From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk Thu Oct 1 19:45:54 2009 From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (jrd) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 19:45:54 +0100 Subject: One & two day presentation tour on using Novell's products Message-ID: <4AC4F8E2.7000009@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Many of you likely are aware through mailers that the Novell Technology Partners (TTP) group and Novell are offering one and two day's of presentation and discussion about using Novell's products. We name this the Hidden Gems tour. It will be given in Bracknell in the UK next week and then starting November at cities in South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Singapore, and India, finishing in mid Dec. Details and registration are available at http://mindworksuk.com/ttp-other-courses.html under the Hidden Gems EMEA and Asia Tour items. The content is technical, not sales, and in addition to bringing like minded academic and commercial people together one of the goals is to indicate how we may extract more benefit from products we already have. Membership in the TTP is not a requirement. If you and your colleagues have an interest please do register early so that we may plan appropriately. This month is best because afterward we will be on the move with little time to do administration. Thanks, Joe D. From RZeman at melwood.org Fri Oct 2 17:42:17 2009 From: RZeman at melwood.org (Rick Zeman) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 12:42:17 -0400 Subject: Snow Leopard and Netware 6.5 In-Reply-To: <4AAAFA6E.1030303@oberlin.edu> References: <4AA928CD.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org> <4AA9689B.6020208@oberlin.edu> <4AA96D81.201@oberlin.edu> <0B1A4DB5-C431-48F6-9233-D48E10C607F7@yahoo.com> <4AAA7CCA.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org><4AAA7CCA.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org> <4AAAFA6E.1030303@oberlin.edu> Message-ID: <4AC5F529.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org> I see that the FTFs for OES and Netware are out now. -- Richard Zeman Director of Information Technology Melwood ~ Growing Together 301.599.4574 - HelpDesk 301.599.4560 - MyDesk http://www.melwood.org ( http://www.melwood.org/ ) >>> Cal Frye 9/11/2009 9:33 PM >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rick Zeman wrote: > An Apple issue, but Novell is updating the back end? > Yeah, Apple has logged it as a bug, but it'll be faster for Novell to accommodate than to suggest anything's wrong at One Infinite Loop ;-) Statement here: http://www.condreycorp.com/Notifications/Snow%20Leopard%20Novell%20AFP%20Advisory.html The big list of incompatibilities with Snow Leopard remains at http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/ - -- Celebrating the 150th anniversary of the publication of the Origin of Species. - -- Cal Frye, Network Administrator, Oberlin College Mudd Library, x.56930 -- CIT will NEVER ask you for your password! www.calfrye.com, www.pitalabs.com "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard P. 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Thank you. ************ Sign up for Melwood's e-mail bulletins at http://www.melwood.org/signup.asp From alandpearson at yahoo.com Fri Oct 2 19:07:17 2009 From: alandpearson at yahoo.com (Alan Pearson) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:07:17 +0100 Subject: Snow Leopard and Netware 6.5 In-Reply-To: <4AC5F529.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org> References: <4AA928CD.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org> <4AA9689B.6020208@oberlin.edu> <4AA96D81.201@oberlin.edu> <0B1A4DB5-C431-48F6-9233-D48E10C607F7@yahoo.com> <4AAA7CCA.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org><4AAA7CCA.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org> <4AAAFA6E.1030303@oberlin.edu> <4AC5F529.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org> Message-ID: <6B0C06D7-2648-4F5D-AA92-1CC8AD6705A1@yahoo.com> Wooohoo ! I can do my snow leopard upgrade this weekend now ! --- AlanP On 2 Oct 2009, at 17:42, Rick Zeman wrote: > I see that the FTFs for OES and Netware are out now. > > -- > Richard Zeman > Director of Information Technology > Melwood ~ Growing Together > 301.599.4574 - HelpDesk > 301.599.4560 - MyDesk > http://www.melwood.org ( http://www.melwood.org/ ) > > >>>> Cal Frye 9/11/2009 9:33 PM >>> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Rick Zeman wrote: >> An Apple issue, but Novell is updating the back end? >> > Yeah, Apple has logged it as a bug, but it'll be faster for Novell to > accommodate than to suggest anything's wrong at One Infinite Loop ;-) > > Statement here: > http://www.condreycorp.com/Notifications/Snow%20Leopard%20Novell%20AFP%20Advisory.html > > The big list of incompatibilities with Snow Leopard remains at > http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/ > > - -- > Celebrating the 150th anniversary of the publication of the Origin of > Species. > - -- Cal Frye, Network Administrator, Oberlin College > Mudd Library, x.56930 -- CIT will NEVER ask you for your password! > > www.calfrye.com, www.pitalabs.com > > "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public > relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard P. Feynman. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkqq+m0ACgkQcZlA4wu9pSAjagCdF2e02rlcLRkBH44YxnEWf8gZ > YI8An29VV+6A9Gto/CpKLZVGSx2JcwFe > =aWic > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell > > > ************ > This Melwood e-mail may contain information that is proprietary, > privileged and/or confidential and is intended exclusively for the > person(s) to whom it is addressed, or their designee. Any use, > copying, retention or disclosure by any person other than the > intended recipient or the intended recipient's designees is strictly > prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or their designee, > please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete all > copies. Thank you. > ************ > Sign up for Melwood's e-mail bulletins at http://www.melwood.org/signup.asp > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell From tom.anstey at imm.ox.ac.uk Fri Oct 2 19:30:30 2009 From: tom.anstey at imm.ox.ac.uk (Tom Anstey) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:30:30 +0100 Subject: Snow Leopard and Netware 6.5 In-Reply-To: <6B0C06D7-2648-4F5D-AA92-1CC8AD6705A1@yahoo.com> References: <4AA928CD.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org> <4AA9689B.6020208@oberlin.edu> <4AA96D81.201@oberlin.edu> <0B1A4DB5-C431-48F6-9233-D48E10C607F7@yahoo.com> <4AAA7CCA.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org><4AAA7CCA.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org> <4AAAFA6E.1030303@oberlin.edu> <4AC5F529.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org> <6B0C06D7-2648-4F5D-AA92-1CC8AD6705A1@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1254508230.5313.1.camel@linux-ntsh.site> On Fri, 2009-10-02 at 19:07 +0100, Alan Pearson wrote: > Wooohoo ! > > I can do my snow leopard upgrade this weekend now ! > > --- > AlanP > > On 2 Oct 2009, at 17:42, Rick Zeman wrote: > > > I see that the FTFs for OES and Netware are out now. > > With care. They are FTFs remember, so feedback, both positive and negative might be appreciated. Tom From alandpearson at yahoo.com Fri Oct 2 19:48:29 2009 From: alandpearson at yahoo.com (Alan Pearson) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:48:29 +0100 Subject: Snow Leopard and Netware 6.5 In-Reply-To: <1254508230.5313.1.camel@linux-ntsh.site> References: <4AA928CD.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org> <4AA9689B.6020208@oberlin.edu> <4AA96D81.201@oberlin.edu> <0B1A4DB5-C431-48F6-9233-D48E10C607F7@yahoo.com> <4AAA7CCA.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org><4AAA7CCA.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org> <4AAAFA6E.1030303@oberlin.edu> <4AC5F529.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org> <6B0C06D7-2648-4F5D-AA92-1CC8AD6705A1@yahoo.com> <1254508230.5313.1.camel@linux-ntsh.site> Message-ID: <29051DD8-5F10-45E8-B326-D9158A629AC9@yahoo.com> Yes, point taken. If it doesn't work, it is no biggie as I can use CIFS until it does. I'm more worried about snow leopard not working though..... :) --- AlanP On 2 Oct 2009, at 19:30, Tom Anstey wrote: > On Fri, 2009-10-02 at 19:07 +0100, Alan Pearson wrote: >> Wooohoo ! >> >> I can do my snow leopard upgrade this weekend now ! >> >> --- >> AlanP >> >> On 2 Oct 2009, at 17:42, Rick Zeman wrote: >> >>> I see that the FTFs for OES and Netware are out now. >>> > With care. They are FTFs remember, so feedback, both positive and > negative might be appreciated. > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell From smf34 at cam.ac.uk Fri Oct 2 20:16:12 2009 From: smf34 at cam.ac.uk (Simon Flood) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:16:12 +0100 Subject: Snow Leopard and Netware 6.5 In-Reply-To: <4AC5F529.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org> References: <4AA928CD.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org> <4AA9689B.6020208@oberlin.edu> <4AA96D81.201@oberlin.edu> <0B1A4DB5-C431-48F6-9233-D48E10C607F7@yahoo.com> <4AAA7CCA.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org><4AAA7CCA.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org> <4AAAFA6E.1030303@oberlin.edu> <4AC5F529.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org> Message-ID: <4AC6517C.6060503@cam.ac.uk> On 02/10/2009 17:42, Rick Zeman wrote: > I see that the FTFs for OES and Netware are out now. Ah the one mailing list I forgot to send a message to announcing these fixes. Anyway be aware that * apparently Apple have finally fixed this and it should be in 10.6.2 * installing the OES2 SP1 patch back-revs novell-afptcpd - latest through patch update channel is .43.0 whereas this patch is .34.1. Sigh. Novell is aware of this and are working on a patch against .43.0 to be released via channel. HTH, Simon From alandpearson at yahoo.com Fri Oct 2 22:01:59 2009 From: alandpearson at yahoo.com (Alan Pearson) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:01:59 +0100 Subject: Snow Leopard and Netware 6.5 In-Reply-To: <4AC6517C.6060503@cam.ac.uk> References: <4AA928CD.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org> <4AA9689B.6020208@oberlin.edu> <4AA96D81.201@oberlin.edu> <0B1A4DB5-C431-48F6-9233-D48E10C607F7@yahoo.com> <4AAA7CCA.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org><4AAA7CCA.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org> <4AAAFA6E.1030303@oberlin.edu> <4AC5F529.