis, I hope?) and then that same winxp box can push the updates to a
netware server (again, on a schedule, I hope)?

I suppose that is not too bad .. the server just happily runs as a
stand-alone, and then a process on the workstation pushes updates to
the server.

I suppose then  later, if you want, you could add workstations to this
whole thing, so that the solution to grow to protecting clients at
some point, if you wanted it to?

Peter

From petervl at gmail.com  Wed Sep  3 01:42:32 2008
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:42:32 -0500
Subject: anti-virus for newtare 6.5
In-Reply-To: <48BD665A020000850005E7F4@FS-LIN-OES>
References: <48BD665A020000850005E7F4@FS-LIN-OES>
Message-ID: <68b791330809021742n32d54cb9l7acff3787d70202b@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:14 PM, joea at j4computers.com
<joea at j4computers.com> wrote:

> Nice.

great ... so expensive and asshole-ish. Perfect. Sounds like McAfee,
which I think no longer makes a separately purchasable product for
Netware.

peter

From toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee  Wed Sep  3 11:47:17 2008
From: toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee (Toomas Aas)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:47:17 +0300
Subject: Moving from ZDM7 to ZCM10
Message-ID: <48BE6B35.7030202@raad.tartu.ee>

Hello!

Hopefully someone can answer this quick question -

Our current infrastructure is NW65SP7 servers (eDir 8.7.3), one of which 
acts as a back-end server for Zenworks 7 Desktop Management. Knowing that 
the server components of ZCM10 do not run on Netware I initially thought 
that the only way to get ZCM10 is to upgrade from NW65 to OES2 and then 
install ZCM10 on one of these OES/Linux servers.

However, having read the migration guide it is beginning to look like I 
could just put up a plain SLES server, install ZCM10 to that and then 
"point" it to our existing eDirectory (Netware) servers. Is this correct?

-- 
Toomas Aas --------------------------------------------------------
|arvutiv?rgu peaspetsialist | head specialist on computer networks|
|Tartu Linnakantselei       | Tartu City Office                   |
skype: toomas_aas ----------------------------------- +372 736 1274


From Simon.Pollard at barnet.ac.uk  Wed Sep  3 11:55:38 2008
From: Simon.Pollard at barnet.ac.uk (Simon Pollard)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:55:38 +0100
Subject: Moving from ZDM7 to ZCM10
In-Reply-To: <48BE6B35.7030202@raad.tartu.ee>
References: <48BE6B35.7030202@raad.tartu.ee>
Message-ID: <EDB47A2F10617E4095AE70CBBC723F610166011A@oak.bc-ad.barnet.ac.uk>

That's my understanding (without having actually tried it). It's pretty clear they intend ZCM10 to be usable without any other Novell infrastructure (uses its own database, uses any LDAP source for user information).

-- 
  Simon Pollard
  IT Services, Barnet College

-----Original Message-----
From: novell-bounces at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk [mailto:novell-bounces at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Toomas Aas
Sent: 03 September 2008 11:47
To: Novell LAN Interest Group
Subject: Moving from ZDM7 to ZCM10

Hello!

Hopefully someone can answer this quick question -

Our current infrastructure is NW65SP7 servers (eDir 8.7.3), one of which 
acts as a back-end server for Zenworks 7 Desktop Management. Knowing that 
the server components of ZCM10 do not run on Netware I initially thought 
that the only way to get ZCM10 is to upgrade from NW65 to OES2 and then 
install ZCM10 on one of these OES/Linux servers.

However, having read the migration guide it is beginning to look like I 
could just put up a plain SLES server, install ZCM10 to that and then 
"point" it to our existing eDirectory (Netware) servers. Is this correct?

-- 
Toomas Aas --------------------------------------------------------
|arvutiv?rgu peaspetsialist | head specialist on computer networks|
|Tartu Linnakantselei       | Tartu City Office                   |
skype: toomas_aas ----------------------------------- +372 736 1274

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From sricketts at esitechadvisors.com  Wed Sep  3 12:34:01 2008
From: sricketts at esitechadvisors.com (Steve Ricketts)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 07:34:01 -0400
Subject: Moving from ZDM7 to ZCM10
References: <48BE6B35.7030202@raad.tartu.ee>
	<EDB47A2F10617E4095AE70CBBC723F610166011A@oak.bc-ad.barnet.ac.uk>
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Yup, you are correct.  ZCM is a completely different animal.  Can work with eDir, AD or No DIr!  10.l release just came out and the product is finally starting to shape up.  It has been a bit of a rough road up to 10.1 but things are looking up now! :)

Steve


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wed 9/3/2008 06:55 AM
To: Novell LAN Interest Group
Subject: RE: Moving from ZDM7 to ZCM10
 
That's my understanding (without having actually tried it). It's pretty clear they intend ZCM10 to be usable without any other Novell infrastructure (uses its own database, uses any LDAP source for user information).

-- 
  Simon Pollard
  IT Services, Barnet College

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 03 September 2008 11:47
To: Novell LAN Interest Group
Subject: Moving from ZDM7 to ZCM10

Hello!

Hopefully someone can answer this quick question -

Our current infrastructure is NW65SP7 servers (eDir 8.7.3), one of which 
acts as a back-end server for Zenworks 7 Desktop Management. Knowing that 
the server components of ZCM10 do not run on Netware I initially thought 
that the only way to get ZCM10 is to upgrade from NW65 to OES2 and then 
install ZCM10 on one of these OES/Linux servers.

However, having read the migration guide it is beginning to look like I 
could just put up a plain SLES server, install ZCM10 to that and then 
"point" it to our existing eDirectory (Netware) servers. Is this correct?

-- 
Toomas Aas --------------------------------------------------------
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From jdustin at usm.maine.edu  Wed Sep  3 14:22:12 2008
From: jdustin at usm.maine.edu (Jon Dustin)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 09:22:12 -0400
Subject: Moving from ZDM7 to ZCM10
Message-ID: <48BE5744.6C9D.008D.0@usm.maine.edu>

>>> On 9/3/2008 at 6:47 AM, Toomas Aas <toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee> wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> Hopefully someone can answer this quick question -
> 
> Our current infrastructure is NW65SP7 servers (eDir 8.7.3), one of which 
> acts as a back-end server for Zenworks 7 Desktop Management. Knowing that 
> the server components of ZCM10 do not run on Netware I initially thought 
> that the only way to get ZCM10 is to upgrade from NW65 to OES2 and then 
> install ZCM10 on one of these OES/Linux servers.
> 
> However, having read the migration guide it is beginning to look like I 
> could just put up a plain SLES server, install ZCM10 to that and then 
> "point" it to our existing eDirectory (Netware) servers. Is this correct?


Yes. In fact this is the exact tactic we took for installing ZCM. It runs on a SLES10SP2 box quite well.

Good luck!


From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Wed Sep  3 14:42:19 2008
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:42:19 -0400
Subject: Moving from ZDM7 to ZCM10
In-Reply-To: <48BE5744.6C9D.008D.0@usm.maine.edu>
Message-ID: <OF9CB46DA7.78ADC40E-ON852574B9.004AFD69-852574B9.004B499E@lancaster.wnyric.org>

We are planning a ZCM deployment this year and I am wondering whether 
anyone has any experience using the Business Object Reporting engine with 
ZCM installed on SLES10?  The documentation made it sound like if you 
wanted to use the Business Objects reporting you need to install ZCM on 
Windows, at least that is how I read it but feel free to make me a liar.

Thanks.

T2



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>>> On 9/3/2008 at 6:47 AM, Toomas Aas <toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee> wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> Hopefully someone can answer this quick question -
> 
> Our current infrastructure is NW65SP7 servers (eDir 8.7.3), one of which 

> acts as a back-end server for Zenworks 7 Desktop Management. Knowing 
that 
> the server components of ZCM10 do not run on Netware I initially thought 

> that the only way to get ZCM10 is to upgrade from NW65 to OES2 and then 
> install ZCM10 on one of these OES/Linux servers.
> 
> However, having read the migration guide it is beginning to look like I 
> could just put up a plain SLES server, install ZCM10 to that and then 
> "point" it to our existing eDirectory (Netware) servers. Is this 
correct?


Yes. In fact this is the exact tactic we took for installing ZCM. It runs 
on a SLES10SP2 box quite well.

Good luck!

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From sricketts at esitechadvisors.com  Wed Sep  3 14:47:14 2008
From: sricketts at esitechadvisors.com (Steve Ricketts)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:47:14 -0400
Subject: Moving from ZDM7 to ZCM10
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Check the requirement of BOR stuff with the 10.1 release.  I know with the architecture change from 10.0.2 to 10.0.3 and 10.1 there is some different setup requirements if you are wanting to use that feature.
 
Thanks,
Steve
 

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We are planning a ZCM deployment this year and I am wondering whether
anyone has any experience using the Business Object Reporting engine with
ZCM installed on SLES10?  The documentation made it sound like if you
wanted to use the Business Objects reporting you need to install ZCM on
Windows, at least that is how I read it but feel free to make me a liar.

Thanks.

T2



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>>> On 9/3/2008 at 6:47 AM, Toomas Aas <toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee> wrote:
> Hello!
>
> Hopefully someone can answer this quick question -
>
> Our current infrastructure is NW65SP7 servers (eDir 8.7.3), one of which

> acts as a back-end server for Zenworks 7 Desktop Management. Knowing
that
> the server components of ZCM10 do not run on Netware I initially thought

> that the only way to get ZCM10 is to upgrade from NW65 to OES2 and then
> install ZCM10 on one of these OES/Linux servers.
>
> However, having read the migration guide it is beginning to look like I
> could just put up a plain SLES server, install ZCM10 to that and then
> "point" it to our existing eDirectory (Netware) servers. Is this
correct?


Yes. In fact this is the exact tactic we took for installing ZCM. It runs
on a SLES10SP2 box quite well.

Good luck!

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From jgramse at utah.gov  Wed Sep  3 20:29:50 2008
From: jgramse at utah.gov (Jim Gramse)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:29:50 -0600
Subject: anti-virus for newtare 6.5
In-Reply-To: <68b791330809020859p6c47c679m342937bb7e710e0c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330809020859p6c47c679m342937bb7e710e0c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48BE914D.3F60.0076.0@utah.gov>

CA eTrust?

>>> "Peter Van Lone" <petervl at gmail.com> 9/2/2008 9:59 AM >>>
what is the simplest to install, fire and forget it, anti-virus that
will run on a netware server?

I don't care about having an option to push updates to clients
(though, if possible, that would be fine as long as I don't need a
windows or other server to do it).

I'm pretty sure symantec no longer supports netware.

Does McAfee still have a product that you can buy, that will run on a
netware server?

What about Trend Micro?

Anyone have experience with any of these? (I have long-since just run
anti-virus as a managed desktop thing, and stopped doing any scanning
directly on the server ... works fine, but this customer wants server
scanning ...)

Any other suggestions/experiences?

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From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Wed Sep  3 21:04:21 2008
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:04:21 -0400
Subject: Moving from ZDM7 to ZCM10
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Message-ID: <OF0568B4D0.E60CB56A-ON852574B9.006E3723-852574B9.006E444B@lancaster.wnyric.org>

Thanks Steve, I will look at the updated 10.1 documentation.

T2



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Check the requirement of BOR stuff with the 10.1 release.  I know with the 
architecture change from 10.0.2 to 10.0.3 and 10.1 there is some different 
setup requirements if you are wanting to use that feature.
 
Thanks,
Steve
 

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We are planning a ZCM deployment this year and I am wondering whether
anyone has any experience using the Business Object Reporting engine with
ZCM installed on SLES10?  The documentation made it sound like if you
wanted to use the Business Objects reporting you need to install ZCM on
Windows, at least that is how I read it but feel free to make me a liar.

Thanks.

T2



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>>> On 9/3/2008 at 6:47 AM, Toomas Aas <toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee> wrote:
> Hello!
>
> Hopefully someone can answer this quick question -
>
> Our current infrastructure is NW65SP7 servers (eDir 8.7.3), one of which

> acts as a back-end server for Zenworks 7 Desktop Management. Knowing
that
> the server components of ZCM10 do not run on Netware I initially thought

> that the only way to get ZCM10 is to upgrade from NW65 to OES2 and then
> install ZCM10 on one of these OES/Linux servers.
>
> However, having read the migration guide it is beginning to look like I
> could just put up a plain SLES server, install ZCM10 to that and then
> "point" it to our existing eDirectory (Netware) servers. Is this
correct?


Yes. In fact this is the exact tactic we took for installing ZCM. It runs
on a SLES10SP2 box quite well.

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From Renee at wfse.org  Wed Sep  3 20:14:18 2008
From: Renee at wfse.org (Renee Hunter)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:14:18 -0700
Subject: OT:  Replace McAfee???
Message-ID: <s8be7fb0.063@mail.wfse.org>

Previously posted, but looking for updated information now that I am
ready to upgrade or replace this ASAP with an in-house solution.  

Currently running an old McAfee e250 appliance which mainly handles
viruses and blocking words, websites.  Also, McAfee Antivirus which
pushes updates out to our XP computers. Windows 2000 and NetWare servers
via ePolicy Orchestrator 2.5.1.  2003 gets updated as a standalone
McAfee.  Cisco PIX firewall.

We are a nonprofit (not charitable) and am looking for a better
solution to include antivirus, antispam, and antispyware, or to just go
ahead and upgrade to the solution below.  Potential product needs to
cover incoming internet email and web site access.

McAfee Secure Internet Gateway 3100 Appliance with Perpetual
License 1-9999999 Nodes
Manuf.Part No: MSA-3100-SGAA

McAfee Inc. - License      $904.00
1YR GOLD SGA 3100 FO APPL + NBD SGA3100-FO 1-9999999U
Manuf.Part No: MYVF31SADMAA

Last quote for above was close to $4,000.

Thanks so much for your input in helping me make a factual decision and
get this project finished.


 

From RGrein at tpchd.org  Wed Sep  3 22:04:45 2008
From: RGrein at tpchd.org (Randy Grein)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:04:45 -0700
Subject: OT:  Replace McAfee???
In-Reply-To: <s8be7fb0.063@mail.wfse.org>
References: <s8be7fb0.063@mail.wfse.org>
Message-ID: <48BE9991.811E.0072.0@tpchd.org>

Renee,
You might want to consider a service - I've had good results from both Postini and Erado. Give a shout if you're interested in Erado - Steve Singhose can hook you up.

Randy Grein
Sr. Network Engineer


>>> "Renee Hunter" <Renee at wfse.org> 9/3/2008 12:14 PM >>>
Previously posted, but looking for updated information now that I am
ready to upgrade or replace this ASAP with an in-house solution.  

Currently running an old McAfee e250 appliance which mainly handles
viruses and blocking words, websites.  Also, McAfee Antivirus which
pushes updates out to our XP computers. Windows 2000 and NetWare servers
via ePolicy Orchestrator 2.5.1.  2003 gets updated as a standalone
McAfee.  Cisco PIX firewall.

We are a nonprofit (not charitable) and am looking for a better
solution to include antivirus, antispam, and antispyware, or to just go
ahead and upgrade to the solution below.  Potential product needs to
cover incoming internet email and web site access.

McAfee Secure Internet Gateway 3100 Appliance with Perpetual
License 1-9999999 Nodes
Manuf.Part No: MSA-3100-SGAA

McAfee Inc. - License      $904.00
1YR GOLD SGA 3100 FO APPL + NBD SGA3100-FO 1-9999999U
Manuf.Part No: MYVF31SADMAA

Last quote for above was close to $4,000.

Thanks so much for your input in helping me make a factual decision and
get this project finished.


 
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From dtran at ssc.ucla.edu  Wed Sep  3 22:46:00 2008
From: dtran at ssc.ucla.edu (Daniel Tran)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:46:00 -0700
Subject: NRM - Mail notifcation configuration
Message-ID: <D2A4CE9969F00C4DB94310BD8B1E203201281DB3@SSCBE.SS.ucla.edu>

Server is a netware 6 with a latest available support pack and DS
8.7.3.7 (10552.79)

In NRM, Mail Control Panel; I can put in:

 

Primary Mail Server Name

Mail Notification List. 

 

However, when I try to put in the Mail From Identifcation, it converts
the symbol into ascii charcter code.  For example, if I put in:

admin at servername.domain, it converts the @ symbol to %2540.  If I don't
put in the @ symbol, mail server will see the incoming message as from
admin at ipaddress and rejects it.

 

Is there a work around or fix for this?

 

thanks


From Robrinsky at roillc.com  Thu Sep  4 01:26:29 2008
From: Robrinsky at roillc.com (Robert Obrinsky)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:26:29 -0400
Subject: OT:  Replace McAfee???
In-Reply-To: <s8be7fb0.063@mail.wfse.org>
References: <s8be7fb0.063@mail.wfse.org>
Message-ID: <48BEC8C4.9F9C.006D.0@roillc.com>

How many users/workstations?
 
Robert W. Obrinsky
President
Robert Obrinsky Industries, LLC
1425 NE 7th Avenue
Unit 201
Portland, OR 97232
503.719.4387 (Office)
203.273.7012 (Mobile)


>>> "Renee Hunter" <Renee at wfse.org> 9/3/2008 12:14 PM >>>
Previously posted, but looking for updated information now that I am
ready to upgrade or replace this ASAP with an in-house solution.  

Currently running an old McAfee e250 appliance which mainly handles
viruses and blocking words, websites.  Also, McAfee Antivirus which
pushes updates out to our XP computers. Windows 2000 and NetWare servers
via ePolicy Orchestrator 2.5.1.  2003 gets updated as a standalone
McAfee.  Cisco PIX firewall.

We are a nonprofit (not charitable) and am looking for a better
solution to include antivirus, antispam, and antispyware, or to just go
ahead and upgrade to the solution below.  Potential product needs to
cover incoming internet email and web site access.

McAfee Secure Internet Gateway 3100 Appliance with Perpetual
License 1-9999999 Nodes
Manuf.Part No: MSA-3100-SGAA

McAfee Inc. - License      $904.00
1YR GOLD SGA 3100 FO APPL + NBD SGA3100-FO 1-9999999U
Manuf.Part No: MYVF31SADMAA

Last quote for above was close to $4,000.

Thanks so much for your input in helping me make a factual decision and
get this project finished.



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From Renee at wfse.org  Thu Sep  4 05:13:40 2008
From: Renee at wfse.org (Renee Hunter)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:13:40 -0700
Subject: OT:  Replace McAfee???
Message-ID: <s8befe15.032@mail.wfse.org>

110 users

>>> Robrinsky at roillc.com 9/3/2008 5:26 PM >>>
How many users/workstations?
 
Robert W. Obrinsky
President
Robert Obrinsky Industries, LLC
1425 NE 7th Avenue
Unit 201
Portland, OR 97232
503.719.4387 (Office)
203.273.7012 (Mobile)


>>> "Renee Hunter" <Renee at wfse.org> 9/3/2008 12:14 PM >>>
Previously posted, but looking for updated information now that I am
ready to upgrade or replace this ASAP with an in-house solution.  

Currently running an old McAfee e250 appliance which mainly handles
viruses and blocking words, websites.  Also, McAfee Antivirus which
pushes updates out to our XP computers. Windows 2000 and NetWare servers
via ePolicy Orchestrator 2.5.1.  2003 gets updated as a standalone
McAfee.  Cisco PIX firewall.

We are a nonprofit (not charitable) and am looking for a better
solution to include antivirus, antispam, and antispyware, or to just go
ahead and upgrade to the solution below.  Potential product needs to
cover incoming internet email and web site access.

McAfee Secure Internet Gateway 3100 Appliance with Perpetual
License 1-9999999 Nodes
Manuf.Part No: MSA-3100-SGAA

McAfee Inc. - License      $904.00
1YR GOLD SGA 3100 FO APPL + NBD SGA3100-FO 1-9999999U
Manuf.Part No: MYVF31SADMAA

Last quote for above was close to $4,000.

Thanks so much for your input in helping me make a factual decision and
get this project finished.



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From ben_johnston at tpgi.com.au  Thu Sep  4 10:04:57 2008
From: ben_johnston at tpgi.com.au (Ben Johnston)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:04:57 +1000
Subject: MS server patching with zenworks
In-Reply-To: <mailman.762.1220438872.3536.novell@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
References: <mailman.762.1220438872.3536.novell@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <48BFA4B9.5000504@tpgi.com.au>

A quick question about windows updates.
Is anyone using Zenworks to patch their servers? I currently have a 
large number of windows boxes (multiplying like rabbits) and looking for 
an effective way to stage updates to them. I'm running updates on these 
boxes manually at the moment. I'm hoping not to create yet another 
windows server as a SUS box. I have test environments for all 
productions systems so a staged release through these would be my choice.
Thoughts and ideas are most welcome.

TIA,
Ben.

From cmangiarelli at gmail.com  Thu Sep  4 16:40:51 2008
From: cmangiarelli at gmail.com (Christopher Mangiarelli)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:40:51 -0400
Subject: NRM - Mail notifcation configuration
In-Reply-To: <D2A4CE9969F00C4DB94310BD8B1E203201281DB3@SSCBE.SS.ucla.edu>
References: <D2A4CE9969F00C4DB94310BD8B1E203201281DB3@SSCBE.SS.ucla.edu>
Message-ID: <f47566ff0809040840t45b743a0i7db1cc7c56acedbd@mail.gmail.com>

I could never find a way to fix that.  NetWare 6.5 doesn't do it though and
we just converted our last server to NW65 a week ago.

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Daniel Tran <dtran at ssc.ucla.edu> wrote:

> Server is a netware 6 with a latest available support pack and DS
> 8.7.3.7 (10552.79)
>
> In NRM, Mail Control Panel; I can put in:
>
>
>
> Primary Mail Server Name
>
> Mail Notification List.
>
>
>
> However, when I try to put in the Mail From Identifcation, it converts
> the symbol into ascii charcter code.  For example, if I put in:
>
> admin at servername.domain, it converts the @ symbol to %2540.  If I don't
> put in the @ symbol, mail server will see the incoming message as from
> admin at ipaddress and rejects it.
>
>
>
> Is there a work around or fix for this?
>
>
>
> thanks
>
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From Renee at wfse.org  Fri Sep  5 00:03:33 2008
From: Renee at wfse.org (Renee Hunter)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:03:33 -0700
Subject: OT:  Replace McAfee???
Message-ID: <s8c006ff.013@mail.wfse.org>

Approx 125.

>>> Robrinsky at roillc.com 9/3/2008 5:26:29 PM >>>
How many users/workstations?
 
Robert W. Obrinsky
President
Robert Obrinsky Industries, LLC
1425 NE 7th Avenue
Unit 201
Portland, OR 97232
503.719.4387 (Office)
203.273.7012 (Mobile)


>>> "Renee Hunter" <Renee at wfse.org> 9/3/2008 12:14 PM >>>
Previously posted, but looking for updated information now that I am
ready to upgrade or replace this ASAP with an in-house solution.  

Currently running an old McAfee e250 appliance which mainly handles
viruses and blocking words, websites.  Also, McAfee Antivirus which
pushes updates out to our XP computers. Windows 2000 and NetWare
servers
via ePolicy Orchestrator 2.5.1.  2003 gets updated as a standalone
McAfee.  Cisco PIX firewall.

We are a nonprofit (not charitable) and am looking for a better
solution to include antivirus, antispam, and antispyware, or to just
go
ahead and upgrade to the solution below.  Potential product needs to
cover incoming internet email and web site access.

McAfee Secure Internet Gateway 3100 Appliance with Perpetual
License 1-9999999 Nodes
Manuf.Part No: MSA-3100-SGAA

McAfee Inc. - License      $904.00
1YR GOLD SGA 3100 FO APPL + NBD SGA3100-FO 1-9999999U
Manuf.Part No: MYVF31SADMAA

Last quote for above was close to $4,000.

Thanks so much for your input in helping me make a factual decision
and
get this project finished.



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From bhuta.darshan at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 07:09:40 2008
From: bhuta.darshan at gmail.com (john_sm3853)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 23:09:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Server Virtualization
Message-ID: <19325449.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hey Folks - We need your help. We were hoping, we could gain from your
experience with implementing server virtualization. When should we be using
Red Hat Virtualization, Citrix Virtualization, Xen Virtualization, Microsoft
Virtualization, Oracle Virtualization and VMWare.  I will be very interested
in learning from your first hand experience.  I will also like to know,
under what situations is one virtualization preferred over the other.  -
Thanks for your help		

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From JRD at cc.usu.edu  Fri Sep  5 11:32:24 2008
From: JRD at cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:32:24 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Server Virtualization
Message-ID: <01MZ6U3TT0VI8WY2EY@cc.usu.edu>

>
>Hey Folks - We need your help. We were hoping, we could gain from your
>experience with implementing server virtualization. When should we be using
>Red Hat Virtualization, Citrix Virtualization, Xen Virtualization, Microsoft
>Virtualization, Oracle Virtualization and VMWare.  I will be very interested
>in learning from your first hand experience.  I will also like to know,
>under what situations is one virtualization preferred over the other.  -
>Thanks for your help		
-------------------
	No one can tell what is appropriate for your particular site and 
servers; that is for your people to do. My recommendation, based on how
you broached the subject, is to spend time learning about virtualization
and about each of the major offerings. It won't be quick, but today we
need to know the material. Then try experiments in the lab, at length.
        Joe D.

From Robrinsky at roillc.com  Fri Sep  5 22:14:06 2008
From: Robrinsky at roillc.com (Robert Obrinsky)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:14:06 -0400
Subject: OT:  Replace McAfee???
In-Reply-To: <s8c006ff.013@mail.wfse.org>
References: <s8c006ff.013@mail.wfse.org>
Message-ID: <48C13EAE.9F9C.006D.0@roillc.com>

I have recommended this to others on this list. I like the Astaro Security Gateway which is a unified threat management device. However, they have just announced their  email security gateway appliance which I believe is the mail security component of the ASG. I have not seen the pricing for this yet. You can read a little bit about the device on Astaro's web site.
http://www.astaro.com/newsroom/press_releases/astaro_unveils_new_family_of_email_security_appliances 
 
Robert W. Obrinsky
President
Robert Obrinsky Industries, LLC
1425 NE 7th Avenue
Unit 201
Portland, OR 97232
503.719.4387 (Office)
203.273.7012 (Mobile)


>>> "Renee Hunter" <Renee at wfse.org> 9/4/2008 4:03 PM >>>
Approx 125.

>>> Robrinsky at roillc.com 9/3/2008 5:26:29 PM >>>
How many users/workstations?

Robert W. Obrinsky
President
Robert Obrinsky Industries, LLC
1425 NE 7th Avenue
Unit 201
Portland, OR 97232
503.719.4387 (Office)
203.273.7012 (Mobile)


>>> "Renee Hunter" <Renee at wfse.org> 9/3/2008 12:14 PM >>>
Previously posted, but looking for updated information now that I am
ready to upgrade or replace this ASAP with an in-house solution.  

Currently running an old McAfee e250 appliance which mainly handles
viruses and blocking words, websites.  Also, McAfee Antivirus which
pushes updates out to our XP computers. Windows 2000 and NetWare
servers
via ePolicy Orchestrator 2.5.1.  2003 gets updated as a standalone
McAfee.  Cisco PIX firewall.

We are a nonprofit (not charitable) and am looking for a better
solution to include antivirus, antispam, and antispyware, or to just
go
ahead and upgrade to the solution below.  Potential product needs to
cover incoming internet email and web site access.

McAfee Secure Internet Gateway 3100 Appliance with Perpetual
License 1-9999999 Nodes
Manuf.Part No: MSA-3100-SGAA

McAfee Inc. - License      $904.00
1YR GOLD SGA 3100 FO APPL + NBD SGA3100-FO 1-9999999U
Manuf.Part No: MYVF31SADMAA

Last quote for above was close to $4,000.

Thanks so much for your input in helping me make a factual decision
and
get this project finished.



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From Renee at wfse.org  Sat Sep  6 02:29:49 2008
From: Renee at wfse.org (Renee Hunter)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:29:49 -0700
Subject: OT:  Replace McAfee???
Message-ID: <s8c17abe.056@mail.wfse.org>

Thank you for your input.

What "version" of Astaro are you running?  I've read more negative than
positive about Asatro so would welcome hearing about your experience
with it.

Renee

>>> Robrinsky at roillc.com 9/5/2008 2:14 PM >>>
I have recommended this to others on this list. I like the Astaro
Security Gateway which is a unified threat management device. However,
they have just announced their  email security gateway appliance which I
believe is the mail security component of the ASG. I have not seen the
pricing for this yet. You can read a little bit about the device on
Astaro's web site.
http://www.astaro.com/newsroom/press_releases/astaro_unveils_new_family_of_email_security_appliances

 
Robert W. Obrinsky
President
Robert Obrinsky Industries, LLC
1425 NE 7th Avenue
Unit 201
Portland, OR 97232
503.719.4387 (Office)
203.273.7012 (Mobile)


>>> "Renee Hunter" <Renee at wfse.org> 9/4/2008 4:03 PM >>>
Approx 125.

>>> Robrinsky at roillc.com 9/3/2008 5:26:29 PM >>>
How many users/workstations?

Robert W. Obrinsky
President
Robert Obrinsky Industries, LLC
1425 NE 7th Avenue
Unit 201
Portland, OR 97232
503.719.4387 (Office)
203.273.7012 (Mobile)


>>> "Renee Hunter" <Renee at wfse.org> 9/3/2008 12:14 PM >>>
Previously posted, but looking for updated information now that I am
ready to upgrade or replace this ASAP with an in-house solution.  

Currently running an old McAfee e250 appliance which mainly handles
viruses and blocking words, websites.  Also, McAfee Antivirus which
pushes updates out to our XP computers. Windows 2000 and NetWare
servers
via ePolicy Orchestrator 2.5.1.  2003 gets updated as a standalone
McAfee.  Cisco PIX firewall.

We are a nonprofit (not charitable) and am looking for a better
solution to include antivirus, antispam, and antispyware, or to just
go
ahead and upgrade to the solution below.  Potential product needs to
cover incoming internet email and web site access.

McAfee Secure Internet Gateway 3100 Appliance with Perpetual
License 1-9999999 Nodes
Manuf.Part No: MSA-3100-SGAA

McAfee Inc. - License      $904.00
1YR GOLD SGA 3100 FO APPL + NBD SGA3100-FO 1-9999999U
Manuf.Part No: MYVF31SADMAA

Last quote for above was close to $4,000.

Thanks so much for your input in helping me make a factual decision
and
get this project finished.



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From JRD at cc.usu.edu  Sat Sep  6 09:44:10 2008
From: JRD at cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 02:44:10 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Adjusting VMware workstation to keep proper virtual time
Message-ID: <01MZ84L4QNQA8WY33S@cc.usu.edu>

      This is a summary note on what I have done to attack a nasty problem
encountered with virtualized OES (NW and Linux), using VMware workstation.
The problem is on some systems time is kept well in a virtual machine, well
means in sync with outside world resources and not drifting away. Yet on other
machines time drifts seriously, resets occur, sync may be/often is lost
completely, with the result that eDir cannot be synchronized between machines.
      To get ahead of the story and give away the secret, there is one 
particular parameter we can employ to assist VMware delivering time at a
correct rate. That parameter is line
      host.cpukHz = "12345"   where value is to be the raw CPU frequency in KHz.
This line goes into the VMware (server portion) config file. On Linux that file
is in /etc/vmware. On Windows it is in C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\
Application Data\VMware\VMwareWorkstation, file config.ini (create it if none).
      VMware has tech notes on the item, and they recommend adding three lines,
the one above plus two others referring to usage of the CPU TSC (GHz) clock. It
turns out that only the first has major effect on my gear. The other two,
       host.noTSC ="TRUE"
       ptsc.noTSC = "TRUE"
were, I infer, to compensate for changing CPU frequencies to throttle for less
power usage. I find them to be unnecessary today even with 3:1 changes in CPU
clock rate (800-2400 MHz, in 400MHz steps, for my laptop).
      That CPU frequency in the host.cpukHz line can be found by (Linux)
echo /proc/cpuinfo, by the Linux KDE GUI "My Computer" display, and on Windows
through the properties of My Computer. Beware, the value we need is the flat
out frequency, such as 2400000 for 2.4GHz hardware.
      On my laptop I have done as recommended. Alas, VM time drifts badly
and matters become hopeless for eDir work. NTP gives up, and then I give up.
But I did some thinking and experimenting, and I think I have a solution for us.

     Two local observations. On a Win XP host virtual time runs fast compared
to the outside world. On a SLES 10 host virtual times runs slow, too slow.
Both measurements were on the same machine (dual booted). (More on tickless
Linux below, I have a solution for that as well). Same laptop, different host
operating systems. Hmmmm. Both have the same value set for host.cpukHz, the
proper value of 2400000 for this Intel Core 2 duo.
    Here is a screen scrape from my SLES 10 host looking at an OES2 SP1 Linux
(beta) Virtual Machine:

# ntpq
ntpq> host 10.0.0.32
current host set to 10.0.0.32
ntpq> lpeer
     remote           refid      st t when poll reach   delay   offset  jitter
==============================================================================
*iam10.ninja.me. 62.3.200.116     2 u  114  128  377   17.687   37.019  20.536

This is on my laptop, running for an hour or so, and it normally causes terrible
headaches after only a few minutes. It's been "fixed" and the table helps us
understand how you can fix your boxes.
    The values to pay attention to right now are the offset and jitter numbers
which are expressed in units of milliseconds. Offset is the time difference
"them minus us" and jitter is an RMS running average of the time error. Jitter
includes both random noise (say link traffic, VM time slice delay, etc) and most
importantly also the clock error experienced between polling samples. If the VM
clock frequency is off then the jitter will be large, and the offset will change
over time but we may not notice that. My un-fixed laptop showed offset of about
0.5-10 seconds at best, jitter of 0.5 sec or larger, when NTP was still trying
to work. That much jitter is not due to host scheduler delays etc; it is clock
error. We know that eDir has about a 4 second time difference allowance between
servers.
   My experiment was to tinker with the host.cpukHz value. Using a Linux VM
for discussion, the "correct"/recommended value of 2400000 resulted in the VM
clock running too slowly, much too slowly. I decreased the token value to
2300000 and the VM clock ran too quickly, and the "offset" value went negative.
   Why?
   Because if the VM clock is thought to be fast then each tick ought to convey
only a small quantum of "time." The VM gets fed too little "time", its time of
day falls behind, offset (them minus us) goes large positive. All because each
tick is thought to denote passage of too little "time." The VM starves.

   Down to the numbers. Lowering host.cpukHz makes the VM clock run faster,
and offset will be toward the negative area. Raising host.cpukHz causes the
VM clock to run slower, and offset to head to the positive area. Naturally,
the larger the frequency error (world versus us) the larger the jitter value
because of the clock error between samples. We keep an eye on the jitter
value to help us decide whether the amount by which we changed host.cpukHz
is about right, and we watch offset to know if we should increase or decrease
the value (positive offset is we are slow). Keep in mind that NTP requires
many minutes to adjust and settle down, and during that long learning interval
errors will oscillate slowly or even get into a .STEP. disaster recovery mode.
   My host.cpukHz value now reads "2394460", which is very close to 2.4GHz
but it is different by just the right amount. I tinkered with the value,
restarted VMware workstation and the guest Linux, observed via ntpq for
many minutes, and then estimated a better tinker value for the next try.

   The next aspect we need to remember is NTP can compensate for clock
frequency errors only up to an amount of 500 parts per million (half a ms
per second). If we take the number above, it is about 2+ million units,
and my correction is over 5000 parts per two million (say 2500 ppm). No
wonder NTP could not cope; the perceived VM clock frequency was vastly
outside of its capture/correction basket. No way can a missile hit a
moving target if it can't steer quickly enough. A chorus line dance team
doing a coordinated kick sequence would be booed off stage within a minute.
    Apparently, VMware workstation on Linux runs the clock too slowly by
delivering "time" quanta on each tick of too small a value. On Windows things
are the other way round, and I neither know nor care why.
    We can observe what correction NTP itself decides is best by looking
at its drift file value, which is in parts per million, +/-500 max. This
value is in addition to the manual correction which we have just discussed.
On my laptop it reads 166 within the VM. The Linux host's value is 4.16.
Our manual adjustment via host.cpukHz helps NTP find the correct frequency
when the freq error is very very large, such as my 2500 ppm case tonight.
On SUSE Linux see /var/lib/ntp/drift/ntp.drift.

   On the tick-less Linux kernel. Well, talk about absolutely terrible time
keeping with today's VMware workstation, as I did talk it about a few weeks
ago (in another venue). OpenSUSE 11 is an example. But there is a way to fix
this without recompiling the kernel. It is to load the kernel with option
  nohz=off. We can do that by entering   nohz=off  in the boot menu box when
starting the kernel, or by adding it to the kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst.
With that parameter present time is kept about the same as present tick-ful
kernels. We need not give up hope when SLES 11 appears in our shops.

   That's the short version of my time keeping story. I hope others
find it useful.
   Joe D.

