From alandpearson at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  2 21:12:34 2009
From: alandpearson at yahoo.com (Alan Pearson)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:12:34 +0000
Subject: First OES2 w/linux server
In-Reply-To: <4AE8A21C.3030901@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
References: <4AE84279.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us>	<4AE88061.3030704@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>	<51891.88.211.54.85.1256752375.squirrel@83.67.10.8>	<4AE8884B.70400@oucs.ox.ac.uk>	<4AE89B35.6070604@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<9AB13133-BB3D-4183-A473-E8E995C2C6B4@yahoo.com>
	<4AE8A21C.3030901@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
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I know this is a novell list, but since we had a filesystem  
discussion, I found this today about ZFS :

http://blogs.sun.com/bonwick/entry/zfs_dedup


Very clever indeed.


---
AlanP

On 28 Oct 2009, at 19:57, jrd wrote:

> Alan Pearson wrote:
>> Yes it does look promising, very like ZFS, my only worry is maturity.
>> The sooner we get to the storage abstracted stage (like ZFS /  
>> BTRFS) the better.
>> EXT4, yeah agreed, it hasn't been well received or adopted.
>> Maybe cause ext3 is just good enough for most people.
>> ZFS really shook up the filesystem world, pity Apple have just  
>> dropped it like a hot brick.
>> ---
>> AlanP
> --------
>
> 	Here we agree completely.
> 	Joe D.
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From joe.acquisto at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 16:41:42 2009
From: joe.acquisto at gmail.com (joe Acquisto)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:41:42 -0500
Subject: eDir 8.7.3 SP10 ftf2
Message-ID: <5e7da10a0911060841i4c2263caneacb4b779fa12b6f@mail.gmail.com>

Trying to install eDir 8.7.3 SP10 ftf2, from file downloaded last evening.
After install still shows same version.

?

From smf34 at cam.ac.uk  Fri Nov  6 17:15:21 2009
From: smf34 at cam.ac.uk (Simon Flood)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:15:21 +0000
Subject: eDir 8.7.3 SP10 ftf2
In-Reply-To: <5e7da10a0911060841i4c2263caneacb4b779fa12b6f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e7da10a0911060841i4c2263caneacb4b779fa12b6f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AF459A9.9040405@cam.ac.uk>

On 06/11/2009 16:41, joe Acquisto wrote:

> Trying to install eDir 8.7.3 SP10 ftf2, from file downloaded last evening.
> After install still shows same version.

I have two NW6.5 SP8 servers, one with eDir 8.7.3.10 FTF1 and the other 
with FTF2.  They both show different versions of DS.NLM to plain SP8:

SP8: 10554.34 23 Apr 2008
FTF1: 10554.44 12 Aug 2008
FTF2: 10554.64 10 Oct 2009

Presumably you have restarted the server after installing the patch?

HTH,
Simon

From joe.acquisto at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 17:55:35 2009
From: joe.acquisto at gmail.com (joe Acquisto)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:55:35 -0500
Subject: eDir 8.7.3 SP10 ftf2
In-Reply-To: <4AF459A9.9040405@cam.ac.uk>
References: <5e7da10a0911060841i4c2263caneacb4b779fa12b6f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF459A9.9040405@cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <5e7da10a0911060955g6fa681bcx847be35e40fcae31@mail.gmail.com>

I should have posted this is linux, OES1, precisely.

No, did not restart the server, never had to before, always ndsd stop, run
install, ndsd start.  Done.

Not this time.

joe a.

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Simon Flood <smf34 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:

> On 06/11/2009 16:41, joe Acquisto wrote:
>
>  Trying to install eDir 8.7.3 SP10 ftf2, from file downloaded last evening.
>> After install still shows same version.
>>
>
> I have two NW6.5 SP8 servers, one with eDir 8.7.3.10 FTF1 and the other
> with FTF2.  They both show different versions of DS.NLM to plain SP8:
>
> SP8: 10554.34 23 Apr 2008
> FTF1: 10554.44 12 Aug 2008
> FTF2: 10554.64 10 Oct 2009
>
> Presumably you have restarted the server after installing the patch?
>
> HTH,
> Simon
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>

From smf34 at cam.ac.uk  Fri Nov  6 18:04:14 2009
From: smf34 at cam.ac.uk (Simon Flood)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:04:14 +0000
Subject: eDir 8.7.3 SP10 ftf2
In-Reply-To: <5e7da10a0911060955g6fa681bcx847be35e40fcae31@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e7da10a0911060841i4c2263caneacb4b779fa12b6f@mail.gmail.com>	<4AF459A9.9040405@cam.ac.uk>
	<5e7da10a0911060955g6fa681bcx847be35e40fcae31@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AF4651E.6000108@cam.ac.uk>

On 06/11/2009 17:55, joe Acquisto wrote:

> I should have posted this is linux, OES1, precisely.

Ah makes a big difference.

How did you apply this update?

I note the associated readme @ 
http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=hfY7O6iIdqw~ says

"This patch has not yet been tested nor approved for OES 1 servers."

Simon

From joe.acquisto at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 18:08:26 2009
From: joe.acquisto at gmail.com (joe Acquisto)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:08:26 -0500
Subject: eDir 8.7.3 SP10 ftf2
In-Reply-To: <4AF4651E.6000108@cam.ac.uk>
References: <5e7da10a0911060841i4c2263caneacb4b779fa12b6f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF459A9.9040405@cam.ac.uk>
	<5e7da10a0911060955g6fa681bcx847be35e40fcae31@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF4651E.6000108@cam.ac.uk>
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Guess I missed that.

Regardless . . . should work.

I guess we will just have to be content not running ftf2.   Sigh.

joe a.

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Simon Flood <smf34 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:

> On 06/11/2009 17:55, joe Acquisto wrote:
>
>  I should have posted this is linux, OES1, precisely.
>>
>
> Ah makes a big difference.
>
> How did you apply this update?
>
> I note the associated readme @
> http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=hfY7O6iIdqw~<http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=hfY7O6iIdqw%7E>says
>
> "This patch has not yet been tested nor approved for OES 1 servers."
>
>
> Simon
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From joe.acquisto at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 18:09:44 2009
From: joe.acquisto at gmail.com (joe Acquisto)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:09:44 -0500
Subject: eDir 8.7.3 SP10 ftf2
In-Reply-To: <4AF4651E.6000108@cam.ac.uk>
References: <5e7da10a0911060841i4c2263caneacb4b779fa12b6f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF459A9.9040405@cam.ac.uk>
	<5e7da10a0911060955g6fa681bcx847be35e40fcae31@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF4651E.6000108@cam.ac.uk>
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There's only one way IMO - install.sh

joe a

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Simon Flood <smf34 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:

> On 06/11/2009 17:55, joe Acquisto wrote:
>
. . .