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org> <4AC6517C.6060503@cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: <9D510777-8481-416B-B244-226D559DF46B@yahoo.com> OK, works on my test server, but you're right, older version. Snow leopard installed & working ! AFP connects ok now. About time apple got their finger out, but when is 10.6.2 (considering 10.6.1 is only just out) --- AlanP On 2 Oct 2009, at 20:16, Simon Flood wrote: > On 02/10/2009 17:42, Rick Zeman wrote: > >> I see that the FTFs for OES and Netware are out now. > > Ah the one mailing list I forgot to send a message to announcing > these fixes. > > Anyway be aware that > > * apparently Apple have finally fixed this and it should be in 10.6.2 > > * installing the OES2 SP1 patch back-revs novell-afptcpd - latest > through patch update channel is .43.0 whereas this patch is .34.1. > Sigh. Novell is aware of this and are working on a patch against . > 43.0 to be released via channel. > > HTH, > Simon > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk Sun Oct 4 12:52:45 2009 From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (jrd) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 12:52:45 +0100 Subject: Hidden Gems tour, a clarification Message-ID: <4AC88C8D.5040900@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Thanks to all of you for your best wishes over the Hidden Gems event that I have helped put together for Novell. One question which seems to be apparent is 'what is the difference between the two days?' The first day will be for people from academic sites who either are or are thinking of being members of the TTP. Subjects discussed will be relevant to people working within the academic world. The non-academic event is as it says for people not working within the academic world where we will try to make the content more relevant to non academic customers of Novell. Both events will be technical in nature intended to help people get the most from what they have already. If you or any of your colleagues can join us at one of the events it would be good to see you. The descriptions of the Hidden Gems Tour can be found at the following links: Academic day - http://www.mindworksuk.com/asialetter-acad.html Non-Academic day - http://www.mindworksuk.com/asialetter-non-acad.html And a general pointer to them - http://netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ under the TTP section Please pass this information to anyone else you think might be interested. Thanks, Joe D. From smf34 at cam.ac.uk Sun Oct 4 18:55:01 2009 From: smf34 at cam.ac.uk (Simon Flood) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:55:01 +0100 Subject: Hidden Gems tour, a clarification In-Reply-To: <4AC88C8D.5040900@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> References: <4AC88C8D.5040900@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4AC8E175.5060304@cam.ac.uk> On 04/10/2009 12:52, jrd wrote: > Thanks to all of you for your best wishes over the Hidden Gems event > that I have helped put together for Novell. > > One question which seems to be apparent is 'what is the difference > between the two days?' > > The first day will be for people from academic sites who either are or > are thinking of being members of the TTP. Subjects discussed will be > relevant to people working within the academic world. The non-academic > event is as it says for people not working within the academic world > where we will try to make the content more relevant to non academic > customers of Novell. > > Both events will be technical in nature intended to help people get the > most from what they have already. > > If you or any of your colleagues can join us at one of the events it > would be good to see you. The descriptions of the Hidden Gems Tour can > be found at the following links: > > Academic day - http://www.mindworksuk.com/asialetter-acad.html > > Non-Academic day - http://www.mindworksuk.com/asialetter-non-acad.html For Academic and Non-Academic days in Cape Town & Johannesburg see http://www.mindworksuk.com/emea-mailer.html The UK Academic day is this Tuesday (6th October) followed by Non-Academic on Wednesday (7th October), both days at Novell UK in Bracknell. Registration via any of the above links. > And a general pointer to them - http://netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ under the > TTP section > > Please pass this information to anyone else you think might be interested. HTH, Simon From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk Sun Oct 4 19:03:33 2009 From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (jrd) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 19:03:33 +0100 Subject: Hidden Gems tour, a clarification In-Reply-To: <4AC8E175.5060304@cam.ac.uk> References: <4AC88C8D.5040900@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <4AC8E175.5060304@cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4AC8E375.6030803@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Simon Flood wrote: > On 04/10/2009 12:52, jrd wrote: > >> Thanks to all of you for your best wishes over the Hidden Gems event >> that I have helped put together for Novell. >> >> One question which seems to be apparent is 'what is the difference >> between the two days?' >> >> The first day will be for people from academic sites who either are or >> are thinking of being members of the TTP. Subjects discussed will be >> relevant to people working within the academic world. The non-academic >> event is as it says for people not working within the academic world >> where we will try to make the content more relevant to non academic >> customers of Novell. >> >> Both events will be technical in nature intended to help people get >> the most from what they have already. >> >> If you or any of your colleagues can join us at one of the events it >> would be good to see you. The descriptions of the Hidden Gems Tour can >> be found at the following links: >> >> Academic day - http://www.mindworksuk.com/asialetter-acad.html >> >> Non-Academic day - http://www.mindworksuk.com/asialetter-non-acad.html > > For Academic and Non-Academic days in Cape Town & Johannesburg see > http://www.mindworksuk.com/emea-mailer.html > > The UK Academic day is this Tuesday (6th October) followed by > Non-Academic on Wednesday (7th October), both days at Novell UK in > Bracknell. Registration via any of the above links. > >> And a general pointer to them - http://netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ under >> the TTP section >> >> Please pass this information to anyone else you think might be >> interested. > > HTH, > Simon ------------ Well spotted Simon, thanks. Too many things going on at once at my place to remember there are three links to maintain. The netlab1 URL above has pointers to EMEA and Asia, but not to the UK edition. Simon says... and thus he must be correct. Joe D. From jetadmin at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 14:20:43 2009 From: jetadmin at gmail.com (Eric Rothweiler) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:20:43 -0400 Subject: OT - radius to edir In-Reply-To: <68b791330908250841n53563ed6w5abf8f2971a80942@mail.gmail.com> References: <68b791330908250841n53563ed6w5abf8f2971a80942@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1d6cdac70910060620s5a89a3abh1c62bd1e021e3e76@mail.gmail.com> You might have already found an answer by now but just in case: Configuring FreeRADIUS on Open Enterprise Server for Linux http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tip/15922.html On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Peter Van Lone wrote: > Hello, > > I have a few questions regarding what services and/or products can > allow authentication for users via RADIUS to Novell Edirectory. > > I have done some looking and the solution I have come up with is Free > RADIUS to be used in combination with the iManager RADIUS plugin -- > but I am not at all sure that Free RADIUS is what works with iManager > and the RADIUS plugin -- is this the correct combination? Is this the > best/easiest way to do this? > > The goal is to authenticate wireless users using their Edirectory credentials. > > Anyone done this, and have suggestions or stories to tell about what > does or does not work? > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > "I like flaws and feel more comfortable around people who have them. I > myself am made entirely of flaws, stitched together with good > intentions." Augusten Burroughs > > http://www.the-brights.net > http://xkcd.com/167 > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell > From RGrein at tpchd.org Thu Oct 8 16:42:03 2009 From: RGrein at tpchd.org (Randy Grein) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 08:42:03 -0700 Subject: eDir 8.8 'accidentally' applied Message-ID: <4ACDA5DB020000720003D4B0@health-mail2.tpchd.org> I found out yesterday that my counterpart here had installed eDir 8.8 on a new linux server in preparation for a Groupwise -> Groupwise migration. The consultant had asked for eDir to be installed and relevant replicas installed on that server. Problem is that we're on eDir 8.73. Is it a problem to downgrade the Linux server, or do I need to upgrade the Netware boxes? Our manager is reluctant to upgrade netware as they are being retired in 2 months. Randy Grein Sr. Network Engineer (253)798-6443 ************************************************************************************* This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. It has been scanned for viruses. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination, use, review, disclosure, or distribution of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. ************************************************************************************** From RGrein at tpchd.org Thu Oct 8 16:50:06 2009 From: RGrein at tpchd.org (Randy Grein) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 08:50:06 -0700 Subject: eDir 8.8 'accidentally' applied In-Reply-To: <4ACDA5DB020000720003D4B0@health-mail2.tpchd.org> References: <4ACDA5DB020000720003D4B0@health-mail2.tpchd.org> Message-ID: <4ACDA7BE020000720003D4CA@health-mail2.tpchd.org> Nevermind. I discovered he had installed the Identity Manager server at 8.8 some time ago. Randy Grein Sr. Network Engineer (253)798-6443 >>> "Randy Grein" 10/8/2009 8:42 AM >>> I found out yesterday that my counterpart here had installed eDir 8.8 on a new linux server in preparation for a Groupwise -> Groupwise migration. The consultant had asked for eDir to be installed and relevant replicas installed on that server. Problem is that we're on eDir 8.73. Is it a problem to downgrade the Linux server, or do I need to upgrade the Netware boxes? Our manager is reluctant to upgrade netware as they are being retired in 2 months. Randy Grein Sr. Network Engineer (253)798-6443 ************************************************************************************* This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. It has been scanned for viruses. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination, use, review, disclosure, or distribution of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. ************************************************************************************** _______________________________________________ Novell mailing list Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell ************************************************************************************* This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. It has been scanned for viruses. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination, use, review, disclosure, or distribution of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. ************************************************************************************** From geoffreycarman at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 17:22:44 2009 From: geoffreycarman at gmail.com (Geoffrey Carman) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:22:44 -0400 Subject: eDir 8.8 'accidentally' applied In-Reply-To: <4ACDA7BE020000720003D4CA@health-mail2.tpchd.org> References: <4ACDA5DB020000720003D4B0@health-mail2.tpchd.org> <4ACDA7BE020000720003D4CA@health-mail2.tpchd.org> Message-ID: <993788ac0910080922qc5d0b7fvcf0026a910b8964a@mail.gmail.com> 8.8.x is basically fine. There are a number of bugs that are subtle and worth making sure you are at the latest FTF for the SP level. But 885 FTF1 is pretty good right now. Co-existing in the same tree is fine as well. Only issue is the 'something' that changed in 88 that broke older apps. I assume it is Dclient stuff that changed, and old products using Dclient break. You are not supposed to write to Dclient since it DOES change, and it did, and it broke... Thus you need updates to the product. I would be interested if anyone ever finds out more details of what exactly changed that broke Zen6 etc... On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Randy Grein wrote: > Nevermind. I discovered he had installed the Identity Manager server at 8.8 some time ago. > > Randy Grein > Sr. Network Engineer > (253)798-6443 > > >>>> "Randy Grein" 10/8/2009 8:42 AM >>> > I found out yesterday that my counterpart here had installed eDir 8.8 on a new linux server in preparation for a Groupwise -> Groupwise migration. The consultant had asked for eDir to be installed and relevant replicas installed on that server. Problem is that we're on eDir 8.73. Is it a problem to downgrade the Linux server, or do I need to upgrade the Netware boxes? Our manager is reluctant to upgrade netware as they are being retired in 2 months. > > > Randy Grein > Sr. Network Engineer > (253)798-6443 > > ************************************************************************************* > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. It has been scanned for viruses. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination, use, review, disclosure, or distribution of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. > ************************************************************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell > > ************************************************************************************* > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. It has been scanned for viruses. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination, use, review, disclosure, or distribution of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. > ************************************************************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell > -- Geoffrey Carman geoffreycarman at gmail.com From PHasenjager at kcumb.edu Fri Oct 9 19:41:09 2009 From: PHasenjager at kcumb.edu (Patrick Hasenjager) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:41:09 -0500 Subject: Password Changed... Or Not? Message-ID: <4ACF3D7502000005001AEC95@smtp.kcumb.edu> We require our students to change their passwords every 60 days. We implemented Universal Password about 6 months ago. Since then, we have had random times when student's would change their password but would then get locked out of their accounts. Doing some testing today, we reset a student's password and then had them change it through a workstation with Novell Client 4.91 SP5 (with NMAS enabled). They were prompted to change their password, which they did, but the password did not change. The network registered the change, by updating the pwdChangedTime attribute. When attempting to login again, they were still required to use the password we set. Has anyone else seen this happen? Our faculty and staff had this happen until we rolled out the 4.91 SP5 client with NMAS enabled (previously NMAS had been disabled). Since then, the problem has gone away with just a few exceptions. Patrick A. Hasenjager Network Administrator Kansas City University of Medicine and Biosciences phone 816.283.2478 fax 816.283.0692 email phasenjager at kcumb.edu From gbeckmeyer at acgih.org Fri Oct 9 19:50:27 2009 From: gbeckmeyer at acgih.org (Greg Beckmeyer) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:50:27 -0400 Subject: rsync local netware Message-ID: I'm playing around with rsync trying to get a server backup onto a removeable disk. I have rsync working in a test vm, but that is running as a daemon and as a client with the client connecting to the local IP address. Is it possible to get this working directly from disk to disk in Netware? I'm assuming it would go a bit faster if it could bypass the network connection. Greg Beckmeyer From geoffreycarman at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 20:12:27 2009 From: geoffreycarman at gmail.com (Geoffrey Carman) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:12:27 -0400 Subject: Password Changed... Or Not? In-Reply-To: <4ACF3D7502000005001AEC95@smtp.kcumb.edu> References: <4ACF3D7502000005001AEC95@smtp.kcumb.edu> Message-ID: <993788ac0910091212w47c5014dtb7dddf24dfd79e36@mail.gmail.com> Edit your password policy, to allow a specific Admin to retrieve passwords, and then use Jim Willekes UP tool: http://ldapwiki.willeke.com/Wiki.jsp?page=DumpEdirectoryPasswordInformationTool This will show you a LOT of info about passwords in one command, for users that can help. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Patrick Hasenjager wrote: > We require our students to change their passwords every 60 days. ?We implemented Universal Password about 6 months ago. ?Since then, we have had random times when student's would change their password but would then get locked out of their accounts. > > Doing some testing today, we reset a student's password and then had them change it through a workstation with Novell Client 4.91 SP5 (with NMAS enabled). ?They were prompted to change their password, which they did, but the password did not change. ?The network registered the change, by updating the pwdChangedTime attribute. ?When attempting to login again, they were still required to use the password we set. > > Has anyone else seen this happen? ?Our faculty and staff had this happen until we rolled out the 4.91 SP5 client with NMAS enabled (previously NMAS had been disabled). ?Since then, the problem has gone away with just a few exceptions. > > > Patrick A. Hasenjager > Network Administrator > Kansas City University of Medicine and Biosciences > > phone 816.283.2478 > fax 816.283.0692 > email phasenjager at kcumb.edu > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell > -- Geoffrey Carman geoffreycarman at gmail.com From geoffreycarman at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 20:12:27 2009 From: geoffreycarman at gmail.com (Geoffrey Carman) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:12:27 -0400 Subject: Password Changed... Or Not? In-Reply-To: <4ACF3D7502000005001AEC95@smtp.kcumb.edu> References: <4ACF3D7502000005001AEC95@smtp.kcumb.edu> Message-ID: <993788ac0910091212w47c5014dtb7dddf24dfd79e36@mail.gmail.com> Edit your password policy, to allow a specific Admin to retrieve passwords, and then use Jim Willekes UP tool: http://ldapwiki.willeke.com/Wiki.jsp?page=DumpEdirectoryPasswordInformationTool This will show you a LOT of info about passwords in one command, for users that can help. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Patrick Hasenjager wrote: > We require our students to change their passwords every 60 days. ?We implemented Universal Password about 6 months ago. ?Since then, we have had random times when student's would change their password but would then get locked out of their accounts. > > Doing some testing today, we reset a student's password and then had them change it through a workstation with Novell Client 4.91 SP5 (with NMAS enabled). ?They were prompted to change their password, which they did, but the password did not change. ?The network registered the change, by updating the pwdChangedTime attribute. ?When attempting to login again, they were still required to use the password we set. > > Has anyone else seen this happen? ?Our faculty and staff had this happen until we rolled out the 4.91 SP5 client with NMAS enabled (previously NMAS had been disabled). ?Since then, the problem has gone away with just a few exceptions. > > > Patrick A. Hasenjager > Network Administrator > Kansas City University of Medicine and Biosciences > > phone 816.283.2478 > fax 816.283.0692 > email phasenjager at kcumb.edu > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell > -- Geoffrey Carman geoffreycarman at gmail.com From PHasenjager at kcumb.edu Fri Oct 9 22:30:45 2009 From: PHasenjager at kcumb.edu (Patrick Hasenjager) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:30:45 -0500 Subject: Password Changed... Or Not? In-Reply-To: <993788ac0910091212w47c5014dtb7dddf24dfd79e36@mail.gmail.com> References: <4ACF3D7502000005001AEC95@smtp.kcumb.edu> <993788ac0910091212w47c5014dtb7dddf24dfd79e36@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ACF653502000005001AECAF@smtp.kcumb.edu> Done that. Still shows the old password. Everything else looks fine. >>> On 10/9/2009 at 2:12 PM, Geoffrey Carman wrote: Edit your password policy, to allow a specific Admin to retrieve passwords, and then use Jim Willekes UP tool: http://ldapwiki.willeke.com/Wiki.jsp?page=DumpEdirectoryPasswordInformationTool This will show you a LOT of info about passwords in one command, for users that can help. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Patrick Hasenjager wrote: > We require our students to change their passwords every 60 days. We implemented Universal Password about 6 months ago. Since then, we have had random times when student's would change their password but would then get locked out of their accounts. > > Doing some testing today, we reset a student's password and then had them change it through a workstation with Novell Client 4.91 SP5 (with NMAS enabled). They were prompted to change their password, which they did, but the password did not change. The network registered the change, by updating the pwdChangedTime attribute. When attempting to login again, they were still required to use the password we set. > > Has anyone else seen this happen? Our faculty and staff had this happen until we rolled out the 4.91 SP5 client with NMAS enabled (previously NMAS had been disabled). Since then, the problem has gone away with just a few exceptions. > > > Patrick A. Hasenjager > Network Administrator > Kansas City University of Medicine and Biosciences > > phone 816.283.2478 > fax 816.283.0692 > email phasenjager at kcumb.edu > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell > -- Geoffrey Carman geoffreycarman at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Novell mailing list Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell From joea at j4computers.com Sat Oct 10 03:16:28 2009 From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 22:16:28 -0400 Subject: rsync local netware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ACFB63C02000085000605E4@FS-LIN-OES> >>> On 10/9/2009 at 2:50 PM, "Greg Beckmeyer" wrote: > I'm playing around with rsync trying to get a server backup onto a removeable > disk. I have rsync working in a test vm, but that is running as a daemon and > as a client with the client connecting to the local IP address. Is it > possible to get this working directly from disk to disk in Netware? I'm > assuming it would go a bit faster if it could bypass the network connection. > > Greg Beckmeyer AFAIK, RSYNC is designed for IP only. If you want disk to disk, NCOPY might suit you. joe a. From hooeld at bay.k12.fl.us Sat Oct 10 02:25:20 2009 From: hooeld at bay.k12.fl.us (Leslie Hooe) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:25:20 -0500 Subject: rsync local netware In-Reply-To: <4ACFB63C02000085000605E4@FS-LIN-OES> References: <4ACFB63C02000085000605E4@FS-LIN-OES> Message-ID: <4ACF9C300200000100230964@BNGW.bay.k12.fl.us> I also like SyncBack Leslie Hooe Project Manager, Network Services Bay District Schools (850) 747-5295 >>> "joea at j4computers.com" 10/9/2009 9:16 PM >>> >>> On 10/9/2009 at 2:50 PM, "Greg Beckmeyer" wrote: > I'm playing around with rsync trying to get a server backup onto a removeable > disk. I have rsync working in a test vm, but that is running as a daemon and > as a client with the client connecting to the local IP address. Is it > possible to get this working directly from disk to disk in Netware? I'm > assuming it would go a bit faster if it could bypass the network connection. > > Greg Beckmeyer AFAIK, RSYNC is designed for IP only. If you want disk to disk, NCOPY might suit you. joe a. _______________________________________________ Novell mailing list Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public-records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing. From joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk Sat Oct 10 09:10:28 2009 From: joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe Doupnik) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:10:28 +0100 Subject: rsync local netware In-Reply-To: <4ACFB63C02000085000605E4@FS-LIN-OES> References: <4ACFB63C02000085000605E4@FS-LIN-OES> Message-ID: <4AD04174.3020902@oucs.ox.ac.uk> joea at j4computers.com wrote: >>>> On 10/9/2009 at 2:50 PM, "Greg Beckmeyer" wrote: >>>> >> I'm playing around with rsync trying to get a server backup onto a removeable >> disk. I have rsync working in a test vm, but that is running as a daemon and >> as a client with the client connecting to the local IP address. Is it >> possible to get this working directly from disk to disk in Netware? I'm >> assuming it would go a bit faster if it could bypass the network connection. >> >> Greg Beckmeyer >> > > AFAIK, RSYNC is designed for IP only. If you want disk to disk, NCOPY might suit you. > > joe a. > ------------ Rsync will do local to local. It's all in the syntax of the source and destination fields. Joe D. From cimetmc at myrealbox.com Sun Oct 11 13:49:36 2009 From: cimetmc at myrealbox.com (Marcel Cox) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:49:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Nominations for the Novell Knowledge Partner Program Message-ID: I don't know if this information has been posted already, but until the end of October, Novell is taking nominations for the Knowledge Partner Program. I'm sure that on this mailing list, you may consider that some people might deserve being nominated because of the efforts of sharing their knowledge and helping people. So don't hisitate and visit the following web page for details and to submit any nominations you want to make: http://support.novell.com/community/nkp.html Marcel From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk Sun Oct 11 16:31:07 2009 From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (jrd) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:31:07 +0100 Subject: Hidden Gems Tour, an update Message-ID: <4AD1FA3B.6060505@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> An update on the Hidden Gems Tour of South Africa and Asia -- Due to increased sponsorship there will no longer be any fee to attend one of the events - good news for everyone. Hopefully this will enable many of you to attend. To book your place see the links on http://www.mindworksuk.com/ttp-other-courses.html Descriptions of the tour are also readily available on http://netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ under the heading Hidden Gems Tour. Joe D. From gbeckmeyer at acgih.org Mon Oct 12 14:10:19 2009 From: gbeckmeyer at acgih.org (Greg Beckmeyer) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:10:19 -0400 Subject: rsync local netware Message-ID: I've seen some tips for linux based rsync to do local-local, and at least based on the command it looks like it goes direct from disk to disk. Tried the same command on Netware and it didn't work. I did get it to work on Netware, but that was using one command running as a daemon listening on a port, and the 'client' command connecting via that port. Haven't had a chance to play around with it, if I can figure it out I'll post back here but if anyone else has done it a little advice would be much appreciated. Again, I just want to rsync one entire volume over to a separate volume on a eSata drive (on the same server) for backup purposes. Thanks, Greg Beckmeyer >>> joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk 10/10/2009 4:10 AM >>> joea at j4computers.com wrote: >>>> On 10/9/2009 at 2:50 PM, "Greg Beckmeyer" wrote: >>>> >> I'm playing around with rsync trying to get a server backup onto a removeable >> disk. I have rsync working in a test vm, but that is running as a daemon and >> as a client with the client connecting to the local IP address. Is it >> possible to get this working directly from disk to disk in Netware? I'm >> assuming it would go a bit faster if it could bypass the network connection. >> >> Greg Beckmeyer >> > > AFAIK, RSYNC is designed for IP only. If you want disk to disk, NCOPY might suit you. > > joe a. > ------------ Rsync will do local to local. It's all in the syntax of the source and destination fields. Joe D. _______________________________________________ Novell mailing list Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell From RGrein at tpchd.org Mon Oct 12 15:51:27 2009 From: RGrein at tpchd.org (Randy Grein) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:51:27 -0700 Subject: Hidden Gems Tour, an update In-Reply-To: <4AD1FA3B.6060505@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> References: <4AD1FA3B.6060505@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4AD2DFFF020000720003D86F@health-mail2.tpchd.org> This tour makes me wish I were overseas instead of in the USA... Randy Grein Sr. Network Engineer (253)798-6443 >>> jrd 10/11/2009 8:31 AM >>> An update on the Hidden Gems Tour of South Africa and Asia -- Due to increased sponsorship there will no longer be any fee to attend one of the events - good news for everyone. Hopefully this will enable many of you to attend. To book your place see the links on http://www.mindworksuk.com/ttp-other-courses.html Descriptions of the tour are also readily available on http://netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ under the heading Hidden Gems Tour. Joe D. _______________________________________________ Novell mailing list Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell ************************************************************************************* This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. It has been scanned for viruses. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination, use, review, disclosure, or distribution of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. ************************************************************************************** From tom.anstey at imm.ox.ac.uk Mon Oct 12 16:03:09 2009 From: tom.anstey at imm.ox.ac.uk (Tom Anstey) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:03:09 +0100 Subject: Hidden Gems Tour, an update In-Reply-To: <4AD2DFFF020000720003D86F@health-mail2.tpchd.org> References: <4AD1FA3B.6060505@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>, <4AD2DFFF020000720003D86F@health-mail2.tpchd.org> Message-ID: <4AD3452D.22313.8245B489@tom.anstey.imm.ox.ac.uk> > This tour makes me wish I were overseas instead of in the USA... > > Randy Grein > Sr. Network Engineer > (253)798-6443 > > > >>> jrd 10/11/2009 8:31 AM >>> > An update on the Hidden Gems Tour of South Africa and Asia -- > Due to increased sponsorship there will no longer be any fee to attend > one of the events - good news for everyone. Hopefully this will enable > many of you to attend. > > To book your place see the links on > http://www.mindworksuk.com/ttp-other-courses.html Descriptions of the > tour are also readily available on http://netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ under > the heading Hidden Gems Tour. > > Joe D. > My suggestion is to canvass support amongst your peers and ask Joe D. or Peter Atkins at Mindworks to come over and do it! I've already tried to find space in JoeD's suitcase, but alas, I'm too heavy to be hand luggage. You'll need to get a number of you prepared to attend, but if there's a demand..... Tom Tom Anstey Computer Manager Weatherall Institute of Molecular Medicine University of Oxford Oxford OX3 9DS United Kingdom From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk Mon Oct 12 16:19:23 2009 From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (jrd) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:19:23 +0100 Subject: Hidden Gems Tour, an update In-Reply-To: <4AD3452D.22313.8245B489@tom.anstey.imm.ox.ac.uk> References: <4AD1FA3B.6060505@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>, <4AD2DFFF020000720003D86F@health-mail2.tpchd.org> <4AD3452D.22313.8245B489@tom.anstey.imm.