From Robrinsky at roillc.com  Sat Sep  6 17:54:20 2008
From: Robrinsky at roillc.com (Robert Obrinsky)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 12:54:20 -0400
Subject: OT:  Replace McAfee???
In-Reply-To: <s8c17abe.056@mail.wfse.org>
References: <s8c17abe.056@mail.wfse.org>
Message-ID: <48C2534C.9F9C.006D.0@roillc.com>

Currently at 7.301 for the ASG. Mine is a software appliance and running on a very old piece of software. I believe the minimum recommended hardware these days is 1.0 GHz processor and 1.0 GB of RAM. One thing that Astaro will do for you is give you an evaluation unit so you can try before you buy.
 
My system has been working well, for me and for my clients. I do not have experience with the 6.x interface, and have only worked with version 7.0 and higher. I agree that the 7.0 release was problematic and that there were several updates that came through very rapidly. The good news is that those updates did get pushed out pretty quickly.  I am happy to discuss all of this in more detail with you off the list.
 
In terms of price, the ASG will be more than what you were quoted for the McAfee replacement unit. However, the email gateway will probably be more competitive - but as I said before, I have not seen the price list on it yet.
 
Robert W. Obrinsky
President
Robert Obrinsky Industries, LLC
1425 NE 7th Avenue
Unit 201
Portland, OR 97232
503.719.4387 (Office)
203.273.7012 (Mobile)


>>> "Renee Hunter" <Renee at wfse.org> 9/5/2008 6:29 PM >>>
Thank you for your input.

What "version" of Astaro are you running?  I've read more negative than
positive about Asatro so would welcome hearing about your experience
with it.

Renee

>>> Robrinsky at roillc.com 9/5/2008 2:14 PM >>>
I have recommended this to others on this list. I like the Astaro
Security Gateway which is a unified threat management device. However,
they have just announced their  email security gateway appliance which I
believe is the mail security component of the ASG. I have not seen the
pricing for this yet. You can read a little bit about the device on
Astaro's web site.
http://www.astaro.com/newsroom/press_releases/astaro_unveils_new_family_of_email_security_appliances 


Robert W. Obrinsky
President
Robert Obrinsky Industries, LLC
1425 NE 7th Avenue
Unit 201
Portland, OR 97232
503.719.4387 (Office)
203.273.7012 (Mobile)


>>> "Renee Hunter" <Renee at wfse.org> 9/4/2008 4:03 PM >>>
Approx 125.

>>> Robrinsky at roillc.com 9/3/2008 5:26:29 PM >>>
How many users/workstations?

Robert W. Obrinsky
President
Robert Obrinsky Industries, LLC
1425 NE 7th Avenue
Unit 201
Portland, OR 97232
503.719.4387 (Office)
203.273.7012 (Mobile)


>>> "Renee Hunter" <Renee at wfse.org> 9/3/2008 12:14 PM >>>
Previously posted, but looking for updated information now that I am
ready to upgrade or replace this ASAP with an in-house solution.  

Currently running an old McAfee e250 appliance which mainly handles
viruses and blocking words, websites.  Also, McAfee Antivirus which
pushes updates out to our XP computers. Windows 2000 and NetWare
servers
via ePolicy Orchestrator 2.5.1.  2003 gets updated as a standalone
McAfee.  Cisco PIX firewall.

We are a nonprofit (not charitable) and am looking for a better
solution to include antivirus, antispam, and antispyware, or to just
go
ahead and upgrade to the solution below.  Potential product needs to
cover incoming internet email and web site access.

McAfee Secure Internet Gateway 3100 Appliance with Perpetual
License 1-9999999 Nodes
Manuf.Part No: MSA-3100-SGAA

McAfee Inc. - License      $904.00
1YR GOLD SGA 3100 FO APPL + NBD SGA3100-FO 1-9999999U
Manuf.Part No: MYVF31SADMAA

Last quote for above was close to $4,000.

Thanks so much for your input in helping me make a factual decision
and
get this project finished.



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From randygrein at comcast.net  Sat Sep  6 19:25:24 2008
From: randygrein at comcast.net (Randy Grein)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:25:24 -0700
Subject: Adjusting VMware workstation to keep proper virtual time
In-Reply-To: <01MZ84L4QNQA8WY33S@cc.usu.edu>
References: <01MZ84L4QNQA8WY33S@cc.usu.edu>
Message-ID: <26C937B7-5CB4-4F63-808C-1CEE413FBE22@comcast.net>

Wow. That, Joe, is fantastic. Any chance it applies to ESX? I'm going  
to forward this to our VM guy, it may help us.
Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA

On Sep 6, 2008, at 1:44 AM, Joe Doupnik wrote:

>      This is a summary note on what I have done to attack a nasty  
> problem
> encountered with virtualized OES (NW and Linux), using VMware  
> workstation.
> The problem is on some systems time is kept well in a virtual  
> machine, well
> means in sync with outside world resources and not drifting away.  
> Yet on other
> machines time drifts seriously, resets occur, sync may be/often is  
> lost
> completely, with the result that eDir cannot be synchronized between  
> machines.
>      To get ahead of the story and give away the secret, there is one
> particular parameter we can employ to assist VMware delivering time  
> at a
> correct rate. That parameter is line
>      host.cpukHz = "12345"   where value is to be the raw CPU  
> frequency in KHz.
> This line goes into the VMware (server portion) config file. On  
> Linux that file
> is in /etc/vmware. On Windows it is in C:\Documents and Settings\All  
> Users\
> Application Data\VMware\VMwareWorkstation, file config.ini (create  
> it if none).
>      VMware has tech notes on the item, and they recommend adding  
> three lines,
> the one above plus two others referring to usage of the CPU TSC  
> (GHz) clock. It
> turns out that only the first has major effect on my gear. The other  
> two,
>       host.noTSC ="TRUE"
>       ptsc.noTSC = "TRUE"
> were, I infer, to compensate for changing CPU frequencies to  
> throttle for less
> power usage. I find them to be unnecessary today even with 3:1  
> changes in CPU
> clock rate (800-2400 MHz, in 400MHz steps, for my laptop).
>      That CPU frequency in the host.cpukHz line can be found by  
> (Linux)
> echo /proc/cpuinfo, by the Linux KDE GUI "My Computer" display, and  
> on Windows
> through the properties of My Computer. Beware, the value we need is  
> the flat
> out frequency, such as 2400000 for 2.4GHz hardware.
>      On my laptop I have done as recommended. Alas, VM time drifts  
> badly
> and matters become hopeless for eDir work. NTP gives up, and then I  
> give up.
> But I did some thinking and experimenting, and I think I have a  
> solution for us.
>
>     Two local observations. On a Win XP host virtual time runs fast  
> compared
> to the outside world. On a SLES 10 host virtual times runs slow, too  
> slow.
> Both measurements were on the same machine (dual booted). (More on  
> tickless
> Linux below, I have a solution for that as well). Same laptop,  
> different host
> operating systems. Hmmmm. Both have the same value set for  
> host.cpukHz, the
> proper value of 2400000 for this Intel Core 2 duo.
>    Here is a screen scrape from my SLES 10 host looking at an OES2  
> SP1 Linux
> (beta) Virtual Machine:
>
> # ntpq
> ntpq> host 10.0.0.32
> current host set to 10.0.0.32
> ntpq> lpeer
>     remote           refid      st t when poll reach   delay    
> offset  jitter
> = 
> = 
> = 
> = 
> = 
> = 
> = 
> = 
> ======================================================================
> *iam10.ninja.me. 62.3.200.116     2 u  114  128  377   17.687    
> 37.019  20.536
>
> This is on my laptop, running for an hour or so, and it normally  
> causes terrible
> headaches after only a few minutes. It's been "fixed" and the table  
> helps us
> understand how you can fix your boxes.
>    The values to pay attention to right now are the offset and  
> jitter numbers
> which are expressed in units of milliseconds. Offset is the time  
> difference
> "them minus us" and jitter is an RMS running average of the time  
> error. Jitter
> includes both random noise (say link traffic, VM time slice delay,  
> etc) and most
> importantly also the clock error experienced between polling  
> samples. If the VM
> clock frequency is off then the jitter will be large, and the offset  
> will change
> over time but we may not notice that. My un-fixed laptop showed  
> offset of about
> 0.5-10 seconds at best, jitter of 0.5 sec or larger, when NTP was  
> still trying
> to work. That much jitter is not due to host scheduler delays etc;  
> it is clock
> error. We know that eDir has about a 4 second time difference  
> allowance between
> servers.
>   My experiment was to tinker with the host.cpukHz value. Using a  
> Linux VM
> for discussion, the "correct"/recommended value of 2400000 resulted  
> in the VM
> clock running too slowly, much too slowly. I decreased the token  
> value to
> 2300000 and the VM clock ran too quickly, and the "offset" value  
> went negative.
>   Why?
>   Because if the VM clock is thought to be fast then each tick ought  
> to convey
> only a small quantum of "time." The VM gets fed too little "time",  
> its time of
> day falls behind, offset (them minus us) goes large positive. All  
> because each
> tick is thought to denote passage of too little "time." The VM  
> starves.
>
>   Down to the numbers. Lowering host.cpukHz makes the VM clock run  
> faster,
> and offset will be toward the negative area. Raising host.cpukHz  
> causes the
> VM clock to run slower, and offset to head to the positive area.  
> Naturally,
> the larger the frequency error (world versus us) the larger the  
> jitter value
> because of the clock error between samples. We keep an eye on the  
> jitter
> value to help us decide whether the amount by which we changed  
> host.cpukHz
> is about right, and we watch offset to know if we should increase or  
> decrease
> the value (positive offset is we are slow). Keep in mind that NTP  
> requires
> many minutes to adjust and settle down, and during that long  
> learning interval
> errors will oscillate slowly or even get into a .STEP. disaster  
> recovery mode.
>   My host.cpukHz value now reads "2394460", which is very close to  
> 2.4GHz
> but it is different by just the right amount. I tinkered with the  
> value,
> restarted VMware workstation and the guest Linux, observed via ntpq  
> for
> many minutes, and then estimated a better tinker value for the next  
> try.
>
>   The next aspect we need to remember is NTP can compensate for clock
> frequency errors only up to an amount of 500 parts per million (half  
> a ms
> per second). If we take the number above, it is about 2+ million  
> units,
> and my correction is over 5000 parts per two million (say 2500 ppm).  
> No
> wonder NTP could not cope; the perceived VM clock frequency was vastly
> outside of its capture/correction basket. No way can a missile hit a
> moving target if it can't steer quickly enough. A chorus line dance  
> team
> doing a coordinated kick sequence would be booed off stage within a  
> minute.
>    Apparently, VMware workstation on Linux runs the clock too slowly  
> by
> delivering "time" quanta on each tick of too small a value. On  
> Windows things
> are the other way round, and I neither know nor care why.
>    We can observe what correction NTP itself decides is best by  
> looking
> at its drift file value, which is in parts per million, +/-500 max.  
> This
> value is in addition to the manual correction which we have just  
> discussed.
> On my laptop it reads 166 within the VM. The Linux host's value is  
> 4.16.
> Our manual adjustment via host.cpukHz helps NTP find the correct  
> frequency
> when the freq error is very very large, such as my 2500 ppm case  
> tonight.
> On SUSE Linux see /var/lib/ntp/drift/ntp.drift.
>
>   On the tick-less Linux kernel. Well, talk about absolutely  
> terrible time
> keeping with today's VMware workstation, as I did talk it about a  
> few weeks
> ago (in another venue). OpenSUSE 11 is an example. But there is a  
> way to fix
> this without recompiling the kernel. It is to load the kernel with  
> option
>  nohz=off. We can do that by entering   nohz=off  in the boot menu  
> box when
> starting the kernel, or by adding it to the kernel line in /boot/ 
> grub/menu.lst.
> With that parameter present time is kept about the same as present  
> tick-ful
> kernels. We need not give up hope when SLES 11 appears in our shops.
>
>   That's the short version of my time keeping story. I hope others
> find it useful.
>   Joe D.
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From joea at j4computers.com  Sun Sep  7 10:52:49 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 05:52:49 -0400
Subject: SOT - SATA Raid card
Message-ID: <48C36C2E.917D.0085.0@j4computers.com>

Anyone have experience with the 3Ware 9500S-8 SATA RAID Card?   I have in mind a low buck iSCSI setup, probably on SLES10sp2 or OES2 (linux).

Opinions seem to vary.

joe a.


From JRD at cc.usu.edu  Sun Sep  7 20:41:53 2008
From: JRD at cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 13:41:53 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Adjusting VMware workstation to keep proper virtual time
Message-ID: <01MZA4OTJ8CY8WY4YI@cc.usu.edu>

>Wow. That, Joe, is fantastic. Any chance it applies to ESX? I'm going  
>to forward this to our VM guy, it may help us.
>Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA
----
	It turns out there is another piece to the puzzle, but not
compliated. The mini-story goes like this:
	Machine boots its host o/s, and during that process it
estimates the speed of the local cpu(s) by referencing the couple
of on-board oscillators. At this point the network is not running,
so no NTP, no real-world.
	VMware starts up, asks the host in some manner about the
clock rate and gets told a number from the above paragraph. VMware
then does two things: it starts a metronome, tick/tock, to simulate
clock events into the guest, and it (tools) tries to set the date
into the guest so that the guest's virtual CMOS calendar is in
alignment with VMware. 
        Next the guest starts NTP, and the real world enters the
picture. NTP tries to apply size changes to the amount of time
contributed by each tick/tock. The typical Unix/Linux kernel
permits adjustment only up to 500 ppm. If the machine is off by
more than this then NTP can't sync.
	How much is 500 ppm in every day terms? A day is 86400 sec,
say 100,000. If somethere off by 500 ppm then it is off by 50 pp100K.
So if that thing were a clock then time would be off by about one
minute per day. Larger errors become uncorrectable by NTP.
	This brings us back to the host startup sequence. It estimates
the CPU freq and all that is associated with it from an el cheapo
tiny crystal oscillator which maybe as good as 10ppm, often less good.
Add software ambiguities, as say what Window or Linux think our CPU
is versus what the glossy Intel/AMD sheets say. But of course the CPU
itself runs off that crummy crystal osc. The system stares at its own
navel, until NTP comes in with a dash of cold water.
	Enough story. The additional message here is ensure the host
is both on time and its clock ticks very close to perfectly. Simple
TOD errors need to be made up in the guest by slewing the clock rate
and too large an error prevents capture and convergence. NTPDATE helps
a great deal with this calendar part. Yet, the ticks come from the
host and its rate needs to be known and within bounds for compensation.
	In shorter form: put NTP on the host. Windows Time does goodness
knows what, even when reconfigured to speak NTP. We need real NTP, such
as from www.ntp.org. We are clever enough to do this on Linux hosts.
	That leaves the tick rate, and unfortunately those estimates
are done at o/s boot time, without later adjustment. Even NetWare does
this, if we observe its estimated CPU freq as it starts up.
	The tick rate can be adjusted only so much by NTP, up to 500ppm.
In between host and guest we make our further compensation via that
host.cpukHz clause. Finding a good solid value can take a few hours
of experimenting. 
	A hint: if the guest's ntpq data show the offset to be negative
or going that way at a fair clip then we are gaining time on the outside
world. Offset is (them minus us). That in turn means each guest tick is
carrying too many seconds value into the accounting clock bin, and alas
we can't change the host's ticker. VMware et al think the host is ticking
slower than it really is (by comparison to the external world). The 
adjustment is to raise the value for host.cpukHz to make VMware think
ticking is faster, thus delivery of smaller time chunks into the guest
will be just fine thankyou.
	In some cases peeking at guest log files will reveal that clock
adjustment has hit the +/- 500 ppm limit and time is in trouble.
	NetWare seems to be very intolerant of much clock error. It
uses an older version of NTP and thus lacks heuristics created since
venerable NTP v2.
	A caution. This is my crystal ball at work, not documentation
on the matter (as that seems to be sadly lacking). Better theories might
well make more sense, but we are still stuck with only that host.cpukHz
knob as correction. Most likely the change is to a value slightly less
than the presumed CPU speed.
	As I am a science person, my advice is check the assumptions and
starting points before doing much more. In this case it is the setting
and control of the host's clock, where NTP control is very desirable.
	Joe D.

From Setienne at enesco.com  Mon Sep  8 17:09:37 2008
From: Setienne at enesco.com (Scott Etienne)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:09:37 -0500
Subject: NetWare DHCP server problems
In-Reply-To: <01MZA4OTJ8CY8WY4YI@cc.usu.edu>
References: <01MZA4OTJ8CY8WY4YI@cc.usu.edu>
Message-ID: <48C507F1.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>

I have been having problems with my NetWare DHCP server responding to requests from Cisco WAPs.
 
Round one, I setup DHCP relay (ip helper) at the router, and DHCP subnet on the Novell DHCP server. Devices from both VLANs were getting ips from both subnets--causing lots of pain. 
 
Round two, I configured the 2nd nic in the server for the new VLAN, and that tested out fine with my laptop connected to the same VLAN. Now the problem: when I try from a Cisco WAP (Aironet 1230, ios 12.3.4) which is configured for both VLANs by SSID, from the 2nd VLAN, I get no DHCP address.
 
At another site set up similarly (VLAN-based SSIDs on Aironet 1230's), we have a Windows server with an 802.1q trunk to the switch, and DHCP requests work fine.
 
I know that Cisco WAPs forward all DHCP requests to the default VLAN (1), but don't know how the Novell server handles them. It looks like the server does not see the DHCP request from the debug screen (d3), as no DHCP request shows coming across the screen.
 
Can anyone shed light here?
 
Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 

 

From BChan at Shawcor.com  Mon Sep  8 17:08:34 2008
From: BChan at Shawcor.com (Brian Chan)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:08:34 -0400
Subject: Chan, Brian is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF9D4AA9A3.DAC3E11A-ON852574BE.0058ACCC-852574BE.0058ACCD@shaw_ind.com>


I will be out of the office starting  09/08/2008 and will not return until
09/15/2008.

I will respond to your message when I return.



From sutick at co.lewis-clark.mt.us  Mon Sep  8 18:26:30 2008
From: sutick at co.lewis-clark.mt.us (Steve Utick)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:26:30 -0600
Subject: NetWare DHCP server problems
In-Reply-To: <48C507F1.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
References: <01MZA4OTJ8CY8WY4YI@cc.usu.edu> <48C507F1.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
Message-ID: <48C50BE5.6F4D.00ED.0@co.lewis-clark.mt.us>

I know that I was never able to get our Netware DHCP server to work with our Cisco VOIP phones either.  Works fine for all of our windows workstations, but refuses to provide addresses to the phones.

I finally ended up setting up a DHCP server on our core Cisco router to service all of our voice VLAN's.

-- 

---------------------------------------------------
Steve Utick
Infrastructure Center Supervisor
Lewis & Clark County
316 N. Park - Room 211
Helena, MT  59623
---------------------------------------------------


>>> On 9/8/2008 at 10:09 AM, in message <48C507F1.8A77.004D.0 at enesco.com>, "Scott
Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com> wrote:
> I have been having problems with my NetWare DHCP server responding to 
> requests from Cisco WAPs.
>  
> Round one, I setup DHCP relay (ip helper) at the router, and DHCP subnet on 
> the Novell DHCP server. Devices from both VLANs were getting ips from both 
> subnets--causing lots of pain. 
>  
> Round two, I configured the 2nd nic in the server for the new VLAN, and that 
> tested out fine with my laptop connected to the same VLAN. Now the problem: 
> when I try from a Cisco WAP (Aironet 1230, ios 12.3.4) which is configured 
> for both VLANs by SSID, from the 2nd VLAN, I get no DHCP address.
>  
> At another site set up similarly (VLAN-based SSIDs on Aironet 1230's), we 
> have a Windows server with an 802.1q trunk to the switch, and DHCP requests 
> work fine.
>  
> I know that Cisco WAPs forward all DHCP requests to the default VLAN (1), 
> but don't know how the Novell server handles them. It looks like the server 
> does not see the DHCP request from the debug screen (d3), as no DHCP request 
> shows coming across the screen.
>  
> Can anyone shed light here?
>  
> Thank you,
> 
> Scott Etienne
> Network Engineer
> Enesco, LLC
> setienne at enesco.com 
> 
>  
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk 
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell

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From rzeman at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 18:30:08 2008
From: rzeman at gmail.com (Rick Zeman)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:30:08 -0400
Subject: NetWare DHCP server problems
In-Reply-To: <48C50BE5.6F4D.00ED.0@co.lewis-clark.mt.us>
References: <01MZA4OTJ8CY8WY4YI@cc.usu.edu> <48C507F1.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
	<48C50BE5.6F4D.00ED.0@co.lewis-clark.mt.us>
Message-ID: <8d9ae6ce0809081030q70b81d3dn4cf3f917f349b0c0@mail.gmail.com>

That's funny, cuz when we had problems with VLAN our Cisco phones run
on they had no problems at all grabbing IP addresses from our Netware
DHCP server, instead of the proper server.

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Steve Utick <sutick at co.lewis-clark.mt.us> wrote:
> I know that I was never able to get our Netware DHCP server to work with our Cisco VOIP phones either.  Works fine for all of our windows workstations, but refuses to provide addresses to the phones.
>
> I finally ended up setting up a DHCP server on our core Cisco router to service all of our voice VLAN's.
>
> --
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Steve Utick
> Infrastructure Center Supervisor
> Lewis & Clark County
> 316 N. Park - Room 211
> Helena, MT  59623
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
>>>> On 9/8/2008 at 10:09 AM, in message <48C507F1.8A77.004D.0 at enesco.com>, "Scott
> Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com> wrote:
>> I have been having problems with my NetWare DHCP server responding to
>> requests from Cisco WAPs.
>>
>> Round one, I setup DHCP relay (ip helper) at the router, and DHCP subnet on
>> the Novell DHCP server. Devices from both VLANs were getting ips from both
>> subnets--causing lots of pain.
>>
>> Round two, I configured the 2nd nic in the server for the new VLAN, and that
>> tested out fine with my laptop connected to the same VLAN. Now the problem:
>> when I try from a Cisco WAP (Aironet 1230, ios 12.3.4) which is configured
>> for both VLANs by SSID, from the 2nd VLAN, I get no DHCP address.
>>
>> At another site set up similarly (VLAN-based SSIDs on Aironet 1230's), we
>> have a Windows server with an 802.1q trunk to the switch, and DHCP requests
>> work fine.
>>
>> I know that Cisco WAPs forward all DHCP requests to the default VLAN (1),
>> but don't know how the Novell server handles them. It looks like the server
>> does not see the DHCP request from the debug screen (d3), as no DHCP request
>> shows coming across the screen.
>>
>> Can anyone shed light here?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Scott Etienne
>> Network Engineer
>> Enesco, LLC
>> setienne at enesco.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Novell mailing list
>> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
>> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>

From Setienne at enesco.com  Mon Sep  8 19:57:01 2008
From: Setienne at enesco.com (Scott Etienne)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:57:01 -0500
Subject: NetWare DHCP server problems
In-Reply-To: <8d9ae6ce0809081030q70b81d3dn4cf3f917f349b0c0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <01MZA4OTJ8CY8WY4YI@cc.usu.edu> <48C507F1.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>
	<48C50BE5.6F4D.00ED.0@co.lewis-clark.mt.us>
	<8d9ae6ce0809081030q70b81d3dn4cf3f917f349b0c0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48C52F2D.8A77.004D.0@enesco.com>

Open mouth, insert foot: Cisco helped me find a mis-configuration on the switchport connecting the WAP I was using to test. Turns out I configured the wrong switch. We have 16 perimeter switches and our wiring closets are a mess--just itching for something like this to happen.
 
 
Thank you,

Scott Etienne
Network Engineer
Enesco, LLC
setienne at enesco.com 

 


>>> "Rick Zeman" <rzeman at gmail.com> 9/8/2008 12:30 PM >>>
That's funny, cuz when we had problems with VLAN our Cisco phones run
on they had no problems at all grabbing IP addresses from our Netware
DHCP server, instead of the proper server.

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Steve Utick <sutick at co.lewis-clark.mt.us> wrote:
> I know that I was never able to get our Netware DHCP server to work with our Cisco VOIP phones either.  Works fine for all of our windows workstations, but refuses to provide addresses to the phones.
>
> I finally ended up setting up a DHCP server on our core Cisco router to service all of our voice VLAN's.
>
> --
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Steve Utick
> Infrastructure Center Supervisor
> Lewis & Clark County
> 316 N. Park - Room 211
> Helena, MT  59623
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
>>>> On 9/8/2008 at 10:09 AM, in message <48C507F1.8A77.004D.0 at enesco.com>, "Scott
> Etienne" <Setienne at enesco.com> wrote:
>> I have been having problems with my NetWare DHCP server responding to
>> requests from Cisco WAPs.
>>
>> Round one, I setup DHCP relay (ip helper) at the router, and DHCP subnet on
>> the Novell DHCP server. Devices from both VLANs were getting ips from both
>> subnets--causing lots of pain.
>>
>> Round two, I configured the 2nd nic in the server for the new VLAN, and that
>> tested out fine with my laptop connected to the same VLAN. Now the problem:
>> when I try from a Cisco WAP (Aironet 1230, ios 12.3.4) which is configured
>> for both VLANs by SSID, from the 2nd VLAN, I get no DHCP address.
>>
>> At another site set up similarly (VLAN-based SSIDs on Aironet 1230's), we
>> have a Windows server with an 802.1q trunk to the switch, and DHCP requests
>> work fine.
>>
>> I know that Cisco WAPs forward all DHCP requests to the default VLAN (1),
>> but don't know how the Novell server handles them. It looks like the server
>> does not see the DHCP request from the debug screen (d3), as no DHCP request
>> shows coming across the screen.
>>
>> Can anyone shed light here?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Scott Etienne
>> Network Engineer
>> Enesco, LLC
>> setienne at enesco.com 
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Novell mailing list
>> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk 
>> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell 
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk 
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell 
>
_______________________________________________
Novell mailing list
Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk 
http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell

From cmangiarelli at gmail.com  Tue Sep  9 04:39:10 2008
From: cmangiarelli at gmail.com (Christopher Mangiarelli)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 23:39:10 -0400
Subject: Patching OES1/OES2 question
Message-ID: <f47566ff0809082039s14b8f36di69ae559086654f37@mail.gmail.com>

Still sort of new to the OES1/OES2 on SuSE arena.  Have a couple SuSE 9/10
servers (+OES1/2) that I need to keep updated.  I have rug/zdm setup on them
and with the appropriate rug command or yast tool, I can get them to
download patches from the channels and apply them.  What I've found is that
other patches, such as eDirectory don't come down the channel and I need to
apply them separately.  There are so many more "parts" of a Linux system
compared to a simple NetWare server (SP + post patches) and I'm getting lost
in the translation.  Other than obvious Novell products such as eDirectory
and Novell Audit, what other Novell products do I need to patch outside of
these automated patch tools?  I know about Security Services as well.  Just
wondering if I am missing anything as I want to keep my servers as up to
date as possible.

-- 
Christopher Mangiarelli
cmangiarelli at gmail.com

From mgorn at fxcm.com  Tue Sep  9 18:17:28 2008
From: mgorn at fxcm.com (Michael Gorn)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:17:28 -0400
Subject: Mystery abend on a clean NW65 SP7
Message-ID: <48C67768.87FF.00C4.0@fxcm.com>

I just setup a Netware 6.5 SP7 2 node cluster on Dell PE 2950s. It was a clean install from a NW65SP7
 Overlay DVD. 1 node was just sitting there not running anything at all when it suddenly abended 
after a few days of not doing anything. It's not running an antivirus or any other 3rd party 
utilities apart from Veritas Netbackup and an MRTG client. I have other NW clusters running the 
same exact configuration without ever encountering this type of an ABEND. Any ideas?
 
Novell Open Enterprise Server, NetWare 6.5
PVER: 6.50.07
 
Server NYGW02 halted Tuesday, September 9, 2008   7:18:52.041 am
Abend 1 on P04: Server-5.70.07-1937: CPU Hog Detected by Timer
 
Registers:
    CS = 0008 DS = 0010 ES = 0010 FS = 0010 GS = 0010 SS = 0010
    EAX = FBF17BA3 EBX = 00000000 ECX = 8FB9D204 EDX = 0007729D
    ESI = 00000000 EDI = 9799C032 EBP = B92D8C11 ESP = A9154B2C
    EIP = 00000000 FLAGS = 00000082 
    
 
Running process: Interrupt service routine (nested count 0)
Interrupted process: Server 04:173 Process
Thread Owned by NLM: SERVER.NLM
Stack pointer: A9154F80
OS Stack limit: A914D040
CPU 4 (Thread A40DD120) is in a NO SLEEP state
Scheduling priority: 67371008
Wait state: 50500F0  Waiting for work
Stack: --FBF17BA3  ?
       00111EC2  (LOADER.NLM|WaitForSpinLock+82)
       --00002746  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+2746)
       --958063A0  ?
       --8FB9D1E0  ?
       --8FBFEB40  ?
       00111E2D  (LOADER.NLM|kspinlockdisable_patch+7D)
       8F9BBF06  (WS2_32.NLM|WSPCLOSE_EventCallback+26)
       --8FB9D204  ?
       --958063A0  ?
       --A9154CB4  ?
       --00000000  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+0)
       --8FB971E0  ?
       --00002746  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+2746)
       8F9D4E1D  (WS2_32.NLM|wsCLOSE_EventCallBack+35)
       --8FB9D1E0  ?
       --8FB971E0  ?
       --00002746  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+2746)
       --8FB97238  ?
       --00000007  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+7)
       95761EE0  (WSPIP.NLM|TCP_CtlCallBack+1438)
       --8FB9D1E0  ?
       --8FB971E0  ?
       --00002746  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+2746)
       9363FCFC  (TCPIP.NLM|ICMPRegister+1380)
       -938EA978  (TCPIP.NLM|cbAlloc+86C)
       --00000002  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+2)
       --C9F83C0A  ?
       --C9F83C0A  ?
       --00000000  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+0)
       --0079E148  ?
       --00000282  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+282)
       93686ED0  (TCPIP.NLM|UDPReturnPacket+13)
       --00000282  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+282)
       --89ACD384  ?
       9365B02D  (TCPIP.NLM|IPSendWithRoute+7AD)
       --939DCC94  ?
       --89ACD304  ?
       --FFFFFFFF  ?
       --89ACD348  ?
       --00000014  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+14)
       --A84EA9EC  ?
       --89ACD304  ?
       --89ACD348  ?
       9365A9A3  (TCPIP.NLM|IPSendWithRoute+123)
       --89ACD304  ?
       --A84EA9EC  ?
       --89ACD304  ?
       --89ACD370  ?
       --A84EA9EC  ?
       --A84E0080  ?
       936F7E5A  (TCP.NLM|TCPAnyAddrCheck+5712)
       --89ACD304  ?
       --A84EA9EC  ?
       --89ACD370  ?
       --547062F8  ?
       --00000000  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+0)
       --54704B40  ?
       --00000000  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+0)
       --00000000  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+0)
       --00000000  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+0)
       --00000000  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+0)
       --00000000  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+0)
       --00000000  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+0)
       --00000000  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+0)
       --00000000  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+0)
       --00000004  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+4)
       --89B63084  ?
       --939DC240  ?
       --00000282  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+282)
       93710873  (TCP.NLM|UDPSendToAllIf+70CF)
       --00000000  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+0)
       --939FD150  ?
       --00000009  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+9)
       --0000000C  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+C)
       --91671520  ?
       --0000003A  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+3A)
       936F186F  (TCP.NLM|TCPSetOption+B8B)
       -93813D3C  (TCP.NLM|udpExMIB+1254)
       936FC0C3  (TCP.NLM|getTcpDebugInfo+1FD3)
       --95806448  ?
       --8FB971E0  ?
       936F1FE6  (TCP.NLM|TCPSetOption+1302)
       --00000000  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+0)
       --95806448  ?
       --A84EA94C  ?
       --00040000  (LOADER.NLM|PSD_LibraryErrno+1FF0)
       --A84EA880  ?
       936F126E  (TCP.NLM|TCPSetOption+58A)
       --00000007  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+7)
       --95806448  ?
       --A9154CB4  ?
       --00000014  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+14)
       --A84EA880  ?
       --939DC900  ?
       --A9154CD0  ?
       936F3EB4  (TCP.NLM|TCPAnyAddrCheck+176C)
       --A84EA880  ?
       --00000036  (LOADER.NLM|KernelAddressSpace+36)
       --A84EA880  ?
       
Additional Information:
    The NetWare OS detected a problem with the system while executing a process owned by SERVER.NLM.  
It may be the source of the problem or there may have been a memory corruption.