> How did you apply this update?
>
. . .

>
> Simon
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From smf34 at cam.ac.uk  Mon Nov  9 12:18:17 2009
From: smf34 at cam.ac.uk (Simon Flood)
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:18:17 +0000
Subject: eDir 8.7.3 SP10 ftf2
In-Reply-To: <5e7da10a0911061008g1a4b9eabpf20e4b317576c4ef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e7da10a0911060841i4c2263caneacb4b779fa12b6f@mail.gmail.com>	<4AF459A9.9040405@cam.ac.uk>	<5e7da10a0911060955g6fa681bcx847be35e40fcae31@mail.gmail.com>	<4AF4651E.6000108@cam.ac.uk>
	<5e7da10a0911061008g1a4b9eabpf20e4b317576c4ef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AF80889.80802@cam.ac.uk>

On 06/11/2009 18:08, joe Acquisto wrote:

> Guess I missed that.
> 
> Regardless . . . should work.
> 
> I guess we will just have to be content not running ftf2.   Sigh.

I was going to suggest posting this issue to the eDirectory Linux 
support forums but see that you've already done that (with one of the 
Knowledge Partners picking it up).

Simon

From joe.acquisto at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 16:14:56 2009
From: joe.acquisto at gmail.com (joe Acquisto)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:14:56 -0500
Subject: eDir 8.7.3 SP10 ftf2
In-Reply-To: <4AF80889.80802@cam.ac.uk>
References: <5e7da10a0911060841i4c2263caneacb4b779fa12b6f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF459A9.9040405@cam.ac.uk>
	<5e7da10a0911060955g6fa681bcx847be35e40fcae31@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF4651E.6000108@cam.ac.uk>
	<5e7da10a0911061008g1a4b9eabpf20e4b317576c4ef@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF80889.80802@cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <5e7da10a0911090814s3f124f8dv446e127ecaad16e5@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Simon Flood <smf34 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:

> On 06/11/2009 18:08, joe Acquisto wrote:
>
>  Guess I missed that.
>>
>> Regardless . . . should work.
>>
>> I guess we will just have to be content not running ftf2.   Sigh.
>>
>
> I was going to suggest posting this issue to the eDirectory Linux support
> forums but see that you've already done that (with one of the Knowledge
> Partners picking it up).
>
>
> Simon
> _______________________________________________
>

Yes.   Not entirely satisfied, as this point.  I don't see any reason OES1
should not be supported for this, it being a "security" matter, after all.
I may get fried on this point, but I don't think OES1 is EOL, quite yet.
Should check before piping up, tho.

I am under other pressures, right now, but will try this on some other boxes
and see what happens.

joe a.

From smf34 at cam.ac.uk  Mon Nov  9 16:28:25 2009
From: smf34 at cam.ac.uk (Simon Flood)
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:28:25 +0000
Subject: eDir 8.7.3 SP10 ftf2
In-Reply-To: <5e7da10a0911090814s3f124f8dv446e127ecaad16e5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e7da10a0911060841i4c2263caneacb4b779fa12b6f@mail.gmail.com>	<4AF459A9.9040405@cam.ac.uk>	<5e7da10a0911060955g6fa681bcx847be35e40fcae31@mail.gmail.com>	<4AF4651E.6000108@cam.ac.uk>	<5e7da10a0911061008g1a4b9eabpf20e4b317576c4ef@mail.gmail.com>	<4AF80889.80802@cam.ac.uk>
	<5e7da10a0911090814s3f124f8dv446e127ecaad16e5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AF84329.7040206@cam.ac.uk>

On 09/11/2009 16:14, joe Acquisto wrote:

> Yes.   Not entirely satisfied, as this point.  I don't see any reason OES1
> should not be supported for this, it being a "security" matter, after all.
> I may get fried on this point, but I don't think OES1 is EOL, quite yet.
> Should check before piping up, tho.

OES (v1) entered Extended Support at the end of July ...

Simon

From joe.acquisto at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 18:51:21 2009
From: joe.acquisto at gmail.com (joe Acquisto)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:51:21 -0500
Subject: eDir 8.7.3 SP10 ftf2
In-Reply-To: <4AF84329.7040206@cam.ac.uk>
References: <5e7da10a0911060841i4c2263caneacb4b779fa12b6f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF459A9.9040405@cam.ac.uk>
	<5e7da10a0911060955g6fa681bcx847be35e40fcae31@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF4651E.6000108@cam.ac.uk>
	<5e7da10a0911061008g1a4b9eabpf20e4b317576c4ef@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF80889.80802@cam.ac.uk>
	<5e7da10a0911090814s3f124f8dv446e127ecaad16e5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF84329.7040206@cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <5e7da10a0911091051m7b4c6b3ak392b7c60dc6a320f@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks.  To correct myself "fired upon" was meant.

joe a.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Simon Flood <smf34 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:

> On 09/11/2009 16:14, joe Acquisto wrote:
>
>  Yes.   Not entirely satisfied, as this point.  I don't see any reason OES1
>> should not be supported for this, it being a "security" matter, after all.
>> I may get fried on this point, but I don't think OES1 is EOL, quite yet.
>> Should check before piping up, tho.
>>
>
> OES (v1) entered Extended Support at the end of July ...
>
>
> Simon
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From joe.acquisto at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 20:48:17 2009
From: joe.acquisto at gmail.com (joe Acquisto)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:48:17 -0500
Subject: eDir 8.7.3 SP10 ftf2
In-Reply-To: <5e7da10a0911091051m7b4c6b3ak392b7c60dc6a320f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e7da10a0911060841i4c2263caneacb4b779fa12b6f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF459A9.9040405@cam.ac.uk>
	<5e7da10a0911060955g6fa681bcx847be35e40fcae31@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF4651E.6000108@cam.ac.uk>
	<5e7da10a0911061008g1a4b9eabpf20e4b317576c4ef@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF80889.80802@cam.ac.uk>
	<5e7da10a0911090814s3f124f8dv446e127ecaad16e5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF84329.7040206@cam.ac.uk>
	<5e7da10a0911091051m7b4c6b3ak392b7c60dc6a320f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5e7da10a0911091248x4582ae34x4b64effbd3cda134@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:51 PM, joe Acquisto <joe.acquisto at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks.  To correct myself "fired upon" was meant.
>
> joe a.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Simon Flood <smf34 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 09/11/2009 16:14, joe Acquisto wrote:
>>
>>  Yes.   Not entirely satisfied, as this point.  I don't see any reason
>>> OES1
>>> should not be supported for this, it being a "security" matter, after
>>> all.
>>> . . .
>>> Should check before piping up, tho.
>>>
>>
>>
Problem resolved.  Operator error.

joe a.