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4AD348FB.2040505@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Tom Anstey wrote: >> This tour makes me wish I were overseas instead of in the USA... >> >> Randy Grein >> Sr. Network Engineer >> (253)798-6443 >> >> >>>>> jrd 10/11/2009 8:31 AM >>> >> An update on the Hidden Gems Tour of South Africa and Asia -- >> Due to increased sponsorship there will no longer be any fee to attend >> one of the events - good news for everyone. Hopefully this will enable >> many of you to attend. >> >> To book your place see the links on >> http://www.mindworksuk.com/ttp-other-courses.html Descriptions of the >> tour are also readily available on http://netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ under >> the heading Hidden Gems Tour. >> >> Joe D. >> > My suggestion is to canvass support amongst your peers and ask Joe D. > or Peter Atkins at Mindworks to come over and do it! I've already > tried to find space in JoeD's suitcase, but alas, I'm too heavy to be > hand luggage. > > You'll need to get a number of you prepared to attend, but if there's > a demand..... > > Tom > > Tom Anstey > Computer Manager > Weatherall Institute of Molecular Medicine > University of Oxford > Oxford OX3 9DS > United Kingdom > -------------- Tom has this right, gather sufficient forces and make an offer we cannot easily refuse, considering the cost of traveling from the UK. But said arrangements must be after the first of the year because the Hidden Gems tour finishes just prior to the Christmas holiday. We (mindworksuk) do offer more courses/meetings than just this one tour, so let us know what you would want. It could be one of the subjects which Tom does well, and there he would be on your doorstep, tea mug in hand. Another plan is arrange to attend the TTP EMEA meeting. The data and locale are being worked on now. Right, that is for TTP members only. There will be Brainshare/Europe this coming year and travelers might give careful thought to attending that. Sorry about the suitcase part Tom. It is thoughtless of me to have only a small bag or two, those are woefully inadequate as habitation on long flights. Next time you can do the long grind. Joe D. From RGrein at tpchd.org Mon Oct 12 16:30:31 2009 From: RGrein at tpchd.org (Randy Grein) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:30:31 -0700 Subject: Hidden Gems Tour, an update In-Reply-To: <4AD3452D.22313.8245B489@tom.anstey.imm.ox.ac.uk> References: <4AD1FA3B.6060505@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>, <4AD2DFFF020000720003D86F@health-mail2.tpchd.org> <4AD3452D.22313.8245B489@tom.anstey.imm.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4AD2E927020000720003D94A@health-mail2.tpchd.org> Sadly that's not going to happen here in Microsoft's back yard, we've tried. The numbers just don't make sense, which is a sad statement on the state of Novell market share here. Funny thing is we get little in the way of outside trainers/education/etc. Either Seattle is a smaller market than I think or we have smaller companies that don't pay for technical training. Randy Grein Sr. Network Engineer (253)798-6443 >>> "Tom Anstey" 10/12/2009 8:03 AM >>> > This tour makes me wish I were overseas instead of in the USA... > > Randy Grein > Sr. Network Engineer > (253)798-6443 > > > >>> jrd 10/11/2009 8:31 AM >>> > An update on the Hidden Gems Tour of South Africa and Asia -- > Due to increased sponsorship there will no longer be any fee to attend > one of the events - good news for everyone. Hopefully this will enable > many of you to attend. > > To book your place see the links on > http://www.mindworksuk.com/ttp-other-courses.html Descriptions of the > tour are also readily available on http://netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ under > the heading Hidden Gems Tour. > > Joe D. > My suggestion is to canvass support amongst your peers and ask Joe D. or Peter Atkins at Mindworks to come over and do it! I've already tried to find space in JoeD's suitcase, but alas, I'm too heavy to be hand luggage. You'll need to get a number of you prepared to attend, but if there's a demand..... Tom Tom Anstey Computer Manager Weatherall Institute of Molecular Medicine University of Oxford Oxford OX3 9DS United Kingdom _______________________________________________ Novell mailing list Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell ************************************************************************************* This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. It has been scanned for viruses. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination, use, review, disclosure, or distribution of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. ************************************************************************************** From PHasenjager at kcumb.edu Mon Oct 12 20:34:28 2009 From: PHasenjager at kcumb.edu (Patrick Hasenjager) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:34:28 -0500 Subject: Password Changed... Or Not? In-Reply-To: <4ACF653502000005001AECAF@smtp.kcumb.edu> References: <4ACF3D7502000005001AEC95@smtp.kcumb.edu> <993788ac0910091212w47c5014dtb7dddf24dfd79e36@mail.gmail.com> <4ACF653502000005001AECAF@smtp.kcumb.edu> Message-ID: <4AD33E7402000005001AED71@smtp.kcumb.edu> We figured out what the problem was. These computers did not have NMAS installed on them (we thought they did), while the faculty/staff computers did. After installing NMAS, all is working correctly again. Patrick A. Hasenjager Network Administrator Kansas City University of Medicine and Biosciences phone 816.283.2478 fax 816.283.0692 email phasenjager at kcumb.edu >>> On 10/9/2009 at 4:30 PM, "Patrick Hasenjager" wrote: Done that. Still shows the old password. Everything else looks fine. >>> On 10/9/2009 at 2:12 PM, Geoffrey Carman wrote: Edit your password policy, to allow a specific Admin to retrieve passwords, and then use Jim Willekes UP tool: http://ldapwiki.willeke.com/Wiki.jsp?page=DumpEdirectoryPasswordInformationTool This will show you a LOT of info about passwords in one command, for users that can help. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Patrick Hasenjager wrote: > We require our students to change their passwords every 60 days. We implemented Universal Password about 6 months ago. Since then, we have had random times when student's would change their password but would then get locked out of their accounts. > > Doing some testing today, we reset a student's password and then had them change it through a workstation with Novell Client 4.91 SP5 (with NMAS enabled). They were prompted to change their password, which they did, but the password did not change. The network registered the change, by updating the pwdChangedTime attribute. When attempting to login again, they were still required to use the password we set. > > Has anyone else seen this happen? Our faculty and staff had this happen until we rolled out the 4.91 SP5 client with NMAS enabled (previously NMAS had been disabled). Since then, the problem has gone away with just a few exceptions. > > > Patrick A. Hasenjager > Network Administrator > Kansas City University of Medicine and Biosciences > > phone 816.283.2478 > fax 816.283.0692 > email phasenjager at kcumb.edu > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell > -- Geoffrey Carman geoffreycarman at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Novell mailing list Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell _______________________________________________ Novell mailing list Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell From MollardM at mbc.qld.edu.au Mon Oct 12 23:34:59 2009 From: MollardM at mbc.qld.edu.au (Michael Mollard) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:34:59 +1000 Subject: Migrating iPrint Message-ID: <4AD43BB3020000180001183A@gw.mbc.qld.edu.au> Hi, We currently run iPrint on NW6.5SP7. The OLD hardware is beginning to flake out. I need to move the box to new virtualised (XEN) NW65SP8 server. (We can't go to OES/Linux yet, other software compatibility issues). I have looked at the Server Migration tool. But I don't really want to copy anything except iPrint across (clean slate in the new server). Can anyone tell me if this approach might work? - install latest iPrint NLMS onto NEW server - Unload BROKER and NDPSM from OLD - Copy \\OLD\VOL1\NDPS folder to \\NEW\VOL1\NDPS - Load BROKER and NDPSM on new server (using same eDir objects) (I'm led to believe this might prompt to migrate the eDir objects across to the NEW server during the initial load, but not sure till I try it.) - Change DNS from OLD-> NEW so existing installed printers continue to work (we use DNS already for printers) This would seem to me to be much easier than migrating servers using the tools. Would really appreciate your thoughts. Thanks. Michael Mollard Network Administrator Moreton Bay College mollardm at mbc.qld.edu.au http://www.mbc.qld.edu.au Ph: (Direct) 07 3907 5712 / (Mob) 0417 631 801 Fax: 07 3390 8919 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Disclaimer: Whilst every attempt has been made to ensure that material contained in this email is free from computer viruses or other defects, the attached files are provided, and may only be used, on the basis that the user assumes all responsibility for use of the material transmitted. This email is intended only for the use of the individual or entity names above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please note that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return email or telephone 07 3390 8555 and destroy the original message. The contents of this message are provided without responsibility in law for their accuracy or otherwise, and without assumption of a duty of care by the School. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From randygrein at comcast.net Tue Oct 13 06:00:23 2009 From: randygrein at comcast.net (Randy Grein) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:00:23 -0700 Subject: Migrating iPrint In-Reply-To: <4AD43BB3020000180001183A@gw.mbc.qld.edu.au> References: <4AD43BB3020000180001183A@gw.mbc.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <7AB540EB-2236-4B62-9017-0A97D22C0838@comcast.net> IIRC you don't need step 3 - load the original named NDPSM and the necessary drivers should migrate over. Not as certain about the broker, but it might work. Worst case you'll have to unload them and copy the NDPS folders. Changing the IP address is an interesting idea, never thought of that. Make sure you change the services addresses with NRM after changing or adding the address on the server. Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA On Oct 12, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Michael Mollard wrote: > Hi, > We currently run iPrint on NW6.5SP7. The OLD hardware is beginning > to flake out. I need to move the box to new virtualised (XEN) > NW65SP8 server. (We can't go to OES/Linux yet, other software > compatibility issues). > > I have looked at the Server Migration tool. But I don't really want > to copy anything except iPrint across (clean slate in the new server). > > Can anyone tell me if this approach might work? > > - install latest iPrint NLMS onto NEW server > - Unload BROKER and NDPSM from OLD > - Copy \\OLD\VOL1\NDPS folder to \\NEW\VOL1\NDPS > - Load BROKER and NDPSM on new server (using same eDir objects) > > (I'm led to believe this might prompt to migrate the eDir objects > across to the NEW server during the initial load, but not sure till > I try it.) > > - Change DNS from OLD-> NEW so existing installed printers continue > to work (we use DNS already for printers) > > This would seem to me to be much easier than migrating servers using > the tools. > > Would really appreciate your thoughts. > > Thanks. > > > > > > > Michael Mollard > Network Administrator > Moreton Bay College > mollardm at mbc.qld.edu.au > http://www.mbc.qld.edu.au > Ph: (Direct) 07 3907 5712 / (Mob) 0417 631 801 > Fax: 07 3390 8919 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Disclaimer: Whilst every attempt has been made to ensure that > material contained in this email is free from computer viruses or > other defects, the attached files are provided, and may only be > used, on the basis that the user assumes all responsibility for use > of the material transmitted. This email is intended only for the use > of the individual or entity names above and may contain information > that is confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended > recipient, please note that any dissemination, distribution or > copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received > this email in error, please notify us immediately by return email or > telephone 07 3390 8555 and destroy the original message. The > contents of this message are provided without responsibility in law > for their accuracy or otherwise, and without assumption of a duty of > care by the School. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell From MGlenn at cco.state.oh.us Thu Oct 22 19:27:04 2009 From: MGlenn at cco.state.oh.us (Michael Glenn) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:27:04 -0400 Subject: Something is eating root! In-Reply-To: <7AB540EB-2236-4B62-9017-0A97D22C0838@comcast.net> References: <4AD43BB3020000180001183A@gw.mbc.qld.edu.au> <7AB540EB-2236-4B62-9017-0A97D22C0838@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4AE06BB8.33FD.002C.1@cco.state.oh.us> Hello; it's me again. I have a bit of a puzzle here. Over the past five months or so, the amount of space consumed on the root partition on one of my OES2 servers has risen from 41% to 75%, and I am at a loss as to what is doing it. Any ideas as to how I could go about tracking it down? Thanks. From petervl at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 19:58:22 2009 From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:58:22 -0500 Subject: WEIRD "disappearing files" issue (OT for NGW list) Message-ID: <68b791330910221158k44975edbh2e174049264dac15@mail.gmail.com> So a small customer, running NW65 sp7 virtualized. They have a folder and/or a set of files, that is doing really really weird stuff, and I am at a loss as to how to trouble-shoot it any further. Here's the story: J;\logos\Gift Cert When some the administrator looks at this folder from one of his workstations, he sees 15 files in it. When he looks at it from another machine (logged in as the same user) he sees 22 files. If he copies the folder (from the machine where he can see all the files) to a thumb drive, then he can see all the files on the other computer. If, though, from the other computer he them re-copies the files to either the same or a new network folder -- only 15 files again!!!!! HUH? It gets weirder -- this is happening for SOME of his users. Some users cannot see all the files, some can. And it is specific to the machine (ie another user logs in, same thing, either can or can't). Weirder still: from his machine where he can see the files, if he looks with console one, he can see the files -- but if he looks with netware administrator -- only 15 files!!!!!!! HUH?!?!?!?!?!? All machines have the 4.91 client -- some are 4.91.1 and some are 4.91.3 He is going to try to install the newest client that still has NDPS with it (4.91.5 apparently does not) to see if that fixes any of the "can't see the files" machines. Any other suggestions/ideas how to t-shoot this, in case that does not work? From joe.acquisto at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 20:07:35 2009 From: joe.acquisto at gmail.com (joe Acquisto) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:07:35 -0400 Subject: Something is eating root! In-Reply-To: <4AE06BB8.33FD.002C.1@cco.state.oh.us> References: <4AD43BB3020000180001183A@gw.mbc.qld.edu.au> <7AB540EB-2236-4B62-9017-0A97D22C0838@comcast.net> <4AE06BB8.33FD.002C.1@cco.state.oh.us> Message-ID: <5e7da10a0910221207r774ac0fbg4746a5a5c1fb0123@mail.gmail.com> "cd /root" "ls -lt | more" examine joe a. On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Michael Glenn wrote: > Hello; it's me again. > > I have a bit of a puzzle here. Over the past five months or so, the amount > of space consumed on the root partition on one of my OES2 servers has risen > from 41% to 75%, and I am at a loss as to what is doing it. > > Any ideas as to how I could go about tracking it down? > > Thanks. > > > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell > From alandpearson at yahoo.com Thu Oct 22 21:05:52 2009 From: alandpearson at yahoo.com (Alan Pearson) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:05:52 +0100 Subject: Something is eating root! In-Reply-To: <5e7da10a0910221207r774ac0fbg4746a5a5c1fb0123@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AD43BB3020000180001183A@gw.mbc.qld.edu.au> <7AB540EB-2236-4B62-9017-0A97D22C0838@comcast.net> <4AE06BB8.33FD.002C.1@cco.state.oh.us> <5e7da10a0910221207r774ac0fbg4746a5a5c1fb0123@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Not really the best advice there Joe, he said his root partition, not / root ! du is your friend. cd / du -sxh * This will list the sizes of each directory and then you can drill down into each and see what's eating the space. My money is on /var/log...... AlanP --- AlanP On 22 Oct 2009, at 20:07, joe Acquisto wrote: > "cd /root" > > "ls -lt | more" > > examine > > joe a. > > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Michael Glenn > wrote: > >> Hello; it's me again. >> >> I have a bit of a puzzle here. Over the past five months or so, the >> amount >> of space consumed on the root partition on one of my OES2 servers >> has risen >> from 41% to 75%, and I am at a loss as to what is doing it. >> >> Any ideas as to how I could go about tracking it down? >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Novell mailing list >> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk >> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell >> > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell From mmeens at mesastate.edu Thu Oct 22 21:42:19 2009 From: mmeens at mesastate.edu (Michael Meens) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:42:19 -0600 Subject: Something is eating root! In-Reply-To: References: <4AD43BB3020000180001183A@gw.mbc.qld.edu.au> <7AB540EB-2236-4B62-9017-0A97D22C0838@comcast.net> <4AE06BB8.33FD.002C.1@cco.state.oh.us> <5e7da10a0910221207r774ac0fbg4746a5a5c1fb0123@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE06F4B.3CF9.008D.0@mesastate.edu> I agree that you should do the du, although I like to sort it: cd /; du -sx * | sort -n This will show you the biggest folders at the bottom of the list. Mike Meens >>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:05 PM, in message , Alan Pearson wrote: Not really the best advice there Joe, he said his root partition, not / root ! du is your friend. cd / du -sxh * This will list the sizes of each directory and then you can drill down into each and see what's eating the space. My money is on /var/log...... AlanP --- AlanP On 22 Oct 2009, at 20:07, joe Acquisto wrote: > "cd /root" > > "ls -lt | more" > > examine > > joe a. > > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Michael Glenn > wrote: > >> Hello; it's me again. >> >> I have a bit of a puzzle here. Over the past five months or so, the >> amount >> of space consumed on the root partition on one of my OES2 servers >> has risen >> from 41% to 75%, and I am at a loss as to what is doing it. >> >> Any ideas as to how I could go about tracking it down? >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Novell mailing list >> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk >> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell >> > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell _______________________________________________ Novell mailing list Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell From smf34 at cam.ac.uk Thu Oct 22 23:08:54 2009 From: smf34 at cam.ac.uk (Simon Flood) Date: 22 Oct 2009 23:08:54 +0100 Subject: WEIRD "disappearing files" issue (OT for NGW list) In-Reply-To: <68b791330910221158k44975edbh2e174049264dac15@mail.gmail.com> References: <68b791330910221158k44975edbh2e174049264dac15@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Oct 22 2009, Peter Van Lone wrote: >When some the administrator looks at this folder from one of his >workstations, he sees 15 files in it. When he looks at it from another >machine (logged in as the same user) he sees 22 files. Let's say that the complete 22 files are named file01 through file22. On the machine where you see 15 files are you seeing file01-file15 or a selection of 15 files from file01-file22? If the former then I'd check the characters used for the filename of whatever is file16 as this would indicate a Unicode problem. HTH, Simon From petervl at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 03:10:08 2009 From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:10:08 -0500 Subject: WEIRD "disappearing files" issue (OT for NGW list) In-Reply-To: References: <68b791330910221158k44975edbh2e174049264dac15@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <68b791330910221910y4794734ch5b4580a11754cebc@mail.gmail.com> Wow -- I've never heard of this unicode problem -- and my guess is that was it. I just got an email from the admin, who says that installing the 4.91.3 client on the affected machines (apparently all 4.91.1) has fixed it. So, was there a unicode handling change between these versions of the client? Apparently, huh? I'll check out the TIDs and what-not to try to understand the background, but in the meantime, thank you! (oh, Simon -- it was always the first 15 files in the list, alphabetically, that showed up) Wow -- this was a wierd and new one on me! Peter On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Simon Flood wrote: > On Oct 22 2009, Peter Van Lone wrote: > >> When some the administrator looks at this folder from one of his >> workstations, he sees 15 files in it. When he looks at it from another >> machine (logged in as the same user) he sees 22 files. > > Let's say that the complete 22 files are named file01 through file22. > > On the machine where you see 15 files