From mgorn at fxcm.com  Tue Sep  9 18:25:46 2008
From: mgorn at fxcm.com (Michael Gorn)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:25:46 -0400
Subject: Mystery abend on a clean NW65 SP7
In-Reply-To: <48C67768.87FF.00C4.0@fxcm.com>
References: <48C67768.87FF.00C4.0@fxcm.com>
Message-ID: <48C6795A.87FF.00C4.0@fxcm.com>

Here's a list of loaded NLM's from the abend.log (part 1):
 
Loaded Modules: 
MONITOR.NLM      NetWare Console Monitor
  Version 12.02.02   April 4, 2006
  Code Address: B1A94000h  Length: 00022BEFh
  Data Address: A81FC000h  Length: 00005F15h
LDAPX.NLM        NetWare Extension APIs for LDAP SDK (Clib version)
  Version 3.04   September 2, 2005
  Code Address: 9C42D000h  Length: 00005B38h
  Data Address: 9C433000h  Length: 00000E98h
LDAPSSL.NLM      NetWare SSL Library for LDAP SDK (Clib version)
  Version 3.04   September 2, 2005
  Code Address: 9C4B0000h  Length: 0005F55Dh
  Data Address: 9D542000h  Length: 0001883Dh
NWI.NLM          NetWare Install (NWI) Module
  Version 2.50.05   November 18, 2005
  Code Address: 967C2000h  Length: 00004DDBh
  Data Address: 965D1000h  Length: 00002714h
MRTGEXT.NLM      MRTG Extention for NetWare
  Version 1.44.01   March 28, 2005
  Code Address: 9674A000h  Length: 000075CDh
  Data Address: 90ECF000h  Length: 00002C1Ch
BPSRV.NLM        NetBackup Client Service
  Version 6.50   February 20, 2008
  Code Address: 9B9A0000h  Length: 0004D1D1h
  Data Address: 9B9EE000h  Length: 00020C24h
BPCD.NLM         NetBackup Client Daemon
  Version 6.50   February 20, 2008
  Code Address: 9B803000h  Length: 0007BE00h
  Data Address: 9B87F000h  Length: 00036334h
TSANDS.NLM       TSA for Novell eDirectory 7.x, 8.x
  Version 20213.80   August 21, 2007
  Code Address: 9B730000h  Length: 0001364Ch
  Data Address: 9B1B8000h  Length: 00001410h
NETDB.MPM        netdb Memory Protection Module
  Version 5.70   February 15, 2006
  Code Address: 9B1B6000h  Length: 00000AEFh
  Data Address: 9B1B7000h  Length: 000001C4h
NETDB.NLM        Network Database Access Module
  Version 4.11.05   January 6, 2005
  Code Address: 9B63E000h  Length: 0001394Dh
  Data Address: 9ADC8000h  Length: 000025FCh
DBNET6.NLM       Debug Network IO Support
  Version 1.45.02   March 16, 2006
  Code Address: 9B333000h  Length: 0001B831h
  Data Address: 9B34F000h  Length: 000127B8h
IPMCFG.NLM       Web Interface for IP Address Management 
  Version 1.01.16   October 22, 2005
  Code Address: 9B292000h  Length: 0000A479h
  Data Address: 9B29D000h  Length: 0000B610h
NIRMAN.NLM       TCPIP - NetWare Internetworking Remote Manager 
  Version 1.06.04   September 18, 2007
  Code Address: 98822000h  Length: 00060760h
  Data Address: 9B1E1000h  Length: 00018FCAh
TCPSTATS.NLM     Web Interface for Protocol Monitoring 
  Version 6.50.10   June 20, 2003
  Code Address: 9B0D6000h  Length: 0000E5ECh
  Data Address: 9B0E5000h  Length: 00005460h
NLSADPT2.NLM     NLS and Metering adapter for iManager 2.0 plugin
  Version 2.00   September 9, 2003
  Code Address: 9B0A6000h  Length: 0000665Dh
  Data Address: 9ABC5000h  Length: 00000E7Dh
NLSLRUP.NLM      NLS - Usage Metering
  Version 4.01.07   May 10, 2005
  Code Address: 9B03D000h  Length: 0003BA0Ah
  Data Address: 9B079000h  Length: 00010AE0h
HWDETECT.NLM     Novell Hardware Insertion/Removal Detection
  Version 1.19.05   February 20, 2003
  Code Address: 9A9B5000h  Length: 00002B33h
  Data Address: 9A9B8000h  Length: 00000D3Ch
BPSTART.NLM      NetBackup Client SureStart
  Version 6.50   February 20, 2008
  Code Address: 9AF9B000h  Length: 00007DABh
  Data Address: 9B026000h  Length: 0000D250h
NLSTRAP.NLM      NetWare License Server Trap
  Version 5.02   February 19, 2004
  Code Address: 9A7B1000h  Length: 0000298Ah
  Data Address: 9AADE000h  Length: 00000695h
PMPORTAL.NLM     NetWare License Information Portal
  Version 2.16   November 21, 2003
  Code Address: 9A7A4000h  Length: 000071C9h
  Data Address: 9A7AC000h  Length: 00004360h
JNET.NLM         Java jnet (based on 1.4.2_13)
  Version 1.42.09   September 13, 2007
  Code Address: 9A761000h  Length: 0000653Eh
  Data Address: 9A768000h  Length: 00001100h
CMON.NLM         Cluster Membership Monitor Build Number = 1.8.4-367
  Version 1.80.04   September 12, 2007
  Code Address: 9A756000h  Length: 0000224Fh
  Data Address: 9A7A1000h  Length: 00000240h
NWSNUT.NLM       NetWare NLM Utility User Interface
  Version 7.00.01   May 4, 2007
  Code Address: 9A770000h  Length: 00013432h
  Data Address: 9A785000h  Length: 000006F8h
CMA.NLM          Cluster Management Agent Build Number = 1.8.4-367
  Version 1.80.04   September 12, 2007
  Code Address: 99255000h  Length: 00019427h
  Data Address: 99186000h  Length: 00005308h
NCSSDK.NLM       Cluster API Build Number = 1.8.4-367
  Version 1.80.04   September 12, 2007
  Code Address: 99179000h  Length: 000056E2h
  Data Address: 98DDE000h  Length: 000008E0h
PCLUSTER.NLM     Novell Cluster Portal Interface Build Number = 1.8.4-367
  Version 1.80.04   September 12, 2007
  Code Address: 991C4000h  Length: 000109DAh
  Data Address: 9912E000h  Length: 00003A90h
CRM.NLM          Novell Cluster Resource Manager Build Number = 1.8.4-367
  Version 1.80.04   September 12, 2007
  Code Address: 99195000h  Length: 0000A775h
  Data Address: 98DC6000h  Length: 000021E4h
ROTLOGS.NLM      Apache 2.0.59 Log Rotation Utility for NetWare
  Version 2.00.59   March 13, 2007
  Code Address: 9869B000h  Length: 000009F9h
  Data Address: 9869C000h  Length: 00000438h
ROTLOGS.NLM      Apache 2.0.59 Log Rotation Utility for NetWare
  Version 2.00.59   March 13, 2007
  Code Address: 98691000h  Length: 000009F9h
  Data Address: 98692000h  Length: 00000438h
CVB.NLM          Novell Cluster Volume Broker Build Number = 1.8.4-367
  Version 1.80.04   September 12, 2007
  Code Address: 99146000h  Length: 0000B95Fh
  Data Address: 9868B000h  Length: 00000BA4h
MOD_JK.NLM       Apache 2.0 plugin for Tomcat
  Version 1.02.21   March 13, 2007
  Code Address: 990F7000h  Length: 000257DFh
  Data Address: 9911D000h  Length: 0000CAB8h
CSS.NLM          "CLUSTER SYSTEM SERVICES" Build Number = 1.8.4-367
  Version 1.80.04   September 12, 2007
  Code Address: 990F1000h  Length: 00005863h
  Data Address: 984EE000h  Length: 000013E0h
AUTHLDAP.NLM     Apache 2.0.59 LDAP Authentication Module
  Version 2.00.59   March 13, 2007
  Code Address: 984E6000h  Length: 00001BB9h
  Data Address: 984E8000h  Length: 000019D0h
VIPX.NLM         "VIRTUAL INTERFACE ARCHITECTURE EXTENSIONS" Build Number = 1.8.4-367
  Version 1.80.04   September 12, 2007
  Code Address: 984E2000h  Length: 00000FABh
  Data Address: 984E4000h  Length: 00000070h
UTILLDAP.NLM     Apache 2.0.59 LDAP Authentication Module
  Version 2.00.59   March 13, 2007
  Code Address: 97CD2000h  Length: 000034A9h
  Data Address: 97CD6000h  Length: 00002588h
SBD.NLM          Cluster Split Brain Detector Build Number = 1.8.4-367
  Version 1.80.04   September 12, 2007
  Code Address: 990E2000h  Length: 000044F0h
  Data Address: 97B48000h  Length: 00000D30h
GIPC.NLM         Group Protocol Build Number = 1.8.4-367
  Version 1.80.04   September 12, 2007
  Code Address: 99F17000h  Length: 0001EF29h
  Data Address: 99F3C000h  Length: 00008740h
VLL.NLM          Novell VI Architecture Link Layer Build Number = 1.8.4-367
  Version 1.80.04   September 12, 2007
  Code Address: 98E19000h  Length: 00005887h
  Data Address: 98F4D000h  Length: 00000EB0h
SBDLIB.NLM       Cluster Split Brain Detector Library Build Number = 1.8.3-53
  Version 1.80.03   October 3, 2006
  Code Address: 98E34000h  Length: 00001A67h
  Data Address: 98E36000h  Length: 00000148h
CLSTRLIB.NLM     Novell Cluster Configuration Library Build Number = 1.8.4-367
  Version 1.80.04   September 12, 2007
  Code Address: 98CC7000h  Length: 0001715Dh
  Data Address: 98CDF000h  Length: 0001347Ch
TSAFS.NLM        SMS - File System Agent for NetWare 6.X
  Version 6.52.08   August 14, 2007
  Code Address: 986A7000h  Length: 0005F072h
  Data Address: 98707000h  Length: 0000D3A0h
SMDR.NLM         SMS - Storage Data Requestor
  Version 6.57.04   August 14, 2007
  Code Address: 98565000h  Length: 00047F28h
  Data Address: 985AE000h  Length: 0000D8E0h
SMSUT.NLM        SMS - Utility Library for NetWare 6.X
  Version 1.01.03   August 14, 2007
  Code Address: 98511000h  Length: 00010201h
  Data Address: 98326000h  Length: 00001DF0h
SASL.NLM         Simple Authentication and Security Layer 3.2.0.0 20070914
  Version 32000709.14   September 14, 2007
  Code Address: 98300000h  Length: 00000BCCh
  Data Address: 98301000h  Length: 00000130h
LSL.MPM          lsl Memory Protection Module
  Version 5.70   February 15, 2006
  Code Address: 97C38000h  Length: 000001C2h
  Data Address: 97C39000h  Length: 00000138h
SLP.MPM          slp Memory Protection Module
  Version 5.70   February 15, 2006
  Code Address: 97C36000h  Length: 000002E9h
  Data Address: 97C37000h  Length: 00000090h
STREAMS.MPM      streams Memory Protection Module
  Version 5.70   February 15, 2006
  Code Address: 97C34000h  Length: 000006E9h
  Data Address: 97C35000h  Length: 00000188h
TLI.MPM          tli Memory Protection Module
  Version 5.70   February 15, 2006
  Code Address: 97DB3000h  Length: 00001276h
  Data Address: 97C1A000h  Length: 00000344h
SNMP.MPM         snmp Memory Protection Module
  Version 5.70   February 15, 2006
  Code Address: 97C18000h  Length: 000009F7h
  Data Address: 97C19000h  Length: 000000FCh
TCPIP.MPM        tcpip Memory Protection Module
  Version 5.70   February 15, 2006
  Code Address: 97D69000h  Length: 00001F5Bh
  Data Address: 97BFD000h  Length: 00000918h
BTCPCOM.NLM      BTCPCOM.NLM v7.90.000, Build 253  
  Version 7.90   July 9, 2003
  Code Address: 97CDC000h  Length: 00004450h
  Data Address: 97BFA000h  Length: 00000CECh
LLDAPX.NLM       NetWare Extension APIs for LDAP SDK (LibC version)
  Version 3.05.01   August 21, 2007
  Code Address: 97CCC000h  Length: 00005DC5h
  Data Address: 97BF9000h  Length: 00000EF0h
LLDAPSSL.NLM     NetWare SSL Library for LDAP SDK (LibC version)
  Version 3.05.01   August 21, 2007
  Code Address: 98139000h  Length: 00097B47h
  Data Address: 981D1000h  Length: 00032034h
SYSCALLS.NLM     NetWare Operating System Call and Marshalling Library
  Version 5.61   August 2, 2007
  Code Address: 980D8000h  Length: 0000F50Eh
  Data Address: 980E8000h  Length: 0000B4ECh
LBURP.NLM        LDAP Bulkload Update/Replication Protocol service extension for Novell eDirectory 8.8
  Version 20214.30   August 21, 2007
  Code Address: 97D59000h  Length: 0000110Ch
  Data Address: 97B65000h  Length: 00000444h
APACHE2.NLM      Apache Web Server 2.0.59
  Version 2.00.59   March 13, 2007
  Code Address: 98065000h  Length: 00039AD9h
  Data Address: 9809F000h  Length: 0001194Ch
APRLIB.NLM       Apache Portability Runtime Library 0.9.12
  Version 0.09.12   March 13, 2007
  Code Address: 98011000h  Length: 0002E498h
  Data Address: 98040000h  Length: 00008090h
LDAPXS.NLM        (Clib version)
  Version 3.05.01   August 21, 2007
  Code Address: 95E46000h  Length: 00004706h
  Data Address: 97A45000h  Length: 000008C0h
NMASLDAP.NLM     NMAS LDAP Extensions 3.2.0.0 20070914
  Version 32000709.14   September 14, 2007
  Code Address: 9762F000h  Length: 00004E1Ch
  Data Address: 97FDF000h  Length: 000007D0h
NDSIMON.NLM      NDS iMonitor 2.4
  Version 20113.13   August 28, 2007
  Code Address: 9748C000h  Length: 00112B59h
  Data Address: 9759F000h  Length: 0008FA54h
LANGMANI.NLM     Novell Cross-Platform Language Manager
  Version 10210.57   August 21, 2007
  Code Address: 97487000h  Length: 000040F2h
  Data Address: 97ECD000h  Length: 00001084h
XI18N.NLM        Novell Cross-Platform Internationalization Package
  Version 10310.53   August 2, 2005
  Code Address: 97E84000h  Length: 0001CA12h
  Data Address: 9747F000h  Length: 00007EC8h
VOLSMS.NLM       NSS Distributed Volume Manager (Build 263  MP)
  Version 3.26   September 14, 2007
  Code Address: 97DF9000h  Length: 000186A1h
  Data Address: 97E12000h  Length: 00001780h
VLRPC.NLM        DFS Volume Location Database (VLDB) RPC interface (Build 536  MP)
  Version 3.26   September 14, 2007
  Code Address: 97DF2000h  Length: 00003373h
  Data Address: 97DF6000h  Length: 000002FDh
VMRPC.NLM        DFS Volume Manager RPC interface (Build 403  MP)
  Version 3.26   September 14, 2007
  Code Address: 97DE8000h  Length: 00003703h
  Data Address: 97DEC000h  Length: 000002FDh
JSTCP.NLM        Jetstream TCP Transport Layer (Build 589  MP)
  Version 3.26   September 14, 2007
  Code Address: 97350000h  Length: 000050F0h
  Data Address: 97DD7000h  Length: 000001E0h
JSMSG.NLM        Jetstream Message Layer (Build 611  MP)
  Version 3.26   September 14, 2007
  Code Address: 97349000h  Length: 00006E80h
  Data Address: 97D8B000h  Length: 00000220h
DFSLIB.NLM       DFS Common Library (Build 502  MP)
  Version 3.26   September 14, 2007
  Code Address: 97DA8000h  Length: 000005C3h
  Data Address: 97DA9000h  Length: 00000080h
PORTAL.NLM       Novell Remote Manager NLM
  Version 4.03   September 12, 2007
  Code Address: 9768B000h  Length: 000FF1DCh
  Data Address: 97370000h  Length: 00069504h
RCONAG6.NLM      RConsole Agent for Netware 
  Version 6.10.09   February 1, 2006
  Code Address: 95E05000h  Length: 00006C5Bh
  Data Address: 97357000h  Length: 00003304h
SAS.NLM          Secure Authentication Services
  Version 1.75   March 13, 2004
  Code Address: 973DB000h  Length: 00056640h
  Data Address: 97432000h  Length: 0001E890h
NLDAP.NLM        LDAP Agent for Novell eDirectory 8.8 SP2
  Version 20216.43   August 28, 2007
  Code Address: 95BCA000h  Length: 00087F0Bh
  Data Address: 95C52000h  Length: 0004FDF0h
HTTPSTK.NLM      Novell Small Http Interface
  Version 4.03   July 17, 2007
  Code Address: 97180000h  Length: 000317A6h
  Data Address: 971B2000h  Length: 00019C10h
WSPSSL.NLM       NetWare Winsock Service 1.0 NLM for SSL
  Version 6.25.08   September 18, 2007
  Code Address: 97166000h  Length: 00008910h
  Data Address: 9716F000h  Length: 0001092Fh

From mgorn at fxcm.com  Tue Sep  9 18:34:40 2008
From: mgorn at fxcm.com (Michael Gorn)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:34:40 -0400
Subject: Mystery abend on a clean NW65 SP7
In-Reply-To: <48C6795A.87FF.00C4.0@fxcm.com>
References: <48C67768.87FF.00C4.0@fxcm.com> <48C6795A.87FF.00C4.0@fxcm.com>
Message-ID: <48C67B6F.87FF.00C4.0@fxcm.com>

Here's a list of loaded NLM's from the abend.log (part 2):
 
Loaded Modules: 

NILE.NLM         Novell N/Ties NLM  ("") Release Build with symbols
  Version 7.00.01   August 20, 2007
  Code Address: 95D4B000h  Length: 00090A31h
  Data Address: 970AA000h  Length: 00030C70h
PKI.NLM          Novell Certificate Server
  Version 3.30   August 15, 2007
  Code Address: 96AE5000h  Length: 0014ED75h
  Data Address: 95CB9000h  Length: 00076B20h
PKIAPI.NLM       Public Key Infrastructure Services
  Version 2.23.10   November 20, 2004
  Code Address: 97072000h  Length: 00037721h
  Data Address: 95CB2000h  Length: 00006A14h
NWUTIL.NLM       Novell Utility Library NLM  (_NW65[SP7]{""})
  Version 3.00.02   August 20, 2007
  Code Address: 9703F000h  Length: 0000EE40h
  Data Address: 9704E000h  Length: 00023BD4h
NWBSRVCM.NLM     NWBSRVCM.NLM v7.90.000, Build 230  
  Version 7.90   March 20, 2001
  Code Address: 95BB9000h  Length: 00006776h
  Data Address: 968ED000h  Length: 00000AD0h
MONDATA.NLM      NetWare 5.x/6.x Monitor MIB
  Version 6.00   July 18, 2003
  Code Address: 96FEF000h  Length: 00008C9Fh
  Data Address: 95BAE000h  Length: 00004DD1h
NWIDK.NLM        CDWare Volume Module
  Version 3.01.01   September 19, 2003
  Code Address: 95BB4000h  Length: 00004640h
  Data Address: 968D3000h  Length: 00000730h
SERVINST.NLM     NetWare 5.x/6.x Instrumentation
  Version 5.00.13   November 21, 2005
  Code Address: 96FCD000h  Length: 00010D4Ch
  Data Address: 95BA1000h  Length: 00007744h
NWTRAP.NLM       NetWare 5.x/6.x Trap Monitor
  Version 6.00.05   June 6, 2005
  Code Address: 95B9A000h  Length: 000066C3h
  Data Address: 96FC2000h  Length: 0000A2E0h
HOSTMIB.NLM      NetWare 5.x/6.x Host Resources MIB
  Version 5.03.01   December 1, 2006
  Code Address: 96FB6000h  Length: 0000BB80h
  Data Address: 95FF5000h  Length: 00003D88h
LCMCIFS2.NLM     Windows Native File Access Login Methods (Build 83  SP)
  Version 2.00.09   July 25, 2005
  Code Address: 96F74000h  Length: 0000E011h
  Data Address: 95EB2000h  Length: 000016B0h
LSMCIFS2.NLM     Windows Native File Access Login Methods (Build 94  SP)
  Version 2.00.07   July 25, 2005
  Code Address: 96F64000h  Length: 0000F051h
  Data Address: 95EB0000h  Length: 000017B0h
LSMAFP3.NLM      Macintosh Native File Access Login Methods (Build 103  SP)
  Version 2.00.11   May 10, 2004
  Code Address: 96F54000h  Length: 0000F24Eh
  Data Address: 95EA8000h  Length: 000013C0h
NMASGPXY.NLM     NMAS Generic Proxy 3.2.0.0 20070914
  Version 32000709.14   September 14, 2007
  Code Address: 95EA6000h  Length: 000015BCh
  Data Address: 967FF000h  Length: 000000E0h
X509LSM.NLM      Novell X.509 LSM
  Version 1.04   March 31, 2004
  Code Address: 96F46000h  Length: 0000D578h
  Data Address: 95E9E000h  Length: 00001450h
USCLSM.NLM       Novell Universal SmartCard LSM
  Version 1.05   March 31, 2004
  Code Address: 96F35000h  Length: 00010376h
  Data Address: 95E98000h  Length: 00001550h
ETADVLSM.NLM     Novell ETAdv LSM
  Version 1.05   March 31, 2004
  Code Address: 96F24000h  Length: 00010376h
  Data Address: 95E90000h  Length: 00001550h
LCMMD5.NLM       NMAS MD5 LCM
  Version 1.10   March 31, 2004
  Code Address: 96F0D000h  Length: 0000D8EBh
  Data Address: 95E8C000h  Length: 000014A0h
LSMMD5.NLM       NMAS DIGEST MD5 LSM
  Version 1.10   March 31, 2004
  Code Address: 96EFD000h  Length: 0000FD6Bh
  Data Address: 95E86000h  Length: 00001410h
CRLSM.NLM        Challenge Response LSM v2.7.5.0
  Version 2.07.05   August 20, 2007
  Code Address: 96E93000h  Length: 00021A26h
  Data Address: 96EB5000h  Length: 00009256h
CERTLCM.NLM      NMAS External LCM
  Version 2.00   March 31, 2004
  Code Address: 96E21000h  Length: 0000D88Bh
  Data Address: 95E7E000h  Length: 00001360h
CERTLSM.NLM      NMAS External LSM
  Version 2.00   March 31, 2004
  Code Address: 96DE4000h  Length: 0000E5FBh
  Data Address: 95E78000h  Length: 00001370h
X509ALSM.NLM     Novell X.509 Adv LSM
  Version 1.05   March 31, 2004
  Code Address: 96DA3000h  Length: 00010376h
  Data Address: 95E6E000h  Length: 00001550h
LSMAFP.NLM       NMAS Login Server Method for the Apple Filing Protocol
  Version 1.02   May 6, 2003
  Code Address: 96D6C000h  Length: 0000E3CAh
  Data Address: 95E66000h  Length: 00001290h
LSMCIFS.NLM      NMAS Login Server Module for CIFS - MS Windows File System for NetWare
  Version 1.20   March 5, 2003
  Code Address: 96D28000h  Length: 0000EB2Ah
  Data Address: 95E60000h  Length: 00001610h
ZIP.NLM          Java zip (based on 1.4.2_13)
  Version 1.42.09   September 13, 2007
  Code Address: 96737000h  Length: 0000ADCCh
  Data Address: 958E7000h  Length: 00001C90h
JVMLIB.NLM       Java jvmlib (based on 1.4.2_13)
  Version 1.42.09   September 13, 2007
  Code Address: 96682000h  Length: 00017124h
  Data Address: 9669A000h  Length: 00008670h
VERIFY.NLM       Java verify (based on 1.4.2_13)
  Version 1.42.09   September 13, 2007
  Code Address: 965DA000h  Length: 000087B4h
  Data Address: 965E3000h  Length: 00001BC0h
JVM.NLM          Java Hotspot 1.4.2_13 Interpreter
  Version 1.42.09   September 13, 2007
  Code Address: 9620D000h  Length: 002215BFh
  Data Address: 96025000h  Length: 000652C0h
LIBPERL.NLM      Perl 5.8.4 - Script Interpreter and Library
  Version 5.00.05   September 13, 2005
  Code Address: 960F2000h  Length: 000B3D60h
  Data Address: 961A6000h  Length: 0001ADE0h
IPMGMT.NLM       TCPIP - NetWare IP Address Management 
  Version 1.03.01   May 29, 2007
  Code Address: 95A75000h  Length: 000307CDh
  Data Address: 95AA6000h  Length: 0000D778h
JSOCK6X.NLM      NetWare 6.x Support For Java Sockets (JDK 1.4.2)
  Version 1.42.09   September 13, 2007
  Code Address: 95A3A000h  Length: 0000FDB1h
  Data Address: 95A4A000h  Length: 00002C44h
JAVA.NLM         java.nlm (based on 1.4.2_13)  Build 07091313 
  Version 1.42.09   September 13, 2007
  Code Address: 95991000h  Length: 000385DEh
  Data Address: 959CA000h  Length: 0003DD40h
JSOCK.NLM        Support For Java Sockets (loader)
  Version 1.42.09   September 13, 2007
  Code Address: 9594B000h  Length: 00000086h
  Data Address: 9594C000h  Length: 00000064h
NSPDNS.NLM       NetWare Winsock 2.0 NSPDNS.NLM Name Service Providers
  Version 6.20.03   September 8, 2003
  Code Address: 9593C000h  Length: 00002527h
  Data Address: 9593F000h  Length: 000004E4h
SLPTCP.NLM       SERVICE LOCATION TCP/UDP INTERFACE (RFC2165/RFC2608)
  Version 2.13   November 15, 2005
  Code Address: 958DC000h  Length: 0000386Ah
  Data Address: 958E0000h  Length: 0000108Ch
WSPIP.NLM        NetWare Winsock Service 1.0 NLM for TCP and UDP
  Version 6.23.06   September 18, 2007
  Code Address: 9575C000h  Length: 00010224h
  Data Address: 9576D000h  Length: 0000283Ch
NCPIP.NLM        NetWare NCP Services over IP
  Version 6.02   October 6, 2006
  Code Address: 956C4000h  Length: 000168E9h
  Data Address: 956DB000h  Length: 00003540h
BSDSOCK.NLM      Novell BSDSOCK Module  
  Version 6.81.03   April 23, 2007
  Code Address: 9445A000h  Length: 00011BF9h
  Data Address: 9446C000h  Length: 0000C0E0h
TCPIP.NLM        Novell TCP/IP Stack - Network module (NULL encryption)  
  Version 6.81.09   August 8, 2007
  Code Address: 9363A000h  Length: 0004E7DCh
  Data Address: 938C0000h  Length: 00038D30h
TCP.NLM          Novell TCP/IP Stack - Transport module (NULL encryption)  
  Version 6.81.04   August 8, 2007
  Code Address: 936EC000h  Length: 000252B2h
  Data Address: 9380D000h  Length: 0007EEE0h
NETLIB.NLM       Novell TCPIP NETLIB Module  
  Version 6.50.22   February 12, 2003
  Code Address: 9372E000h  Length: 00005AACh
  Data Address: 93734000h  Length: 000D0710h
CSLIND.NLM       TCPIP CSL INDEPENDENCE MODULE 7Dec99  7Dec99
  Version 4.21   December 7, 1999
  Code Address: 93627000h  Length: 000003CCh
  Data Address: 93628000h  Length: 000024E0h
LSAPI.NLM        NLS LSAPI Library
  Version 5.02   January 7, 2003
  Code Address: 93610000h  Length: 0000A51Bh
  Data Address: 9361B000h  Length: 00001B00h
NPKIAPI.NLM      Public Key Infrastructure Services
  Version 3.30   August 15, 2007
  Code Address: 9359A000h  Length: 00034A17h
  Data Address: 935CF000h  Length: 0001D09Fh
LDAPSDK.NLM      LDAP SDK Library (Clib version)
  Version 3.05.01   August 21, 2007
  Code Address: 93571000h  Length: 00020C43h
  Data Address: 93592000h  Length: 00006B8Dh
NLSAPI.NLM       NLSAPI
  Version 5.02   August 7, 2003
  Code Address: 9346F000h  Length: 000124DBh
  Data Address: 93482000h  Length: 000022A4h
BX2.LAN          Broadcom NetXtreme II Gigabit Ethernet Driver
  Version 3.41   April 30, 2007
  Code Address: 91721000h  Length: 0000DC68h
  Data Address: 1F67F000h  Length: 00041640h
ETHERTSM.NLM     Novell Ethernet Topology Specific Module
  Version 3.90   March 20, 2006
  Code Address: 923DC000h  Length: 000024CEh
  Data Address: 91720000h  Length: 000002BCh
MSM.NLM          Novell Multi-Processor Media Support Module
  Version 4.12   August 22, 2007
  Code Address: 91711000h  Length: 0000E5B3h
  Data Address: 917B9000h  Length: 00003DFCh
CONNAUD.NLM      NLS - Connection Metering
  Version 3.17   May 10, 2005
  Code Address: 917D3000h  Length: 000034D3h
  Data Address: 91706000h  Length: 00000A9Ch
NLSMETER.NLM     NLS - Software Usage Metering Database
  Version 3.43   May 10, 2005
  Code Address: 80125000h  Length: 0000E597h
  Data Address: 916EB000h  Length: 0000759Ch
NLSLSP.NLM       NLS - License Service Provider
  Version 5.02   May 25, 2005
  Code Address: 922F5000h  Length: 0006DF03h
  Data Address: 92363000h  Length: 000205DCh
CSL.NLM          NetWare Call Support Layer For NetWare
  Version 2.06.02   January 13, 2000
  Code Address: 922E8000h  Length: 0000CB32h
  Data Address: 91771000h  Length: 000028F4h
BTRIEVE.NLM      BTRIEVE.NLM v7.90.000 
  Version 7.90   March 21, 2001
  Code Address: 9174D000h  Length: 000013BFh
  Data Address: 9174F000h  Length: 00000980h
NWMKDE.NLM       NWMKDE.NLM v7.94.251.000 
  Version 7.94   December 11, 2001
  Code Address: 915D1000h  Length: 00053D55h
  Data Address: 91AA3000h  Length: 0000F784h
NWENC103.NLM     NWENC103.NLM v7.90.000 (Text Encoding Conversion Library)
  Version 7.90   February 24, 2001
  Code Address: 91830000h  Length: 0004D0F5h
  Data Address: 9187E000h  Length: 001B0208h
NWAIF103.NLM     nwaif103.nlm v7.94, Build 251 ()
  Version 7.94   November 30, 2001
  Code Address: 915C0000h  Length: 00010E51h
  Data Address: 90DF3000h  Length: 00006828h
PSVCS.NLM        Portability Services
  Version 251.00   November 30, 2001
  Code Address: 91556000h  Length: 0001270Fh
  Data Address: 91569000h  Length: 00009464h
NWUCMGR.NLM      NWUCMGR.NLM v1.5 Build 230 
  Version 1.05   March 14, 2001
  Code Address: 91504000h  Length: 0000D920h
  Data Address: 90D9D000h  Length: 000078D4h
SPMDCLNT.NLM     Novell SPM Client for DClient 3.2.0.0 20070914
  Version 32000709.14   September 14, 2007
  Code Address: 913E5000h  Length: 0001459Bh
  Data Address: 90CBD000h  Length: 00001370h
SNMP.NLM         Netware 4.x/5.x/6.x SNMP Service
  Version 4.18   July 25, 2006
  Code Address: 913D0000h  Length: 00013E90h
  Data Address: 90CAF000h  Length: 00003220h
TLI.NLM          NetWare Transport Level Interface Library 
  Version 4.30.02   December 19, 2000
  Code Address: 90CA0000h  Length: 00003859h
  Data Address: 90CA4000h  Length: 00000164h
  Global Code Address: 90CA5000h  Length: 00001000h
  Global Data Address: 90CA6000h  Length: 00002000h
DHOST.NLM        Novell DHost Portability Interface 1.0.0 SMP
  Version 10010.97   September 18, 2006
  Code Address: 90C70000h  Length: 00006621h
  Data Address: 90C77000h  Length: 0000234Ch
NSPNDS.NLM       NetWare Winsock 2.0 NSPNDS.NLM Name Service Provider
  Version 6.20   November 12, 2001
  Code Address: 90C68000h  Length: 00006547h
  Data Address: 90C6F000h  Length: 00000518h
CONLOG.NLM       System Console Logger  
  Version 3.01.02   August 8, 2006
  Code Address: 90C40000h  Length: 0000243Ch
  Data Address: 801B2000h  Length: 00001CE0h
NPKIT.NLM        Public Key Infrastructure Services
  Version 3.30   August 15, 2007
  Code Address: 91351000h  Length: 0002E1CEh
  Data Address: 91380000h  Length: 00016433h
LLDAPSDK.NLM     LDAP SDK Library (LibC version)
  Version 3.05.01   August 21, 2007
  Code Address: 9132F000h  Length: 00021E53h
  Data Address: 8A465000h  Length: 00006BA0h
DS.NLM           Novell eDirectory Version 8.8 SP2 SMP
  Version 20216.51   August 28, 2007
  Code Address: 90F77000h  Length: 002C5A89h
  Data Address: 90397000h  Length: 0008AFD8h
ROLLCALL.NLM     RollCall NLM (101, API 1.0)
  Version 5.00   July 27, 1998
  Code Address: 90F75000h  Length: 0000055Dh
  Data Address: 90F76000h  Length: 000002D4h
NTLS.NLM         NTLS 2.0.2.0 based on OpenSSL 0.9.7m
  Version 20210.01   August 20, 2007
  Code Address: 90459000h  Length: 000A6F76h
  Data Address: 90F21000h  Length: 000390AFh
DSLOG.NLM        DS Log for Novell eDirectory 8.8.0
  Version 20216.51   August 28, 2007
  Code Address: 90F0F000h  Length: 00003CADh
  Data Address: 90F13000h  Length: 0000A7ACh
SAL.NLM          Novell System Abstraction Layer  Version 2.3.1 
  Version 20411.33   August 21, 2007
  Code Address: 90EED000h  Length: 000086D6h
  Data Address: 902A6000h  Length: 00001554h
POLIMGR.NLM      NetWare License Policy Manager
  Version 6.27   November 3, 2005
  Code Address: 90A4C000h  Length: 00013F5Ch
  Data Address: 90A60000h  Length: 00008E90h
TIMESYNC.NLM     NetWare Time Synchronization Services
  Version 6.61.01   October 14, 2005
  Code Address: 90A37000h  Length: 0000E13Ch
  Data Address: 90295000h  Length: 00004240h
DSAPI.NLM        NetWare NWNet Runtime Library
  Version 6.00.04   January 27, 2006
  Code Address: 90293000h  Length: 00000043h
  Data Address: 90294000h  Length: 00000024h
DSEVENT.NLM      NetWare DSEvent Runtime Library
  Version 6.01.01   September 18, 2007
  Code Address: 90291000h  Length: 00000633h
  Data Address: 90292000h  Length: 00000034h
NETNLM32.NLM     NetWare NWNet Runtime Library
  Version 6.01.01   September 18, 2007
  Code Address: 909FE000h  Length: 00035B17h
  Data Address: 90288000h  Length: 00004D65h
SPMNWCC.NLM      Novell SPM Client for NWCC 3.2.0.0 20070914
  Version 32000709.14   September 14, 2007
  Code Address: 909E6000h  Length: 0001193Bh
  Data Address: 9025C000h  Length: 00001340h
NMAS.NLM         Novell Modular Authentication Service 3.2.0.0 20070914
  Version 32000709.14   September 14, 2007
  Code Address: 902BC000h  Length: 0005B9E8h
  Data Address: 909D3000h  Length: 0000CD70h
GAMS.NLM         Graded Authentication Management Service
  Version 1.20   October 8, 2004
  Code Address: 909C5000h  Length: 0000D867h
  Data Address: 90254000h  Length: 000012B8h
NDSAUDIT.NLM     Directory Services Audit
  Version 2.09   May 22, 2003
  Code Address: 909AB000h  Length: 00010844h
  Data Address: 909BC000h  Length: 00002ED0h
NICISDI.NLM      Security Domain Infrastructure
  Version 27310.01.01   June 4, 2007
  Code Address: 90951000h  Length: 0000ACC2h
  Data Address: 2C806000h  Length: 000012A0h
SASDFM.NLM       SAS Data Flow Manager
  Version 27310.01.01   June 4, 2007
  Code Address: 901FC000h  Length: 000040AEh
  Data Address: 2EEEC000h  Length: 00000980h
CALNLM32.NLM     NetWare NWCalls Runtime Library
  Version 6.01.01   September 18, 2007
  Code Address: 9091E000h  Length: 0001CEB9h
  Data Address: 90177000h  Length: 00000510h
CLXNLM32.NLM     NetWare NWCLX Runtime Library
  Version 6.01.01   September 18, 2007
  Code Address: 90174000h  Length: 000011F3h
  Data Address: 90176000h  Length: 000001B0h

From mgorn at fxcm.com  Tue Sep  9 19:01:02 2008
From: mgorn at fxcm.com (Michael Gorn)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:01:02 -0400
Subject: Mystery abend on a clean NW65 SP7
In-Reply-To: <48C67B6F.87FF.00C4.0@fxcm.com>
References: <48C67768.87FF.00C4.0@fxcm.com> <48C6795A.87FF.00C4.0@fxcm.com>
	<48C67B6F.87FF.00C4.0@fxcm.com>
Message-ID: <48C6819E.87FF.00C4.0@fxcm.com>

Here's a list of loaded NLM's from the abend.log (part 3):

Loaded Modules: 