From budthegrey at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 22:04:14 2009
From: budthegrey at gmail.com (Bud Durland)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:04:14 -0500
Subject: New HP server, back to the old ways
Message-ID: <509526700911091404x478b3224jadce9ee0432e5d3@mail.gmail.com>

I have a new HP DL380/G6 server, and I'd like to install NetWare 6.5/SP8.
The last couple HP servers that I put NetWare came with a "SmartStart" cd
that would automatically install necessary drivers & so forth.  This one did
not, I have to do it old school -- install NW, update drivers along the
way.  The installer doesn't recognize the RAID controller (P410i), so I go
looking at the HP web site, and fine that drivers are only available as
compressed NLM's.  That seems silly.  I tried to un-compress the file at
another NW server, but that fails with 'unable to extract the package'.

Maybe I'll be moving to OES2 after all.

Does anyone have any advice?



-- 
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I'm in my own little world.  But that's OK,
because they all know me here.

From mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us  Mon Nov  9 22:08:29 2009
From: mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us (Matt Smith)
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:08:29 -0500
Subject: New HP server, back to the old ways
In-Reply-To: <509526700911091404x478b3224jadce9ee0432e5d3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509526700911091404x478b3224jadce9ee0432e5d3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AF84C8D.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>

>>> On 11/9/2009 at 5:04 PM, in message
<509526700911091404x478b3224jadce9ee0432e5d3 at mail.gmail.com>, Bud
Durland
<budthegrey at gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe I'll be moving to OES2 after all.
> 
> Does anyone have any advice?
> 

In the RAID controller bios, create two separate RAID volumes, one for
boot, and the other for your NSS volumes.  When you're installing OES,
just ignore the NSS disk until after the server is installed and patched
up.  Then you can go into iManager to create your NSS volumes.

Other than that, just read through the docs.  It's not so bad once you
get used to it.

-Matt 



-- 

Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685 x1314

From akuhn at niu.edu  Mon Nov  9 22:22:01 2009
From: akuhn at niu.edu (Adam Kuhn)
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:22:01 -0600
Subject: New HP server, back to the old ways
In-Reply-To: <509526700911091404x478b3224jadce9ee0432e5d3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509526700911091404x478b3224jadce9ee0432e5d3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AF841A9020000D800092539@wpo.cso.niu.edu>

Had the same problem with a DL360/G6 - I was able to extract the drivers from the NLM though.  Maybe a corrupt download?  Oh, and also on the 360 the SP8 LAN driver abends the server on boot... have to get the BX2.LAN driver form HP as well (if it is the same hardware on the 380)
-Adam

>>> Bud Durland <budthegrey at gmail.com> 11/9/2009 4:04 PM >>>
I have a new HP DL380/G6 server, and I'd like to install NetWare 6.5/SP8.
The last couple HP servers that I put NetWare came with a "SmartStart" cd
that would automatically install necessary drivers & so forth.  This one did
not, I have to do it old school -- install NW, update drivers along the
way.  The installer doesn't recognize the RAID controller (P410i), so I go
looking at the HP web site, and fine that drivers are only available as
compressed NLM's.  That seems silly.  I tried to un-compress the file at
another NW server, but that fails with 'unable to extract the package'.

Maybe I'll be moving to OES2 after all.

Does anyone have any advice?



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From budthegrey at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 00:38:21 2009
From: budthegrey at gmail.com (Bud Durland)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 19:38:21 -0500
Subject: New HP server, back to the old ways
In-Reply-To: <4AF84C8D.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
References: <509526700911091404x478b3224jadce9ee0432e5d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF84C8D.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
Message-ID: <509526700911091638o5c4ec47docacba68a1d2f6691@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Matt Smith <mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us> wrote:

>
> In the RAID controller bios, create two separate RAID volumes, one for
> boot, and the other for your NSS volumes.  When you're installing OES,
> just ignore the NSS disk until after the server is installed and patched
> up.  Then you can go into iManager to create your NSS volumes.
>
> Other than that, just read through the docs.  It's not so bad once you
> get used to it.
>
>

That's kinda what I thought.  I purchased the h/w with NetWare on the brain,
so I have a 72GB RAID1 volume and a 600gb RAID1+0 (4x300gb) volumes.  I've
got SLES 10 and OES2 downloading overnight at work.  Might be time to
experiment.  Have to dig through some archived mail to fetch Joe D's advice
on partitioning..



-- 
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I'm in my own little world.  But that's OK,
because they all know me here.

From budthegrey at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 00:39:55 2009
From: budthegrey at gmail.com (Bud Durland)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 19:39:55 -0500
Subject: New HP server, back to the old ways
In-Reply-To: <4AF841A9020000D800092539@wpo.cso.niu.edu>
References: <509526700911091404x478b3224jadce9ee0432e5d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF841A9020000D800092539@wpo.cso.niu.edu>
Message-ID: <509526700911091639v469dd911k7b56b1b32f91be88@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Adam Kuhn <akuhn at niu.edu> wrote:

> Had the same problem with a DL360/G6 - I was able to extract the drivers
> from the NLM though.  Maybe a corrupt download?


Probalby, but it was close to quitting time, so..



> Oh, and also on the 360 the SP8 LAN driver abends the server on boot...
> have to get the BX2.LAN driver form HP as well (if it is the same hardware
> on the 380)
>

I read that on HP's site.  I figure if I can get the RAID controller to load
up, I can load the latest LAN driver as well


-- 
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I'm in my own little world.  But that's OK,
because they all know me here.

From fabravo at fabgraphics.com  Wed Nov 11 21:13:25 2009
From: fabravo at fabgraphics.com (fabravo)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:13:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Snow Leopard and Netware 6.5
Message-ID: <26287373.post@talk.nabble.com>


Apple released 10.6.2 today. Any confirmation the problem of accessing via
AFP on Netware has been fixed?

Thanks!

\frank 


Alan Pearson wrote:
> 
> OK, works on my test server, but you're right, older version.
> 
> Snow leopard installed & working !
> 
> AFP connects ok now.
> 
> About time apple got their finger out, but when is 10.6.2 (considering  
> 10.6.1 is only just out)
> 
> 
> 
> ---
> AlanP
> 
> On 2 Oct 2009, at 20:16, Simon Flood wrote:
> 
>> On 02/10/2009 17:42, Rick Zeman wrote:
>>
>>> I see that the FTFs for OES and Netware are out now.
>>
>> Ah the one mailing list I forgot to send a message to announcing  
>> these fixes.
>>
>> Anyway be aware that
>>
>> * apparently Apple have finally fixed this and it should be in 10.6.2
>>
>> * installing the OES2 SP1 patch back-revs novell-afptcpd - latest  
>> through patch update channel is .43.0 whereas this patch is .34.1.  
>> Sigh.  Novell is aware of this and are working on a patch against . 
>> 43.0 to be released via channel.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Simon
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From smf34 at cam.ac.uk  Wed Nov 11 21:29:00 2009
From: smf34 at cam.ac.uk (Simon Flood)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:29:00 +0000
Subject: Snow Leopard and Netware 6.5
In-Reply-To: <26287373.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <26287373.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4AFB2C9C.50503@cam.ac.uk>

On 11/11/2009 21:13, fabravo wrote:

> Apple released 10.6.2 today. Any confirmation the problem of accessing via
> AFP on Netware has been fixed?