are you seeing file01-file15 or a > selection of 15 files from file01-file22? > > If the former then I'd check the characters used for the filename of > whatever is file16 as this would indicate a Unicode problem. > > HTH, > Simon > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell > From dtran at ssc.ucla.edu Fri Oct 23 07:03:33 2009 From: dtran at ssc.ucla.edu (Daniel Tran) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:03:33 -0700 Subject: WEIRD "disappearing files" issue (OT for NGW list) In-Reply-To: <68b791330910221910y4794734ch5b4580a11754cebc@mail.gmail.com> References: <68b791330910221158k44975edbh2e174049264dac15@mail.gmail.com> <68b791330910221910y4794734ch5b4580a11754cebc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: A long time ago, on netware 6, I ran into a strange problem as well. Directories/Files randomly disappeared. Filer utility can see it but you can't change it/touch it. Nwadmin does not see it ConsoleOne does not see it NRM can see it Workstation cannot see it. But the data is there. After opening a case with Novell, a senior engineer from Provo sent me an NLM to run on the server which basically fixed the issue. -----Original Message----- From: novell-bounces at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk [mailto:novell-bounces at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Peter Van Lone Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:10 PM To: Novell LAN Interest Group; Ngw Subject: Re: WEIRD "disappearing files" issue (OT for NGW list) Wow -- I've never heard of this unicode problem -- and my guess is that was it. I just got an email from the admin, who says that installing the 4.91.3 client on the affected machines (apparently all 4.91.1) has fixed it. So, was there a unicode handling change between these versions of the client? Apparently, huh? I'll check out the TIDs and what-not to try to understand the background, but in the meantime, thank you! (oh, Simon -- it was always the first 15 files in the list, alphabetically, that showed up) Wow -- this was a wierd and new one on me! Peter On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Simon Flood wrote: > On Oct 22 2009, Peter Van Lone wrote: > >> When some the administrator looks at this folder from one of his >> workstations, he sees 15 files in it. When he looks at it from another >> machine (logged in as the same user) he sees 22 files. > > Let's say that the complete 22 files are named file01 through file22. > > On the machine where you see 15 files are you seeing file01-file15 or a > selection of 15 files from file01-file22? > > If the former then I'd check the characters used for the filename of > whatever is file16 as this would indicate a Unicode problem. > > HTH, > Simon > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell > _______________________________________________ Novell mailing list Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell From smf34 at cam.ac.uk Fri Oct 23 11:36:11 2009 From: smf34 at cam.ac.uk (Simon Flood) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:36:11 +0100 Subject: WEIRD "disappearing files" issue (OT for NGW list) In-Reply-To: <68b791330910221910y4794734ch5b4580a11754cebc@mail.gmail.com> References: <68b791330910221158k44975edbh2e174049264dac15@mail.gmail.com> <68b791330910221910y4794734ch5b4580a11754cebc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE1871B.4080401@cam.ac.uk> On 23/10/2009 03:10, Peter Van Lone wrote: > Wow -- I've never heard of this unicode problem -- and my guess is that was it. > > I just got an email from the admin, who says that installing the > 4.91.3 client on the affected machines (apparently all 4.91.1) has > fixed it. > > So, was there a unicode handling change between these versions of the > client? Apparently, huh? > > I'll check out the TIDs and what-not to try to understand the > background, but in the meantime, thank you! > > (oh, Simon -- it was always the first 15 files in the list, > alphabetically, that showed up) > > Wow -- this was a wierd and new one on me! I recall having "an interesting discussion" with someone at Novell about client updates quite a few years ago. At the time there was a separate UTF-8 support patch for Client 4.90 SP2 which contained files that clashed with other client patches released at the same time. This caused confusion as to how to get latest client code (at that time) with UTF-8 support enabled. Novell have obviously now moved this forward into later clients plus some things have been done in subsequent NetWare 6.5 SPs. Simon From MGlenn at cco.state.oh.us Fri Oct 23 13:46:02 2009 From: MGlenn at cco.state.oh.us (Michael Glenn) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:46:02 -0400 Subject: Something is eating root! In-Reply-To: References: <4AD43BB3020000180001183A@gw.mbc.qld.edu.au> <7AB540EB-2236-4B62-9017-0A97D22C0838@comcast.net> <4AE06BB8.33FD.002C.1@cco.state.oh.us> <5e7da10a0910221207r774ac0fbg4746a5a5c1fb0123@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE16D4A.33FD.002C.1@cco.state.oh.us> Yup; that filled the bill. Someone was making a backup copy of the iManager directory tree before each upgrade, and then not deleting the backups. :\ Thanks. >>> Alan Pearson 10/22/2009 16:05 >>> Not really the best advice there Joe, he said his root partition, not / root ! du is your friend. cd / du -sxh * This will list the sizes of each directory and then you can drill down into each and see what's eating the space. My money is on /var/log...... AlanP --- AlanP On 22 Oct 2009, at 20:07, joe Acquisto wrote: > "cd /root" > > "ls -lt | more" > > examine > > joe a. > > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Michael Glenn > wrote: > >> Hello; it's me again. >> >> I have a bit of a puzzle here. Over the past five months or so, the >> amount >> of space consumed on the root partition on one of my OES2 servers >> has risen >> from 41% to 75%, and I am at a loss as to what is doing it. >> >> Any ideas as to how I could go about tracking it down? >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Novell mailing list >> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk >> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell >> > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell _______________________________________________ Novell mailing list Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell From zzz at minneapolis.edu Fri Oct 23 22:27:02 2009 From: zzz at minneapolis.edu (zzz) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:27:02 -0500 Subject: Legacy NW 6.0 SP edir 8.6.2 abend Message-ID: Greetings - legacy question. (FYI, we start our first OES installs next week). This box is generally pretty stable and no changes have been made. We have to reboot it every couple of months, but it has always come back up. This box locked hard last night and I had to power cycle. Each boot, it abends, but continues to work. The abend shows on boot, but not in the in the HP INTEGRATED LOG viewer, so it is happening earlier in the boot process. I just need a couple months more service from it until it is retired. I have done some googles, but they are all over the place. Some of you are pretty sharp with abends, and have helped me in the past. A clip is below, but I have attached the two full abends from last night. As always, thanks for your help. Dana ********************************************************** Server EARTH halted Thursday, October 22, 2009 9:29:12.069 pm Abend 1 on P00: Server-5.60.05: Page Fault Processor Exception (Error code 00000000) Registers: CS = 0008 DS = 0010 ES = 0010 FS = 0010 GS = 0010 SS = 0010 EAX = 00000010 EBX = 00000010 ECX = 00000000 EDX = 00000000 ESI = 00000000 EDI = 8C28FCC0 EBP = 8C2A12D0 ESP = 8C2A1288 EIP = 0025B3F3 FLAGS = 00210202 0025B3F3 8B5104 MOV EDX,[ECX+04]=? EIP in SERVER.NLM at code start +00059FB3h Access Location: 0x00000004 The violation occurred while processing the following instruction: 0025B3F3 8B5104 MOV EDX,[ECX+04] 0025B3F6 8B3D38A64200 MOV EDI,[SERVER.NLM|OSAddressSpace]=SERVER.NLM|OSAS 0025B3FC 8BB2FC000000 MOV ESI,[EDX+000000FC] 0025B402 8B92C4020000 MOV EDX,[EDX+000002C4] 0025B408 8D5E04 LEA EBX,[ESI+04] 0025B40B 39FA CMP EDX,EDI 0025B40D 0F853C020000 JNZ 0025B64F 0025B413 8D7807 LEA EDI,[EAX+07] 0025B416 8D5027 LEA EDX,[EAX+27] 0025B419 80E2E0 AND DL,E0 Running process: SalTHRD Process Thread Owned by NLM: STATUSLG.NLM Stack pointer: 8C2A1144 OS Stack limit: 8C299400 Scheduling priority: 67371008 Wait state: 3030070 Yielded CPU Stack: --00200246 (SCSIHD.CDM|__NLM_BSS_End+1496) --8BDCB0A4 ? --5D4D4C4E ? -00434838 (SERVER.NLM|AllocSizeTable+0) --00000018 ? -00434838 (SERVER.NLM|AllocSizeTable+0) --8BDCB0A0 ? --8BDCB0A4 ? 0025B4AC (SERVER.NLM|Alloc+D0) --8C2A12D0 ? --8C28FCC0 ? --00000000 ? --00000010 ? 8C798F0C (SLLDAP.NLM|CleanupDeviceHandler+4ACC) --00000010 ? --00000000 ? --00000000 ? --0000000C ? --8C2A12E0 ? 8C798F3B (SLLDAP.NLM|CleanupDeviceHandler+4AFB) --0000000C ? --00000000 ? --8C2A12EC ? 8C798F66 (SLLDAP.NLM|CleanupDeviceHandler+4B26) --0000000C ? --8C2A1328 ? 8C794CC7 (SLLDAP.NLM|CleanupDeviceHandler+887) --0000000C ? --00000000 ? --00000000 ? 8C7A3BEF (SLLDAP.NLM|CleanupDeviceHandler+F7AF) --0000000C ? --00000000 ? 8C795425 (SLLDAP.NLM|CleanupDeviceHandler+FE5) -8C7D2A88 (SLLDAP.NLM|(Data Start)+7A88) --00000000 ? --00000000 ? --8C330AC0 ? --8C28FCC0 ? --8C590180 ? --8C330AC0 ? --8C28FCC0 ? --8C590180 ? --8C330AC0 ? 8C7A301F (SLLDAP.NLM|CleanupDeviceHandler+EBDF) 8C7A3430 (SLLDAP.NLM|CleanupDeviceHandler+EFF0) -8C7D9348 (SLLDAP.NLM|(Data Start)+E348) 8C794400 (SLLDAP.NLM|InitializeDeviceHandler+60) --8C330AC0 ? --8C590180 ? 8C21B51B (STATUSLG.NLM|(Code Start)+351B) --8C330AC0 ? --006C0073 ? --0064006C ? --00700061 ? --00010000 ? --3A535953 ? --5359535C ? -004D4554 (SERVER.NLM|lostCountArray+2010) --646C6C73 ? --2A2E7061 ? --00200200 (SCSIHD.CDM|__NLM_BSS_End+1450) --00000000 ? --802FD1C0 ? --8C590180 ? --8C590299 ? --00000004 ? --8C298200 ? --00000091 ? --19141D10 ? --00000000 ? --8C28C220 ? --8C290B80 ? --802FD1C0 ? --8C2A50E0 ? 8C218F89 (STATUSLG.NLM|(Code Start)+F89) --8C2A50E0 ? --00000001 ? --8C298200 ? CF879301 (SAL.NLM|SAL_SysValidateWritePtr+142) --CF80DDC0 ? --802FD1C0 ? CF8793D9 (SAL.NLM|SAL_SysValidateWritePtr+21A) --00000000 ? --00000000 ? --8C298200 ? --802FD1C0 ? --8C298200 ? 