NCPNLM32.NLM     NetWare NWNCP Runtime Library
  Version 6.01.01   September 18, 2007
  Code Address: 908C3000h  Length: 0001F483h
  Data Address: 00000000h  Length: 00000000h
CLNNLM32.NLM     NetWare NWClient Runtime Library
  Version 6.01.01   September 18, 2007
  Code Address: 9016D000h  Length: 00001CC2h
  Data Address: 9016F000h  Length: 00000150h
CLIB.NLM         (Legacy) Standard C Runtime Library for NLMs
  Version 5.90.14   December 14, 2006
  Code Address: 90878000h  Length: 0001898Eh
  Data Address: 90891000h  Length: 00002FB0h
NIT.NLM          NetWare Interface Tools Library for NLMs
  Version 5.90.14   December 14, 2006
  Code Address: 90858000h  Length: 0001C694h
  Data Address: 90165000h  Length: 00000690h
NLMLIB.NLM       Novell NLM Runtime Library
  Version 5.90.14   December 14, 2006
  Code Address: 90808000h  Length: 000263EDh
  Data Address: 9082F000h  Length: 000038C0h
STREAMS.NLM      NetWare STREAMS  PTF
  Version 6.00.06   May 4, 2005
  Code Address: 907EC000h  Length: 0001206Dh
  Data Address: 90160000h  Length: 000010A0h
  Global Code Address: 90135000h  Length: 00001000h
REQUESTR.NLM     Novell NCP Requestor for NLMs
  Version 5.90.14   December 14, 2006
  Code Address: 907AB000h  Length: 00020D53h
  Data Address: 900DD000h  Length: 000010B0h
THREADS.NLM      Novell Threads Package for NLMs
  Version 5.90.14   December 14, 2006
  Code Address: 90780000h  Length: 00018CD8h
  Data Address: 90799000h  Length: 000116A0h
LIB0.NLM         Novell Ring 0 Library for NLMs
  Version 5.90.14   December 14, 2006
  Code Address: 90519000h  Length: 000250EAh
  Data Address: 9053F000h  Length: 00228070h
MASV.NLM         Mandatory Access Control Service
  Version 1.50   July 27, 2006
  Code Address: 901C1000h  Length: 00011F26h
  Data Address: 901D3000h  Length: 00002390h
NSPSLP.NLM       NetWare Winsock 2.0 NSPSLP.NLM Name Service Provider
  Version 6.20.02   September 8, 2003
  Code Address: 90103000h  Length: 00005ED3h
  Data Address: 900B8000h  Length: 00000B30h
PMLODR.NLM       PMLodr for NW65
  Version 1.26   October 7, 2005
  Code Address: 9011E000h  Length: 0000E63Ah
  Data Address: 900B4000h  Length: 00001658h
SLP.NLM          SERVICE LOCATION PROTOCOL (RFC2165/RFC2608)
  Version 2.13   November 15, 2005
  Code Address: 900DF000h  Length: 0001A658h
  Data Address: 900FA000h  Length: 00005384h
CCS.NLM          Controlled Cryptography Services from Novell, Inc.
  Version 27310.01.01   June 4, 2007
  Code Address: 90093000h  Length: 00019EC4h
  Data Address: 2C800000h  Length: 00002F90h
DSLOADER.NLM     Novell eDirectory Version 8.8.0 Loader SMP
  Version 20216.51   August 28, 2007
  Code Address: 8FFE2000h  Length: 0000C79Ch
  Data Address: 8FFEF000h  Length: 00001280h
XENGUSC.NLM      NICI U.S./Worldwide XENG from Novell, Inc.
  Version 27310.01.01   June 4, 2007
  Code Address: 8FFCF000h  Length: 00000058h
  Data Address: 00000000h  Length: 00000000h
XNGAUSC.NLM      NICI U.S./Worldwide XMGR Assistant XENG from Novell, Inc.
  Version 27310.01.01   June 4, 2007
  Code Address: 8FF9A000h  Length: 000153E4h
  Data Address: 2C9FA000h  Length: 000044E4h
XENGEXP.NLM      NICI Import Restricted XENG from Novell, Inc.
  Version 27310.01.01   June 4, 2007
  Code Address: 8A414000h  Length: 00050A44h
  Data Address: 2CC71000h  Length: 0001485Ch
XENGNUL.NLM      NICI NULL XENG from Novell, Inc.
  Version 27310.01.01   June 4, 2007
  Code Address: 8FF87000h  Length: 00001DC9h
  Data Address: 2C9FF000h  Length: 00000860h
XMGR.NLM         NICI XMGR from Novell, Inc.
  Version 27310.01.01   June 4, 2007
  Code Address: 8FE22000h  Length: 00025FB1h
  Data Address: 2CC56000h  Length: 0000A9D0h
XSUP.NLM         NICI XSUP from Novell, Inc.
  Version 27310.01.01   June 4, 2007
  Code Address: 8FDAD000h  Length: 00006EF2h
  Data Address: 2CC32000h  Length: 00023170h
XIM.XLM          Novell NICI Signed Loader
  Version 27310.01.01   June 4, 2007
  Code Address: 8FD4A000h  Length: 0002C460h
  Data Address: 2CC2A000h  Length: 00007904h
WS2_32.NLM       NetWare Winsock 2.0 NLM
  Version 6.23.05   September 18, 2007
  Code Address: 8F9AA000h  Length: 00037C48h
  Data Address: 8F9E2000h  Length: 00011AF4h
NCP.NLM          NetWare Core Protocol (NCP) Engine
  Version 5.61   July 20, 2007
  Code Address: 8F969000h  Length: 00026DEFh
  Data Address: 8F990000h  Length: 00018B24h
QUEUE.NLM        NetWare Queue Services NLM
  Version 5.60   May 24, 2001
  Code Address: 8F960000h  Length: 00006D8Dh
  Data Address: 8F967000h  Length: 00000473h
VDISK.NLM        NetWare Virtual Disk
  Version 1.00   November 30, 2004
  Code Address: 8F905000h  Length: 00001FEEh
  Data Address: 8B08D000h  Length: 00001160h
NWTERMIO.NLM     NetWare Terminal Emulation
  Version 1.00   September 11, 2006
  Code Address: 8B056000h  Length: 00007570h
  Data Address: 8B074000h  Length: 00004560h
MALHLP.NLM       NSS Configure help messages (Build 436  MP)
  Version 3.26   September 14, 2007
  Code Address: 8AA14000h  Length: 000000BAh
  Data Address: 8AA15000h  Length: 0000002Ah
CDDVD.NSS        NSS Loadable Storage System (LSS) for CD/UDF (Build 318  MP)
  Version 3.26   September 14, 2007
  Code Address: 8B090000h  Length: 00014B00h
  Data Address: 8AEA2000h  Length: 00001050h
NSSIDK.NSS       NSS Pool Configuration Manager (Build 490  MP)
  Version 3.26   September 14, 2007
  Code Address: 8AE9E000h  Length: 000039C5h
  Data Address: 8AA11000h  Length: 00000090h
PARTAPI.NLM      Partition APIs for NetWare 6.1
  Version 2.00   April 17, 2002
  Code Address: 8AA10000h  Length: 00000007h
  Data Address: 00000000h  Length: 00000000h
VOLMN.NSS        NSS Distributed Volume Manager (Build 451  MP)
  Version 3.26   September 14, 2007
  Code Address: 8B060000h  Length: 0000A6A3h
  Data Address: 8AA09000h  Length: 000005B0h
NWSA.NSS         NSS NetWare Semantic Agent (NWSA) (Build 1394  MP)
  Version 3.26   September 14, 2007
  Code Address: 8AC4A000h  Length: 0004ADCEh
  Data Address: 8AFAD000h  Length: 000A1390h
ZLSS.NSS         NSS Journaled Storage System (ZLSS) (Build 1926  MP)
  Version 3.26   September 14, 2007
  Code Address: 8ACB5000h  Length: 000CCED6h
  Data Address: 8AFA1000h  Length: 0000BE30h
MAL.NSS          NSS Media Access Layer (MAL) (Build 640  MP)
  Version 3.26   September 14, 2007
  Code Address: 8ACB1000h  Length: 00003196h
  Data Address: 8A9FE000h  Length: 00000170h
MANAGE.NSS       NSS Management Functions (Build 733  MP)
  Version 3.26   September 14, 2007
  Code Address: 80160000h  Length: 0004F0C5h
  Data Address: 8A9F6000h  Length: 00000C20h
COMN.NSS         NSS Common Support Layer (COMN) (Build 2997  MP)
  Version 3.26   September 19, 2007
  Code Address: 8AD8B000h  Length: 000EE978h
  Data Address: 8AE7A000h  Length: 00015DD0h
NSS.NLM          NSS (Novell Storage Services) (Build 1062  MP)
  Version 3.26   September 14, 2007
  Code Address: 8AA94000h  Length: 00030420h
  Data Address: 8AAC5000h  Length: 00091830h
SYSLOG.NLM       NetWare Logfile Daemon
  Version 6.05.03   December 7, 2006
  Code Address: 8A9E9000h  Length: 0000616Ah
  Data Address: 8AA25000h  Length: 00026140h
LIBNSS.NLM       Generic Library used by NSS (Build 204  MP)
  Version 3.26   September 14, 2007
  Code Address: 8A9F0000h  Length: 0000464Ch
  Data Address: 8A9F5000h  Length: 000003D0h
NSSWIN.NLM       NSS ASCI Window API Library (Build 216  MP)
  Version 3.26   September 14, 2007
  Code Address: 8A9E2000h  Length: 000047DCh
  Data Address: 8A9E7000h  Length: 000000FCh
LOCNLM32.NLM     NetWare NWLocale Runtime Library
  Version 6.00.04   November 29, 2005
  Code Address: 8A9D5000h  Length: 000044BBh
  Data Address: 8A9DA000h  Length: 00000B30h
UNICODE.NLM      NetWare Unicode Runtime Library (UniLib-based) [optimized]
  Version 7.00   October 26, 2004
  Code Address: 8A8A6000h  Length: 000016F5h
  Data Address: 8A9D1000h  Length: 00000504h
FILESYS.NLM      NetWare File System NLM
  Version 5.14   September 21, 2006
  Code Address: 8A916000h  Length: 0008E4E7h
  Data Address: 8A9A5000h  Length: 00012C90h
LFS.NLM          NetWare Logical File System NLM
  Version 5.12   September 21, 2005
  Code Address: 8A8FC000h  Length: 000098A2h
  Data Address: 8A906000h  Length: 000084BCh
CONNMGR.NLM      NetWare Connection Manager NLM
  Version 5.60.01   September 7, 2006
  Code Address: 8A8BF000h  Length: 0001172Bh
  Data Address: 8A8D1000h  Length: 00003CE8h
ACPIPWR.NLM      ACPI Power Management Driver for ACPI compliant systems
  Version 1.05.16   January 16, 2007
  Code Address: 8A894000h  Length: 00000C9Ah
  Data Address: 8A895000h  Length: 00000904h
ACPICMGR.NLM     ACPI Component Manager for ACPI compliant systems
  Version 1.05.16   January 16, 2007
  Code Address: 8A887000h  Length: 00000A6Fh
  Data Address: 8A888000h  Length: 000002F4h
QL2X00.HAM       QLogic QL2X00 HAM Driver
  Version 6.90.15   December 8, 2006
  Code Address: 8A752000h  Length: 0001380Fh
  Data Address: 30959000h  Length: 0006D750h
LSIMPTNW.HAM     LSI Logic Common Architecture NWPA-HAM SAS/Fibre/SCSI Driver.
  Version 4.01.07   September 20, 2006
  Code Address: 8A70A000h  Length: 00031C8Fh
  Data Address: 30A2C000h  Length: 000076C5h
IDEATA.HAM       Novell IDE/ATA/ATAPI/SATA Host Adapter Module
  Version 4.34   May 5, 2007
  Code Address: 8A66A000h  Length: 00010F67h
  Data Address: 31696000h  Length: 00005880h
SCSIHD.CDM       Novell NetWare SCSI Fixed Disk Custom Device Module
  Version 3.03.08   January 9, 2007
  Code Address: 8A664000h  Length: 00005413h
  Data Address: 00664000h  Length: 00001728h
IDECD.CDM        Novell ATA/IDE CD/DVD Custom Device Module
  Version 4.13   April 4, 2007
  Code Address: 8A5DB000h  Length: 00004201h
  Data Address: 00770000h  Length: 00001084h
ACPIDRV.PSM      ACPI Platform Support Module for ACPI compliant systems
  Version 1.05.19   January 16, 2007
  Code Address: 8A52C000h  Length: 0000AD1Eh
  Data Address: 007AF000h  Length: 0000C694h
ACPICA.NLM       ACPI Component Architecture for ACPI compliant systems
  Version 1.05.16   January 16, 2007
  Code Address: 8A374000h  Length: 0002BA90h
  Data Address: 8A3A0000h  Length: 00011C74h
ACPIASL.NLM      ACPI Architecture Services Layer for ACPI compliant systems
  Version 1.05.16   January 16, 2007
  Code Address: 8A331000h  Length: 00000F9Bh
  Data Address: 8A332000h  Length: 0000019Ch
EHCIDRV.CAD      Novell Universal Serial Bus EHCI driver
  Version 1.05   September 12, 2005
  Code Address: 8A338000h  Length: 00004C11h
  Data Address: 003FE000h  Length: 00000B18h
UHCIDRV.CAD      Novell Universal Serial Bus UHCI driver
  Version 1.07   October 24, 2005
  Code Address: 8A32C000h  Length: 00004F5Bh
  Data Address: 007EF000h  Length: 0000067Ch
CIOS.NLM         Consolidated IO System
  Version 1.60   September 10, 2007
  Code Address: 80210000h  Length: 0004268Ch
  Data Address: 00A47000h  Length: 00008B4Ah
LSL.NLM          Novell NetWare Link Support Layer
  Version 4.86   February 2, 2006
  Code Address: 89A88000h  Length: 0000A7A7h
  Data Address: 89A93000h  Length: 00009EC8h
NWPALOAD.NLM     NetWare 5 NWPA Load Utility
  Version 3.00   July 10, 2000
  Code Address: 89A62000h  Length: 00000007h
  Data Address: 00000000h  Length: 00000000h
NWPA.NLM         NetWare 6.5 NetWare Peripheral Architecture NLM
  Version 3.21.01   December 20, 2006
  Code Address: 89A3F000h  Length: 00016A56h
  Data Address: 899C7000h  Length: 000029ECh
MM.NLM           NetWare 6.5 Media Manager
  Version 3.22.05   May 7, 2007
  Code Address: 801C3000h  Length: 0004C204h
  Data Address: 899F7000h  Length: 0000B84Ch
SGUID.NLM        NetWare GUID Services
  Version 6.01   September 27, 2002
  Code Address: 899F5000h  Length: 00000E04h
  Data Address: 899F6000h  Length: 0000018Ah
NBI.NLM          NetWare Bus Interface
  Version 3.01.01   July 13, 2007
  Code Address: 899DE000h  Length: 0000D72Dh
  Data Address: 899A4000h  Length: 00003D8Dh
NEB.NLM          Novell Event Bus
  Version 5.60   September 27, 2004
  Code Address: 899AD000h  Length: 00005843h
  Data Address: 815E3000h  Length: 0000097Ch
DIAG500.NLM      Diagnostic/coredump utility for NetWare 6.x
  Version 3.04.01   August 20, 2007
  Code Address: 89965000h  Length: 00007F80h
  Data Address: 8996E000h  Length: 0001DF44h
CPUCHECK.NLM     NetWare Processor Checking Utility
  Version 5.60.01   February 1, 2007
  Code Address: 80150000h  Length: 00001B27h
  Data Address: 89934000h  Length: 00004B3Ch
NWKCFG.NLM       NetWare Kernel Config NLM
  Version 2.16   June 24, 2005
  Code Address: 89924000h  Length: 00003F4Fh
  Data Address: 89928000h  Length: 00003CA4h
CDBE.NLM         NetWare Configuration DB Engine
  Version 6.01   September 21, 2006
  Code Address: 896B8000h  Length: 000116E6h
  Data Address: 896CA000h  Length: 000161FAh
FATFS.NLM        FAT Filesystem Module for NetWare
  Version 1.24   August 27, 2007
  Code Address: 80859000h  Length: 00020526h
  Data Address: 8087A000h  Length: 0002B32Fh
LIBC.NLM         Standard C Runtime Library for NLMs [optimized, 7]
  Version 9.00.05   September 6, 2007
  Code Address: 80290000h  Length: 000D09B6h
  Data Address: 80361000h  Length: 000415D8h
PVER500.NLM      NetWare 6.XX Version Library
  Version 3.00   February 1, 2007
  Code Address: 8013B000h  Length: 00000837h
  Data Address: 8013C000h  Length: 000003DCh
SERVER.NLM       NetWare Server Operating System
  Version 5.70.07   September 18, 2007
  Code Address: 00202CC0h  Length: 0016A000h
  Data Address: 00402CC0h  Length: 00217340h
 
Memory at EAX
FBF17BA3  20555043 20676F48-65746544 64657463   UPC  goH eteD detc 
FBF17BB3  20796220 656D6954-69460072 7320656C   yb  emiT iF.r s el 
FBF17BC3  65767265 616E2072-6820656D 63207361  evre an r h em c sa 
FBF17BD3  676E6168 66206465-206D6F72 0A2E7325  gnah f de  mor ..s% 
FBF17BE3  616F4C00 676E6964-646F4D20 20656C75  aoL. gnid doM   elu 
FBF17BF3  4C005325 6964616F-6D20676E 6C75646F  L.S% idao m gn ludo 
FBF17C03  53252065 6F4C000A-6E696461 6E692067  S% e oL.. nida ni g 
FBF17C13  64646120 73736572-61707320 25206563  dda  sser aps  % ec 
FBF17C23  000A2E73 6E492020-696C6176 6F6C2064  ...s nI   ilav ol d 
FBF17C33  66206461 20656C69-6D726F66 000A7461  f da  eli mrof ..ta 
FBF17C43  6E492020 696C6176-6F6C2064 66206461  nI   ilav ol d f da 
FBF17C53  20656C69 73726576-0A6E6F69 4D202000   eli srev .noi M  . 
FBF17C63  6C75646F 616E2065-6920656D 53252073  ludo an e i em S% s 
FBF17C73  746F6E20 0A532520-41202000 6D657474  ton  .S%  A  . mett 
FBF17C83  74207470 6572206F-74696E69 696C6169  t tp er o tini ilai 
FBF17C93  7220657A 6E652D65-6E617274 6F6D2074  r ez ne-e nart om t 
 
Memory at EBX
Invalid dump address
 
Memory at ECX
8FB9D204  00BADBAD 00BADBAD-00000000 00000000  .:[- .:[- .... .... 
8FB9D214  FFFFFFFF 00000000-00000000 00000000  .... .... .... .... 
8FB9D224  00000000 00000000-00000000 00000000  .... .... .... .... 
8FB9D234  00000000 00000000-34343434 8FB61960  .... .... 4444 .6.` 
8FB9D244  8FB6DA20 00000001-00000000 00000000  .6Z  .... .... .... 
8FB9D254  8FCAD040 902588E0-00000000 00000000  .JP@ .%.` .... .... 
8FB9D264  00BADBAD 00BADBAD-00000000 00000000  .:[- .:[- .... .... 
8FB9D274  FFFFFFFF 00000000-00000000 00000000  .... .... .... .... 
8FB9D284  00000000 00000000-00000000 00000000  .... .... .... .... 
8FB9D294  00000000 00000000-34343434 8FB789C0  .... .... 4444 .7.@ 
8FB9D2A4  8F904A20 00000001-00000000 00000000  ..J  .... .... .... 
8FB9D2B4  8FCAD040 902588E0-00000000 00000000  .JP@ .%.` .... .... 
8FB9D2C4  00BADBAD 00BADBAD-00000000 00000000  .:[- .:[- .... .... 
8FB9D2D4  FFFFFFFF 00000000-00000000 00000000  .... .... .... .... 
8FB9D2E4  00000000 00000000-00000000 00000000  .... .... .... .... 
8FB9D2F4  00000000 00000000-34343434 8FB68D80  .... .... 4444 .6.. 
 
Memory at EDX
0007729D  46656572 46656572-46656572 46656572  Feer Feer Feer Feer 
000772AD  46656572 46656572-46656572 46656572  Feer Feer Feer Feer 
000772BD  46656572 46656572-46656572 46656572  Feer Feer Feer Feer 
000772CD  46656572 46656572-46656572 46656572  Feer Feer Feer Feer 
000772DD  46656572 46656572-46656572 46656572  Feer Feer Feer Feer 
000772ED  46656572 46656572-46656572 46656572  Feer Feer Feer Feer 
000772FD  46656572 46656572-46656572 46656572  Feer Feer Feer Feer 
0007730D  46656572 46656572-46656572 46656572  Feer Feer Feer Feer 
0007731D  46656572 46656572-46656572 46656572  Feer Feer Feer Feer 
0007732D  46656572 46656572-46656572 46656572  Feer Feer Feer Feer 
0007733D  46656572 46656572-46656572 46656572  Feer Feer Feer Feer 
0007734D  46656572 46656572-46656572 46656572  Feer Feer Feer Feer 
0007735D  46656572 46656572-46656572 46656572  Feer Feer Feer Feer 
0007736D  46656572 46656572-46656572 46656572  Feer Feer Feer Feer 
0007737D  46656572 46656572-46656572 46656572  Feer Feer Feer Feer 
0007738D  46656572 46656572-46656572 46656572  Feer Feer Feer Feer 
 
Memory at ESI
Invalid dump address
 
Memory at EDI
9799C032  44530512 0000006E-34340000 0E143434  DS.. ...n 44.. ..44 
9799C042  1D3FC20B DFC97E80-EB0D8E49 425A9C13  .?B. _I~. k..I BZ.. 
9799C052  61421311 00686374-34340000 0E173434  aB.. .hct 44.. ..44 
9799C062  1D3FC20B DFC97E80-EB0D8E49 475F9C13  .?B. _I~. k..I G_.. 
9799C072  4A53130C 00005C46-34340000 0E183434  JS.. ..\F 44.. ..44 
9799C082  1D3FC20B DFC97E80-EB0D8E49 5C5F9C13  .?B. _I~. k..I \_.. 
9799C092  4043051B 004B5057-34340000 0E173434  @C.. .KPW 44.. ..44 
9799C0A2  1D3FC20B DFC97E80-EB0D8E49 4B5E9C13  .?B. _I~. k..I K^.. 
9799C0B2  5355050A 0000574C-34340000 0E163434  SU.. ..WL 44.. ..44 
9799C0C2  1D3FC20B DFC97E80-EB0D8E49 4B579C13  .?B. _I~. k..I KW.. 
9799C0D2  444C1406 0000735A-34340000 0E133434  DL.. ..sZ 44.. ..44 
9799C0E2  1D3FC20B DFC97E80-EB0D8E49 5E569C13  .?B. _I~. k..I ^V.. 
9799C0F2  61650E1B 00000064-34340000 0E163434  ae.. ...d 44.. ..44 
9799C102  1D3FC20B DFC97E80-EB0D8E49 5E569C13  .?B. _I~. k..I ^V.. 
9799C112  44780E1B 0000005B-34340000 0E143434  Dx.. ...[ 44.. ..44 
9799C122  1D3FC20B DFC97E80-EB0D8E49 5A4A9C13  .?B. _I~. k..I ZJ.. 
 
Memory at EBP
Invalid dump address
 
Memory at ESP
A9154B2C  FBF17BA3 00111EC2-00002746 958063A0  {q{# ...B ..'F ..c  
A9154B3C  8FB9D1E0 8FBFEB40-00111E2D 8F9BBF06  .9Q` .?k@ ...- ..?. 
A9154B4C  8FB9D204 958063A0-A9154CB4 00000000  .9R. ..c  ).L4 .... 
A9154B5C  8FB971E0 00002746-8F9D4E1D 8FB9D1E0  .9q` ..'F ..N. .9Q` 
A9154B6C  8FB971E0 00002746-8FB97238 00000007  .9q` ..'F .9r8 .... 
A9154B7C  95761EE0 8FB9D1E0-8FB971E0 00002746  .v.` .9Q` .9q` ..'F 
A9154B8C  9363FCFC 938EA978-00000002 C9F83C0A  .c|| ..)x .... Ix<. 
A9154B9C  C9F83C0A 00000000-0079E148 00000282  Ix<. .... .yaH .... 
A9154BAC  93686ED0 00000282-89ACD384 9365B02D  .hnP .... .,S. .e0- 
A9154BBC  939DCC94 89ACD304-FFFFFFFF 89ACD348  ..L. .,S. .... .,SH 
A9154BCC  00000014 A84EA9EC-89ACD304 89ACD348  .... (N)l .,S. .,SH 
A9154BDC  9365A9A3 89ACD304-A84EA9EC 89ACD304  .e)# .,S. (N)l .,S. 
A9154BEC  89ACD370 A84EA9EC-A84E0080 936F7E5A  .,Sp (N)l (N.. .o~Z 
A9154BFC  89ACD304 A84EA9EC-89ACD370 547062F8  .,S. (N)l .,Sp Tpbx 
A9154C0C  00000000 54704B40-00000000 00000000  .... TpK@ .... .... 
A9154C1C  00000000 00000000-00000000 00000000  .... .... .... .... 
 
Stack Walk
Current EIP: 00000000  
Stack     Contents
EIP invalid.
 
 

From alandpearson at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  9 19:44:18 2008
From: alandpearson at yahoo.com (Alan Pearson)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:44:18 +0100
Subject: Groupwise 8 beta
Message-ID: <36F1805B-C650-4F47-8B86-647E6AC666FD@yahoo.com>

All

You may or may not be aware but GW8 has entered public beta :


http://www.novell.com/communities/node/6013/groupwise-8-enters-public-beta#comment-4627


---
AlanP




From Hatchellb at vvc.edu  Tue Sep  9 19:48:26 2008
From: Hatchellb at vvc.edu (Brian Hatchell)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 11:48:26 -0700
Subject: Groupwise 8 beta
In-Reply-To: <36F1805B-C650-4F47-8B86-647E6AC666FD@yahoo.com>
References: <36F1805B-C650-4F47-8B86-647E6AC666FD@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48C6628B.2FC1.0024.0@vvc.edu>

Got a beta up here on ESX.
 
Brian Hatchell
Network Manager
Victor Valley College
760 245-4271 x2792

"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor"
 
Albert Einstien
 
Check my Blog at http://gwcal.vvc.edu/mplusextranet/scp.dll/blog?user=hatchellb 


>>> On 9/9/2008 at 11:44 AM, in message <36F1805B-C650-4F47-8B86-647E6AC666FD at yahoo.com>, Alan Pearson <alandpearson at yahoo.com> wrote:
All

You may or may not be aware but GW8 has entered public beta :


http://www.novell.com/communities/node/6013/groupwise-8-enters-public-beta#comment-4627 


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From ben_johnston at tpgi.com.au  Wed Sep 10 02:58:17 2008
From: ben_johnston at tpgi.com.au (Ben Johnston)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:58:17 +1000
Subject: RDP to server slow when novell client installed
In-Reply-To: <mailman.23.1220983284.3539.novell@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
References: <mailman.23.1220983284.3539.novell@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <48C729B9.6090200@tpgi.com.au>

I have an interesting situation that I'm hoping someone can help me with.

I have the novell client installed on a couple of windows 2003 servers.  
When I RDP to the server it's quick, login quick all good. However, if I 
disconnect and leave the session running, coming back to rdp session 
after an hour or so (can be more or less) at which time the screen save 
has kicked on and the terminal locked, it can take up to 90 seconds for 
the rdp client to connect to the server.

Interestingly this is not occuring on all servers, yet I am using the 
same client version and minor updates 4.91sp4 plus nwgina and nwspool 
updates. I have disabled nmas and even set the advanced properties to 
not use nwgina as the initial login. I have also tried disabling the 
novell client on the network card settings.

The problem immediately dissappears if I remove the client.

Has anyone seen this or know of a resolution?

TIA,
Ben.

From jetadmin at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 14:24:32 2008
From: jetadmin at gmail.com (Eric Rothweiler)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:24:32 -0400
Subject: BM 3.8 cache volumes
In-Reply-To: <48B2A9B2.2000504@cds-cumberland.org>
References: <48B2A9B2.2000504@cds-cumberland.org>
Message-ID: <1d6cdac70809110624o4360b4f2l2c9ad8e66182b0a2@mail.gmail.com>

There is a very complex algorithm for where each data piece is stored for
cache, don't be concerned about the volumes filling at different rates.A
better question might be why you have 20GB of cache when you can see it
filling so slowly.  Chances are much of the data will be stale before it is
ever checked again which just places overhead on the cache engine and the
file system supporting it.  Last, in my BM experience the max desired size
for a cache volume is @ 8GB, I usually try to keep them smaller since these
are the volumes most likely to have problems in the event of a server crash
(especially since they have to be traditional NetWare volumes which take
longer to mount and repair)

Eric

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Maurice <mauricep at cds-cumberland.org>wrote:

> I have a NW6.5 SP7 Server running BM3.8.0 and it's been acting up
> recently - well since a clean-rebuild, the previous box went belly up
> hardware wise.
> I've been keeping and eye on things and noticed something, that in the
> past I never really reviewed, seems that my two cache volumes are
> filling at different rates...
> Cache0 10gb is 38% full and Cache1 10gb is 11% full, is this normal???
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> --
> -Maurice
>
>
> "Linux -- it's not just for breakfast anymore..."
> -Moe
>
>
>
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From jetadmin at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 14:58:28 2008
From: jetadmin at gmail.com (Eric Rothweiler)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:58:28 -0400
Subject: Patching OES1/OES2 question
In-Reply-To: <f47566ff0809082039s14b8f36di69ae559086654f37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f47566ff0809082039s14b8f36di69ae559086654f37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1d6cdac70809110658ra3057a5m3a8557aa9921a3c3@mail.gmail.com>

Think of the update channel as a delivery mechanism of Service Packs (from
an OES perspective)  Don't subscribe an OES server to a SLES update channel,
some SLES updates may break OES components hence the SP approach.There may
be some smaller updates on the OES channel but they are seldom and have a
special purpose (urgent security flaw for instance)

Eric

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 11:39 PM, Christopher Mangiarelli <
cmangiarelli at gmail.com> wrote:

> Still sort of new to the OES1/OES2 on SuSE arena.  Have a couple SuSE 9/10
> servers (+OES1/2) that I need to keep updated.  I have rug/zdm setup on
> them
> and with the appropriate rug command or yast tool, I can get them to
> download patches from the channels and apply them.  What I've found is that
> other patches, such as eDirectory don't come down the channel and I need to
> apply them separately.  There are so many more "parts" of a Linux system
> compared to a simple NetWare server (SP + post patches) and I'm getting
> lost
> in the translation.  Other than obvious Novell products such as eDirectory
> and Novell Audit, what other Novell products do I need to patch outside of
> these automated patch tools?  I know about Security Services as well.  Just
> wondering if I am missing anything as I want to keep my servers as up to
> date as possible.
>
> --
> Christopher Mangiarelli
> cmangiarelli at gmail.com
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From jetadmin at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 15:02:56 2008
From: jetadmin at gmail.com (Eric Rothweiler)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:02:56 -0400
Subject: MS server patching with zenworks
In-Reply-To: <48BFA4B9.5000504@tpgi.com.au>
References: <mailman.762.1220438872.3536.novell@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<48BFA4B9.5000504@tpgi.com.au>
Message-ID: <1d6cdac70809110702x50c2b9b6sc468c46de36225af@mail.gmail.com>

I have used ZfD to apply updates to Windows Servers but it's hairy.  ZPM on
the other hand works great and is simple to manage.  Unlike WSUS it is very,
very granular and provided us the detailed management we needed over server
patches.
Eric

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 5:04 AM, Ben Johnston <ben_johnston at tpgi.com.au>wrote:
>
> A quick question about windows updates.
> Is anyone using Zenworks to patch their servers? I currently have a
> large number of windows boxes (multiplying like rabbits) and looking for
> an effective way to stage updates to them. I'm running updates on these
> boxes manually at the moment. I'm hoping not to create yet another
> windows server as a SUS box. I have test environments for all
> productions systems so a staged release through these would be my choice.
> Thoughts and ideas are most welcome.
>
> TIA,
> Ben.
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From smf34 at cam.ac.uk  Thu Sep 11 15:17:14 2008
From: smf34 at cam.ac.uk (Simon Flood)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:17:14 +0100
Subject: Patching OES1/OES2 question
In-Reply-To: <1d6cdac70809110658ra3057a5m3a8557aa9921a3c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f47566ff0809082039s14b8f36di69ae559086654f37@mail.gmail.com>
	<1d6cdac70809110658ra3057a5m3a8557aa9921a3c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48C9286A.9070707@cam.ac.uk>

On 11/09/2008 14:58, Eric Rothweiler wrote:

> Think of the update channel as a delivery mechanism of Service Packs (from
> an OES perspective)  Don't subscribe an OES server to a SLES update channel,
> some SLES updates may break OES components hence the SP approach.There may
> be some smaller updates on the OES channel but they are seldom and have a
> special purpose (urgent security flaw for instance)

Actually the above depends on which version of OES for Linux we're 
talking about.

OES (the original, version 1) is based on SLES9 SP3 and is installed 
using it's from OES media.  OES has it's own OES patch channel.

OES2 is an add-on to SLES10 SP1 (and OES2 SP1 to SLES10 SP2) and so 
should  receive patches from both OES2-Updates (OES2-SP1-Updates) and 
SLES10-SP1-Updates (SLES10-SP2-Updates).  You want to apply patches from 
both channels.

The recent fun and games were due to a patch being released in the 
SLES10-SP1-Updates channel to allow SLES10 SP1 to be updated to SLES10 
SP2.  The problem was Novell forgot about people who had OES2 sitting on 
top of SLES10 SP1 and it broke things.  I trust that they've learned to 
be more careful in future (and we'll all be more cautious!).

Hope this helps,
Simon

From mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us  Thu Sep 11 16:02:33 2008
From: mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us (Matt Smith)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:02:33 -0400
Subject: iPrint weirdness
Message-ID: <48C8FAC4.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>

I tried searching this online, but I've had a hard time tracking down my
specific issue.

I have a user with iPrint issues.  Specifically, when he tries to
print, he'll be prompted for authentication.  He types in his password,
the document prints, then he gets a message that iprint authentication
failed.  The document really did print though!  Checking the "remember
password" doesn't help.  It just won't remember his password.

He was running an old client, version 4.28.  I have version 4.36 on the
server, and I upgraded his client to 4.38 just today.  I upgraded the
client because today when he was trying to add another printer, Internet
Explorer would just stop responding.  The behavior I'm seeing now
happened after the client upgrade although he said that he was being
prompted for authentication before.

We are running all our agents in High security mode and requiring SSL.

Thanks,

-Matt
-- 

Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685

From bbrush at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 16:14:21 2008
From: bbrush at gmail.com (Bill Brush)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:14:21 -0500
Subject: iPrint weirdness
In-Reply-To: <48C8FAC4.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
References: <48C8FAC4.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
Message-ID: <167f4090809110814m5d6b9b5cqb64d63c7fc48a6d1@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Matt Smith <mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us> wrote:
> I tried searching this online, but I've had a hard time tracking down my
> specific issue.
>
> I have a user with iPrint issues.  Specifically, when he tries to
> print, he'll be prompted for authentication.  He types in his password,
> the document prints, then he gets a message that iprint authentication
> failed.  The document really did print though!  Checking the "remember
> password" doesn't help.  It just won't remember his password.
>
> He was running an old client, version 4.28.  I have version 4.36 on the
> server, and I upgraded his client to 4.38 just today.  I upgraded the
> client because today when he was trying to add another printer, Internet
> Explorer would just stop responding.  The behavior I'm seeing now
> happened after the client upgrade although he said that he was being
> prompted for authentication before.
>

I would verify that his user object has a UniqueID attribute and that
it's populated.

Bill

From geoffreycarman at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 16:32:03 2008
From: geoffreycarman at gmail.com (Geoffrey Carman)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:32:03 -0400
Subject: iPrint weirdness
In-Reply-To: <167f4090809110814m5d6b9b5cqb64d63c7fc48a6d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48C8FAC4.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
	<167f4090809110814m5d6b9b5cqb64d63c7fc48a6d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <993788ac0809110832t416f25b3k3d0780f09787a3b8@mail.gmail.com>

Then I would watch in LDAP trace to see what the query looks like!

This article i wrote summer of '05, apparently still is nicely relevant!

http://www.novell.com/communities/node/3328/iprint-troubleshooting

Has some good tips on it...



On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Bill Brush <bbrush at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Matt Smith <mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us> wrote:
>> I tried searching this online, but I've had a hard time tracking down my
>> specific issue.
>>
>> I have a user with iPrint issues.  Specifically, when he tries to
>> print, he'll be prompted for authentication.  He types in his password,
>> the document prints, then he gets a message that iprint authentication
>> failed.  The document really did print though!  Checking the "remember
>> password" doesn't help.  It just won't remember his password.
>>
>> He was running an old client, version 4.28.  I have version 4.36 on the
>> server, and I upgraded his client to 4.38 just today.  I upgraded the
>> client because today when he was trying to add another printer, Internet
>> Explorer would just stop responding.  The behavior I'm seeing now
>> happened after the client upgrade although he said that he was being
>> prompted for authentication before.
>>
>
> I would verify that his user object has a UniqueID attribute and that
> it's populated.
>
> Bill
> _______________________________________________
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From alandpearson at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 11 17:55:18 2008
From: alandpearson at yahoo.com (Alan Pearson)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:55:18 +0100
Subject: Off topic - conference calls
Message-ID: <EED02DCA-392C-4698-9302-1D64BE9ABE70@yahoo.com>


Sorry if this is off topic, but this is the only list I'm on with IT  
managers & people without the geeky kids, and I might get a decent  
answer

Can anyone recommend conference call providers, who provide  
international dial in numbers in most countries ?

We use Chorus but they are expensive.

Thanks
Alan




From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Thu Sep 11 18:43:46 2008
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:43:46 -0400
Subject: Off topic - conference calls
In-Reply-To: <EED02DCA-392C-4698-9302-1D64BE9ABE70@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OFE127E43E.2FB6FBDD-ON852574C1.006104E9-852574C1.0061644E@lancaster.wnyric.org>

I am sure the geeky kid response would be to use Skype or Gizmo (which I 
actually think is good for cash strapped organizations).

I can say that I have used Global Crossings offering (although I am not 
sure if it is contingent on them being your ISP) and I liked it, easy to 
use and decent quality.  Not sure about the international numbers but the 
company I worked for was one of the three large credit reporting companies 
so I would think that it was a feature they required.

HTH

T2



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Sorry if this is off topic, but this is the only list I'm on with IT 
managers & people without the geeky kids, and I might get a decent 
answer

Can anyone recommend conference call providers, who provide 
international dial in numbers in most countries ?

We use Chorus but they are expensive.

Thanks
Alan



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From rob.anderson at americansouthwest.com  Thu Sep 11 18:59:06 2008
From: rob.anderson at americansouthwest.com (Rob Anderson)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:59:06 -0500
Subject: Off topic - conference calls
In-Reply-To: <47c3fd570809111057n46f2877fu159bd5268666ee3d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EED02DCA-392C-4698-9302-1D64BE9ABE70@yahoo.com>
	<47c3fd570809111057n46f2877fu159bd5268666ee3d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47c3fd570809111059y4de82d4cw63a2089f95c06159@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Well, you could set up an Asterisk server and with the proper configuration
>> host your own conference server, if you have a phone system with the
>> capacity and can set up extensions.  There are MANY other ways to implement
>> it, as well.
>>
>
>> We did this and it works great.  ALL of the conferencing services are very
>> expensive.
>>
>
>> We built this server 2-3 years ago and it's paid itself back many times
>> over since.
>>
>
>> Rob
>
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Alan Pearson <alandpearson at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>
>> Sorry if this is off topic, but this is the only list I'm on with IT
>> managers & people without the geeky kids, and I might get a decent
>> answer
>>
>> Can anyone recommend conference call providers, who provide
>> international dial in numbers in most countries ?
>>
>> We use Chorus but they are expensive.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Alan
>>
>>

From alandpearson at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 11 20:45:33 2008
From: alandpearson at yahoo.com (Alan Pearson)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:45:33 +0100
Subject: Off topic - conference calls
In-Reply-To: <47c3fd570809111059y4de82d4cw63a2089f95c06159@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EED02DCA-392C-4698-9302-1D64BE9ABE70@yahoo.com>
	<47c3fd570809111057n46f2877fu159bd5268666ee3d@mail.gmail.com>
	<47c3fd570809111059y4de82d4cw63a2089f95c06159@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E76B68C0-EC76-4440-9C3A-296EA9312EF0@yahoo.com>



>>
>> Well, you could set up an Asterisk server and with the proper  
>> configuration
>>> host your own conference server, if you have a phone system with the
>>> capacity and can set up extensions.  There are MANY other ways to  
>>> implement
>>> it, as well.
>>>
>>
>>> We did this and it works great.  ALL of the conferencing services  
>>> are very
>>> expensive.
>>>
>>
>>> We built this server 2-3 years ago and it's paid itself back many  
>>> times
>>> over since.
>>>
>>
>>> Rob
>>


yep, we have Asterisk as our solution too.
But the requirement for international number dial in is a deal breaker.