Yes it's fixed the problem.

The readme for the client update @ http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3874 
includes

--begin--
Network file systems fixes provided for:

     * compatibility with third-party AFP servers

---end---

However I'd still advise applying Novell's patches for NW6.5 SP8 and 
OES2 SP1 Linux to cover Macs that haven't been upgraded or in case Apple 
re-break things ...

HTH,
Simon

From toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee  Thu Nov 12 17:04:08 2009
From: toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee (Toomas Aas)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:04:08 +0200
Subject: OES2 SP2 is out
Message-ID: <4AFC4008.7040300@raad.tartu.ee>

http://bit.ly/1zRW8G

From peschmid at mpsomaha.org  Thu Nov 12 19:29:48 2009
From: peschmid at mpsomaha.org (Patrick Schmidt)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:29:48 -0600
Subject: ZCM SP3?
Message-ID: <4AFC0DCC020000E400024311@groupwise.mpsomaha.org>

Any word on when SP3 for ZCM might be released? I have a meeting tomorrow about Windows 7 and I'd like to speak intelligently about this.

Thanks


--------------------------------------------------
Patrick Schmidt
Millard Public Schools
Network Support Specialist
(402)715-6278
peschmid at mpsomaha.org 
---------------------------------------------------


From budthegrey at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 20:49:33 2009
From: budthegrey at gmail.com (Bud Durland)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:49:33 -0500
Subject: New HP server, back to the old ways
In-Reply-To: <509526700911091639v469dd911k7b56b1b32f91be88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509526700911091404x478b3224jadce9ee0432e5d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF841A9020000D800092539@wpo.cso.niu.edu>
	<509526700911091639v469dd911k7b56b1b32f91be88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <509526700911121249t3cbae790gb9ffca3e3a6d9b8e@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Bud Durland <budthegrey at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Adam Kuhn <akuhn at niu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Had the same problem with a DL360/G6 - I was able to extract the drivers
>> from the NLM though.  Maybe a corrupt download?
>
>
> Probalby, but it was close to quitting time, so..
>
>
>
>>
>>

Turns out the problem was that I had renamed the file from the cryptic
digits-only HP name to something meaningful.  When I renamed it back, I was
able to run it with the -? to get the parameters to extract it on the other
server, even though that server doesn't have the related hardware.

That let me move on to the next problem -- the drivers load OK, but the
installation hangs not long after the "creating swap on SYS" message appears
(on the console, not the installer screen).  After a long while the system
barfs up lots of messages about dismounting things because the controller
went away.  I'm going to check firmware, but I'm also going to try copying
the drivers to C:\NWUPDATE; perhaps the issue is that I'm loading the
drivers from a USB key.

As a test, I was able to install WIndows server 2003 on this system just
fine, so I don't think there's a hardware error with the disk subsystem.




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From cshields at waubonsee.edu  Fri Nov 13 16:00:04 2009
From: cshields at waubonsee.edu (Christopher Shields)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:00:04 -0600
Subject: ZCM SP3?
In-Reply-To: <4AFC0DCC020000E400024311@groupwise.mpsomaha.org>
References: <4AFC0DCC020000E400024311@groupwise.mpsomaha.org>
Message-ID: <4AFD2E24.E9A3.0048.0@waubonsee.edu>

I was told the first or second week of December about 2 weeks ago, but
you can never tell.  Hopefully someone on the list can corroborate
this.
Chris

>>> "Patrick Schmidt" <peschmid at mpsomaha.org> 11/12/2009 1:29 PM >>>
Any word on when SP3 for ZCM might be released? I have a meeting
tomorrow about Windows 7 and I'd like to speak intelligently about
this.

Thanks


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From budthegrey at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 21:58:27 2009
From: budthegrey at gmail.com (Bud Durland)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:58:27 -0500
Subject: New HP server, back to the old ways
In-Reply-To: <509526700911121249t3cbae790gb9ffca3e3a6d9b8e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509526700911091404x478b3224jadce9ee0432e5d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF841A9020000D800092539@wpo.cso.niu.edu>
	<509526700911091639v469dd911k7b56b1b32f91be88@mail.gmail.com>
	<509526700911121249t3cbae790gb9ffca3e3a6d9b8e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <509526700911141358u32f26954ub85f7ea5866b4a44@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Bud Durland <budthegrey at gmail.com> wrote:

So, I might take this new-fangled Linux thing for a test drive.
Fortunately, I have some time to spend playing with it and getting used to
the learning curve.  I have a fresh download of SLES 10 and OES2.  As I
understand it, the prevailing wisdon is to install SLES, get it polished,
then install OES, then sign up for updates.  I'm not really sure what
"polished" means yet, but away I go.

I have SLES installed, IP configured, /boot, swap and / configured as
advised in earlier threads.  A couple things I need advice on:

-- to get past our firewall/proxy server, the IDENTD service needs to be
running on the server; I can't seem to find where to enable that.  A pointer
in the right direction would be appreciated.

-- We have both eDirectory and AD in our network.  What's the prevailing
wisdom with regard to adding this Linux server to the AD domain and/or
adding and configuring SAMBA?

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From mauricep at cds-cumberland.org  Mon Nov 16 19:43:42 2009
From: mauricep at cds-cumberland.org (Maurice)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:43:42 -0500
Subject: Monitor and Notify 
Message-ID: <4B01AB6E.4090801@cds-cumberland.org>

Looking for some info and feedback on what's being used to monitor 
Servers (NW, GW, BES, etc.) and if one goes down or generally fails then 
someone is notified via a text or page, etc.?
We've had a problem with our SANS (told that the next firmware release 
will correct an intermittent problem we are experiencing) and I don't 
enjoy coming into work to find Novell Message Popup about the NSS 
pool(s) being deactivated.


Any real-world feedback would be greatly appreciated...


 
Thanks

-- 
-Maurice Pelletier
Child Development Services - Cumberland County
50 Depot Road
Falmouth, ME 04105
207-781-8881 (voice)
207-781-8855 (fax)

www.cds-cumberland.org


"Linux -- it's not just for breakfast anymore..."
-Moe




From toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee  Mon Nov 16 20:07:14 2009
From: toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee (Toomas Aas)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:07:14 +0200
Subject: Monitor and Notify
In-Reply-To: <4B01AB6E.4090801@cds-cumberland.org>
References: <4B01AB6E.4090801@cds-cumberland.org>
Message-ID: <4B01B0F2.5050002@raad.tartu.ee>

Maurice wrote:

> Looking for some info and feedback on what's being used to monitor 
> Servers (NW, GW, BES, etc.) and if one goes down or generally fails then 
> someone is notified via a text or page, etc.?