From rob.anderson at americansouthwest.com  Thu Sep 11 21:07:53 2008
From: rob.anderson at americansouthwest.com (Rob Anderson)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:07:53 -0500
Subject: Off topic - conference calls
In-Reply-To: <E76B68C0-EC76-4440-9C3A-296EA9312EF0@yahoo.com>
References: <EED02DCA-392C-4698-9302-1D64BE9ABE70@yahoo.com>
	<47c3fd570809111057n46f2877fu159bd5268666ee3d@mail.gmail.com>
	<47c3fd570809111059y4de82d4cw63a2089f95c06159@mail.gmail.com>
	<E76B68C0-EC76-4440-9C3A-296EA9312EF0@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47c3fd570809111307q1e746e25t3024b0920fe12403@mail.gmail.com>

Not sure how you're set up but if the asterisk is set up as stations on your
PBX, as long as they could call your number for your HQ you'd be in
business.  Not cheap, but certainly cheaper than per minute conferencing
services!
If you want local number dial in, you could check with a VOIP vendor and get
some SIP trunks.  I know VOIP vendors will offer lots of local number
choices inside the US, but not sure what they can do outside of the US.

Rob

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Alan Pearson <alandpearson at yahoo.com>wrote:

>
>
> >>
> >> Well, you could set up an Asterisk server and with the proper
> >> configuration
> >>> host your own conference server, if you have a phone system with the
> >>> capacity and can set up extensions.  There are MANY other ways to
> >>> implement
> >>> it, as well.
> >>>
> >>
> >>> We did this and it works great.  ALL of the conferencing services
> >>> are very
> >>> expensive.
> >>>
> >>
> >>> We built this server 2-3 years ago and it's paid itself back many
> >>> times
> >>> over since.
> >>>
> >>
> >>> Rob
> >>
>
>
> yep, we have Asterisk as our solution too.
> But the requirement for international number dial in is a deal breaker.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
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>



-- 
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American Southwest Insurance Managers/Oakwood Software
Sr. Systems Analyst/Telecom Manager
V: 972-238-4209
F: 972-238-4299
M: 214-850-9593

From alandpearson at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 11 21:16:15 2008
From: alandpearson at yahoo.com (Alan Pearson)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:16:15 +0100
Subject: Off topic - conference calls
In-Reply-To: <47c3fd570809111307q1e746e25t3024b0920fe12403@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EED02DCA-392C-4698-9302-1D64BE9ABE70@yahoo.com>
	<47c3fd570809111057n46f2877fu159bd5268666ee3d@mail.gmail.com>
	<47c3fd570809111059y4de82d4cw63a2089f95c06159@mail.gmail.com>
	<E76B68C0-EC76-4440-9C3A-296EA9312EF0@yahoo.com>
	<47c3fd570809111307q1e746e25t3024b0920fe12403@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <58195C28-ABF3-4032-852A-FE9238AFFAC3@yahoo.com>

Hi Rob,

Yes local number dial in is what we want.

Buying some intl numbers might be an option... :)


---
AlanP


On 11 Sep 2008, at 21:07, Rob Anderson wrote:

> Not sure how you're set up but if the asterisk is set up as stations  
> on your
> PBX, as long as they could call your number for your HQ you'd be in
> business.  Not cheap, but certainly cheaper than per minute  
> conferencing
> services!
> If you want local number dial in, you could check with a VOIP vendor  
> and get
> some SIP trunks.  I know VOIP vendors will offer lots of local number
> choices inside the US, but not sure what they can do outside of the  
> US.
>
> Rob
>
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Alan Pearson  
> <alandpearson at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, you could set up an Asterisk server and with the proper
>>>> configuration
>>>>> host your own conference server, if you have a phone system with  
>>>>> the
>>>>> capacity and can set up extensions.  There are MANY other ways to
>>>>> implement
>>>>> it, as well.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> We did this and it works great.  ALL of the conferencing services
>>>>> are very
>>>>> expensive.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> We built this server 2-3 years ago and it's paid itself back many
>>>>> times
>>>>> over since.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Rob
>>>>
>>
>>
>> yep, we have Asterisk as our solution too.
>> But the requirement for international number dial in is a deal  
>> breaker.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Novell mailing list
>> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
>> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Rob Anderson
> American Southwest Insurance Managers/Oakwood Software
> Sr. Systems Analyst/Telecom Manager
> V: 972-238-4209
> F: 972-238-4299
> M: 214-850-9593
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From Steven.Aitken at nds8.co.uk  Thu Sep 11 21:52:33 2008
From: Steven.Aitken at nds8.co.uk (Steven Aitken)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:52:33 +0100
Subject: Off topic - conference calls
In-Reply-To: <48C9932102000007000147BB@mail2.nds8.com>
References: <48C9932102000007000147B8@mail2.nds8.com>
	<48C9932102000007000147BB@mail2.nds8.com>
Message-ID: <48C9932102000007000147BB@mail2.nds8.com>

Hi Alan,

Don't know it this will be of any use, but you may wish to check a
company called sipgate. I received a free uk 0845 inbound number and I
suspect they may well have international offerings too. If you could
hook one of their inbound numbers into asterisk, you could be on a
winner.

Cheers,

Steve 
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Pearson <alandpearson at yahoo.com>
To: Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

Sent: 11/09/2008 21:16:15
Subject: Re: Off topic - conference calls

Hi Rob,

Yes local number dial in is what we want.

Buying some intl numbers might be an option... :)


---
AlanP


On 11 Sep 2008, at 21:07, Rob Anderson wrote:

> Not sure how you're set up but if the asterisk is set up as stations  
> on your
> PBX, as long as they could call your number for your HQ you'd be in
> business.  Not cheap, but certainly cheaper than per minute  
> conferencing
> services!
> If you want local number dial in, you could check with a VOIP vendor  
> and get
> some SIP trunks.  I know VOIP vendors will offer lots of local number
> choices inside the US, but not sure what they can do outside of the  
> US.
>
> Rob
>
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Alan Pearson  
> <alandpearson at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, you could set up an Asterisk server and with the proper
>>>> configuration
>>>>> host your own conference server, if you have a phone system with  
>>>>> the
>>>>> capacity and can set up extensions.  There are MANY other ways to
>>>>> implement
>>>>> it, as well.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> We did this and it works great.  ALL of the conferencing services
>>>>> are very
>>>>> expensive.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> We built this server 2-3 years ago and it's paid itself back many
>>>>> times
>>>>> over since.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Rob
>>>>
>>
>>
>> yep, we have Asterisk as our solution too.
>> But the requirement for international number dial in is a deal  
>> breaker.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Novell mailing list
>> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
>> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Rob Anderson
> American Southwest Insurance Managers/Oakwood Software
> Sr. Systems Analyst/Telecom Manager
> V: 972-238-4209
> F: 972-238-4299
> M: 214-850-9593
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
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> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell


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From joea at j4computers.com  Sat Sep 13 13:03:17 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 08:03:17 -0400
Subject: Semi -OT moving VM ware guests
Message-ID: <48CB73C1.917D.0085.0@j4computers.com>

I want to move two faultlessly performing  VMware guests to a new VMware server host.   One is a NW6.5 (OES) box, the other a OES(1) Linux box.  Each hosts part of a GroupWise  system.

The host is an HP DL360 G3, 3GHZ,3GB RAM  the alternate host is a Dell 2500 dual 900MHZ, with similar RAM and much larger disk storage.

The main reason for the move is the DL is way too noisy for the environment it has to live in,  even with fans on "slow".  On High, one need ear plugs.  I suspect there will be some noticeable performance hit on the guests, but that will have to be accepted.

So, it appears the move is essentially a  matter of installing the new VMware server and copying over the files from the (down) guests.   There seem to be a number of guides to doing this, but thought I would run it by the group.

joe a.


From James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com  Sat Sep 13 14:26:53 2008
From: James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com (James Taylor)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 09:26:53 -0400
Subject: Semi -OT moving VM ware guests
Message-ID: <48CB875D020000750000773E@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>

You will probably have to recreate the network cards in the oes vm. I have had to do this in every case where I've moved a vm.
-jt


James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
678-697-9420
james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
http://www.eastcobbgroup.com



>>> "joea at j4computers.com" <joea at j4computers.com> 09/13/08 08:05 AM >>>
I want to move two faultlessly performing  VMware guests to a new VMware server host.   One is a NW6.5 (OES) box, the other a OES(1) Linux box.  Each hosts part of a GroupWise  system.

The host is an HP DL360 G3, 3GHZ,3GB RAM  the alternate host is a Dell 2500 dual 900MHZ, with similar RAM and much larger disk storage.

The main reason for the move is the DL is way too noisy for the environment it has to live in,  even with fans on "slow".  On High, one need ear plugs.  I suspect there will be some noticeable performance hit on the guests, but that will have to be accepted.

So, it appears the move is essentially a  matter of installing the new VMware server and copying over the files from the (down) guests.   There seem to be a number of guides to doing this, but thought I would run it by the group.

joe a.

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From joea at j4computers.com  Sat Sep 13 23:06:02 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:06:02 -0400
Subject: Semi -OT moving VM ware guests
In-Reply-To: <48CB875D020000750000773E@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>
References: <48CB875D020000750000773E@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>
Message-ID: <48CC0107.917D.0085.0@j4computers.com>

So far, so good.  One down, one to go.  Amazing.  And I did not even have to mess with the NIC.

joe a.

>>> On 9/13/2008 at 9:26 AM, "James Taylor" <James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com>
wrote:
> You will probably have to recreate the network cards in the oes vm. I have 
> had to do this in every case where I've moved a vm.
> -jt
> 
> 
> James Taylor
> The East Cobb Group, Inc.
> 678-697-9420
> james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com 
> http://www.eastcobbgroup.com 
> 
> 
> 
>>>> "joea at j4computers.com" <joea at j4computers.com> 09/13/08 08:05 AM >>>
> I want to move two faultlessly performing  VMware guests to a new VMware 
> server host.   One is a NW6.5 (OES) box, the other a OES(1) Linux box.  Each 
> hosts part of a GroupWise  system.
> 
> The host is an HP DL360 G3, 3GHZ,3GB RAM  the alternate host is a Dell 2500 
> dual 900MHZ, with similar RAM and much larger disk storage.
> 
> The main reason for the move is the DL is way too noisy for the environment 
> it has to live in,  even with fans on "slow".  On High, one need ear plugs.  
> I suspect there will be some noticeable performance hit on the guests, but 
> that will have to be accepted.
> 
> So, it appears the move is essentially a  matter of installing the new 
> VMware server and copying over the files from the (down) guests.   There seem 
> to be a number of guides to doing this, but thought I would run it by the 
> group.
> 
> joe a.
> 
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From petervl at gmail.com  Sat Sep 13 23:38:56 2008
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:38:56 -0500
Subject: Semi -OT moving VM ware guests
In-Reply-To: <48CC0107.917D.0085.0@j4computers.com>
References: <48CB875D020000750000773E@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>
	<48CC0107.917D.0085.0@j4computers.com>
Message-ID: <68b791330809131538wf470dcan14e10ac5e6108f90@mail.gmail.com>

how are you moving the VM files? And I assume you are talking about
vmware server (on linux?), not esx, correct?

P

On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 5:06 PM, joea at j4computers.com
<joea at j4computers.com> wrote:
> So far, so good.  One down, one to go.  Amazing.  And I did not even have to mess with the NIC.
>
> joe a.
>
>>>> On 9/13/2008 at 9:26 AM, "James Taylor" <James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com>
> wrote:
>> You will probably have to recreate the network cards in the oes vm. I have
>> had to do this in every case where I've moved a vm.
>> -jt
>>
>>
>> James Taylor
>> The East Cobb Group, Inc.
>> 678-697-9420
>> james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
>> http://www.eastcobbgroup.com
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> "joea at j4computers.com" <joea at j4computers.com> 09/13/08 08:05 AM >>>
>> I want to move two faultlessly performing  VMware guests to a new VMware
>> server host.   One is a NW6.5 (OES) box, the other a OES(1) Linux box.  Each
>> hosts part of a GroupWise  system.
>>
>> The host is an HP DL360 G3, 3GHZ,3GB RAM  the alternate host is a Dell 2500
>> dual 900MHZ, with similar RAM and much larger disk storage.
>>
>> The main reason for the move is the DL is way too noisy for the environment
>> it has to live in,  even with fans on "slow".  On High, one need ear plugs.
>> I suspect there will be some noticeable performance hit on the guests, but
>> that will have to be accepted.
>>
>> So, it appears the move is essentially a  matter of installing the new
>> VMware server and copying over the files from the (down) guests.   There seem
>> to be a number of guides to doing this, but thought I would run it by the
>> group.
>>
>> joe a.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Novell mailing list
>> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
>> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>>
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From joea at j4computers.com  Sun Sep 14 00:06:15 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:06:15 -0400
Subject: Semi -OT moving VM ware guests
In-Reply-To: <68b791330809131538wf470dcan14e10ac5e6108f90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48CB875D020000750000773E@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>
	<48CC0107.917D.0085.0@j4computers.com>
	<68b791330809131538wf470dcan14e10ac5e6108f90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48CC0F22.917D.0085.0@j4computers.com>

Vmware server.  I am cheap.  Oh,so cheap.

In any event, I just scp'd the files over, once I found them.   And I did have to recreate the nic config on the Linux OES.  But not on the NW box.

So far, so good.

joe a.

>>> On 9/13/2008 at 6:38 PM, "Peter Van Lone" <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
> how are you moving the VM files? And I assume you are talking about
> vmware server (on linux?), not esx, correct?
> 
> P
> 
> On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 5:06 PM, joea at j4computers.com 
> <joea at j4computers.com> wrote:
>> So far, so good.  One down, one to go.  Amazing.  And I did not even have to 
> mess with the NIC.
>>
>> joe a.
>>
>>>>> On 9/13/2008 at 9:26 AM, "James Taylor" <James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com>
>> wrote:
>>> You will probably have to recreate the network cards in the oes vm. I have
>>> had to do this in every case where I've moved a vm.
>>> -jt
>>>
>>>
>>> James Taylor
>>> The East Cobb Group, Inc.
>>> 678-697-9420
>>> james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com 
>>> http://www.eastcobbgroup.com 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> "joea at j4computers.com" <joea at j4computers.com> 09/13/08 08:05 AM >>>
>>> I want to move two faultlessly performing  VMware guests to a new VMware
>>> server host.   One is a NW6.5 (OES) box, the other a OES(1) Linux box.  Each
>>> hosts part of a GroupWise  system.
>>>
>>> The host is an HP DL360 G3, 3GHZ,3GB RAM  the alternate host is a Dell 2500
>>> dual 900MHZ, with similar RAM and much larger disk storage.
>>>
>>> The main reason for the move is the DL is way too noisy for the environment
>>> it has to live in,  even with fans on "slow".  On High, one need ear plugs.
>>> I suspect there will be some noticeable performance hit on the guests, but
>>> that will have to be accepted.
>>>
>>> So, it appears the move is essentially a  matter of installing the new
>>> VMware server and copying over the files from the (down) guests.   There 
> seem
>>> to be a number of guides to doing this, but thought I would run it by the
>>> group.
>>>
>>> joe a.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Novell mailing list
>>> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk 
>>> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell 
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From bjonkman at sobac.com  Mon Sep 15 07:12:10 2008
From: bjonkman at sobac.com (Bob Jonkman)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:12:10 -0400
Subject: Off topic - conference calls
In-Reply-To: <EED02DCA-392C-4698-9302-1D64BE9ABE70@yahoo.com>
References: <EED02DCA-392C-4698-9302-1D64BE9ABE70@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48CDC47A.30397.1194D1B@bjonkman.sobac.com>

I'm working with a company that uses Orange Business Services for just about every meeting 
and call.  Probably just as expensive as Chorus, if not more so.  

http://www.business.orange.co.uk/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Business&c=OUKPage&cid=1135953583431

--Bob.

On 11 Sep 2008 at 17:55, Alan Pearson wrote:

>
>Sorry if this is off topic, but this is the only list I'm on with IT 
>managers & people without the geeky kids, and I might get a decent 
>answer
>
>Can anyone recommend conference call providers, who provide  
>international dial in numbers in most countries ?
>
>We use Chorus but they are expensive.
>
>Thanks
>Alan
>
>
>
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From bhuta.darshan at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 11:56:56 2008
From: bhuta.darshan at gmail.com (john_sm3853)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 03:56:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: IT Budget/Project Funding (Virtualization)
Message-ID: <19490815.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hey folks, I was wondering, how are your IT budgets till the end of the year
and if you are able to get projects approved for funding, and what trick (if
any)  do you use to get projects funded.  We are having tough time to get
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From toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee  Mon Sep 15 21:53:39 2008
From: toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee (Toomas Aas)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:53:39 +0300
Subject: NW5.1 and eDir 8.7.3
Message-ID: <48CECB53.1080600@raad.tartu.ee>

Hello!

What is the latest version of eDirectory 8.7.3 anyone is successfully 
running on Netware 5.1 ?

I have a 3-server tree where two servers are NW65SP7 with eDir 8.7.3.9 
(soon to be 8.7.3.10) and one server is NW51SP8, currently running eDir 
8.85c. Master replica of [root] is on one of the NW65 servers, two other 
servers have r/w replicas.

I am thinking about bringing the eDir version on NW51 more or less up to 
date with other servers.

--
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From joea at j4computers.com  Tue Sep 16 19:33:42 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:33:42 -0400
Subject: NW5.1 and eDir 8.7.3
Message-ID: <48CFC3D7020000850005E911@FS-LIN-OES>

sp6.

Not to say later version will not run.

joe a.

>>> Toomas Aas <toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee> 09/15/08 4:55 PM >>>
Hello!

What is the latest version of eDirectory 8.7.3 anyone is successfully 
running on Netware 5.1 ?

I have a 3-server tree where two servers are NW65SP7 with eDir 8.7.3.9 
(soon to be 8.7.3.10) and one server is NW51SP8, currently running eDir 
8.85c. Master replica of [root] is on one of the NW65 servers, two other 
servers have r/w replicas.

I am thinking about bringing the eDir version on NW51 more or less up to 
date with other servers.

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From Daniel_Sikes at gamb.uscourts.gov  Tue Sep 16 19:40:10 2008
From: Daniel_Sikes at gamb.uscourts.gov (Daniel_Sikes at gamb.uscourts.gov)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:40:10 -0400
Subject: Why doesn't SLES10.2 support OES2
Message-ID: <OFD1465C38.CABE8395-ON852574C6.00664914-852574C6.00668DFF@uscmail.uscourts.gov>

Novell Support indicates SLES10.2 does not support OES2.  I need to get an 
OES2/SLES10.2/ZCM10SP1 server up and running.  I got the SLES10.2 up and 
registered only to hear it won't work.  Can someone please tell me 
otherwise without the use of Beta software, please?

Respectfully,

Daniel 

From sricketts at esitechadvisors.com  Tue Sep 16 19:45:22 2008
From: sricketts at esitechadvisors.com (Steve Ricketts)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:45:22 -0400
Subject: Why doesn't SLES10.2 support OES2
In-Reply-To: <OFD1465C38.CABE8395-ON852574C6.00664914-852574C6.00668DFF@uscmail.uscourts.gov>
References: <OFD1465C38.CABE8395-ON852574C6.00664914-852574C6.00668DFF@uscmail.uscourts.gov>
Message-ID: <3E3EBD4AA56A9E4C8D04E2075088AD8D0262FAFC@exchange.esiindy.net>

You don't need OES2 to run ZCM 10sp1 on SLES 10.2.  OES2 SP1 will
support SLES 10.2...confusing I know :)  OES2 SP1 is on the verge of
being released I understand though.

Beware of ZCM 10.1, while I think that product has HUGE potential it
still has some issues that need resolved.  I've got in running in a few
production environments and they have seen their share of struggles.
10.1.1 is coming out within the next month or so.

Thanks,
Steve



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Subject: Why doesn't SLES10.2 support OES2

Novell Support indicates SLES10.2 does not support OES2.  I need to get
an 
OES2/SLES10.2/ZCM10SP1 server up and running.  I got the SLES10.2 up and

registered only to hear it won't work.  Can someone please tell me 
otherwise without the use of Beta software, please?

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From JRD at cc.usu.edu  Wed Sep 17 09:41:19 2008
From: JRD at cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:41:19 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Why doesn't SLES10.2 support OES2
Message-ID: <01MZNHO6L10I8WYK58@cc.usu.edu>

>Novell Support indicates SLES10.2 does not support OES2.  I need to get an 
>OES2/SLES10.2/ZCM10SP1 server up and running.  I got the SLES10.2 up and 
>registered only to hear it won't work.  Can someone please tell me 
>otherwise without the use of Beta software, please?
>
>Respectfully,
>
>Daniel 
-----------------
	That combination simply does not work. Best to review your intentions
and divide the material into appropriate versions. OES2 requires SLES10SP1,
and SLES10SP2 will not work with OES2. Later this year OES2 SP1 will arrive
and it requires SLES10SP2, not SLES10SP1.
	You might treat ZCM 10.1 as purely an experimental object at this
time because users of it are reporting numerous serious bugs. Novell is
involved.
	Joe D.

From mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us  Thu Sep 18 14:35:13 2008
From: mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us (Matt Smith)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:35:13 -0400
Subject: iprint error
Message-ID: <48D220D0.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>

I have just set up secure printing on a OES 2 Linux server.  After
fixing a problem with secure LDAP authentication and the server's web
proxy settings, I now get an ErrorCode 10060 when I use a web browser to
go to the IPP page to install a printer.  

The exact syntax is:  ErrorCode 10060 Error Message:  Winsock 10060 -
Connection has timed out.  Error Group:  WINSOCK Error Code: 10060

The only thing I could find on Novell's site was a brief sentence that
ErrorCode 10060 could also be caused by an improperly configured proxy
setting on the server.  The proxy was enabled on the server, but it was
configured correctly.  I have since turned the proxy off since it's no
longer necessary anyway.

Anyone have any ideas?  I have an entire school that can't print until
I figure this out. I'm about to call NTS, but was hoping someone else
has run into this problem before.  Thanks,

-Matt
-- 

Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685

From KPARRIS at ed.sc.gov  Thu Sep 18 14:56:56 2008
From: KPARRIS at ed.sc.gov (Kevin Parris)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:56:56 -0400
Subject: iprint error
In-Reply-To: <48D220D0.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
References: <48D220D0.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
Message-ID: <48D225E802000018004E80EF@sdecl2.sde.state.sc.us>

At the most basic level, that error code simply means "nobody responded" to the request - it's a timeout condition. Potential causes are legion.  The service on the target server might not be running.  A firewall (or a proxy) here (requesting workstation), there (target server), or someplace in between, might be blocking or mangling the request. A router somewhere might be misdirecting the request packet. A network cable might be unplugged.

In other words, you need to think simple, not complex, and evaluate all the basic fundamentals of the networking scene.

>>> "Matt Smith" <mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us> 09/18/08 9:35 AM >>>
I have just set up secure printing on a OES 2 Linux server.  After
fixing a problem with secure LDAP authentication and the server's web
proxy settings, I now get an ErrorCode 10060 when I use a web browser to
go to the IPP page to install a printer.  

The exact syntax is:  ErrorCode 10060 Error Message:  Winsock 10060 -
Connection has timed out.  Error Group:  WINSOCK Error Code: 10060

The only thing I could find on Novell's site was a brief sentence that
ErrorCode 10060 could also be caused by an improperly configured proxy
setting on the server.  The proxy was enabled on the server, but it was
configured correctly.  I have since turned the proxy off since it's no
longer necessary anyway.

Anyone have any ideas?  I have an entire school that can't print until
I figure this out. I'm about to call NTS, but was hoping someone else
has run into this problem before.  Thanks,

-Matt
-- 

Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685



From mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us  Thu Sep 18 15:12:51 2008
From: mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us (Matt Smith)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:12:51 -0400
Subject: iprint error
In-Reply-To: <48D225E802000018004E80EF@sdecl2.sde.state.sc.us>
References: <48D220D0.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
	<48D225E802000018004E80EF@sdecl2.sde.state.sc.us>
Message-ID: <48D229A2.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>

>>> On 9/18/2008 at 9:56 AM, in message
<48D225E802000018004E80EF at sdecl2.sde.state.sc.us>, "Kevin Parris"
<KPARRIS at ed.sc.gov> wrote:
> At the most basic level, that error code simply means "nobody
responded" to 
> the request - it's a timeout condition. Potential causes are legion. 
The 
> service on the target server might not be running.  A firewall (or a
proxy) 
> here (requesting workstation), there (target server), or someplace in

> between, might be blocking or mangling the request. A router
somewhere might 
> be misdirecting the request packet. A network cable might be
unplugged.
> 
> In other words, you need to think simple, not complex, and evaluate
all the 
> basic fundamentals of the networking scene.

I did find something that suggested the very same thing, but I'm able
to go to this web page and download the iprint client through the
provided link.  All iprint traffic flows through port 80 now, correct? 
All other traffic seems to be normal.  I'm able to map a drive to a NCP
share on the server.   I can ssh into it.  Name resolution, both from
here and from the server seems to be working.  

I also don't have any problem managing the printer object via iManager.
 

The server's firewall is NOT running.  It is located on the other side
of our system firewall, but I'm not getting any indication of any other
problems.

Does iPrint 4.36 on OES Linux v.2 require port 631 to be open as well
as port 80?

-Matt
-- 

Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685

From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Thu Sep 18 17:09:12 2008
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:09:12 -0400
Subject: iprint error
In-Reply-To: <48D229A2.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
Message-ID: <OF079E76FE.B6298088-ON852574C8.0058913B-852574C8.0058BC24@lancaster.wnyric.org>

Matt,

IPP does use port 631 and I believe if you go into the Firewall config in 
YaST on the server there is a preconfigured IPP server or CUPS server 
(they use the same port) for adding an exception.

Hope this helps.

Tim



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>>> On 9/18/2008 at 9:56 AM, in message
<48D225E802000018004E80EF at sdecl2.sde.state.sc.us>, "Kevin Parris"
<KPARRIS at ed.sc.gov> wrote:
> At the most basic level, that error code simply means "nobody
responded" to 
> the request - it's a timeout condition. Potential causes are legion. 
The 
> service on the target server might not be running.  A firewall (or a
proxy) 
> here (requesting workstation), there (target server), or someplace in

> between, might be blocking or mangling the request. A router
somewhere might 
> be misdirecting the request packet. A network cable might be
unplugged.
> 
> In other words, you need to think simple, not complex, and evaluate
all the 
> basic fundamentals of the networking scene.

I did find something that suggested the very same thing, but I'm able
to go to this web page and download the iprint client through the
provided link.  All iprint traffic flows through port 80 now, correct? 
All other traffic seems to be normal.  I'm able to map a drive to a NCP
share on the server.   I can ssh into it.  Name resolution, both from
here and from the server seems to be working. 

I also don't have any problem managing the printer object via iManager.
 

The server's firewall is NOT running.  It is located on the other side
of our system firewall, but I'm not getting any indication of any other
problems.

Does iPrint 4.36 on OES Linux v.2 require port 631 to be open as well
as port 80?

-Matt
-- 

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Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685
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From alandpearson at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 18 23:12:01 2008
From: alandpearson at yahoo.com (Alan Pearson)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:12:01 +0100
Subject: iprint error
In-Reply-To: <48D220D0.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
References: <48D220D0.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
Message-ID: <4F9EE16D-1E15-4CFD-9B93-00B19EB551EB@yahoo.com>

Hi Matt, I'm the reason for that bloody TID and know all about it.

You need to disable the proxy completely on the server, and restart  
apache.
to test do :

unset HTTP_PROXY
unset http_proxy

(I can't remember if it upper or lower case)

In same shell do rcapache2 restart

IPrint uses 'curl' libraries to get the drivers from the driver store,  
and for some reason it breaks when a proxy is configured, despite curl  
happily working with a proxy on command line.

HTH,

---
AlanP


On 18 Sep 2008, at 14:35, Matt Smith wrote:

> I have just set up secure printing on a OES 2 Linux server.  After
> fixing a problem with secure LDAP authentication and the server's web
> proxy settings, I now get an ErrorCode 10060 when I use a web  
> browser to
> go to the IPP page to install a printer.
>
> The exact syntax is:  ErrorCode 10060 Error Message:  Winsock 10060 -
> Connection has timed out.  Error Group:  WINSOCK Error Code: 10060
>
> The only thing I could find on Novell's site was a brief sentence that
> ErrorCode 10060 could also be caused by an improperly configured proxy
> setting on the server.  The proxy was enabled on the server, but it  
> was
> configured correctly.  I have since turned the proxy off since it's no
> longer necessary anyway.
>
> Anyone have any ideas?  I have an entire school that can't print until
> I figure this out. I'm about to call NTS, but was hoping someone else
> has run into this problem before.  Thanks,
>
> -Matt
> -- 
>
> Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
> Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
> Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685
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From dmoon at peru.k12.in.us  Fri Sep 19 01:43:07 2008
From: dmoon at peru.k12.in.us (Dave Moon)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:43:07 -0400
Subject: Test email-please ignore
Message-ID: <48D2BD5B.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us>

Believe we have solved an outstanding issue that prevented posting.

Dave

Dave Moon A+
Network Technologist
Peru Community Schools
401 N. Broadway
Peru, IN 46970
765-473-3081
fax 765-472-5129



From tim at nds8.co.uk  Fri Sep 19 08:05:52 2008
From: tim at nds8.co.uk (Tim Heywood)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:05:52 +0100
Subject: Test email-please ignore
In-Reply-To: <48D2BD5B.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us>
References: <48D2BD5B.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us>
Message-ID: <48D35D60020000BB00034A30@mail2.nds8.com>

ignored

;-)

T


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>>> On 19 September, 2008 at 01:43, "Dave Moon" <dmoon at peru.k12.in.us>
wrote: 
> Believe we have solved an outstanding issue that prevented posting.
> 
> Dave
> 
> Dave Moon A+
> Network Technologist
> Peru Community Schools
> 401 N. Broadway
> Peru, IN 46970
> 765-473-3081
> fax 765-472-5129
> 
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From mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us  Fri Sep 19 13:04:03 2008
From: mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us (Matt Smith)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:04:03 -0400
Subject: iprint error
In-Reply-To: <4F9EE16D-1E15-4CFD-9B93-00B19EB551EB@yahoo.com>
References: <48D220D0.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
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>>> On 9/18/2008 at 6:12 PM, in message
<4F9EE16D-1E15-4CFD-9B93-00B19EB551EB at yahoo.com>, Alan Pearson
<alandpearson at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Matt, I'm the reason for that bloody TID and know all about it.
> You need to disable the proxy completely on the server, and restart 

> apache.
> to test do :
> 
> unset HTTP_PROXY
> unset http_proxy
> 
> (I can't remember if it upper or lower case)
> 
> In same shell do rcapache2 restart
> 
> IPrint uses 'curl' libraries to get the drivers from the driver
store,  
> and for some reason it breaks when a proxy is configured, despite
curl  
> happily working with a proxy on command line.

Thanks Alan,

I took a more indiscriminate approach that gave me the same result by
simply restarting the server.  I'm glad to have an answer for WHY the
restart "fixed" my problem though.

When I put these servers in, I had to configure a web proxy.  We use a
reverse proxy for all web traffic to filter out the socially
unacceptable stuff from the kids.  Servers are typically exempt from
this, but when I first bring these servers up, they're just another IP
on the network.  Ideally, I'd have everything prepared, with all DNS
records, and firewall exceptions ready before I install the server. 
That just never happens, no matter how early a jump I get on things.  

This one had me pulling my hair out literally.  Then having a reboot
"fix" things left me feeling more like a witch doctor than a technician.
 Thanks again!  

-Matt
-- 

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Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685

From RGrein at tpchd.org  Fri Sep 19 15:53:47 2008
From: RGrein at tpchd.org (Randy Grein)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:53:47 -0700
Subject: Slightly off topic, Windows
Message-ID: <48D35A8D.811E.0072.0@tpchd.org>

We all complain about registry problems - bloated, fragile, lack of documentation. In looking up something totally unrelated I discovered that MS stuffs more unnecessary dreck into the registry - Tips! We might as well have all our applications do this too - think how much faster users could access help functions if it's all loaded into the registry. Check out

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Tips]

Randy Grein
Sr. Network Engineer


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From evansj21 at msu.edu  Fri Sep 19 16:28:11 2008
From: evansj21 at msu.edu (John Evans)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:28:11 -0400
Subject: Slightly off topic, Windows
In-Reply-To: <48D35A8D.811E.0072.0@tpchd.org>
References: <48D35A8D.811E.0072.0@tpchd.org>
Message-ID: <48D38CC9.42FE.0085.0@MAIL.HFS.MSU.EDU>

Was that a tip?

(sorry...had to)

>>> On 9/19/2008 at 10:53 AM, "Randy Grein" <RGrein at tpchd.org> wrote:
> We all complain about registry problems - bloated, fragile, lack of 
> documentation. In looking up something totally unrelated I discovered that MS 
> stuffs more unnecessary dreck into the registry - Tips! We might as well have 
> all our applications do this too - think how much faster users could access 
> help functions if it's all loaded into the registry. Check out
> 
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Tips]
> 
> Randy Grein
> Sr. Network Engineer
> 
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From RGrein at tpchd.org  Fri Sep 19 16:33:05 2008
From: RGrein at tpchd.org (Randy Grein)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:33:05 -0700
Subject: Slightly off topic, Windows
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	<48D38CC9.42FE.0085.0@MAIL.HFS.MSU.EDU>
Message-ID: <48D363C3.811E.0072.0@tpchd.org>

Sorta - more of a warning. Friends don't let friends do stupid. Wished I had a few friends in Redmond.

Randy Grein
Sr. Network Engineer


>>> "John Evans" <evansj21 at msu.edu> 9/19/2008 8:28 AM >>>
Was that a tip?

(sorry...had to)

>>> On 9/19/2008 at 10:53 AM, "Randy Grein" <RGrein at tpchd.org> wrote:
> We all complain about registry problems - bloated, fragile, lack of 
> documentation. In looking up something totally unrelated I discovered that MS 
> stuffs more unnecessary dreck into the registry - Tips! We might as well have 
> all our applications do this too - think how much faster users could access 
> help functions if it's all loaded into the registry. Check out
> 
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Tips]
> 
> Randy Grein
> Sr. Network Engineer
> 
> 
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From sutick at co.lewis-clark.mt.us  Fri Sep 19 17:47:57 2008
From: sutick at co.lewis-clark.mt.us (Steve Utick)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:47:57 -0600
Subject: Slightly off topic, Windows
In-Reply-To: <48D35A8D.811E.0072.0@tpchd.org>
References: <48D35A8D.811E.0072.0@tpchd.org>
Message-ID: <48D3835C.6F4D.00ED.0@co.lewis-clark.mt.us>

If you're running GroupWise, Check out:         [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Novell\GroupWise\Client\5.0\GWTIP]

Novell does the same thing....
-- 

---------------------------------------------------
Steve Utick
Infrastructure Center Supervisor
Lewis & Clark County
316 N. Park - Room 211
Helena, MT  59623
---------------------------------------------------


>>> On 9/19/2008 at 8:53 AM, in message <48D35A8D.811E.0072.0 at tpchd.org>, "Randy
Grein" <RGrein at tpchd.org> wrote:
> We all complain about registry problems - bloated, fragile, lack of 
> documentation. In looking up something totally unrelated I discovered that MS 
> stuffs more unnecessary dreck into the registry - Tips! We might as well have 
> all our applications do this too - think how much faster users could access 
> help functions if it's all loaded into the registry. Check out
> 
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Tips]
> 
> Randy Grein
> Sr. Network Engineer
> 
> 
> ****************************************************************************
> *********
> This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged 
> information. It has been scanned for viruses. If you are not the intended 
> recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this 
> e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination, use, review, disclosure, or 
> distribution of this information by a person other than the intended 
> recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal.
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> **********
> 
> 
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From alandpearson at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 19 19:08:23 2008
From: alandpearson at yahoo.com (Alan Pearson)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:08:23 +0100
Subject: iprint error
In-Reply-To: <48D35CEE.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
References: <48D220D0.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
	<4F9EE16D-1E15-4CFD-9B93-00B19EB551EB@yahoo.com>
	<48D35CEE.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
Message-ID: <E60A070F-63C2-4CC2-96AA-926CD3A243C4@yahoo.com>

>
> Thanks Alan,
>
> I took a more indiscriminate approach that gave me the same result by
> simply restarting the server.  I'm glad to have an answer for WHY the
> restart "fixed" my problem though.
>

Cool :)

> When I put these servers in, I had to configure a web proxy.  We use a
> reverse proxy for all web traffic to filter out the socially
> unacceptable stuff from the kids.  Servers are typically exempt from
> this, but when I first bring these servers up, they're just another IP
> on the network.  Ideally, I'd have everything prepared, with all DNS
> records, and firewall exceptions ready before I install the server.