NoRM can send out e-mail notifications in case something in it's 'health 
status' section goes non-green. Combine that with e-mail-to-sms services 
from your mobile provider and you're set. worksforme.

--
Toomas



From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Mon Nov 16 20:11:06 2009
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:11:06 -0500
Subject: Monitor and Notify
In-Reply-To: <4B01AB6E.4090801@cds-cumberland.org>
References: <4B01AB6E.4090801@cds-cumberland.org>
Message-ID: <OF95D1645F.E4169BBA-ON85257670.006DEA27-85257670.006EE2D3@LocalDomain>

Maurice,

We have used Nagios and now are using Groundwork Community Edition which is
based on Nagios.  It is free but it does require some learning and setup
but once you get the hang of it the extensibility is very impressive.

You can monitor volume availability right out of the box with Nagios or
Groundwork by using MRTGEXT.NLM.  There is also the ability to email, text
or call (if you have the right hardware in the server).  It also has the
ability to monitor Windows server via WMI and basically any command you can
run on a Linux box will be able to be monitored via ssh.

The site for Groundworks is:  http://www.groundworkopensource.com and they
do offer a pay for edition that is reasonably priced and comes with
support.  There are a number of plugins freely available for monitoring
with Nagios.

Take a look and feel free to contact me off-list if you want more details.

HTH

T2


                                                                           
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Looking for some info and feedback on what's being used to monitor
Servers (NW, GW, BES, etc.) and if one goes down or generally fails then
someone is notified via a text or page, etc.?
We've had a problem with our SANS (told that the next firmware release
will correct an intermittent problem we are experiencing) and I don't
enjoy coming into work to find Novell Message Popup about the NSS
pool(s) being deactivated.


Any real-world feedback would be greatly appreciated...



Thanks

--
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Child Development Services - Cumberland County
50 Depot Road
Falmouth, ME 04105
207-781-8881 (voice)
207-781-8855 (fax)

www.cds-cumberland.org


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From mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us  Mon Nov 16 20:14:22 2009
From: mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us (Matt Smith)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:14:22 -0500
Subject: Monitor and Notify
Message-ID: <4B016C4E020000680003405E@gwmail.oconee.k12.ga.us>

Right now we're using the community version of Groundworks.  It's kind
of like Nagios with some extra add-ons.  I think Nagios by itself works
just fine too, though.  I'm only doing simple ping checks for the most
part, but I do also check for stuff like the availability of the /ipp
URL or whether secure LDAP will respond on a given OES-L server.  I'd
like to create something a little more clever, but I just haven't been
able to make the time.  We all have Blackberries now, and so I just
email out alerts.  Before the Blackberries, I would use an email-to-sms
service to send alerts to our old phones.  Works fine.

-Matt


Matt Smith  Network Specialist
Oconee County Board of Education
mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us
706-769-5685
>>> Toomas Aas <toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee> 11/16/09 3:07 PM >>>
Maurice wrote:

> Looking for some info and feedback on what's being used to monitor 
> Servers (NW, GW, BES, etc.) and if one goes down or generally fails
then 
> someone is notified via a text or page, etc.?

NoRM can send out e-mail notifications in case something in it's 'health

status' section goes non-green. Combine that with e-mail-to-sms services

from your mobile provider and you're set. worksforme.

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From MGlenn at cco.state.oh.us  Mon Nov 16 20:41:31 2009
From: MGlenn at cco.state.oh.us (Michael Glenn)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:41:31 -0500
Subject: Monitor and Notify
In-Reply-To: <4B01AB6E.4090801@cds-cumberland.org>
References: <4B01AB6E.4090801@cds-cumberland.org>
Message-ID: <4B0172AA.33FD.002C.1@cco.state.oh.us>

NoRM and Nagios.

>>> Maurice <mauricep at cds-cumberland.org> 11/16/2009 14:43 >>>
Looking for some info and feedback on what's being used to monitor 
Servers (NW, GW, BES, etc.) and if one goes down or generally fails then 
someone is notified via a text or page, etc.?
We've had a problem with our SANS (told that the next firmware release 
will correct an intermittent problem we are experiencing) and I don't 
enjoy coming into work to find Novell Message Popup about the NSS 
pool(s) being deactivated.


Any real-world feedback would be greatly appreciated...



From randygrein at comcast.net  Tue Nov 17 05:07:32 2009
From: randygrein at comcast.net (Randy Grein)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:07:32 -0800
Subject: Monitor and Notify
In-Reply-To: <4B01B0F2.5050002@raad.tartu.ee>
References: <4B01AB6E.4090801@cds-cumberland.org>
	<4B01B0F2.5050002@raad.tartu.ee>
Message-ID: <99709F62-630D-485D-8809-18AEE391D094@comcast.net>

What I use. Added to the SAN controllers which (in our case) send SMTP  
messages. The rest is done with Solar Winds. I'm not a huge fan of the  
product, it's a bit windows centric, but does have some deeper  
capabilities than open source equivalents. Costs more and less robust,  
but you get what you get....
Randy Grein

On Nov 16, 2009, at 12:07 PM, Toomas Aas wrote:

> Maurice wrote:
>
>> Looking for some info and feedback on what's being used to monitor  
>> Servers (NW, GW, BES, etc.) and if one goes down or generally fails  
>> then someone is notified via a text or page, etc.?
>
> NoRM can send out e-mail notifications in case something in it's  
> 'health status' section goes non-green. Combine that with e-mail-to- 
> sms services from your mobile provider and you're set. worksforme.
>
> --
> Toomas
>
>
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From zzz at minneapolis.edu  Wed Nov 18 01:39:03 2009
From: zzz at minneapolis.edu (zzz)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:39:03 -0600
Subject: Complex passwords NOVELL 6.0 SP5 and edir 8.6.2
Message-ID: <sb02fbe6.078@halley.mctc.mnscu.edu>

Greetings,
Legacy stuff question - but I have been asked to verify.

Is "complex" password enforcement supported with NW6.0 SP5 and edir
8.6.2. with the C32 client?

Complex  means here alpha/numeric/special character all need to be
used.
I don't see any of this in C1, so just want to verify if I missed
anything.

Thank you for your help.