Yeah, it's a real issue this and one they should fix
We need to have proxies so servers can get online updates....
Novell did refund it as a 'bug' but whether it will be fixed or not :)

>
> That just never happens, no matter how early a jump I get on things.
>
> This one had me pulling my hair out literally.  Then having a reboot
> "fix" things left me feeling more like a witch doctor than a  
> technician.
> Thanks again!

No probs mate this took about 5 hrs for Novell & I to find, and their  
support tech sitting beside the dev who wrote the code on a tel  
conference :)
>
>
> -Matt
> -- 
>
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> Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
> Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685
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From randygrein at comcast.net  Sat Sep 20 05:16:23 2008
From: randygrein at comcast.net (Randy Grein)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:16:23 -0700
Subject: Slightly off topic, Windows
In-Reply-To: <48D3835C.6F4D.00ED.0@co.lewis-clark.mt.us>
References: <48D35A8D.811E.0072.0@tpchd.org>
	<48D3835C.6F4D.00ED.0@co.lewis-clark.mt.us>
Message-ID: <79E7C0EB-56EF-4C96-89A5-3940F817016F@comcast.net>

Oh, great - stupid has infected everyone! No wonder everyone is making  
such a big deal about Palin!

Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA

On Sep 19, 2008, at 9:47 AM, Steve Utick wrote:

> If you're running GroupWise, Check out:         [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE 
> \SOFTWARE\Novell\GroupWise\Client\5.0\GWTIP]
>
> Novell does the same thing....
> -- 
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Steve Utick
> Infrastructure Center Supervisor
> Lewis & Clark County
> 316 N. Park - Room 211
> Helena, MT  59623
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
>>>> On 9/19/2008 at 8:53 AM, in message <48D35A8D.811E. 
>>>> 0072.0 at tpchd.org>, "Randy
> Grein" <RGrein at tpchd.org> wrote:
>> We all complain about registry problems - bloated, fragile, lack of
>> documentation. In looking up something totally unrelated I  
>> discovered that MS
>> stuffs more unnecessary dreck into the registry - Tips! We might as  
>> well have
>> all our applications do this too - think how much faster users  
>> could access
>> help functions if it's all loaded into the registry. Check out
>>
>> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion 
>> \Explorer\Tips]
>>
>> Randy Grein
>> Sr. Network Engineer
>>
>>
>> ****************************************************************************
>> *********
>> This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and  
>> privileged
>> information. It has been scanned for viruses. If you are not the  
>> intended
>> recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail,  
>> delete this
>> e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination, use, review,  
>> disclosure, or
>> distribution of this information by a person other than the intended
>> recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal.
>> ****************************************************************************
>> **********
>>
>>
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From jbchristensen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 17:50:35 2008
From: jbchristensen at gmail.com (Jon Christensen)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:50:35 -0600
Subject: iprint error
In-Reply-To: <E60A070F-63C2-4CC2-96AA-926CD3A243C4@yahoo.com>
References: <48D220D0.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
	<4F9EE16D-1E15-4CFD-9B93-00B19EB551EB@yahoo.com>
	<48D35CEE.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
	<E60A070F-63C2-4CC2-96AA-926CD3A243C4@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3b08acaf0809220950h50e4df08y59a12047b8960dab@mail.gmail.com>

I'm trying to modify some XP sp3 machines in a lab so they are consistent.
All of them have a local user account with the same name which is different
than the eDir accounts that are used. Some of them have a password, some of
them do not. Some ask for the local user password even if the password is
nul.

I want all the machines to login to eDir with the credentials entered in the
Client32 and to login to the local workstation with the common account with
no password and without having to hit enter a second time. I've looked at
the machines but don't see any differences between them. The machine I'm
configuring is running c32 v. 4.91 sp4. I'll use it as a base image for the
others once I get it working properly.

Thanks for your help,
Jon

From jbchristensen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 18:41:52 2008
From: jbchristensen at gmail.com (Jon Christensen)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:41:52 -0600
Subject: auto-login (sort of)
Message-ID: <3b08acaf0809221041w31873c9chc6bd92563e98bf4a@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry about the previous version. I forgot to change the subject.

I'm trying to modify some XP sp3 machines in a lab so they are consistent.
All of them have a local user account with the same name which is different
than the eDir accounts that are used. Some of them have a password, some of
them do not. Some ask for the local user password even if the password is
nul.

I want all the machines to login to eDir with the credentials entered in the
Client32 and to login to the local workstation with the common account with
no password and without having to hit enter a second time. I've looked at
the machines but don't see any differences between them. The machine I'm
configuring is running c32 v. 4.91 sp4. I'll use it as a base image for the
others once I get it working properly.

Thanks for your help,
Jon



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From morrisonf at apsea.ca  Mon Sep 22 18:47:12 2008
From: morrisonf at apsea.ca (Fraser Morrison)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:47:12 -0300
Subject: auto-login (sort of)
Message-ID: <s8d7b007.073@mail.apsea.ca>

Jon,

We have a generic user setup on the desktops in our lab. We use the
following instructions to complete the auto-login task. You simply
substitute what ever username and password you want.

****
Create a user called WinXP
add to admin group
set password to qwerty

Open the run dialog box and type 'regedit'
This will open up your Windows registry editor.   
Go to
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsNT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon
Open AutoAdminLogon and set the value to 1. If you do not see this
string you will have to create it.
Open DefaultUserName and set the value to WinXP
Create a new string value called DefaultPassword and set the value to
qwerty.
Also you will need to create another string with a value name of
ForceAutoLogon and set the value to 1.
Go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Novell\Login
Create a DWORD string called AutoAdminQueryNDS with the value of 1
Exit the registry editor and reboot
****

Fraser

Fraser Morrison
LAN Administrator/Adaptive Specialist
Atlantic Provinces Special Education Authority

>>> jbchristensen at gmail.com 9/22/2008 2:41:52 PM >>>
Sorry about the previous version. I forgot to change the subject.

I'm trying to modify some XP sp3 machines in a lab so they are
consistent.
All of them have a local user account with the same name which is
different
than the eDir accounts that are used. Some of them have a password,
some of
them do not. Some ask for the local user password even if the password
is
nul.

I want all the machines to login to eDir with the credentials entered
in the
Client32 and to login to the local workstation with the common account
with
no password and without having to hit enter a second time. I've looked
at
the machines but don't see any differences between them. The machine
I'm
configuring is running c32 v. 4.91 sp4. I'll use it as a base image for
the
others once I get it working properly.

Thanks for your help,
Jon



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From dreagan at commanche.swmed.edu  Mon Sep 22 19:56:21 2008
From: dreagan at commanche.swmed.edu (David Reagan)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:56:21 -0500
Subject: Slightly off topic, Windows - And Netstorage access added to
	the mix
In-Reply-To: <79E7C0EB-56EF-4C96-89A5-3940F817016F@comcast.net>
References: <48D35A8D.811E.0072.0@tpchd.org>
	<48D3835C.6F4D.00ED.0@co.lewis-clark.mt.us>
	<79E7C0EB-56EF-4C96-89A5-3940F817016F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1222109781.17787.16.camel@cherokee.swmed.org>

Randy,

I gather from that last comment that you are not a Republican?  :)

Rather than delve into the senseless mud slinging that accompanies
politics, perhaps its best that we all avoid the issue and stick to
technical issues.  :)

However, as a independent minded person, not a kool aid drinking,
mindless fool for either side, I found the recent changes to the
Democratic's technical issue stands somewhat interesting.  I don't have
the URL in front of me, but there was a blurb on ./ a I recall earlier
today that you can follow.  Speaking of VP choices, the affects of the
Biden selection tend to reflect in the aforementioned platform stance.

On that note, lets move on to a more technical question, and one that
involves M$ as well as Novell products...speaking of trying to be
independently minded, yes, I'm using both these days.

Has anyone on this list tried to use a Linux-based Netstorage agent to
then map CIFS shares via the central login scripts?  I noted in the docs
that this was an option with the Linux-based Netstorage, as opposed to
the NetWare one.  However, I haven't had a chance to fully test, so I'm
not sure that its working as designed.  Just curious if anyone else has
made it this far into the migration of related file services to OES2.

I'm looking for a way to connect users via Netstorage to both NCP and
CIFS connections.  BTW, Novell rocks when it comes to web-based file
access.  One of the few feathers in the cap these days that show
distinctly the difference in the file services worlds of M$ and Novell.

Respectfully,

David Reagan

On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 21:16 -0700, Randy Grein wrote:
> Oh, great - stupid has infected everyone! No wonder everyone is making  
> such a big deal about Palin!
> 
> Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA
> 
> On Sep 19, 2008, at 9:47 AM, Steve Utick wrote:



From jbchristensen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 20:27:22 2008
From: jbchristensen at gmail.com (Jon Christensen)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:27:22 -0600
Subject: auto-login (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <s8d7b007.073@mail.apsea.ca>
References: <s8d7b007.073@mail.apsea.ca>
Message-ID: <3b08acaf0809221227l5a2940a7l541a1cd8110c38cc@mail.gmail.com>

I made the reg changes & still no joy. Is there a space between Open and the
rest of the string name?
j



On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Fraser Morrison <morrisonf at apsea.ca>wrote:

> Jon,
>
> We have a generic user setup on the desktops in our lab. We use the
> following instructions to complete the auto-login task. You simply
> substitute what ever username and password you want.
>
> ****
> Create a user called WinXP
> add to admin group
> set password to qwerty
>
> Open the run dialog box and type 'regedit'
> This will open up your Windows registry editor.
> Go to
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsNT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon
> Open AutoAdminLogon and set the value to 1. If you do not see this
> string you will have to create it.
> Open DefaultUserName and set the value to WinXP
> Create a new string value called DefaultPassword and set the value to
> qwerty.
> Also you will need to create another string with a value name of
> ForceAutoLogon and set the value to 1.
> Go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Novell\Login
> Create a DWORD string called AutoAdminQueryNDS with the value of 1
> Exit the registry editor and reboot
> ****
>
> Fraser
>
> Fraser Morrison
> LAN Administrator/Adaptive Specialist
> Atlantic Provinces Special Education Authority
>
> >>> jbchristensen at gmail.com 9/22/2008 2:41:52 PM >>>
> Sorry about the previous version. I forgot to change the subject.
>
> I'm trying to modify some XP sp3 machines in a lab so they are
> consistent.
> All of them have a local user account with the same name which is
> different
> than the eDir accounts that are used. Some of them have a password,
> some of
> them do not. Some ask for the local user password even if the password
> is
> nul.
>
> I want all the machines to login to eDir with the credentials entered
> in the
> Client32 and to login to the local workstation with the common account
> with
> no password and without having to hit enter a second time. I've looked
> at
> the machines but don't see any differences between them. The machine
> I'm
> configuring is running c32 v. 4.91 sp4. I'll use it as a base image for
> the
> others once I get it working properly.
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Jon
>
>
>
>

From mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us  Mon Sep 22 20:39:19 2008
From: mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us (Matt Smith)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:39:19 -0400
Subject: Slightly off topic, Windows - And Netstorage access added
	tothe mix
In-Reply-To: <1222109781.17787.16.camel@cherokee.swmed.org>
References: <48D35A8D.811E.0072.0@tpchd.org>
	<48D3835C.6F4D.00ED.0@co.lewis-clark.mt.us>
	<79E7C0EB-56EF-4C96-89A5-3940F817016F@comcast.net>
	<1222109781.17787.16.camel@cherokee.swmed.org>
Message-ID: <48D7BC25.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>

>>> On 9/22/2008 at 2:56 PM, in message
<1222109781.17787.16.camel at cherokee.swmed.org>, David Reagan
<dreagan at commanche.swmed.edu> wrote:
> Randy,
> I'm looking for a way to connect users via Netstorage to both NCP
and
> CIFS connections.  BTW, Novell rocks when it comes to web-based file
> access.  One of the few feathers in the cap these days that show
> distinctly the difference in the file services worlds of M$ and
Novell.

The way I read it, the CIFS shares have to exist on a Linux server. 
I'm not sure, from the way you phrased your question, if you 're looking
to expose CIFS shares on windows servers also via Netstorage.

If you're just looking to expose non-NCP fileshares on an OES Linux v.2
box, you might want to also consider using SSH.  For this to work, you
have to create a Storage Location Object in iManager and specify either
CIFS or SSH in the URL you use.  SSH is nice because you don't have to
go through the bother of setting SAMBA on a system that doesn't already
have it.  

I tested it in the past, and it worked fine.  I haven't touched any of
that in almost a year now though.

-Matt
-- 

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Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685

From morrisonf at apsea.ca  Tue Sep 23 00:50:53 2008
From: morrisonf at apsea.ca (Fraser Morrison)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:50:53 -0300
Subject: auto-login (sort of)
Message-ID: <s8d80545.086@mail.apsea.ca>

Jon,

Sorry for the confusion. The "open" meant to double click on the
registry key labeled "DefaultUserName".

Fraser

Fraser Morrison
LAN Administrator/Adaptive Specialist
Atlantic Provinces Special Education Authority
>>> jbchristensen at gmail.com 09/22/08 4:27 PM >>>
I made the reg changes & still no joy. Is there a space between Open and
the
rest of the string name?
j



On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Fraser Morrison
<morrisonf at apsea.ca>wrote:

> Jon,
>
> We have a generic user setup on the desktops in our lab. We use the
> following instructions to complete the auto-login task. You simply
> substitute what ever username and password you want.
>
> ****
> Create a user called WinXP
> add to admin group
> set password to qwerty
>
> Open the run dialog box and type 'regedit'
> This will open up your Windows registry editor.
> Go to
>
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsNT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon
> Open AutoAdminLogon and set the value to 1. If you do not see this
> string you will have to create it.
> Open DefaultUserName and set the value to WinXP
> Create a new string value called DefaultPassword and set the value to
> qwerty.
> Also you will need to create another string with a value name of
> ForceAutoLogon and set the value to 1.
> Go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Novell\Login
> Create a DWORD string called AutoAdminQueryNDS with the value of 1
> Exit the registry editor and reboot
> ****
>
> Fraser
>
> Fraser Morrison
> LAN Administrator/Adaptive Specialist
> Atlantic Provinces Special Education Authority
>
> >>> jbchristensen at gmail.com 9/22/2008 2:41:52 PM >>>
> Sorry about the previous version. I forgot to change the subject.
>
> I'm trying to modify some XP sp3 machines in a lab so they are
> consistent.
> All of them have a local user account with the same name which is
> different
> than the eDir accounts that are used. Some of them have a password,
> some of
> them do not. Some ask for the local user password even if the password
> is
> nul.
>
> I want all the machines to login to eDir with the credentials entered
> in the
> Client32 and to login to the local workstation with the common account
> with
> no password and without having to hit enter a second time. I've looked
> at
> the machines but don't see any differences between them. The machine
> I'm
> configuring is running c32 v. 4.91 sp4. I'll use it as a base image
for
> the
> others once I get it working properly.
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Jon
>
>
>
>
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From randygrein at comcast.net  Tue Sep 23 01:36:26 2008
From: randygrein at comcast.net (Randy Grein)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:36:26 -0700
Subject: Slightly off topic,
	Windows - And Netstorage access added to the mix
In-Reply-To: <1222109781.17787.16.camel@cherokee.swmed.org>
References: <48D35A8D.811E.0072.0@tpchd.org>
	<48D3835C.6F4D.00ED.0@co.lewis-clark.mt.us>
	<79E7C0EB-56EF-4C96-89A5-3940F817016F@comcast.net>
	<1222109781.17787.16.camel@cherokee.swmed.org>
Message-ID: <239D2D4B-4C2E-402B-BDEF-3B8E76EA3E64@comcast.net>

I considered myself an R - in my youth. Post college I became a closet  
anarchist - adults need very little supervision, but sadly we just  
won't grow up so we still need government. I like some of what I see  
in Libertarians but the platform is just a bit too far out there to be  
practical - but someday, maybe. If I've offended anyone with the Palin  
joke, my apologies. If anyone is interested in discussing it offline  
I'm happy to oblige.

As for the Netstorage question I'm not sure. I played around with this  
a couple years ago but didn't get around to doing CIFS access.

And yes, I've had a rough week. (grin)
Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA

On Sep 22, 2008, at 11:56 AM, David Reagan wrote:

> Randy,
>
> I gather from that last comment that you are not a Republican?  :)
>
> Rather than delve into the senseless mud slinging that accompanies
> politics, perhaps its best that we all avoid the issue and stick to
> technical issues.  :)
>
> However, as a independent minded person, not a kool aid drinking,
> mindless fool for either side, I found the recent changes to the
> Democratic's technical issue stands somewhat interesting.  I don't  
> have
> the URL in front of me, but there was a blurb on ./ a I recall earlier
> today that you can follow.  Speaking of VP choices, the affects of the
> Biden selection tend to reflect in the aforementioned platform stance.
>
> On that note, lets move on to a more technical question, and one that
> involves M$ as well as Novell products...speaking of trying to be
> independently minded, yes, I'm using both these days.
>
> Has anyone on this list tried to use a Linux-based Netstorage agent to
> then map CIFS shares via the central login scripts?  I noted in the  
> docs
> that this was an option with the Linux-based Netstorage, as opposed to
> the NetWare one.  However, I haven't had a chance to fully test, so  
> I'm
> not sure that its working as designed.  Just curious if anyone else  
> has
> made it this far into the migration of related file services to OES2.
>
> I'm looking for a way to connect users via Netstorage to both NCP and
> CIFS connections.  BTW, Novell rocks when it comes to web-based file
> access.  One of the few feathers in the cap these days that show
> distinctly the difference in the file services worlds of M$ and  
> Novell.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> David Reagan
>
> On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 21:16 -0700, Randy Grein wrote:
>> Oh, great - stupid has infected everyone! No wonder everyone is  
>> making
>> such a big deal about Palin!
>>
>> Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2008, at 9:47 AM, Steve Utick wrote:
>
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From jbchristensen at gmail.com  Tue Sep 23 04:41:18 2008
From: jbchristensen at gmail.com (Jon Christensen)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:41:18 -0600
Subject: auto-login (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <s8d80545.086@mail.apsea.ca>
References: <s8d80545.086@mail.apsea.ca>
Message-ID: <3b08acaf0809222041l74909614j2d7cc397c9b681ff@mail.gmail.com>

:-D That makes much more sense. I'll make the changes. I'm still
chuckling...
Thanks,
Jon

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Fraser Morrison <morrisonf at apsea.ca> wrote:

> Jon,
>
> Sorry for the confusion. The "open" meant to double click on the
> registry key labeled "DefaultUserName".
>
> Fraser
>
> Fraser Morrison
> LAN Administrator/Adaptive Specialist
> Atlantic Provinces Special Education Authority
> >>> jbchristensen at gmail.com 09/22/08 4:27 PM >>>
> I made the reg changes & still no joy. Is there a space between Open and
> the
> rest of the string name?
> j
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Fraser Morrison
> <morrisonf at apsea.ca>wrote:
>
> > Jon,
> >
> > We have a generic user setup on the desktops in our lab. We use the
> > following instructions to complete the auto-login task. You simply
> > substitute what ever username and password you want.
> >
> > ****
> > Create a user called WinXP
> > add to admin group
> > set password to qwerty
> >
> > Open the run dialog box and type 'regedit'
> > This will open up your Windows registry editor.
> > Go to
> >
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsNT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon
> > Open AutoAdminLogon and set the value to 1. If you do not see this
> > string you will have to create it.
> > Open DefaultUserName and set the value to WinXP
> > Create a new string value called DefaultPassword and set the value to
> > qwerty.
> > Also you will need to create another string with a value name of
> > ForceAutoLogon and set the value to 1.
> > Go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Novell\Login
> > Create a DWORD string called AutoAdminQueryNDS with the value of 1
> > Exit the registry editor and reboot
> > ****
> >
> > Fraser
> >
> > Fraser Morrison
> > LAN Administrator/Adaptive Specialist
> > Atlantic Provinces Special Education Authority
> >
> > >>> jbchristensen at gmail.com 9/22/2008 2:41:52 PM >>>
> > Sorry about the previous version. I forgot to change the subject.
> >
> > I'm trying to modify some XP sp3 machines in a lab so they are
> > consistent.
> > All of them have a local user account with the same name which is
> > different
> > than the eDir accounts that are used. Some of them have a password,
> > some of
> > them do not. Some ask for the local user password even if the password
> > is
> > nul.
> >
> > I want all the machines to login to eDir with the credentials entered
> > in the
> > Client32 and to login to the local workstation with the common account
> > with
> > no password and without having to hit enter a second time. I've looked
> > at
> > the machines but don't see any differences between them. The machine
> > I'm
> > configuring is running c32 v. 4.91 sp4. I'll use it as a base image
> for
> > the
> > others once I get it working properly.
> >
> > Thanks for your help,
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From Daniel_Sikes at gamb.uscourts.gov  Tue Sep 23 09:00:42 2008
From: Daniel_Sikes at gamb.uscourts.gov (Daniel_Sikes at gamb.uscourts.gov)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 04:00:42 -0400
Subject: Daniel Sikes is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OFF8498970.0C1677FB-ON852574CD.002C02C7-852574CD.002C02C8@uscmail.uscourts.gov>


I will be out of the office starting  09/22/2008 and will not return until
09/29/2008.

I will respond to your message when I return.


From lists at shuters.net  Tue Sep 23 12:47:24 2008
From: lists at shuters.net (Matthew Shuter)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:47:24 -0400
Subject: auto-login (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <3b08acaf0809221041w31873c9chc6bd92563e98bf4a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b08acaf0809221041w31873c9chc6bd92563e98bf4a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48D8D74C.3090509@shuters.net>

take a look at autolog
http://www.novell.com/communities/node/322/autolog+3+0+1+3

gui interface for the reg changes, several different options.    very 
nice, can be run from command line

Jon Christensen wrote:
> Sorry about the previous version. I forgot to change the subject.
>
> I'm trying to modify some XP sp3 machines in a lab so they are consistent.
> All of them have a local user account with the same name which is different
> than the eDir accounts that are used. Some of them have a password, some of
> them do not. Some ask for the local user password even if the password is
> nul.
>
> I want all the machines to login to eDir with the credentials entered in the
> Client32 and to login to the local workstation with the common account with
> no password and without having to hit enter a second time. I've looked at
> the machines but don't see any differences between them. The machine I'm
> configuring is running c32 v. 4.91 sp4. I'll use it as a base image for the
> others once I get it working properly.
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Jon
>
>
>
>   



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From joea at j4computers.com  Tue Sep 23 19:50:32 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:50:32 -0400
Subject: (Novell)Certifcate warnings and IE7
Message-ID: <48D9023E020000850005E991@FS-LIN-OES>

Anyone know how (if) the certificate warnings issues by IE7 can be turned off, when visiting an https site using a Novell certificate?

I have exported root cert, imported to IE's trusted root cert authorities and had is say "mmm, good, yummy" when doing so, only to have it error out again next restart.  It shows in the list of trusted authorities and says it is good.

Is this just MS being MS and rejecting anything Novell?

joe a.

From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Tue Sep 23 20:13:53 2008
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:13:53 -0400
Subject: (Novell)Certifcate warnings and IE7
In-Reply-To: <48D9023E020000850005E991@FS-LIN-OES>
Message-ID: <OF0EAE59EC.87857523-ON852574CD.00691E17-852574CD.0069A4DA@lancaster.wnyric.org>

Joe,

Just did a little experiment with imanager on one of my boxes, imported 
the CA cert, go the error message on IE7, imported the server cert, still 
get the error message.  Then I looked at the server certificate by 
clicking the red error box next to IE7 address bar and realized that the 
certificate was issued to the fully qualified server name, 
myserver.mydomain.com so when I went to 
http://myserver.mydomain.com/imanager.html, wow no errors but 
http://myserver/imanager.html gave me the cert name mismatch which was not 
fixed even with a cert import.  Something I never though to check, I just 
lived with the error popups.

Of course, Firefox 3 will let you add an exception to avoid the error.

Hope this helps.

T2



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Anyone know how (if) the certificate warnings issues by IE7 can be turned 
off, when visiting an https site using a Novell certificate?

I have exported root cert, imported to IE's trusted root cert authorities 
and had is say "mmm, good, yummy" when doing so, only to have it error out 
again next restart.  It shows in the list of trusted authorities and says 
it is good.

Is this just MS being MS and rejecting anything Novell?

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From sutick at co.lewis-clark.mt.us  Tue Sep 23 20:15:33 2008
From: sutick at co.lewis-clark.mt.us (Steve Utick)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:15:33 -0600
Subject: (Novell)Certifcate warnings and IE7
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In the sys:public directory on I believe any server in the tree, there should be a RootCert.der file.   This should be the one you want to import into IE.   After you import that, it should behave.   Always has for me.
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>>> On 9/23/2008 at 12:50 PM, in message <48D9023E020000850005E991 at FS-LIN-OES>,
"joea at j4computers.com" <joea at j4computers.com> wrote:
> Anyone know how (if) the certificate warnings issues by IE7 can be turned 
> off, when visiting an https site using a Novell certificate?
> 
> I have exported root cert, imported to IE's trusted root cert authorities 
> and had is say "mmm, good, yummy" when doing so, only to have it error out 
> again next restart.  It shows in the list of trusted authorities and says it 
> is good.
> 
> Is this just MS being MS and rejecting anything Novell?
> 
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From pjc9001 at nyp.org  Tue Sep 23 20:21:32 2008
From: pjc9001 at nyp.org (Peter J. Cox)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:21:32 -0400
Subject: NIC bonding in SLES 10 sp2 issues
Message-ID: <48D941BC.6030501@nyp.org>

Hello everyone, here's hoping that someone can help. It's probably a 
silly mistake on my part but I can't for the life of me see what. I set 
up 2 gig ports on my cisco 3560g switch to trunk and in YAST  I set the 
2 built in NICs on my HP dl 320 g4 server to never start for activation 
and none address setup. I add a new nic in YAST set to bond (I've tried 
balance-rr, balance-xor, 802.3ad and active-backup for the mode 
settings) and assign the other two nics as slaves. I then assign an ip, 
netmask, gateway, dns server. I continually do NOT get any connectivity 
and I get an error message on the switch that the ports were suspended 
because LACP currently not enabled on the remote port.
Can anyone tell me where I've made my mistake. According to all the 
guides I've read I've set this up correctly, I must've missed something.

-- 
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Network Manager, IT
NYMH



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From joea at j4computers.com  Tue Sep 23 20:26:05 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:26:05 -0400
Subject: (Novell)Certifcate warnings and IE7
Message-ID: <48D90A94020000850005E996@FS-LIN-OES>

I have discovered the problem.  I was connecting to OES Linux boxes, whose certs were generated by each box at install time, not by the Novell CA.   I noticed this when looking, belatedly, at the details, as seen by IE.  It was saying exactly what the case was.   

I browsed to a NW box, where I got a message that complained about the cert being expired, also.  PKIDIAG'd that box, and rebooted it.  Now can browse to it without error message.

Will have to determine best way to create valid certs for our numerous linux boxes that are in this tree.

Thanks for the input.

joe a.

>>> "joea at j4computers.com" <joea at j4computers.com> 09/23/08 2:53 PM >>>
Anyone know how (if) the certificate warnings issues by IE7 can be turned off, when visiting an https site using a Novell certificate?

I have exported root cert, imported to IE's trusted root cert authorities and had is say "mmm, good, yummy" when doing so, only to have it error out again next restart.  It shows in the list of trusted authorities and says it is good.

Is this just MS being MS and rejecting anything Novell?

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From jetadmin at gmail.com  Tue Sep 23 20:29:02 2008
From: jetadmin at gmail.com (Eric Rothweiler)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:29:02 -0400
Subject: auto-login (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <48D8D74C.3090509@shuters.net>
References: <3b08acaf0809221041w31873c9chc6bd92563e98bf4a@mail.gmail.com>
	<48D8D74C.3090509@shuters.net>
Message-ID: <1d6cdac70809231229l23ef0602s8d4b7a3916e0d002@mail.gmail.com>

And can be 'turned off' by holding a couple of keys during boot to force a
manual login should something go wrong.

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 7:47 AM, Matthew Shuter <lists at shuters.net> wrote:

> take a look at autolog
> http://www.novell.com/communities/node/322/autolog+3+0+1+3
>
> gui interface for the reg changes, several different options.    very
> nice, can be run from command line
>
> Jon Christensen wrote:
> > Sorry about the previous version. I forgot to change the subject.
> >
> > I'm trying to modify some XP sp3 machines in a lab so they are
> consistent.
> > All of them a local user account with the same name which is different
> > than the eDir accounts that are used. Some of them have a password, some
> of
> > them do not. Some ask for the local user password even if the password is
> > nul.
> >
> > I want all the machines to login to eDir with the credentials entered in
> the
> > Client32 and to login to the local workstation with the common account
> with
> > no password and without having to hit enter a second time. I've looked at
> > the machines but don't see any differences between them. The machine I'm
> > configuring is running c32 v. 4.91 sp4. I'll use it as a base image for
> the
> > others once I get it working properly.
> >
> > Thanks for your help,
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Tue Sep 23 22:02:31 2008
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:02:31 -0400
Subject: NIC bonding in SLES 10 sp2 issues
In-Reply-To: <48D941BC.6030501@nyp.org>
Message-ID: <OF58D44E76.4AD71217-ON852574CD.0072F5FD-852574CD.0073970E@lancaster.wnyric.org>

Pete,

I had a similar problems on NIC bonding, do you the following is in the 
bond driver options field in YasT for your bond NIC:

mode=balance-alb miimon=100 use_carrier=0

The mode is obviously whatever you want, alb works well and 802.3ad works 
for me on redundant switch hardware.

I use this with switches that support 802.3ad and switch that have no 
special configuration so I am not sure about LACP, I would recommend 
trying with no special switch configuration and see if it works with the 
bond driver options.

I used to have a great bookmark for a "bonding in linux" page that went 
through all options but I can't seem to locate it now, a simple search for 
linux nic bonding should find it tough.

Hope this helps.

T2



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Hello everyone, here's hoping that someone can help. It's probably a 
silly mistake on my part but I can't for the life of me see what. I set 
up 2 gig ports on my cisco 3560g switch to trunk and in YAST  I set the 
2 built in NICs on my HP dl 320 g4 server to never start for activation 
and none address setup. I add a new nic in YAST set to bond (I've tried 
balance-rr, balance-xor, 802.3ad and active-backup for the mode 
settings) and assign the other two nics as slaves. I then assign an ip, 
netmask, gateway, dns server. I continually do NOT get any connectivity 
and I get an error message on the switch that the ports were suspended 
because LACP currently not enabled on the remote port.
Can anyone tell me where I've made my mistake. According to all the 
guides I've read I've set this up correctly, I must've missed something.

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Network Manager, IT
NYMH



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From pjc9001 at nyp.org  Tue Sep 23 22:14:29 2008
From: pjc9001 at nyp.org (Peter J. Cox)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:14:29 -0400
Subject: NIC bonding in SLES 10 sp2 issues
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T2,
    Thanks. It appears I had 2 issues, one stupid one and one weird one. 
The weird one was although I had set the DNS and routing in YAST I had 
to manually edit the resolv.conf file and the routes file for them to 
stay (it was suppossedly set but when an associate had me check the 
files they did NOT have them). The stupid one was impatience on my part. 
After restarting and seeing the down, up, messages on the switch I was 
trying and not getting anywhere on the server. I restarted once more 
(getting ready to sacrifice the chicken and/or chuck the box out the 
window) when I was interrupted with something else (took about 2 minutes 
or so) it was up and working when I got to it. It seems it needs another 
60 ~ 90 seconds after coming up (and after the final UP message on the 
switch) before the ports go green and everything works.
Thanks again for the help and the fresh eyes.

_______________________
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Network Manager, IT
NYMH




TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org wrote:
> Pete,
>
> I had a similar problems on NIC bonding, do you the following is in the 
> bond driver options field in YasT for your bond NIC:
>
> mode=balance-alb miimon=100 use_carrier=0
>
> The mode is obviously whatever you want, alb works well and 802.3ad works 
> for me on redundant switch hardware.
>
> I use this with switches that support 802.3ad and switch that have no 
> special configuration so I am not sure about LACP, I would recommend 
> trying with no special switch configuration and see if it works with the 
> bond driver options.
>
> I used to have a great bookmark for a "bonding in linux" page that went 
> through all options but I can't seem to locate it now, a simple search for 
> linux nic bonding should find it tough.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> T2
>
>
>
> "Peter J. Cox" <pjc9001 at nyp.org> 
> Sent by: novell-bounces at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> 09/23/2008 03:21 PM
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>
> Subject
> NIC bonding in SLES 10 sp2 issues
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello everyone, here's hoping that someone can help. It's probably a 
> silly mistake on my part but I can't for the life of me see what. I set 
> up 2 gig ports on my cisco 3560g switch to trunk and in YAST  I set the 
> 2 built in NICs on my HP dl 320 g4 server to never start for activation 
> and none address setup. I add a new nic in YAST set to bond (I've tried 
> balance-rr, balance-xor, 802.3ad and active-backup for the mode 
> settings) and assign the other two nics as slaves. I then assign an ip, 
> netmask, gateway, dns server. I continually do NOT get any connectivity 
> and I get an error message on the switch that the ports were suspended 
> because LACP currently not enabled on the remote port.
> Can anyone tell me where I've made my mistake. According to all the 
> guides I've read I've set this up correctly, I must've missed something.
>
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From RGrein at tpchd.org  Tue Sep 23 22:51:59 2008
From: RGrein at tpchd.org (Randy Grein)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:51:59 -0700
Subject: NIC bonding in SLES 10 sp2 issues
In-Reply-To: <48D95C35.9070603@nyp.org>
References: <OF58D44E76.4AD71217-ON852574CD.0072F5FD-852574CD.0073970E@lancaster.wnyric.org>
	<48D95C35.9070603@nyp.org>
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Hmm. 'Stupid' sounds like spanning tree is active.

Randy Grein
Sr. Network Engineer


>>> "Peter J. Cox" <pjc9001 at nyp.org> 9/23/2008 2:14 PM >>>
T2,
    Thanks. It appears I had 2 issues, one stupid one and one weird one. 
The weird one was although I had set the DNS and routing in YAST I had 
to manually edit the resolv.conf file and the routes file for them to 
stay (it was suppossedly set but when an associate had me check the 
files they did NOT have them). The stupid one was impatience on my part. 
After restarting and seeing the down, up, messages on the switch I was 
trying and not getting anywhere on the server. I restarted once more 
(getting ready to sacrifice the chicken and/or chuck the box out the 
window) when I was interrupted with something else (took about 2 minutes 
or so) it was up and working when I got to it. It seems it needs another 
60 ~ 90 seconds after coming up (and after the final UP message on the 
switch) before the ports go green and everything works.
Thanks again for the help and the fresh eyes.

_______________________
Peter J. Cox
Network Manager, IT
NYMH




TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org wrote:
> Pete,
>
> I had a similar problems on NIC bonding, do you the following is in the 
> bond driver options field in YasT for your bond NIC:
>
> mode=balance-alb miimon=100 use_carrier=0
>
> The mode is obviously whatever you want, alb works well and 802.3ad works 
> for me on redundant switch hardware.
>
> I use this with switches that support 802.3ad and switch that have no 
> special configuration so I am not sure about LACP, I would recommend 
> trying with no special switch configuration and see if it works with the 
> bond driver options.
>
> I used to have a great bookmark for a "bonding in linux" page that went 
> through all options but I can't seem to locate it now, a simple search for 
> linux nic bonding should find it tough.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> T2
>
>
>
> "Peter J. Cox" <pjc9001 at nyp.org> 
> Sent by: novell-bounces at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk 
> 09/23/2008 03:21 PM
> Please respond to
> Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
>
>
> To
> Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
> cc
>
> Subject
> NIC bonding in SLES 10 sp2 issues
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello everyone, here's hoping that someone can help. It's probably a 
> silly mistake on my part but I can't for the life of me see what. I set 
> up 2 gig ports on my cisco 3560g switch to trunk and in YAST  I set the 
> 2 built in NICs on my HP dl 320 g4 server to never start for activation 
> and none address setup. I add a new nic in YAST set to bond (I've tried 
> balance-rr, balance-xor, 802.3ad and active-backup for the mode 
> settings) and assign the other two nics as slaves. I then assign an ip, 
> netmask, gateway, dns server. I continually do NOT get any connectivity 
> and I get an error message on the switch that the ports were suspended 
> because LACP currently not enabled on the remote port.
> Can anyone tell me where I've made my mistake. According to all the 
> guides I've read I've set this up correctly, I must've missed something.
>
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From paul at gear.dyndns.org  Wed Sep 24 01:34:06 2008
From: paul at gear.dyndns.org (Paul Gear)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:34:06 +1000
Subject: Best resources/forums for Xen HA setup?
Message-ID: <gbc1tu$s13$1@ger.gmane.org>

Hi folks,

I've been working my way through Novell's "conquering the HASF"
document, which details the setup of a Heartbeat2/OCFS2/Xen HA VM
cluster, and i've got it working according to the instructions, but i'm
very unhappy with the performance of the OCFS2 clustered filesystem (2
hours to copy a 10 GB VM image).

I'm starting to think that replacing OCFS2 with EVMS2 clustered
containers might be the way to go, but i'd like to get some feedback by
those who have done it before. Where is the best place to go to get some
helpful discussion on this? If it makes any difference, the hardware is
a Dell MD3000i iSCSI array, and two Dell 2950 servers, with HP ProCurve
networking gear.

Paul


From hatchellb at vvc.edu  Wed Sep 24 02:48:10 2008
From: hatchellb at vvc.edu (Brian Hatchell)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:48:10 -0700
Subject: Best resources/forums for Xen HA setup?
Message-ID: <48D939EA0200002400024237@martian4.vvc.edu>

Correct me if I am wrong, why would you virtualize a HA cluster?   Clustering is distributing resources through physical servers.  Virtualization is running multiple OSes on one Physical server.  Aren't they opposite philosophies?

Brian Hatchell
Network Manager
Sent from my Mobile Device, typos are common!

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Gear <paul at gear.dyndns.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 5:34 PM
To: novell at netlab1.usu.edu <novell at netlab1.usu.edu>
Cc: linux-poweredge at dell.com <linux-poweredge at dell.com>
Subject: Best resources/forums for Xen HA setup?

Hi folks,

I've been working my way through Novell's "conquering the HASF"
document, which details the setup of a Heartbeat2/OCFS2/Xen HA VM
cluster, and i've got it working according to the instructions, but i'm
very unhappy with the performance of the OCFS2 clustered filesystem (2
hours to copy a 10 GB VM image).

I'm starting to think that replacing OCFS2 with EVMS2 clustered
containers might be the way to go, but i'd like to get some feedback by
those who have done it before. Where is the best place to go to get some
helpful discussion on this? If it makes any difference, the hardware is
a Dell MD3000i iSCSI array, and two Dell 2950 servers, with HP ProCurve
networking gear.

Paul

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From jetadmin at gmail.com  Wed Sep 24 13:16:35 2008
From: jetadmin at gmail.com (Eric Rothweiler)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:16:35 -0400
Subject: Best resources/forums for Xen HA setup?
In-Reply-To: <48D939EA0200002400024237@martian4.vvc.edu>
References: <48D939EA0200002400024237@martian4.vvc.edu>
Message-ID: <1d6cdac70809240516g78c02714tcbf3dec0e62b94c0@mail.gmail.com>

I read it as "HA Clustering a pair (or more) of Virtual hosts"

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Brian Hatchell <hatchellb at vvc.edu> wrote:

> Correct me if I am wrong, why would you virtualize a HA cluster?
> Clustering is distributing resources through physical servers.
>  Virtualization is running multiple OSes on one Physical server.  Aren't
> they opposite philosophies?
>
> Brian Hatchell
> Network Manager
> Sent from my Mobile Device, typos are common!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Gear <paul at gear.dyndns.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 5:34 PM
> To: novell at netlab1.usu.edu <novell at netlab1.usu.edu>
> Cc: linux-poweredge at dell.com <linux-poweredge at dell.com>
> Subject: Best resources/forums for Xen HA setup?
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I've been working my way through Novell's "conquering the HASF"
> document, which details the setup of a Heartbeat2/OCFS2/Xen HA VM
> cluster, and i've got it working according to the instructions, but i'm
> very unhappy with the performance of the OCFS2 clustered filesystem (2
> hours to copy a 10 GB VM image).
>
> I'm starting to think that replacing OCFS2 with EVMS2 clustered
> containers might be the way to go, but i'd like to get some feedback by
> those who have done it before. Where is the best place to go to get some
> helpful discussion on this? If it makes any difference, the hardware is
> a Dell MD3000i iSCSI array, and two Dell 2950 servers, with HP ProCurve
> networking gear.
>
> Paul
>
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From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Wed Sep 24 14:18:11 2008
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:18:11 -0400
Subject: NIC bonding in SLES 10 sp2 issues
In-Reply-To: <48D95C35.9070603@nyp.org>
Message-ID: <OF3BC33D14.9F0B1C2B-ON852574CE.0048E5BB-852574CE.0049141A@lancaster.wnyric.org>

No problem, we use Nortel switches here and I don't see much of a delay in 
bringing up my bonded NICs.  Glad to hear you got it working.

Honestly wasn't that a lot easier than bonding NICs on Netware? ;-)  Or am 
I stirring up a hornets nest?

T2



"Peter J. Cox" <pjc9001 at nyp.org> 
Sent by: novell-bounces at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
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Re: NIC bonding in SLES 10 sp2 issues






T2,
    Thanks. It appears I had 2 issues, one stupid one and one weird one. 
The weird one was although I had set the DNS and routing in YAST I had 
to manually edit the resolv.conf file and the routes file for them to 
stay (it was suppossedly set but when an associate had me check the 
files they did NOT have them). The stupid one was impatience on my part. 
After restarting and seeing the down, up, messages on the switch I was 
trying and not getting anywhere on the server. I restarted once more 
(getting ready to sacrifice the chicken and/or chuck the box out the 
window) when I was interrupted with something else (took about 2 minutes 
or so) it was up and working when I got to it. It seems it needs another 
60 ~ 90 seconds after coming up (and after the final UP message on the 
switch) before the ports go green and everything works.
Thanks again for the help and the fresh eyes.

_______________________
Peter J. Cox
Network Manager, IT
NYMH




TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org wrote:
> Pete,
>
> I had a similar problems on NIC bonding, do you the following is in the 
> bond driver options field in YasT for your bond NIC:
>
> mode=balance-alb miimon=100 use_carrier=0
>
> The mode is obviously whatever you want, alb works well and 802.3ad 
works 
> for me on redundant switch hardware.
>
> I use this with switches that support 802.3ad and switch that have no 
> special configuration so I am not sure about LACP, I would recommend 
> trying with no special switch configuration and see if it works with the 

> bond driver options.
>
> I used to have a great bookmark for a "bonding in linux" page that went 
> through all options but I can't seem to locate it now, a simple search 
for 
> linux nic bonding should find it tough.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> T2
>
>
>
> "Peter J. Cox" <pjc9001 at nyp.org> 
> Sent by: novell-bounces at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> 09/23/2008 03:21 PM
> Please respond to
> Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
>
>
> To
> Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
> cc
>
> Subject
> NIC bonding in SLES 10 sp2 issues
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello everyone, here's hoping that someone can help. It's probably a 
> silly mistake on my part but I can't for the life of me see what. I set 
> up 2 gig ports on my cisco 3560g switch to trunk and in YAST  I set the 
> 2 built in NICs on my HP dl 320 g4 server to never start for activation 
> and none address setup. I add a new nic in YAST set to bond (I've tried 
> balance-rr, balance-xor, 802.3ad and active-backup for the mode 
> settings) and assign the other two nics as slaves. I then assign an ip, 
> netmask, gateway, dns server. I continually do NOT get any connectivity 
> and I get an error message on the switch that the ports were suspended 
> because LACP currently not enabled on the remote port.
> Can anyone tell me where I've made my mistake. According to all the 
> guides I've read I've set this up correctly, I must've missed something.
>
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From pjc9001 at nyp.org  Wed Sep 24 15:06:07 2008
From: pjc9001 at nyp.org (Peter J. Cox)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:06:07 -0400
Subject: NIC bonding in SLES 10 sp2 issues
In-Reply-To: <OF3BC33D14.9F0B1C2B-ON852574CE.0048E5BB-852574CE.0049141A@lancaster.wnyric.org>
References: <OF3BC33D14.9F0B1C2B-ON852574CE.0048E5BB-852574CE.0049141A@lancaster.wnyric.org>
Message-ID: <48DA494F.6030107@nyp.org>

Actually I only did it once on NW (4.x) on an old HP Netserver, I used 
the the utility that came with the card (actually the one that had to be 
downloaded from their site , but still). As far as I can remember (and 
this is from a guy who checks his ID to remember his name, misplaced it 
once and when I peeked inside my jacket I walked around calling myself 
Dry Clean all day. ha ha) it went fairly easily ( I remember more of a 
hassle with the Cisco catalyst 5000 , than anything but the memory is dim).

_______________________
Peter J. Cox
Network Manager, IT
NYMH


TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org wrote:
> No problem, we use Nortel switches here and I don't see much of a delay in 
> bringing up my bonded NICs.  Glad to hear you got it working.
>
> Honestly wasn't that a lot easier than bonding NICs on Netware? ;-)  Or am 
> I stirring up a hornets nest?
>
> T2
>
>
>
> "Peter J. Cox" <pjc9001 at nyp.org> 
> Sent by: novell-bounces at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> 09/23/2008 05:14 PM
> Please respond to
> Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
>
>
> To
> Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
> cc
>
> Subject
> Re: NIC bonding in SLES 10 sp2 issues
>
>
>
>
>
>
> T2,
>     Thanks. It appears I had 2 issues, one stupid one and one weird one. 
> The weird one was although I had set the DNS and routing in YAST I had 
> to manually edit the resolv.conf file and the routes file for them to 
> stay (it was suppossedly set but when an associate had me check the 
> files they did NOT have them). The stupid one was impatience on my part. 
> After restarting and seeing the down, up, messages on the switch I was 
> trying and not getting anywhere on the server. I restarted once more 
> (getting ready to sacrifice the chicken and/or chuck the box out the 
> window) when I was interrupted with something else (took about 2 minutes 
> or so) it was up and working when I got to it. It seems it needs another 
> 60 ~ 90 seconds after coming up (and after the final UP message on the 
> switch) before the ports go green and everything works.
> Thanks again for the help and the fresh eyes.
>
> _______________________
> Peter J. Cox
> Network Manager, IT
> NYMH
>
>
>
>
> TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org wrote:
>   
>> Pete,
>>
>> I had a similar problems on NIC bonding, do you the following is in the 
>> bond driver options field in YasT for your bond NIC:
>>
>> mode=balance-alb miimon=100 use_carrier=0
>>
>> The mode is obviously whatever you want, alb works well and 802.3ad 
>>     
> works 
>   
>> for me on redundant switch hardware.
>>
>> I use this with switches that support 802.3ad and switch that have no 
>> special configuration so I am not sure about LACP, I would recommend 
>> trying with no special switch configuration and see if it works with the 
>>     
>
>   
>> bond driver options.
>>
>> I used to have a great bookmark for a "bonding in linux" page that went 
>> through all options but I can't seem to locate it now, a simple search 
>>     
> for 
>   
>> linux nic bonding should find it tough.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> T2
>>
>>
>>
>> "Peter J. Cox" <pjc9001 at nyp.org> 
>> Sent by: novell-bounces at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
>> 09/23/2008 03:21 PM
>> Please respond to
>> Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
>>
>>
>> To
>> Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
>> cc
>>
>> Subject
>> NIC bonding in SLES 10 sp2 issues
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello everyone, here's hoping that someone can help. It's probably a 
>> silly mistake on my part but I can't for the life of me see what. I set 
>> up 2 gig ports on my cisco 3560g switch to trunk and in YAST  I set the 
>> 2 built in NICs on my HP dl 320 g4 server to never start for activation 
>> and none address setup. I add a new nic in YAST set to bond (I've tried 
>> balance-rr, balance-xor, 802.3ad and active-backup for the mode 
>> settings) and assign the other two nics as slaves. I then assign an ip, 
>> netmask, gateway, dns server. I continually do NOT get any connectivity 
>> and I get an error message on the switch that the ports were suspended 
>> because LACP currently not enabled on the remote port.
>> Can anyone tell me where I've made my mistake. According to all the 
>> guides I've read I've set this up correctly, I must've missed something.
>>
>>
>>     
>
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From KPARRIS at ed.sc.gov  Wed Sep 24 15:22:09 2008
From: KPARRIS at ed.sc.gov (Kevin Parris)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:22:09 -0400
Subject: Best resources/forums for Xen HA setup?
In-Reply-To: <48D939EA0200002400024237@martian4.vvc.edu>
References: <48D939EA0200002400024237@martian4.vvc.edu>
Message-ID: <48DA14D102000018004E8790@sdecl2.sde.state.sc.us>

Not opposite at all, but complementary.  Create virtual servers on separate physical hosts, and cluster the virtual.

Using a virtual server is not JUST for running multiple on a single physical box.  You gain ease of mobility - if your virtual server workload outgrows the original physical host, all you have to do is shut it down, copy the guest fileset to a more powerful physical host, and start it up (generally) - viola! you have migrated the service to new hardware without having to re-install the OS and applications.

I'm trying to avoid running anything on "actual physical system" if there isn't some serious reason why the function can't work in a virtual guest.  The ease of mobility plus the backup/recover process is so much better.

>>> "Brian Hatchell" <hatchellb at vvc.edu> 09/23/08 9:48 PM >>>
Correct me if I am wrong, why would you virtualize a HA cluster?   Clustering is distributing resources through physical servers.  Virtualization is running multiple OSes on one Physical server.  Aren't they opposite philosophies?

Brian Hatchell
Network Manager
Sent from my Mobile Device, typos are common!

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Gear <paul at gear.dyndns.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 5:34 PM
To: novell at netlab1.usu.edu <novell at netlab1.usu.edu>
Cc: linux-poweredge at dell.com <linux-poweredge at dell.com>
Subject: Best resources/forums for Xen HA setup?

Hi folks,

I've been working my way through Novell's "conquering the HASF" document, which details the setup of a Heartbeat2/OCFS2/Xen HA VM cluster, and i've got it working according to the instructions, but i'm very unhappy with the performance of the OCFS2 clustered filesystem (2 hours to copy a 10 GB VM image).

I'm starting to think that replacing OCFS2 with EVMS2 clustered containers might be the way to go, but i'd like to get some feedback by those who have done it before. Where is the best place to go to get some helpful discussion on this? If it makes any difference, the hardware is a Dell MD3000i iSCSI array, and two Dell 2950 servers, with HP ProCurve networking gear.

Paul



From James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com  Wed Sep 24 16:24:50 2008
From: James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com (James Taylor)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:24:50 -0400
Subject: NIC bonding in SLES 10 sp2 issues
In-Reply-To: <48DA233D.9252.0075.1@eastcobbgroup.com>
References: <OF3BC33D14.9F0B1C2B-ON852574CE.0048E5BB-852574CE.0049141A@lancaster.wnyric.org>
	<48DA233D.9252.0075.1@eastcobbgroup.com>
Message-ID: <48DA238202000075000311AE@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>

I have been using inetcfg to set up NIC bonding since NW6.5 came out, without any issues for our uses.
Is there some functional lack that prevents going that route?
-jt
 
 

James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
678-697-9420
james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
http://www.eastcobbgroup.com







>>> "Peter J. Cox" <pjc9001 at nyp.org> 9/24/2008 10:06 AM >>> 
Actually I only did it once on NW (4.x) on an old HP Netserver, I used 
the the utility that came with the card (actually the one that had to be 
downloaded from their site , but still). As far as I can remember (and 
this is from a guy who checks his ID to remember his name, misplaced it 
once and when I peeked inside my jacket I walked around calling myself 
Dry Clean all day. ha ha) it went fairly easily ( I remember more of a 
hassle with the Cisco catalyst 5000 , than anything but the memory is dim).

_______________________
Peter J. Cox
Network Manager, IT
NYMH


TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org wrote:
> No problem, we use Nortel switches here and I don't see much of a delay in 
> bringing up my bonded NICs.  Glad to hear you got it working.
>
> Honestly wasn't that a lot easier than bonding NICs on Netware? ;-)  Or am 
> I stirring up a hornets nest?
>
> T2
>
>
>
> "Peter J. Cox" <pjc9001 at nyp.org> 
> Sent by: novell-bounces at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> 09/23/2008 05:14 PM
> Please respond to
> Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
>
>
> To
> Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
> cc
>
> Subject
> Re: NIC bonding in SLES 10 sp2 issues
>
>
>
>
>
>
> T2,
>     Thanks. It appears I had 2 issues, one stupid one and one weird one. 
> The weird one was although I had set the DNS and routing in YAST I had 
> to manually edit the resolv.conf file and the routes file for them to 
> stay (it was suppossedly set but when an associate had me check the 
> files they did NOT have them). The stupid one was impatience on my part. 
> After restarting and seeing the down, up, messages on the switch I was 
> trying and not getting anywhere on the server. I restarted once more 
> (getting ready to sacrifice the chicken and/or chuck the box out the 
> window) when I was interrupted with something else (took about 2 minutes 
> or so) it was up and working when I got to it. It seems it needs another 
> 60 ~ 90 seconds after coming up (and after the final UP message on the 
> switch) before the ports go green and everything works.
> Thanks again for the help and the fresh eyes.
>
> _______________________
> Peter J. Cox
> Network Manager, IT
> NYMH
>
>
>
>
> TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org wrote:
>   
>> Pete,
>>
>> I had a similar problems on NIC bonding, do you the following is in the 
>> bond driver options field in YasT for your bond NIC:
>>
>> mode=balance-alb miimon=100 use_carrier=0
>>
>> The mode is obviously whatever you want, alb works well and 802.3ad 
>>     
> works 
>   
>> for me on redundant switch hardware.
>>
>> I use this with switches that support 802.3ad and switch that have no 
>> special configuration so I am not sure about LACP, I would recommend 
>> trying with no special switch configuration and see if it works with the 
>>     
>
>   
>> bond driver options.
>>
>> I used to have a great bookmark for a "bonding in linux" page that went 
>> through all options but I can't seem to locate it now, a simple search 
>>     
> for 
>   
>> linux nic bonding should find it tough.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> T2
>>
>>
>>
>> "Peter J. Cox" <pjc9001 at nyp.org> 
>> Sent by: novell-bounces at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
>> 09/23/2008 03:21 PM
>> Please respond to
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>> To
>> Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
>> cc
>>
>> Subject
>> NIC bonding in SLES 10 sp2 issues
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello everyone, here's hoping that someone can help. It's probably a 
>> silly mistake on my part but I can't for the life of me see what. I set 
>> up 2 gig ports on my cisco 3560g switch to trunk and in YAST  I set the 
>> 2 built in NICs on my HP dl 320 g4 server to never start for activation 
>> and none address setup. I add a new nic in YAST set to bond (I've tried 
>> balance-rr, balance-xor, 802.3ad and active-backup for the mode 
>> settings) and assign the other two nics as slaves. I then assign an ip, 
>> netmask, gateway, dns server. I continually do NOT get any connectivity 
>> and I get an error message on the switch that the ports were suspended 
>> because LACP currently not enabled on the remote port.
>> Can anyone tell me where I've made my mistake. According to all the 
>> guides I've read I've set this up correctly, I must've missed something.
>>
>>
>>     
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From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Wed Sep 24 16:43:06 2008
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:43:06 -0400
Subject: NIC bonding in SLES 10 sp2 issues
In-Reply-To: <48DA238202000075000311AE@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>
Message-ID: <OFDDEF7DAE.A5BDD83A-ON852574CE.00552E5E-852574CE.00565A92@lancaster.wnyric.org>

I have a bunch of HP servers, different models DL360s, DL 380s, some old 
1600 and I have just found that while the initial learning curve to get 
NIC bonding working on SLES may be a little steeper than Netware it is 
more reliable once setup.

Of course I am only using my experience setting up Broadcom and/or Intel 
cards but the setup in INETCFG and troubleshooting seems to be more 
difficult.  I setup NIC bonding using the BASP driver and actually had it 
bring my server to a standstill, console was unresponsive (5 to 10 second 
delay in typing), once teaming was removed everything was back to normal. 
Tried the NIC teaming on another server, same model, same NICs, both NW6.5 
SP7 and it worked from the get go until about a month later when I had to 
put a Reinitialize System statement in my Autoexec.ncf just to get the 
BASP driver screen to come up on boot.

This is definitely NOT meant to be a rant, I have used netware for 15+ 
years and I think it is a great product but when I see two setups on same 
hardware and OS work differently it makes me wonder.  I just think 
sometimes the transparency of Linux makes it easier to get to root cause.

Of course all this could just be my Netware admin skills slipping.  :-0

T2



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I have been using inetcfg to set up NIC bonding since NW6.5 came out, 
without any issues for our uses.
Is there some functional lack that prevents going that route?
-jt
 
 

James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
678-697-9420
james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
http://www.eastcobbgroup.com







>>> "Peter J. Cox" <pjc9001 at nyp.org> 9/24/2008 10:06 AM >>> 
Actually I only did it once on NW (4.x) on an old HP Netserver, I used 
the the utility that came with the card (actually the one that had to be 
downloaded from their site , but still). As far as I can remember (and 
this is from a guy who checks his ID to remember his name, misplaced it 
once and when I peeked inside my jacket I walked around calling myself 
Dry Clean all day. ha ha) it went fairly easily ( I remember more of a 
hassle with the Cisco catalyst 5000 , than anything but the memory is 
dim).

_______________________
Peter J. Cox
Network Manager, IT
NYMH


TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org wrote:
> No problem, we use Nortel switches here and I don't see much of a delay 
in 
> bringing up my bonded NICs.  Glad to hear you got it working.
>
> Honestly wasn't that a lot easier than bonding NICs on Netware? ;-)  Or 
am 
> I stirring up a hornets nest?
>
> T2
>
>
>
> "Peter J. Cox" <pjc9001 at nyp.org> 
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> T2,
>     Thanks. It appears I had 2 issues, one stupid one and one weird one. 

> The weird one was although I had set the DNS and routing in YAST I had 
> to manually edit the resolv.conf file and the routes file for them to 
> stay (it was suppossedly set but when an associate had me check the 
> files they did NOT have them). The stupid one was impatience on my part. 

> After restarting and seeing the down, up, messages on the switch I was 
> trying and not getting anywhere on the server. I restarted once more 
> (getting ready to sacrifice the chicken and/or chuck the box out the 
> window) when I was interrupted with something else (took about 2 minutes 

> or so) it was up and working when I got to it. It seems it needs another 

> 60 ~ 90 seconds after coming up (and after the final UP message on the 
> switch) before the ports go green and everything works.
> Thanks again for the help and the fresh eyes.
>
> _______________________
> Peter J. Cox
> Network Manager, IT
> NYMH
>
>
>
>
> TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org wrote:
> 
>> Pete,
>>
>> I had a similar problems on NIC bonding, do you the following is in the 

>> bond driver options field in YasT for your bond NIC:
>>
>> mode=balance-alb miimon=100 use_carrier=0
>>
>> The mode is obviously whatever you want, alb works well and 802.3ad 
>> 
> works 
> 
>> for me on redundant switch hardware.
>>
>> I use this with switches that support 802.3ad and switch that have no 
>> special configuration so I am not sure about LACP, I would recommend 
>> trying with no special switch configuration and see if it works with 
the 
>> 
>
> 
>> bond driver options.
>>
>> I used to have a great bookmark for a "bonding in linux" page that went 

>> through all options but I can't seem to locate it now, a simple search 
>> 
> for 
> 
>> linux nic bonding should find it tough.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> T2
>>
>>
>>
>> "Peter J. Cox" <pjc9001 at nyp.org> 
>> Sent by: novell-bounces at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
>> 09/23/2008 03:21 PM
>> Please respond to
>> Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
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>>
>> To
>> Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
>> cc
>>
>> Subject
>> NIC bonding in SLES 10 sp2 issues
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello everyone, here's hoping that someone can help. It's probably a 
>> silly mistake on my part but I can't for the life of me see what. I set 

>> up 2 gig ports on my cisco 3560g switch to trunk and in YAST  I set the 

>> 2 built in NICs on my HP dl 320 g4 server to never start for activation 

>> and none address setup. I add a new nic in YAST set to bond (I've tried 

>> balance-rr, balance-xor, 802.3ad and active-backup for the mode 
>> settings) and assign the other two nics as slaves. I then assign an ip, 

>> netmask, gateway, dns server. I continually do NOT get any connectivity 

>> and I get an error message on the switch that the ports were suspended 
>> because LACP currently not enabled on the remote port.
>> Can anyone tell me where I've made my mistake. According to all the 
>> guides I've read I've set this up correctly, I must've missed 
something.
>>
>>
>> 
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From jbchristensen at gmail.com  Wed Sep 24 18:15:29 2008
From: jbchristensen at gmail.com (Jon Christensen)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:15:29 -0600
Subject: auto-login (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <1d6cdac70809231229l23ef0602s8d4b7a3916e0d002@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks for the help! Got it working.
j



On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Eric Rothweiler <jetadmin at gmail.com> wrote:

> And can be 'turned off' by holding a couple of keys during boot to force a
> manual login should something go wrong.
>
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 7:47 AM, Matthew Shuter <lists at shuters.net> wrote:
>
> > take a look at autolog
> > http://www.novell.com/communities/node/322/autolog+3+0+1+3
> >
> > gui interface for the reg changes, several different options.    very
> > nice, can be run from command line
> >
> > Jon Christensen wrote:
> > > Sorry about the previous version. I forgot to change the subject.
> > >
> > > I'm trying to modify some XP sp3 machines in a lab so they are
> > consistent.
> > > All of them a local user account with the same name which is different
> > > than the eDir accounts that are used. Some of them have a password,
> some
> > of
> > > them do not. Some ask for the local user password even if the password
> is
> > > nul.
> > >
> > > I want all the machines to login to eDir with the credentials entered
> in
> > the
> > > Client32 and to login to the local workstation with the common account
> > with
> > > no password and without having to hit enter a second time. I've looked
> at
> > > the machines but don't see any differences between them. The machine
> I'm
> > > configuring is running c32 v. 4.91 sp4. I'll use it as a base image for
> > the
> > > others once I get it working properly.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your help,
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From bhuta.darshan at gmail.com  Wed Sep 24 18:55:49 2008
From: bhuta.darshan at gmail.com (john_sm3853)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:55:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Virtualization Pricing trends
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Hey Folks, I was wondering, in terms of pricing of various virtualization
offering, have you seen any visible trends. I guess pricing may be coming
down from every vendor including VMWare - any thoughts - Thanks for helping
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From bhuta.darshan at gmail.com  Wed Sep 24 18:56:13 2008
From: bhuta.darshan at gmail.com (john_sm3853)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:56:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Virtualization Pricing trends
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Hey Folks, I was wondering, in terms of pricing of various virtualization
offering, have you seen any visible trends. I guess pricing may be coming
down from every vendor including VMWare - any thoughts - Thanks for helping
us

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From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Wed Sep 24 19:19:18 2008
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:19:18 -0400
Subject: Virtualization Pricing trends
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Message-ID: <OF64E6F3E7.844F58E9-ON852574CE.00639021-852574CE.0064A579@lancaster.wnyric.org>

Funny you should mention this, our district just had a meeting with Citirx 
regarding their XenServer products.  Apparently the price difference 
between Citrix and XenServer is substantial, the price for a 4 socket 
server unlimited virtual machines is approx. $3000 (that is for enterprise 
edition which includes resource pool creation live motion, etc.) but with 
the education discount for New York State it is $1600.

I am not sure what the equivalent is for VMWare but I would guess it is at 
least double not including Virtual Center which would require another 
physical server.

I am a fan of both VMware and Xen and I use Sun's Virtual Box on my 
desktop and I have to say that the Citirx Engineer we spoke with (used to 
be a VMWare engineer for 7 years) made some very compelling arguments for 
XenServer over VMWare.

Of course there is always free Xen on SLES but you loose a lot of the 
management features that VMWare and Citirx provide.

Hope this helps.

T2



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From Hatchellb at vvc.edu  Wed Sep 24 20:21:53 2008
From: Hatchellb at vvc.edu (Brian Hatchell)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:21:53 -0700
Subject: Virtualization Pricing trends
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Thanx, anyone Running Xen Orchestrator with SUSE? How do I join this group anyhow?
 
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>>> On 9/24/2008 at 11:19 AM, in message <OF64E6F3E7.844F58E9-ON852574CE.00639021-852574CE.0064A579 at lancaster.wnyric.org>, <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> wrote:
Funny you should mention this, our district just had a meeting with Citirx 
regarding their XenServer products.  Apparently the price difference 
between Citrix and XenServer is substantial, the price for a 4 socket 
server unlimited virtual machines is approx. $3000 (that is for enterprise 
edition which includes resource pool creation live motion, etc.) but with 
the education discount for New York State it is $1600.

I am not sure what the equivalent is for VMWare but I would guess it is at 
least double not including Virtual Center which would require another 
physical server.

I am a fan of both VMware and Xen and I use Sun's Virtual Box on my 
desktop and I have to say that the Citirx Engineer we spoke with (used to 
be a VMWare engineer for 7 years) made some very compelling arguments for 
XenServer over VMWare.

Of course there is always free Xen on SLES but you loose a lot of the 
management features that VMWare and Citirx provide.

Hope this helps.

T2



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From evansj21 at msu.edu  Wed Sep 24 20:25:29 2008
From: evansj21 at msu.edu (John Evans)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:25:29 -0400
Subject: iPrint on OES2
Message-ID: <48DA5BE8.42FE.0085.0@MAIL.HFS.MSU.EDU>

OK, the answer is probably staring me in the face and I cannot see it....

If I use iManager on the OES2 Linux server, I do not have the iprint role available. Under the "some roles and tasks are not available" it reads:

"No pages run in the current environment or support the current device."  ...for Manage Printer, etc.

If I use iManager on a OES2 NetWare server, I cannot manage the iprint objects created on the OES2 Linux server (but I CAN manage the iprint/NDPS objects associated with NetWare servers).

I was able to create an iPrint Driver Store (IDS) object, an iPrint Manager (psm) object, and an iprint printer object via iprntman on the OES2 Linux server.  I can see these objects via ConsoleOne so I know they are present in eDirectory.  Additionally, I can http to the OES2 Linux server's /ipp and see the printer created with iprntman.  I would like to manage these objects with iManager so that I can add the workstation drivers to the new driver store and manage the printer.  What am I missing?



From evansj21 at msu.edu  Wed Sep 24 23:26:49 2008
From: evansj21 at msu.edu (John Evans)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:26:49 -0400
Subject: iPrint on OES2
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Just as soon as a fellow posts something on a public forum, it must be Murphy's Law that he finds the solution.  The problem turned out to be the workstation firewall.  Once the updated iprint client was permitted access, suddenly, the iprint role complete with options to manage the driver store, etc. were all there on the iManager running on the OES2 Linux server.


>>> On 9/24/2008 at 3:25 PM, "John Evans" <evansj21 at msu.edu> wrote:
> OK, the answer is probably staring me in the face and I cannot see it....
> 
> If I use iManager on the OES2 Linux server, I do not have the iprint role 
> available. Under the "some roles and tasks are not available" it reads:
> 
> "No pages run in the current environment or support the current device."  
> ...for Manage Printer, etc.
> 
> If I use iManager on a OES2 NetWare server, I cannot manage the iprint 
> objects created on the OES2 Linux server (but I CAN manage the iprint/NDPS 
> objects associated with NetWare servers).
> 
> I was able to create an iPrint Driver Store (IDS) object, an iPrint Manager 
> (psm) object, and an iprint printer object via iprntman on the OES2 Linux 
> server.  I can see these objects via ConsoleOne so I know they are present in 
> eDirectory.  Additionally, I can http to the OES2 Linux server's /ipp and see 
> the printer created with iprntman.  I would like to manage these objects with 
> iManager so that I can add the workstation drivers to the new driver store 
> and manage the printer.  What am I missing?
> 
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From greg at steadfast.ca  Thu Sep 25 12:28:53 2008
From: greg at steadfast.ca (Greg Bembridge)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:28:53 -0300
Subject: Unable to Print to LOCAL Printer
Message-ID: <8fd5a2fd0809250428p410eadb8pd1585ca5913bea5e@mail.gmail.com>

This is definitely a weird problem folks, and we haven't been able to figure
it out.  Facts as follows;

- Novell 6.5 small business server
- All workstations have one username (local administrator equivalent) with
local password which auto logins to that local account no matter who you use
as the network username.  We have configured the registry for autologon.
- One computer is new, XP Pro SP2 with an HP2015 USB printer.
- Users at this computer can print to the local printer for every
application EXCEPT Word Perfect (ver 11 or 12).
- Users at this computer can print to Word Perfect IF they are Novell admin
equivalent.  All users are normally Group Everyone members.

As a work around, boot the computer and log into the generic local user
account as "workstation only."  Word Perfect printing is no problem.  Then
right click N in tray and login to the network.  You can still print Word
Perfect no problem.  If computer is booted and you log in immediately to the
server (still uses the same local workstation username), you cannot print
Word Perfect unless you are Novell admin equivalent.

It appears that some user network rights is being pulled down to the XP Pro
box, as there are absolutely no security additions made on the local
computer itself.  We are wondering if some of the latest Microsoft patches
may have impacted this here, as it is only happening on this one computer,
and it is the only computer to have most up to date Microsoft files.

Any and all suggestions are welcome, this is one weird problem.

From rpcarroll at wallgames.com  Thu Sep 25 16:27:13 2008
From: rpcarroll at wallgames.com (Robert Carroll)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:27:13 -0400
Subject: Unable to Print to LOCAL Printer
References: <8fd5a2fd0809250428p410eadb8pd1585ca5913bea5e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49C65D5C76274AFC93A8FC9D81DF7CC3@y6i6u5udu1mk8xk>

Greg,

Perhaps it's not just you.

We have the same problem here, with WordPerfect 9 (WP Office 2000 suite).  I 
assumed that it was because the application was installed by a local 
workstation administrator, and the accounts that couldn't print were limited 
accounts.

I always assumed that it was a missing registry entry, but have not gotten 
around to reinstalling or otherwise troubleshooting the problem.

Now I'm intrigued.

-Bob Carroll

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> This is definitely a weird problem folks, and we haven't been able to 
> figure
> it out.  Facts as follows;
>
> - Novell 6.5 small business server
> - All workstations have one username (local administrator equivalent) with
> local password which auto logins to that local account no matter who you 
> use
> as the network username.  We have configured the registry for autologon.
> - One computer is new, XP Pro SP2 with an HP2015 USB printer.
> - Users at this computer can print to the local printer for every
> application EXCEPT Word Perfect (ver 11 or 12).
> - Users at this computer can print to Word Perfect IF they are Novell 
> admin
> equivalent.  All users are normally Group Everyone members.
>
> As a work around, boot the computer and log into the generic local user
> account as "workstation only."  Word Perfect printing is no problem.  Then
> right click N in tray and login to the network.  You can still print Word
> Perfect no problem.  If computer is booted and you log in immediately to 
> the
> server (still uses the same local workstation username), you cannot print
> Word Perfect unless you are Novell admin equivalent.
>
> It appears that some user network rights is being pulled down to the XP 
> Pro
> box, as there are absolutely no security additions made on the local
> computer itself.  We are wondering if some of the latest Microsoft patches
> may have impacted this here, as it is only happening on this one computer,
> and it is the only computer to have most up to date Microsoft files.
>
> Any and all suggestions are welcome, this is one weird problem.
> _______________________________________________
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From joea at j4computers.com  Thu Sep 25 18:10:15 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:10:15 -0400
Subject: nsdconfig upgrade hangs
Message-ID: <48DB8DC6020000850005E9CC@FS-LIN-OES>

OES1 linux, doign ndsconfig upgrade, to generate new certs, hangs and configuring SAS service.  Certs are no good.  Checking with iManager 2.7 they say "import"

joe a.

From joea at j4computers.com  Thu Sep 25 18:49:38 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:49:38 -0400
Subject: nsdconfig upgrade hangs
Message-ID: <48DB9702020000850005E9D0@FS-LIN-OES>

Seems resolved on its own.

joe a.

>>> "joea at j4computers.com" <joea at j4computers.com> 09/25/08 1:12 PM >>>
OES1 linux, doign ndsconfig upgrade, to generate new certs, hangs and configuring SAS service.  Certs are no good.  Checking with iManager 2.7 they say "import"

joe a.
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From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Thu Sep 25 20:30:13 2008
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:30:13 -0400
Subject: Best resources/forums for Xen HA setup?
In-Reply-To: <48DA14D102000018004E8790@sdecl2.sde.state.sc.us>
Message-ID: <OFB7DB8A58.CBFC2751-ON852574CF.00699874-852574CF.006B2364@lancaster.wnyric.org>

I have to admit that I was not thinking of this approach but our district 
wants to get virtualization in but we were short on similar hardware to 
create a resource pool for our virtualization environment but we do have 2 
new servers that were meant to be used for a 2 node physical OES2 Linux 
cluster The original post made me think that a virtual cluster would be a 
perfect way to get virtuialization in the door.