Dana 

From Steven.Tharp at davenport.edu  Wed Nov 18 02:30:20 2009
From: Steven.Tharp at davenport.edu (Steven Tharp)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:30:20 -0500
Subject: Complex passwords NOVELL 6.0 SP5 and edir 8.6.2
Message-ID: <4B0315EC0200004000075049@davenport.edu>

Complex Password are apart of the Novell NMAS technology.
You need Nmas installed on local machine (Part of Novell Client)
Then you need to create Password Polices that are created in Imanager using the Password Plugins.
You need to learn how to apply those polices (Users, Users Container, Partition Boundary Container, or Tree.
Then you will likely need to change user objects to force a password reset. 
You might also want to install the Password Portal to allow users to change passwords and to answer your Forgotten Password Question.

Steven Tharp
 


>>> "zzz" <zzz at minneapolis.edu> 11/17/09 8:40 PM >>>
Greetings,
Legacy stuff question - but I have been asked to verify.

Is "complex" password enforcement supported with NW6.0 SP5 and edir
8.6.2. with the C32 client?

Complex  means here alpha/numeric/special character all need to be
used.
I don't see any of this in C1, so just want to verify if I missed
anything.

Thank you for your help.

Dana 
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From petervl at gmail.com  Wed Nov 18 15:06:46 2009
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:06:46 -0600
Subject: Complex passwords NOVELL 6.0 SP5 and edir 8.6.2
In-Reply-To: <4B0315EC0200004000075049@davenport.edu>
References: <4B0315EC0200004000075049@davenport.edu>
Message-ID: <68b791330911180706v6854f80bn387a447bba3d3536@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think that Universal Password is supported in NW 6.0

from what I remember there were some ways of getting to password
complexity prior to Universal Password, but I think they involved
for-purchase additions to NMAS, etc ... it was not free and it was not
straight forward, either.

My memory could be wrong on this, but I suspect you will have challenges.

P


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On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Steven Tharp
<Steven.Tharp at davenport.edu> wrote:
> Complex Password are apart of the Novell NMAS technology.
> You need Nmas installed on local machine (Part of Novell Client)
> Then you need to create Password Polices that are created in Imanager using the Password Plugins.
> You need to learn how to apply those polices (Users, Users Container, Partition Boundary Container, or Tree.
> Then you will likely need to change user objects to force a password reset.
> You might also want to install the Password Portal to allow users to change passwords and to answer your Forgotten Password Question.
>
> Steven Tharp
>
>
>
>>>> "zzz" <zzz at minneapolis.edu> 11/17/09 8:40 PM >>>
> Greetings,
> Legacy stuff question - but I have been asked to verify.
>
> Is "complex" password enforcement supported with NW6.0 SP5 and edir
> 8.6.2. with the C32 client?
>
> Complex ?means here alpha/numeric/special character all need to be
> used.
> I don't see any of this in C1, so just want to verify if I missed
> anything.
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
> Dana
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From petervl at gmail.com  Fri Nov 20 00:35:48 2009
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:35:48 -0600
Subject: Netware and SAN access
Message-ID: <68b791330911191635g6cea5ff6nbb5e2d8636603035@mail.gmail.com>

So, I know this is a bit OT for NGW, but I figured someone on one of
these lists may have seen something similar:

a 2-node nw6.0 sp5 (I iknow ... not mine) cluster, connected to an EMC
cx300. No powerpath, and multi-path = off setting in startup.ncf
(weird!?!?)

Has been working fine for years -- this week, one node abended, and
when it came back up could not see the SAN or join the cluster.
Apparently this has happened "occasionally" in the past, and the admin
has simply had to reboot both nodes and then they both came back.

However, this time: he downed the cluster and rebooted the still good
node: and then it could not see the SAN or join the cluster, either.
Other hosts still connected to the SAN were fine. Eventually on a
hunch (since FC switch A could not be managed -- the web browser login
never came up)  they reset the FC switch, and then the 2nd node came
up again. However, the first node still cannot see any LUN on the SAN.

It does appear to see 2 items in device list (DGC LUNZ blah blah blah)
that is 0 kb (I think it is the emc controller) so it appears to be
accessing the fabric. And the FC switches see this servers HBAs
(lights on, port enabled, etc ..). The EMC unit has presented the LUNs
to it, as has always been the case -- it just can't see them now.

Huh?

We have tried loading only one HBA, have tried enabling multipath, etc
... to no avail. The EMC guy is saying it's a Netware thing. I and the
Novell support dude say it's a Storage presentation thing --

Any ideas?

P


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From Sami.Kapanen at hamk.fi  Fri Nov 20 06:32:32 2009
From: Sami.Kapanen at hamk.fi (Sami Kapanen)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:32:32 +0200
Subject: [ngw] Netware and SAN access
In-Reply-To: <68b791330911191635g6cea5ff6nbb5e2d8636603035@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330911191635g6cea5ff6nbb5e2d8636603035@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B0654210200004E00068C0C@com-gwia.hamk.fi>

>>> On 20.11.2009 at 2:35, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> We have tried loading only one HBA, have tried enabling multipath, etc
> ... to no avail. The EMC guy is saying it's a Netware thing. I and the
> Novell support dude say it's a Storage presentation thing --
> 
> Any ideas?

What does connectivity status on CX300 tell, does it show the Netware HBA as connected and registered or what?
I remember once having to re-register Netware hosts, they came up with unregistered status.

-sk



From Tim at nds8.co.uk  Fri Nov 20 08:00:06 2009
From: Tim at nds8.co.uk (Tim Heywood)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:00:06 +0000
Subject: Netware and SAN access
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I think you got the hint with the HP switch restarting...

The CX300 is very old and I don't trust EMC support folk.  There are
good ones and a whole load more who haven't a clue.  I have beaten them
more than once :-)

It sounds as if the fabirc has the problem - are the NW nodes the only
things connected or are there others?  what is the zoneing like?  f
these are the only 2 servers, try one HBA directly connected to one of
the SPs   Does that work?  Try changing the Gbic/ports on the fibre
switch.

It might sound strange but power off everything, remove the power cable
from the swicth for 5 mins.  Then restart in the order, HP Switch, CX300
and the NW nodes with 5 mins between each.  Remember that a CX300 uses
embedded NT!  ;-)