So if I can talk my boss into going this route than this is what we are 
planning:

XenServer 5.0.0 Enterprise for virtualization

2 virtual hosts - HP DL360G5 , 2 quad core 3.2 GHZ Intel processors, 8 GB 
of RAM (hopefully increased to 32GB), 4 NICs

Lefthand iSCSI SAN

2 Node OES2/SELS10 NCS cluster (all 64 bit)

Can anyone comment on Xenserver, NCS in a virtual environment or any other 
suggestions and/or pitfalls with this type of plan?

As always I will eagerly await the wisdom of the group.

Thanks.

T2



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Not opposite at all, but complementary.  Create virtual servers on 
separate physical hosts, and cluster the virtual.

Using a virtual server is not JUST for running multiple on a single 
physical box.  You gain ease of mobility - if your virtual server workload 
outgrows the original physical host, all you have to do is shut it down, 
copy the guest fileset to a more powerful physical host, and start it up 
(generally) - viola! you have migrated the service to new hardware without 
having to re-install the OS and applications.

I'm trying to avoid running anything on "actual physical system" if there 
isn't some serious reason why the function can't work in a virtual guest. 
The ease of mobility plus the backup/recover process is so much better.

>>> "Brian Hatchell" <hatchellb at vvc.edu> 09/23/08 9:48 PM >>>
Correct me if I am wrong, why would you virtualize a HA cluster? 
Clustering is distributing resources through physical servers. 
Virtualization is running multiple OSes on one Physical server.  Aren't 
they opposite philosophies?

Brian Hatchell
Network Manager
Sent from my Mobile Device, typos are common!

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Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 5:34 PM
To: novell at netlab1.usu.edu <novell at netlab1.usu.edu>
Cc: linux-poweredge at dell.com <linux-poweredge at dell.com>
Subject: Best resources/forums for Xen HA setup?

Hi folks,

I've been working my way through Novell's "conquering the HASF" document, 
which details the setup of a Heartbeat2/OCFS2/Xen HA VM cluster, and i've 
got it working according to the instructions, but i'm very unhappy with 
the performance of the OCFS2 clustered filesystem (2 hours to copy a 10 GB 
VM image).

I'm starting to think that replacing OCFS2 with EVMS2 clustered containers 
might be the way to go, but i'd like to get some feedback by those who 
have done it before. Where is the best place to go to get some helpful 
discussion on this? If it makes any difference, the hardware is a Dell 
MD3000i iSCSI array, and two Dell 2950 servers, with HP ProCurve 
networking gear.

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From gbembridge at gmail.com  Thu Sep 25 21:09:35 2008
From: gbembridge at gmail.com (Greg Bembridge)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:09:35 -0300
Subject: Unable to Print To Local Printer
Message-ID: <8fd5a2fd0809251309x7fa8bd4ap2f37c77a8b86b435@mail.gmail.com>

 This is definitely a weird problem folks, and we haven't been able to
figure it out.  Facts as follows;

- Novell 6.5 small business server
- All workstations have one username (local administrator equivalent) with
local password which auto logins to that local account no matter who you use
as the network username.  We have configured the registry for autologon.
- One computer is new, XP Pro SP2 with an HP2015 USB printer.
- Users at this computer can print to the local printer for every
application EXCEPT Word Perfect (ver 11 or 12).
- Users at this computer can print to Word Perfect IF they are Novell admin
equivalent.  All users are normally Group Everyone members.

As a work around, boot the computer and log into the generic local user
account as "workstation only."  Word Perfect printing is no problem.  Then
right click N in tray and login to the network.  You can still print Word
Perfect no problem.  If computer is booted and you log in immediately to the
server (still uses the same local workstation username), you cannot print
Word Perfect unless you are Novell admin equivalent.

It appears that some user network rights is being pulled down to the XP Pro
box, as there are absolutely no security additions made on the local
computer itself.  We are wondering if some of the latest Microsoft patches
may have impacted this here, as it is only happening on this one computer,
and it is the only computer to have most up to date Microsoft files.

Any and all suggestions are welcome, this is one weird problem.

From RGrein at tpchd.org  Thu Sep 25 21:14:29 2008
From: RGrein at tpchd.org (Randy Grein)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:14:29 -0700
Subject: Best resources/forums for Xen HA setup?
In-Reply-To: <OFB7DB8A58.CBFC2751-ON852574CF.00699874-852574CF.006B2364@lancaster.wnyric.org>
References: <48DA14D102000018004E8790@sdecl2.sde.state.sc.us>
	<OFB7DB8A58.CBFC2751-ON852574CF.00699874-852574CF.006B2364@lancaster.wnyric.org>
Message-ID: <48DB8E9E.811E.0072.0@tpchd.org>

I have to say that after 6 months with vmware ESX version 3.5, I believe) using iSCSI SAN for storage I'm not impressed. It works OK when it works, and it is possible to run virtual clients across our metro fiber - but any LAN hickup causes problems. As you're early in the process plan it out. Use the KISS principal, avoid VLAN complications (especially dynamic VLAN assignments) and if at all possible use a separate switch environment for iSCSI traffic. Check with HP and Lefthand ahead of time for iSCSI support.


Randy Grein
Sr. Network Engineer


>>> <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> 9/25/2008 12:30 PM >>>
I have to admit that I was not thinking of this approach but our district 
wants to get virtualization in but we were short on similar hardware to 
create a resource pool for our virtualization environment but we do have 2 
new servers that were meant to be used for a 2 node physical OES2 Linux 
cluster The original post made me think that a virtual cluster would be a 
perfect way to get virtuialization in the door.

So if I can talk my boss into going this route than this is what we are 
planning:

XenServer 5.0.0 Enterprise for virtualization

2 virtual hosts - HP DL360G5 , 2 quad core 3.2 GHZ Intel processors, 8 GB 
of RAM (hopefully increased to 32GB), 4 NICs

Lefthand iSCSI SAN

2 Node OES2/SELS10 NCS cluster (all 64 bit)

Can anyone comment on Xenserver, NCS in a virtual environment or any other 
suggestions and/or pitfalls with this type of plan?

As always I will eagerly await the wisdom of the group.

Thanks.

T2



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Not opposite at all, but complementary.  Create virtual servers on 
separate physical hosts, and cluster the virtual.

Using a virtual server is not JUST for running multiple on a single 
physical box.  You gain ease of mobility - if your virtual server workload 
outgrows the original physical host, all you have to do is shut it down, 
copy the guest fileset to a more powerful physical host, and start it up 
(generally) - viola! you have migrated the service to new hardware without 
having to re-install the OS and applications.

I'm trying to avoid running anything on "actual physical system" if there 
isn't some serious reason why the function can't work in a virtual guest. 
The ease of mobility plus the backup/recover process is so much better.

>>> "Brian Hatchell" <hatchellb at vvc.edu> 09/23/08 9:48 PM >>>
Correct me if I am wrong, why would you virtualize a HA cluster? 
Clustering is distributing resources through physical servers. 
Virtualization is running multiple OSes on one Physical server.  Aren't 
they opposite philosophies?

Brian Hatchell
Network Manager
Sent from my Mobile Device, typos are common!

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Gear <paul at gear.dyndns.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 5:34 PM
To: novell at netlab1.usu.edu <novell at netlab1.usu.edu>
Cc: linux-poweredge at dell.com <linux-poweredge at dell.com>
Subject: Best resources/forums for Xen HA setup?

Hi folks,

I've been working my way through Novell's "conquering the HASF" document, 
which details the setup of a Heartbeat2/OCFS2/Xen HA VM cluster, and i've 
got it working according to the instructions, but i'm very unhappy with 
the performance of the OCFS2 clustered filesystem (2 hours to copy a 10 GB 
VM image).

I'm starting to think that replacing OCFS2 with EVMS2 clustered containers 
might be the way to go, but i'd like to get some feedback by those who 
have done it before. Where is the best place to go to get some helpful 
discussion on this? If it makes any difference, the hardware is a Dell 
MD3000i iSCSI array, and two Dell 2950 servers, with HP ProCurve 
networking gear.

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From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Thu Sep 25 21:48:54 2008
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:48:54 -0400
Subject: Best resources/forums for Xen HA setup?
In-Reply-To: <48DB8E9E.811E.0072.0@tpchd.org>
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Thanks Randy, we have segregated our iSCSI traffic it only shares 
bandwidth with WAN traffic on our fiber links between locations when the 
units replicate data (and we can throttle that).  The iSCSI backbone also 
has redundant switches and each host connected has 2 teamed GB NICs.

My biggest question is connections and LAN bandwidth, we usually have 
between 1000 and 1500 connections on each of our physical cluster nodes 
during school hours and I am concerned that the virtual servers on any Xen 
host will now be sharing the bandwidth of a single team of NICs and may be 
sluggish, granted I haven't done any concrete bandwidth studies.  We also 
use Backup Express which pulls the data from each host over the LAN and 
backs up to our FC attached tape library so again the LAN bandwidth is an 
issue, however, since all this data is flowing through 1 backup server I 
guess the backup server would be a bottle neck before anything else.  So 
much for KISS huh!

Anyone else have any problems with performance of virtual hosts on iSCSI?

Thanks.

T2



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I have to say that after 6 months with vmware ESX version 3.5, I believe) 
using iSCSI SAN for storage I'm not impressed. It works OK when it works, 
and it is possible to run virtual clients across our metro fiber - but any 
LAN hickup causes problems. As you're early in the process plan it out. 
Use the KISS principal, avoid VLAN complications (especially dynamic VLAN 
assignments) and if at all possible use a separate switch environment for 
iSCSI traffic. Check with HP and Lefthand ahead of time for iSCSI support.


Randy Grein
Sr. Network Engineer


>>> <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> 9/25/2008 12:30 PM >>>
I have to admit that I was not thinking of this approach but our district 
wants to get virtualization in but we were short on similar hardware to 
create a resource pool for our virtualization environment but we do have 2 

new servers that were meant to be used for a 2 node physical OES2 Linux 
cluster The original post made me think that a virtual cluster would be a 
perfect way to get virtuialization in the door.

So if I can talk my boss into going this route than this is what we are 
planning:

XenServer 5.0.0 Enterprise for virtualization

2 virtual hosts - HP DL360G5 , 2 quad core 3.2 GHZ Intel processors, 8 GB 
of RAM (hopefully increased to 32GB), 4 NICs

Lefthand iSCSI SAN

2 Node OES2/SELS10 NCS cluster (all 64 bit)

Can anyone comment on Xenserver, NCS in a virtual environment or any other 

suggestions and/or pitfalls with this type of plan?

As always I will eagerly await the wisdom of the group.

Thanks.

T2



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Not opposite at all, but complementary.  Create virtual servers on 
separate physical hosts, and cluster the virtual.

Using a virtual server is not JUST for running multiple on a single 
physical box.  You gain ease of mobility - if your virtual server workload 

outgrows the original physical host, all you have to do is shut it down, 
copy the guest fileset to a more powerful physical host, and start it up 
(generally) - viola! you have migrated the service to new hardware without 

having to re-install the OS and applications.

I'm trying to avoid running anything on "actual physical system" if there 
isn't some serious reason why the function can't work in a virtual guest. 
The ease of mobility plus the backup/recover process is so much better.

>>> "Brian Hatchell" <hatchellb at vvc.edu> 09/23/08 9:48 PM >>>
Correct me if I am wrong, why would you virtualize a HA cluster? 
Clustering is distributing resources through physical servers. 
Virtualization is running multiple OSes on one Physical server.  Aren't 
they opposite philosophies?

Brian Hatchell
Network Manager
Sent from my Mobile Device, typos are common!

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To: novell at netlab1.usu.edu <novell at netlab1.usu.edu>
Cc: linux-poweredge at dell.com <linux-poweredge at dell.com>
Subject: Best resources/forums for Xen HA setup?

Hi folks,

I've been working my way through Novell's "conquering the HASF" document, 
which details the setup of a Heartbeat2/OCFS2/Xen HA VM cluster, and i've 
got it working according to the instructions, but i'm very unhappy with 
the performance of the OCFS2 clustered filesystem (2 hours to copy a 10 GB 

VM image).

I'm starting to think that replacing OCFS2 with EVMS2 clustered containers 

might be the way to go, but i'd like to get some feedback by those who 
have done it before. Where is the best place to go to get some helpful 
discussion on this? If it makes any difference, the hardware is a Dell 
MD3000i iSCSI array, and two Dell 2950 servers, with HP ProCurve 
networking gear.

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Subject: Certificate Madness, A tale of the dangers of SSL use.
Message-ID: <48DCEDE5020000850005E9FE@FS-LIN-OES>

Like, man, I was all stoked, and stuff, like, doing IE and stuff, and really getting off on it, you know . . . 

Anyway, having several OES1 linux boxes, that all gave IE certificate errors, did the import trusted authority thing and generated some new certs, for a couple of servers and replaced the old ones. 

Nice, I thought, IE being happy with SSL connections to apache  and NoRM, even.  Even after restarting IE, to clear it's cache, could connect without error.

So, on to the rest of the servers.  Sigh.  Now these additional ones give a cert error.  "This certificate cannot be verified up to a trusted certification authority"  (IE 7).

Have regenerated these certs various ways and still get the same error.     Even regenerated the truste root, deleted from IE and reimported.

I am out of ideas.

joe a.

From joea at j4computers.com  Sat Sep 27 00:15:58 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:15:58 -0400
Subject: Certificate Madness, A tale of the dangers of SSL use.
In-Reply-To: <48DCEDE5020000850005E9FE@FS-LIN-OES>
References: <48DCEDE5020000850005E9FE@FS-LIN-OES>
Message-ID: <48DD34EC.917D.0085.0@j4computers.com>

FWIW, I can look at the certs, via IE's facilities, and can see that those that are "good" show a "chain" up to the CA, while those that are "bad" show only the server in the "chain".

I don't see what I am doing that could cause this.  eDirectory seems clean.

joe a.

>>> On 9/26/2008 at 2:12 PM, "joea at j4computers.com" <joea at j4computers.com> wrote:
> Like, man, I was all stoked, and stuff, like, doing IE and stuff, and really 
> getting off on it, you know . . . 
> 
> Anyway, having several OES1 linux boxes, that all gave IE certificate 
> errors, did the import trusted authority thing and generated some new certs, 
> for a couple of servers and replaced the old ones. 
> 
> Nice, I thought, IE being happy with SSL connections to apache  and NoRM, 
> even.  Even after restarting IE, to clear it's cache, could connect without 
> error.
> 
> So, on to the rest of the servers.  Sigh.  Now these additional ones give a 
> cert error.  "This certificate cannot be verified up to a trusted 
> certification authority"  (IE 7).
> 
> Have regenerated these certs various ways and still get the same error.     
> Even regenerated the truste root, deleted from IE and reimported.
> 
> I am out of ideas.
> 
> joe a.
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> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk 
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From cmangiarelli at gmail.com  Sun Sep 28 23:39:49 2008
From: cmangiarelli at gmail.com (Christopher Mangiarelli)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:39:49 -0400
Subject: Virtualization Pricing trends
In-Reply-To: <48DA30E0.2FC1.0024.0@vvc.edu>
References: <19654476.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<OF64E6F3E7.844F58E9-ON852574CE.00639021-852574CE.0064A579@lancaster.wnyric.org>
	<48DA30E0.2FC1.0024.0@vvc.edu>
Message-ID: <f47566ff0809281539s63c92854l99cf0c3c34ec2dfe@mail.gmail.com>

FYI - just setting the facts straight, you don't need another physical
server for VirtualCenter.  You can run VC inside a guest VM just fine.

>>> On 9/24/2008 at 11:19 AM, in message <
> OF64E6F3E7.844F58E9-ON852574CE.00639021-852574CE.0064A579 at lancaster.wnyric.org>,
> <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> wrote:
> Funny you should mention this, our district just had a meeting with Citirx
> regarding their XenServer products.  Apparently the price difference
> between Citrix and XenServer is substantial, the price for a 4 socket
> server unlimited virtual machines is approx. $3000 (that is for enterprise
> edition which includes resource pool creation live motion, etc.) but with
> the education discount for New York State it is $1600.
>
> I am not sure what the equivalent is for VMWare but I would guess it is at
> least double not including Virtual Center which would require another
> physical server.
>
> I am a fan of both VMware and Xen and I use Sun's Virtual Box on my
> desktop and I have to say that the Citirx Engineer we spoke with (used to
> be a VMWare engineer for 7 years) made some very compelling arguments for
> XenServer over VMWare.
>

-- 
Christopher Mangiarelli
cmangiarelli at gmail.com

From cmangiarelli at gmail.com  Sun Sep 28 23:43:02 2008
From: cmangiarelli at gmail.com (Christopher Mangiarelli)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:43:02 -0400
Subject: (Novell)Certifcate warnings and IE7
In-Reply-To: <48D90A94020000850005E996@FS-LIN-OES>
References: <48D90A94020000850005E996@FS-LIN-OES>
Message-ID: <f47566ff0809281543j5db805a6lfd3c1099ba5e890c@mail.gmail.com>

When creating certs, your mantra should be "Alternate Subject Names are your
friend"...

-- 
Christopher Mangiarelli
cmangiarelli at gmail.com

From joea at j4computers.com  Sun Sep 28 23:55:37 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:55:37 -0400
Subject: (Novell)Certifcate warnings and IE7
In-Reply-To: <f47566ff0809281543j5db805a6lfd3c1099ba5e890c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48D90A94020000850005E996@FS-LIN-OES>
	<f47566ff0809281543j5db805a6lfd3c1099ba5e890c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48DFD323.917D.0085.0@j4computers.com>


Please expand.  Clarify.  Illuminate. 

joe a.

>>> On 9/28/2008 at 6:43 PM, "Christopher Mangiarelli" <cmangiarelli at gmail.com>
wrote:
> When creating certs, your mantra should be "Alternate Subject Names are your
> friend"...


From joea at j4computers.com  Mon Sep 29 15:56:10 2008
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:56:10 -0400
Subject: (Novell)Certifcate warnings and IE7
Message-ID: <48E0B456020000850005EA4F@FS-LIN-OES>

"Problem" resolved.   Pilot error.  

joe a.

>>> On 9/28/2008 at 6:43 PM, "Christopher Mangiarelli" <cmangiarelli at gmail.com>
wrote:
> When creating certs, your mantra should be "Alternate Subject Names are your
> friend"...

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From larry at ladyburd.com  Mon Sep 29 16:26:23 2008
From: larry at ladyburd.com (Larry Burd)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:26:23 -0400
Subject: M$ small business server
References: <mailman.250.1222700232.3539.novell@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <10538CF40D7340C8AA8A5D7E469C1526@Larrys>

I have 2 NW 5.1sp8 servers running NDS 7.
I need to add in a MS SBS 2003 or (nov) 2008,  because our SAGE ACCPAC 
accounting package (the new release) no longer supports Novell.

Can I just add in a MS SBS into the mix ?
The plan is to eventually turn OFF the NW servers, and run solely on MS SBS.
But it would be nice to have a mixed enviorment for a short period of time.

Unforturnitly the accounting package world is moving away from NW.. so I 
have to follow SAGE Accpac.

any suggestions?
and yes, I want to keep Novell, but the time has come....... and I can't 
justify keeping it without any support from business software.....

thanks
Larry 


From petervl at gmail.com  Mon Sep 29 16:32:54 2008
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:32:54 -0500
Subject: M$ small business server
In-Reply-To: <10538CF40D7340C8AA8A5D7E469C1526@Larrys>
References: <mailman.250.1222700232.3539.novell@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<10538CF40D7340C8AA8A5D7E469C1526@Larrys>
Message-ID: <68b791330809290832k5abd2358gd8398a3ff3b9e6a4@mail.gmail.com>

of course you can keep what you want -- there is not reason to change
or even go away from Netware just because you need an MS appplication
server. Keep what you have, shut off the netware-based accpac and
introduce an MS server running accpac (maybe just buy a regular MS
server license ... forget the small biz, what do you need all that,
for?) and just modifiy the accpac clients to access accpac on the
winders server.

Should be no sweat. And, to keep it simple ... why do you have 2
netware servers? Just reduce to one for file/print (and for gods sake,
go to 6.5 and use iprint ...)

Peter

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Larry Burd <larry at ladyburd.com> wrote:
> I have 2 NW 5.1sp8 servers running NDS 7.
> I need to add in a MS SBS 2003 or (nov) 2008,  because our SAGE ACCPAC
> accounting package (the new release) no longer supports Novell.
>
> Can I just add in a MS SBS into the mix ?
> The plan is to eventually turn OFF the NW servers, and run solely on MS SBS.
> But it would be nice to have a mixed enviorment for a short period of time.
>
> Unforturnitly the accounting package world is moving away from NW.. so I
> have to follow SAGE Accpac.
>
> any suggestions?
> and yes, I want to keep Novell, but the time has come....... and I can't
> justify keeping it without any support from business software.....
>
> thanks
> Larry
>
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>




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Woody Allen

http://xkcd.com/167/

www.the-brights.net

From James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com  Mon Sep 29 16:40:07 2008
From: James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com (James Taylor)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:40:07 -0400
Subject: M$ small business server
In-Reply-To: <48E0BCBD.9252.0075.1@eastcobbgroup.com>
References: <mailman.250.1222700232.3539.novell@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<48E0BCBD.9252.0075.1@eastcobbgroup.com>
Message-ID: <48E0BE970200007500031752@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>

I have clients that run in mixed SBS/OES environments to support the same type of situation you're talking about.

However, they are not dropping OES, because of the benefits they get from it.  They Just run the windows server as an app server.

We're talking companies with 30-40 people with two or three of them accessing the accounting software, so they're not big by any means.

In my larger accounts, those tend to be dedicated systems as a rule, so a separate windows box is a normal situation.

-jt  
 

James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
678-697-9420
james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
http://www.eastcobbgroup.com







>>> "Larry Burd" <larry at ladyburd.com> 9/29/2008 11:26 AM >>> 
I have 2 NW 5.1sp8 servers running NDS 7.
I need to add in a MS SBS 2003 or (nov) 2008,  because our SAGE ACCPAC 
accounting package (the new release) no longer supports Novell.

Can I just add in a MS SBS into the mix ?
The plan is to eventually turn OFF the NW servers, and run solely on MS SBS.
But it would be nice to have a mixed enviorment for a short period of time.

Unforturnitly the accounting package world is moving away from NW.. so I 
have to follow SAGE Accpac.

any suggestions?
and yes, I want to keep Novell, but the time has come....... and I can't 
justify keeping it without any support from business software.....

thanks
Larry 

_______________________________________________
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Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
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From James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com  Mon Sep 29 16:42:29 2008
From: James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com (James Taylor)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:42:29 -0400
Subject: M$ small business server
In-Reply-To: <48E0BEEA.9252.0075.1@eastcobbgroup.com>
References: <mailman.250.1222700232.3539.novell@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<10538CF40D7340C8AA8A5D7E469C1526@Larrys>
	<48E0BEEA.9252.0075.1@eastcobbgroup.com>
Message-ID: <48E0BF25020000750003175E@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>

SBS is cheaper, but the disadvantage is that it requires you to implement AD.  If you only need a few accounting users, then it's a lot easier to deal with a standalone server than to have to deal with AD overhead and all the login policy garbage.
-jt 
 

James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
678-697-9420
james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
http://www.eastcobbgroup.com







>>> "Peter Van Lone" <petervl at gmail.com> 9/29/2008 11:32 AM >>> 
of course you can keep what you want -- there is not reason to change
or even go away from Netware just because you need an MS appplication
server. Keep what you have, shut off the netware-based accpac and
introduce an MS server running accpac (maybe just buy a regular MS
server license ... forget the small biz, what do you need all that,
for?) and just modifiy the accpac clients to access accpac on the
winders server.

Should be no sweat. And, to keep it simple ... why do you have 2
netware servers? Just reduce to one for file/print (and for gods sake,
go to 6.5 and use iprint ...)

Peter

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Larry Burd <larry at ladyburd.com> wrote:
> I have 2 NW 5.1sp8 servers running NDS 7.
> I need to add in a MS SBS 2003 or (nov) 2008,  because our SAGE ACCPAC
> accounting package (the new release) no longer supports Novell.
>
> Can I just add in a MS SBS into the mix ?
> The plan is to eventually turn OFF the NW servers, and run solely on MS SBS.
> But it would be nice to have a mixed enviorment for a short period of time.
>
> Unforturnitly the accounting package world is moving away from NW.. so I
> have to follow SAGE Accpac.
>
> any suggestions?
> and yes, I want to keep Novell, but the time has come....... and I can't
> justify keeping it without any support from business software.....
>
> thanks
> Larry
>
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>




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Woody Allen

http://xkcd.com/167/

www.the-brights.net
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From petervl at gmail.com  Mon Sep 29 19:24:37 2008
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:24:37 -0500
Subject: OT: syslog servers
Message-ID: <68b791330809291124h1d15fa69h37ef72c71d741823@mail.gmail.com>

I have a need to put together a syslog server, so that I can
centralize logs from WAN equipment (Cisco router/gateway and an Adtran
DSU/CSU).

I am familiar with installing a quick/free syslog server on a windows
box, but I would prefer to create an  OpenSuse vm to do this simple
job.

It looks like the package "Perl-unix-Syslog" comes with SLED. Is it
possible (and relatively easy) to configure this to receive syslogs
from external boxes (and NOT have internal stuff included in the mix)?
If not, do any of you know of a package that better suits this need?

Peter

-- 



"Nothing works and nobody cares."
Woody Allen

http://xkcd.com/167/

www.the-brights.net

From alandpearson at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 29 21:39:00 2008
From: alandpearson at yahoo.com (Alan Pearson)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:39:00 +0100
Subject: OT: syslog servers
In-Reply-To: <68b791330809291124h1d15fa69h37ef72c71d741823@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330809291124h1d15fa69h37ef72c71d741823@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <353F5966-5CDD-464A-85CD-76FCA336A5E6@yahoo.com>

Hey Peter

you don't need the perl thing.
Linux comes with it's own syslog to do this, you just need to tell it  
to listen for remote syslog connections as well as local.
I think SLED uses syslog-ng,  and googling syslog-ng remote syslog  
should give you the config flag (sorry I forget)


---
AlanP


On 29 Sep 2008, at 19:24, Peter Van Lone wrote:

> I have a need to put together a syslog server, so that I can
> centralize logs from WAN equipment (Cisco router/gateway and an Adtran
> DSU/CSU).
>
> I am familiar with installing a quick/free syslog server on a windows
> box, but I would prefer to create an  OpenSuse vm to do this simple
> job.
>
> It looks like the package "Perl-unix-Syslog" comes with SLED. Is it
> possible (and relatively easy) to configure this to receive syslogs
> from external boxes (and NOT have internal stuff included in the mix)?
> If not, do any of you know of a package that better suits this need?
>
> Peter
>
> -- 
>
>
>
> "Nothing works and nobody cares."
> Woody Allen
>
> http://xkcd.com/167/
>
> www.the-brights.net
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
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From petervl at gmail.com  Mon Sep 29 23:10:31 2008
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:10:31 -0500
Subject: OT: syslog servers
In-Reply-To: <353F5966-5CDD-464A-85CD-76FCA336A5E6@yahoo.com>
References: <68b791330809291124h1d15fa69h37ef72c71d741823@mail.gmail.com>
	<353F5966-5CDD-464A-85CD-76FCA336A5E6@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <68b791330809291510y6f271f0di768c1e447e848193@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Alan Pearson <alandpearson at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hey Peter
>
> you don't need the perl thing.
> Linux comes with it's own syslog to do this, you just need to tell it
> to listen for remote syslog connections as well as local.
> I think SLED uses syslog-ng,  and googling syslog-ng remote syslog
> should give you the config flag (sorry I forget)
>

no problem about the forgetting! :-)

The thing I wonder most, is if syslog can IGNORE local -- I want to be
able to collect ONLY remote, so that the log is clean with only the
stuff we are interested in.

Do you know whether that can be done?

Peter

From alandpearson at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 29 23:21:29 2008
From: alandpearson at yahoo.com (Alan Pearson)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:21:29 +0100
Subject: OT: syslog servers
In-Reply-To: <68b791330809291510y6f271f0di768c1e447e848193@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330809291124h1d15fa69h37ef72c71d741823@mail.gmail.com>
	<353F5966-5CDD-464A-85CD-76FCA336A5E6@yahoo.com>
	<68b791330809291510y6f271f0di768c1e447e848193@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <145C7B53-59E7-4F98-B9B2-418780DFAECA@yahoo.com>

Well, what you do in this case, is like we've done, setup a separate  
log for whatever you're interested in.

For example our PIX firewall logs to firewall.log, and the conf line  
for syslogd (note this isn't syslog-ng) is :

# Firewall logs
local4.*                                                /var/log/ 
firewall.log

# Dont log local4 in messages file
*.info;mail.none;authpriv.none;cron.none;local4.none            /var/ 
log/messages


This is RHEL 4 btw.

Oh, and the flag on syslogd is -r, configured in /etc/sysconfig/syslog

Again, SLES uses syslog-ng (syslog new generation) which uses  
different config, but can def do this

HTH,
Alan


---
AlanP


On 29 Sep 2008, at 23:10, Peter Van Lone wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Alan Pearson  
> <alandpearson at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hey Peter
>>
>> you don't need the perl thing.
>> Linux comes with it's own syslog to do this, you just need to tell it
>> to listen for remote syslog connections as well as local.
>> I think SLED uses syslog-ng,  and googling syslog-ng remote syslog
>> should give you the config flag (sorry I forget)
>>
>
> no problem about the forgetting! :-)
>
> The thing I wonder most, is if syslog can IGNORE local -- I want to be
> able to collect ONLY remote, so that the log is clean with only the
> stuff we are interested in.
>
> Do you know whether that can be done?
>
> Peter
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell



From paul at gear.dyndns.org  Tue Sep 30 01:00:53 2008
From: paul at gear.dyndns.org (Paul Gear)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:00:53 +1000
Subject: OT: syslog servers
In-Reply-To: <68b791330809291510y6f271f0di768c1e447e848193@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330809291124h1d15fa69h37ef72c71d741823@mail.gmail.com>	<353F5966-5CDD-464A-85CD-76FCA336A5E6@yahoo.com>
	<68b791330809291510y6f271f0di768c1e447e848193@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gbrq7l$5f6$1@ger.gmane.org>

Peter Van Lone wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Alan Pearson <alandpearson at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hey Peter
>>
>> you don't need the perl thing.
>> Linux comes with it's own syslog to do this, you just need to tell it
>> to listen for remote syslog connections as well as local.
>> I think SLED uses syslog-ng,  and googling syslog-ng remote syslog
>> should give you the config flag (sorry I forget)
>>
> 
> ...
> 
> The thing I wonder most, is if syslog can IGNORE local -- I want to be
> able to collect ONLY remote, so that the log is clean with only the
> stuff we are interested in.

That's not necessary - with syslog-ng you can configure local stuff to
go to one file or set of files and remote stuff to go to another.  You
can even configure individual files for individual remote hosts.  Check
out the documentation for syslog-ng for details - it's quite comprehensive.

Paul


From Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee  Tue Sep 30 08:41:41 2008
From: Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee (Alar Pandis)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:41:41 +0300
Subject: SLES 10 OES2
Message-ID: <00bc01c922cf$fad7a160$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>

Hi over a long time!
Has anyone tried to install SLES 10 OES2 into tree based on NetWare 5.1
(SP8) server (eDir 8.7.3.8)? I have in this tree already two NetWare 6.5 OES
(SP7) servers (eDir 8.7.3.9 and 8.8 SP2) and one 6.0 server (eDir 8.7.3.8).
Or is better idea first to install eDir 8.8 SP3 on all servers? Probably.
But is it then ok to install?
More thanks,
Alar.



From Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee  Tue Sep 30 08:55:17 2008
From: Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee (Alar Pandis)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:55:17 +0300
Subject: SLES 10 OES2 (with NetWare 5.1 in same tree)
Message-ID: <00c001c922d1$e1342510$8800000a@infutiknt.mtk.ut.ee>

Hi again!
We are just interested in iFolder 3 for now.
Also, is with SLES 10 OES2 installation same as Joe wrote long time ago
about NetWare install -- better is install at once all options then is later
better when is need to add (start using) something (SP's is added to all).
More thanks, Alar.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alar Pandis [mailto:Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:42 AM
To: 'novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk'
Subject: SLES 10 OES2

Hi over a long time!
Has anyone tried to install SLES 10 OES2 into tree based on NetWare 5.1
(SP8) server (eDir 8.7.3.8)? I have in this tree already two NetWare 6.5 OES
(SP7) servers (eDir 8.7.3.9 and 8.8 SP2) and one 6.0 server (eDir 8.7.3.8).
Or is better idea first to install eDir 8.8 SP3 on all servers? Probably.
But is it then ok to install?
More thanks,
Alar.



From James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com  Tue Sep 30 16:05:05 2008
From: James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com (James Taylor)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:05:05 -0400
Subject: SLES 10 OES2 (with NetWare 5.1 in same tree)
In-Reply-To: <48E20706.9252.0075.1@eastcobbgroup.com>
References: <48E20706.9252.0075.1@eastcobbgroup.com>
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As far as I know, with OES2, you still would need to install SLES10SP1 at the same time you install OES2, then update everything using the updates channels.  I don't think you can install OES2 as part of a SLES10SP2 install.
OES2 SP1 will require SLES10SP2, though.

Also, you will definitely need to install all of the OES2 components that you think you will ever use at the initial install.  Once you've done any updates, you will not be successful installing additional OES2 components.

-jt 
 

James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
678-697-9420
james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
http://www.eastcobbgroup.com







>>> "Alar Pandis" <Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee> 9/30/2008 03:55 AM >>> 
Hi again!
We are just interested in iFolder 3 for now.
Also, is with SLES 10 OES2 installation same as Joe wrote long time ago
about NetWare install -- better is install at once all options then is later
better when is need to add (start using) something (SP's is added to all).
More thanks, Alar.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alar Pandis [mailto:Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:42 AM
To: 'novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk'
Subject: SLES 10 OES2

Hi over a long time!
Has anyone tried to install SLES 10 OES2 into tree based on NetWare 5.1
(SP8) server (eDir 8.7.3.8)? I have in this tree already two NetWare 6.5 OES
(SP7) servers (eDir 8.7.3.9 and 8.8 SP2) and one 6.0 server (eDir 8.7.3.8).
Or is better idea first to install eDir 8.8 SP3 on all servers? Probably.
But is it then ok to install?
More thanks,
Alar.


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From HPfeil at uca.edu  Tue Sep 30 16:15:31 2008
From: HPfeil at uca.edu (Hans Pfeil)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:15:31 -0500
Subject: DHCP Service
Message-ID: <48E1FC43.6010.00BD.0@uca.edu>

Hey all, I'm going to take my DHCP service among some other services and put them on a new box, NW6.5.7.  When installing the new box is it necessary to select the DNS/DHCP option?  Or can I just select basic netware components and load dhcpsrvr? 

Thanks
-Hans



From James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com  Tue Sep 30 16:25:19 2008
From: James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com (James Taylor)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:25:19 -0400
Subject: DHCP Service
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You do have to select DNS/DHCP. 
Then all you should need to do is create a dhcp object for the server and assign the ranges to it.
Then you should be able to shut off dhcp on the old box & start it up on the new one.
-jt
 

James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
678-697-9420
james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
http://www.eastcobbgroup.com







>>> "Hans Pfeil" <HPfeil at uca.edu> 9/30/2008 11:15 AM >>> 
Hey all, I'm going to take my DHCP service among some other services and put them on a new box, NW6.5.7.  When installing the new box is it necessary to select the DNS/DHCP option?  Or can I just select basic netware components and load dhcpsrvr? 

Thanks
-Hans


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From jetadmin at gmail.com  Tue Sep 30 20:06:28 2008
From: jetadmin at gmail.com (Eric Rothweiler)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:06:28 -0400
Subject: SLES 10 OES2
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You should be find but you would hear Novell support tell you that
8.7.3.9is preferred over
8.7.3.8

No sound reason to go to 8.8.2.

Eric

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 3:41 AM, Alar Pandis <Alar.Pandis at mtk.ut.ee> wrote:

> Hi over a long time!
> Has anyone tried to install SLES 10 OES2 into tree based on NetWare 5.1
> (SP8) server (eDir 8.7.3.8)? I have in this tree already two NetWare 6.5
> OES
> (SP7) servers (eDir 8.7.3.9 and 8.8 SP2) and one 6.0 server (eDir 8.7.3.8
> ).
> Or is better idea first to install eDir 8.8 SP3 on all servers? Probably.
> But is it then ok to install?
> More thanks,
> Alar.
>
>
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