T




-- 

Tim Heywood
NDS8
Novell Platinum Solution Provider
 
Office:  +44 (0) 131 538 8202
Mobile:  +44 (0) 7974 134264>>> On 20 November 2009 at 00:35, Peter Van
Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
> So, I know this is a bit OT for NGW, but I figured someone on one of
> these lists may have seen something similar:
> 
> a 2-node nw6.0 sp5 (I iknow ... not mine) cluster, connected to an
EMC
> cx300. No powerpath, and multi-path = off setting in startup.ncf
> (weird!?!?)
> 
> Has been working fine for years -- this week, one node abended, and
> when it came back up could not see the SAN or join the cluster.
> Apparently this has happened "occasionally" in the past, and the
admin
> has simply had to reboot both nodes and then they both came back.
> 
> However, this time: he downed the cluster and rebooted the still
good
> node: and then it could not see the SAN or join the cluster, either.
> Other hosts still connected to the SAN were fine. Eventually on a
> hunch (since FC switch A could not be managed -- the web browser
login
> never came up)  they reset the FC switch, and then the 2nd node came
> up again. However, the first node still cannot see any LUN on the
SAN.
> 
> It does appear to see 2 items in device list (DGC LUNZ blah blah
blah)
> that is 0 kb (I think it is the emc controller) so it appears to be
> accessing the fabric. And the FC switches see this servers HBAs
> (lights on, port enabled, etc ..). The EMC unit has presented the
LUNs
> to it, as has always been the case -- it just can't see them now.
> 
> Huh?
> 
> We have tried loading only one HBA, have tried enabling multipath,
etc
> ... to no avail. The EMC guy is saying it's a Netware thing. I and
the
> Novell support dude say it's a Storage presentation thing --
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> P
> 
> 
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From petervl at gmail.com  Fri Nov 20 11:35:59 2009
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:35:59 -0600
Subject: [ngw] Re: Netware and SAN access
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excellent suggestions, thank you. I have been asked to come on-site
and wrestle with the EMC dude. Like most of you, I suspect that this
HAS to be somewhere other than the OS.

The FC Switches see the Netware server HBAs. The zoning apparently is
fine (though I cannot tell -- I know Brocade and Cisco FC switches,
and these EMC-branded things are ... weird).

The LUN presentation was withdrawn from this server, and then
re-presented (at my suggestion) apparently with no effect. The HBA
drivers (ql2300) load without error. We have gone into the HBA bios
utility to scan the fabric -- it appears to see something, but the
disk utilities do not see LUNS.

REALLY



On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Tim Heywood <Tim at nds8.co.uk> wrote:
> I think you got the hint with the HP switch restarting...
>
> The CX300 is very old and I don't trust EMC support folk. ?There are
> good ones and a whole load more who haven't a clue. ?I have beaten them
> more than once :-)
>
> It sounds as if the fabirc has the problem - are the NW nodes the only
> things connected or are there others? ?what is the zoneing like? ?f
> these are the only 2 servers, try one HBA directly connected to one of
> the SPs ? Does that work? ?Try changing the Gbic/ports on the fibre
> switch.
>
> It might sound strange but power off everything, remove the power cable
> from the swicth for 5 mins. ?Then restart in the order, HP Switch, CX300
> and the NW nodes with 5 mins between each. ?Remember that a CX300 uses
> embedded NT! ?;-)
>
> T
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Tim Heywood
> NDS8
> Novell Platinum Solution Provider
>
> Office: ?+44 (0) 131 538 8202
> Mobile: ?+44 (0) 7974 134264>>> On 20 November 2009 at 00:35, Peter Van
> Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> So, I know this is a bit OT for NGW, but I figured someone on one of
>> these lists may have seen something similar:
>>
>> a 2-node nw6.0 sp5 (I iknow ... not mine) cluster, connected to an
> EMC
>> cx300. No powerpath, and multi-path = off setting in startup.ncf
>> (weird!?!?)
>>
>> Has been working fine for years -- this week, one node abended, and
>> when it came back up could not see the SAN or join the cluster.
>> Apparently this has happened "occasionally" in the past, and the
> admin
>> has simply had to reboot both nodes and then they both came back.
>>
>> However, this time: he downed the cluster and rebooted the still
> good
>> node: and then it could not see the SAN or join the cluster, either.
>> Other hosts still connected to the SAN were fine. Eventually on a
>> hunch (since FC switch A could not be managed -- the web browser
> login
>> never came up) ?they reset the FC switch, and then the 2nd node came
>> up again. However, the first node still cannot see any LUN on the
> SAN.
>>
>> It does appear to see 2 items in device list (DGC LUNZ blah blah
> blah)
>> that is 0 kb (I think it is the emc controller) so it appears to be
>> accessing the fabric. And the FC switches see this servers HBAs
>> (lights on, port enabled, etc ..). The EMC unit has presented the
> LUNs
>> to it, as has always been the case -- it just can't see them now.
>>
>> Huh?
>>
>> We have tried loading only one HBA, have tried enabling multipath,
> etc
>> ... to no avail. The EMC guy is saying it's a Netware thing. I and
> the
>> Novell support dude say it's a Storage presentation thing --
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> P
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> "The ability to be heard must be defended as vigorously as the right
>> to speak." -- ?Mike McCabe, Executive director of the Wisconsin
>> Democracy Campaign
>>
>> http://www.the-brights.net
>> http://xkcd.com/167
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From MGlenn at cco.state.oh.us  Fri Nov 20 14:02:19 2009
From: MGlenn at cco.state.oh.us (Michael Glenn)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:02:19 -0500
Subject: Netware and SAN access
In-Reply-To: <4B064C86020000BB00044548@mail2.nds8.com>
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	<4B064C86020000BB00044548@mail2.nds8.com>
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Yeah; that really freaked me out when I found out EMC was using a Windoze kernel for their storage processors.

*Slowly backs away.*

There's a new kid on the block, named Compellent. Next hardware interation, I'm going to let them have a shot, if only for the fact it doesn't take a degree in Rocket Science to run one of their SANs.
:P

>>> "Tim Heywood" <Tim at nds8.co.uk> 11/20/2009 03:00 >>>
....Remember that a CX300 uses embedded NT!  ;-)




From geoffreycarman at gmail.com  Fri Nov 20 14:05:35 2009
From: geoffreycarman at gmail.com (Geoffrey Carman)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:05:35 -0500
Subject: Netware and SAN access
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References: <68b791330911191635g6cea5ff6nbb5e2d8636603035@mail.gmail.com>
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I read this and experienced great amounts of Deja Vu!  Had this exact
issue on the CX300 to a 2 node Netware 6.5 cluster.

I would swear this is an issue inside the EMC management tool.

It was something to do with the config of how the LUN is presented.
Once changed the size shows correctly.

But it was over 4 years ago now, so I am completely blanking on the
specific details.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
> So, I know this is a bit OT for NGW, but I figured someone on one of
> these lists may have seen something similar:
>
> a 2-node nw6.0 sp5 (I iknow ... not mine) cluster, connected to an EMC
> cx300. No powerpath, and multi-path = off setting in startup.ncf
> (weird!?!?)
>
> Has been working fine for years -- this week, one node abended, and
> when it came back up could not see the SAN or join the cluster.
> Apparently this has happened "occasionally" in the past, and the admin
> has simply had to reboot both nodes and then they both came back.
>
> However, this time: he downed the cluster and rebooted the still good
> node: and then it could not see the SAN or join the cluster, either.
> Other hosts still connected to the SAN were fine. Eventually on a
> hunch (since FC switch A could not be managed -- the web browser login
> never came up) ?they reset the FC switch, and then the 2nd node came
> up again. However, the first node still cannot see any LUN on the SAN.
>
> It does appear to see 2 items in device list (DGC LUNZ blah blah blah)
> that is 0 kb (I think it is the emc controller) so it appears to be
> accessing the fabric. And the FC switches see this servers HBAs
> (lights on, port enabled, etc ..). The EMC unit has presented the LUNs
> to it, as has always been the case -- it just can't see them now.
>
> Huh?
>
> We have tried loading only one HBA, have tried enabling multipath, etc
> ... to no avail. The EMC guy is saying it's a Netware thing. I and the
> Novell support dude say it's a Storage presentation thing --
>
> Any ideas?
>
> P
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> "The ability to be heard must be defended as vigorously as the right
> to speak." -- ?Mike McCabe, Executive director of the Wisconsin
> Democracy Campaign
>
> http://www.the-brights.net
> http://xkcd.com/167
> _______________________________________________
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> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>



-- 
Geoffrey Carman
geoffreycarman at gmail.com

From petervl at gmail.com  Fri Nov 20 15:54:41 2009
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:54:41 -0600
Subject: [ngw] Re: Netware and SAN access
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Well that was quick --

my instincts that it was NOT the OS were right. But, it turns out also
not to be at the CX300 either -- as soon as one of the HBAs was
removed from the server, then it worked. Weird -- why, all of a
sudden, would a bios memory mapping difficultly develop? Hmmm

At any rate, it's back up

Thnx for the thoughts and memories!

:-)



On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 5:35 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
> excellent suggestions, thank you. I have been asked to come on-site
> and wrestle with the EMC dude. Like most of you, I suspect that this
> HAS to be somewhere other than the OS.
>
> The FC Switches see the Netware server HBAs. The zoning apparently is
> fine (though I cannot tell -- I know Brocade and Cisco FC switches,
> and these EMC-branded things are ... weird).
>
> The LUN presentation was withdrawn from this server, and then
> re-presented (at my suggestion) apparently with no effect. The HBA
> drivers (ql2300) load without error. We have gone into the HBA bios
> utility to scan the fabric -- it appears to see something, but the
> disk utilities do not see LUNS.
>
> REALLY
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Tim Heywood <Tim at nds8.co.uk> wrote:
>> I think you got the hint with the HP switch restarting...
>>
>> The CX300 is very old and I don't trust EMC support folk. ?There are
>> good ones and a whole load more who haven't a clue. ?I have beaten them
>> more than once :-)
>>
>> It sounds as if the fabirc has the problem - are the NW nodes the only
>> things connected or are there others? ?what is the zoneing like? ?f
>> these are the only 2 servers, try one HBA directly connected to one of
>> the SPs ? Does that work? ?Try changing the Gbic/ports on the fibre
>> switch.
>>
>> It might sound strange but power off everything, remove the power cable
>> from the swicth for 5 mins. ?Then restart in the order, HP Switch, CX300
>> and the NW nodes with 5 mins between each. ?Remember that a CX300 uses
>> embedded NT! ?;-)
>>
>> T
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Tim Heywood
>> NDS8
>> Novell Platinum Solution Provider
>>
>> Office: ?+44 (0) 131 538 8202
>> Mobile: ?+44 (0) 7974 134264>>> On 20 November 2009 at 00:35, Peter Van
>> Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> So, I know this is a bit OT for NGW, but I figured someone on one of
>>> these lists may have seen something similar:
>>>
>>> a 2-node nw6.0 sp5 (I iknow ... not mine) cluster, connected to an
>> EMC
>>> cx300. No powerpath, and multi-path = off setting in startup.ncf
>>> (weird!?!?)
>>>
>>> Has been working fine for years -- this week, one node abended, and
>>> when it came back up could not see the SAN or join the cluster.
>>> Apparently this has happened "occasionally" in the past, and the
>> admin
>>> has simply had to reboot both nodes and then they both came back.
>>>
>>> However, this time: he downed the cluster and rebooted the still
>> good
>>> node: and then it could not see the SAN or join the cluster, either.
>>> Other hosts still connected to the SAN were fine. Eventually on a
>>> hunch (since FC switch A could not be managed -- the web browser
>> login
>>> never came up) ?they reset the FC switch, and then the 2nd node came
>>> up again. However, the first node still cannot see any LUN on the
>> SAN.
>>>
>>> It does appear to see 2 items in device list (DGC LUNZ blah blah
>> blah)
>>> that is 0 kb (I think it is the emc controller) so it appears to be
>>> accessing the fabric. And the FC switches see this servers HBAs
>>> (lights on, port enabled, etc ..). The EMC unit has presented the
>> LUNs
>>> to it, as has always been the case -- it just can't see them now.
>>>
>>> Huh?
>>>
>>> We have tried loading only one HBA, have tried enabling multipath,
>> etc
>>> ... to no avail. The EMC guy is saying it's a Netware thing. I and
>> the
>>> Novell support dude say it's a Storage presentation thing --
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> P
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>> "The ability to be heard must be defended as vigorously as the right
>>> to speak." -- ?Mike McCabe, Executive director of the Wisconsin
>>> Democracy Campaign
>>>
>>> http://www.the-brights.net
>>> http://xkcd.com/167
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From Tim at nds8.co.uk  Fri Nov 20 17:38:10 2009
From: Tim at nds8.co.uk (Tim Heywood)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:38:10 +0000
Subject: Netware and SAN access
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Compellent and 3PAR are both very nice - however the solution that I
really really like at the moment is the IBM SVC.  imagine you can use a
whole collection of modular arrays from just about any manufacturer and
have the same functionality across the lot that you get from a
Compellent system.

Mirror an EMC Fibre system with an iSCSI HP, on the fly move from a
Hitachi to a SUN, copy on write snapshot an old MSA1000,  you name it,
it does it.. awesome!  Mind you the price is too - LOL  

T



-- 

Tim Heywood
NDS8
Novell Platinum Solution Provider
 
Office:  +44 (0) 131 538 8202
Mobile:  +44 (0) 7974 134264>>> On 20 November 2009 at 14:02, "Michael
Glenn" <MGlenn at cco.state.oh.us> wrote:
> Yeah; that really freaked me out when I found out EMC was using a
Windoze 
> kernel for their storage processors.
> 
> *Slowly backs away.*
> 
> There's a new kid on the block, named Compellent. Next hardware
interation, 
> I'm going to let them have a shot, if only for the fact it doesn't
take a 
> degree in Rocket Science to run one of their SANs.
> :P
> 
>>>> "Tim Heywood" <Tim at nds8.co.uk> 11/20/2009 03:00 >>>
> ....Remember that a CX300 uses embedded NT!  ;-)
> 
> 
> 
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