0021D2E8 (SERVER.NLM|TcoNewSystemThreadEntryPoint+3C) --8C298200 ? --802FD1C0 ? --00000000 ? --00000000 ? --00000000 ? --00000000 ? --00000000 ? --00000000 ? --00000000 ? --00000000 ? --00000000 ? Additional Information: The CPU encountered a problem executing code in SERVER.NLM. The problem may be in that module or in data passed to that module by a process owned by STATUSLG.NLM. Loaded Modules: SLLDAP.NLM RNS Device Handler - SLLDAP Version 1.00 October 18, 2002 Code Address: 8C78B000h Length: 0003FAA1h Data Address: 8C7CB000h Length: 00011F68h LDAPSSL.NLM NetWare SSL Library for LDAP SDK (Clib version) Version 3.01 November 13, 2003 Code Address: 8C70C000h Length: 0005F321h Data Address: 8C76C000h Length: 000187DDh LDAPSDK.NLM LDAP SDK Library (Clib version) Version 3.01 November 13, 2003 Code Address: 8C662000h Length: 0001CE0Bh Data Address: 8C67F000h Length: 000066D9h ZIP.NLM Java zip (based on 1.3) Version 1.31.08 June 16, 2004 Code Address: 8C56E000h Length: 0000AD6Ch Data Address: 8C579000h Length: 00001B30h JVMLIB.NLM Java jvmlib (based on 1.3) Version 1.31.08 June 16, 2004 Code Address: 8C531000h Length: 00016691h Data Address: 8C548000h Length: 00005890h VERIFY.NLM Java verify (based on 1.3) Version 1.31.08 June 16, 2004 Code Address: 8C4E6000h Length: 00008564h Data Address: 8C4EF000h Length: 00001A60h JVM.NLM Java jvm (based on 1.3) Version 1.31.08 June 16, 2004 Code Address: 8C45F000h Length: 000491EFh Data Address: 8C4A -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: EARTH ABEND.txt URL: From larry at ladyburd.com Sat Oct 24 13:28:56 2009 From: larry at ladyburd.com (Larry Burd) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:28:56 -0400 Subject: Nov 1st Message-ID: Oct 31st is the plan to turn OFF the big red N. Everything is pretty much migrated over now. (yeah yeah, I know, but the inevitable has set in) Is there a way to remove the NW client from 30 workstations at the same time ? Does someone have a poweshell script ? thank you. Larry From randygrein at comcast.net Sat Oct 24 19:11:56 2009 From: randygrein at comcast.net (Randy Grein) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:11:56 -0700 Subject: Legacy NW 6.0 SP edir 8.6.2 abend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <77A5BF07-B2EA-418C-A9BB-42E4C0EF42AE@comcast.net> Dana, Nothing jumps out at me (maybe someone else who is better at reading abend logs will see something) but I've found in every instance I had the HP integration running it crashed systems. Try disabling in autoexec and restarting. If that doesn't do it use the same strategy (disable & reboot) for everything until you find your problem child. Or you can be fancy and step through the load process one item at a time (I think that's available in 6.0) until you get the abend. Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA On Oct 23, 2009, at 2:27 PM, zzz wrote: > Greetings - legacy question. > (FYI, we start our first OES installs next week). > This box is generally pretty stable and no changes have been made. > We have to reboot it every couple of months, but it has always come > back up. > This box locked hard last night and I had to power cycle. > Each boot, it abends, but continues to work. > > The abend shows on boot, but not in the in the HP INTEGRATED LOG > viewer, so it is happening earlier in the boot process. > > I just need a couple months more service from it until it is retired. > I have done some googles, but they are all over the place. > Some of you are pretty sharp with abends, and have helped me in the > past. > A clip is below, but I have attached the two full abends from last > night. > > As always, thanks for your help. > > Dana > > ********************************************************** > Server EARTH halted Thursday, October 22, 2009 9:29:12.069 pm > Abend 1 on P00: Server-5.60.05: Page Fault Processor Exception (Error > code 00000000) > > Registers: > CS = 0008 DS = 0010 ES = 0010 FS = 0010 GS = 0010 SS = 0010 > EAX = 00000010 EBX = 00000010 ECX = 00000000 EDX = 00000000 > ESI = 00000000 EDI = 8C28FCC0 EBP = 8C2A12D0 ESP = 8C2A1288 > EIP = 0025B3F3 FLAGS = 00210202 > 0025B3F3 8B5104 MOV EDX,[ECX+04]=? > EIP in SERVER.NLM at code start +00059FB3h > Access Location: 0x00000004 > > The violation occurred while processing the following instruction: > 0025B3F3 8B5104 MOV EDX,[ECX+04] > 0025B3F6 8B3D38A64200 MOV > EDI,[SERVER.NLM|OSAddressSpace]=SERVER.NLM|OSAS > 0025B3FC 8BB2FC000000 MOV ESI,[EDX+000000FC] > 0025B402 8B92C4020000 MOV EDX,[EDX+000002C4] > 0025B408 8D5E04 LEA EBX,[ESI+04] > 0025B40B 39FA CMP EDX,EDI > 0025B40D 0F853C020000 JNZ 0025B64F > 0025B413 8D7807 LEA EDI,[EAX+07] > 0025B416 8D5027 LEA EDX,[EAX+27] > 0025B419 80E2E0 AND DL,E0 > > > > Running process: SalTHRD Process > Thread Owned by NLM: STATUSLG.NLM > Stack pointer: 8C2A1144 > OS Stack limit: 8C299400 > Scheduling priority: 67371008 > Wait state: 3030070 Yielded CPU > Stack: --00200246 (SCSIHD.CDM|__NLM_BSS_End+1496) > --8BDCB0A4 ? > --5D4D4C4E ? > -00434838 (SERVER.NLM|AllocSizeTable+0) > --00000018 ? > -00434838 (SERVER.NLM|AllocSizeTable+0) > --8BDCB0A0 ? > --8BDCB0A4 ? > 0025B4AC (SERVER.NLM|Alloc+D0) > --8C2A12D0 ? > --8C28FCC0 ? > --00000000 ? > --00000010 ? > 8C798F0C (SLLDAP.NLM|CleanupDeviceHandler+4ACC) > --00000010 ? > --00000000 ? > --00000000 ? > --0000000C ? > --8C2A12E0 ? > 8C798F3B (SLLDAP.NLM|CleanupDeviceHandler+4AFB) > --0000000C ? > --00000000 ? > --8C2A12EC ? > 8C798F66 (SLLDAP.NLM|CleanupDeviceHandler+4B26) > --0000000C ? > --8C2A1328 ? > 8C794CC7 (SLLDAP.NLM|CleanupDeviceHandler+887) > --0000000C ? > --00000000 ? > --00000000 ? > 8C7A3BEF (SLLDAP.NLM|CleanupDeviceHandler+F7AF) > --0000000C ? > --00000000 ? > 8C795425 (SLLDAP.NLM|CleanupDeviceHandler+FE5) > -8C7D2A88 (SLLDAP.NLM|(Data Start)+7A88) > --00000000 ? > --00000000 ? > --8C330AC0 ? > --8C28FCC0 ? > --8C590180 ? > --8C330AC0 ? > --8C28FCC0 ? > --8C590180 ? > --8C330AC0 ? > 8C7A301F (SLLDAP.NLM|CleanupDeviceHandler+EBDF) > 8C7A3430 (SLLDAP.NLM|CleanupDeviceHandler+EFF0) > -8C7D9348 (SLLDAP.NLM|(Data Start)+E348) > 8C794400 (SLLDAP.NLM|InitializeDeviceHandler+60) > --8C330AC0 ? > --8C590180 ? > 8C21B51B (STATUSLG.NLM|(Code Start)+351B) > --8C330AC0 ? > --006C0073 ? > --0064006C ? > --00700061 ? > --00010000 ? > --3A535953 ? > --5359535C ? > -004D4554 (SERVER.NLM|lostCountArray+2010) > --646C6C73 ? > --2A2E7061 ? > --00200200 (SCSIHD.CDM|__NLM_BSS_End+1450) > --00000000 ? > --802FD1C0 ? > --8C590180 ? > --8C590299 ? > --00000004 ? > --8C298200 ? > --00000091 ? > --19141D10 ? > --00000000 ? > --8C28C220 ? > --8C290B80 ? > --802FD1C0 ? > --8C2A50E0 ? > 8C218F89 (STATUSLG.NLM|(Code Start)+F89) > --8C2A50E0 ? > --00000001 ? > --8C298200 ? > CF879301 (SAL.NLM|SAL_SysValidateWritePtr+142) > --CF80DDC0 ? > --802FD1C0 ? > CF8793D9 (SAL.NLM|SAL_SysValidateWritePtr+21A) > --00000000 ? > --00000000 ? > --8C298200 ? > --802FD1C0 ? > --8C298200 ? > 0021D2E8 (SERVER.NLM|TcoNewSystemThreadEntryPoint+3C) > --8C298200 ? > --802FD1C0 ? > --00000000 ? > --00000000 ? > --00000000 ? > --00000000 ? > --00000000 ? > --00000000 ? > --00000000 ? > --00000000 ? > --00000000 ? > > Additional Information: > The CPU encountered a problem executing code in SERVER.NLM. The > problem may be in that module or in data passed to that module by a > process owned by STATUSLG.NLM. > > Loaded Modules: > SLLDAP.NLM RNS Device Handler - SLLDAP > Version 1.00 October 18, 2002 > Code Address: 8C78B000h Length: 0003FAA1h > Data Address: 8C7CB000h Length: 00011F68h > LDAPSSL.NLM NetWare SSL Library for LDAP SDK (Clib version) > Version 3.01 November 13, 2003 > Code Address: 8C70C000h Length: 0005F321h > Data Address: 8C76C000h Length: 000187DDh > LDAPSDK.NLM LDAP SDK Library (Clib version) > Version 3.01 November 13, 2003 > Code Address: 8C662000h Length: 0001CE0Bh > Data Address: 8C67F000h Length: 000066D9h > ZIP.NLM Java zip (based on 1.3) > Version 1.31.08 June 16, 2004 > Code Address: 8C56E000h Length: 0000AD6Ch > Data Address: 8C579000h Length: 00001B30h > JVMLIB.NLM Java jvmlib (based on 1.3) > Version 1.31.08 June 16, 2004 > Code Address: 8C531000h Length: 00016691h > Data Address: 8C548000h Length: 00005890h > VERIFY.NLM Java verify (based on 1.3) > Version 1.31.08 June 16, 2004 > Code Address: 8C4E6000h Length: 00008564h > Data Address: 8C4EF000h Length: 00001A60h > JVM.NLM Java jvm (based on 1.3) > Version 1.31.08 June 16, 2004 > Code Address: 8C45F000h Length: 000491EFh > Data Address: 8C4A > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell From zzz at minneapolis.edu Sat Oct 24 22:33:22 2009 From: zzz at minneapolis.edu (zzz) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:33:22 -0500 Subject: Legacy NW 6.0 SP edir 8.6.2 abend Message-ID: Hi Randy, Long time no talk. Thanks for the quick response. Someone on another list I have worked with on some hard-to-trace abends told me to look into a dirxml 1.1a module that is running on the box as the first step. If push comes to shove, I don't need dirxml on the box, so will try disabling it. Regarding the HP INTEGRATED LOG VIEWER, I have actually had very good luck with it, at least on NW 6, as it quickly summarizes the abend, and in many cases, pointed me directly to what module was affected. But not sure how well it works with never OS versions. I will see what I can come up with on this one starting with the dirxml. Thanks for the help. Dana >>> randygrein at comcast.net 10/24/2009 1:11:56 PM >>> Dana, Nothing jumps out at me (maybe someone else who is better at reading abend logs will see something) but I've found in every instance I had the HP integration running it crashed systems. Try disabling in autoexec and restarting. If that doesn't do it use the same strategy (disable & reboot) for everything until you find your problem child. Or you can be fancy and step through the load process one item at a time (I think that's available in 6.0) until you get the abend. Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA On Oct 23, 2009, at 2:27 PM, zzz wrote: > Greetings - legacy question. > (FYI, we start our first OES installs next week). > This box is generally pretty stable and no changes have been made. > We have to reboot it every couple of months, but it has always come > back up. > This box locked hard last night and I had to power cycle. > Each boot, it abends, but continues to work. > > The abend shows on boot, but not in the in the HP INTEGRATED LOG > viewer, so it is happening earlier in the boot process. > > I just need a couple months more service from it until it is retired. > I have done some googles, but they are all over the place. > Some of you are pretty sharp with abends, and have helped me in the > past. > A clip is below, but I have attached the two full abends from last > night. > > As always, thanks for your help. > > Dana > > ********************************************************** > Server EARTH halted Thursday, October 22, 2009 9:29:12.069 pm > Abend 1 on P00: Server-5.60.05: Page Fault Processor Exception (Error > code 00000000) > > Registers: > CS = 0008 DS = 0010 ES = 0010 FS = 0010 GS = 0010 SS = 0010 > EAX = 00000010 EBX = 00000010 ECX = 00000000 EDX = 00000000 > ESI = 00000000 EDI = 8C28FCC0 EBP = 8C2A12D0 ESP = 8C2A1288 > EIP = 0025B3F3 FLAGS = 00210202 > 0025B3F3 8B5104 MOV EDX,[ECX+04]=? > EIP in SERVER.NLM at code start +00059FB3h > Access Location: 0x00000004 > > The violation occurred while processing the following instruction: > 0025B3F3 8B5104 MOV EDX,[ECX+04] > 0025B3F6 8B3D38A64200 MOV > EDI,[SERVER.NLM|OSAddressSpace]=SERVER.NLM|OSAS > 0025B3FC 8BB2FC000000 MOV ESI,[EDX+000000FC] > 0025B402 8B92C4020000 MOV EDX,[EDX+000002C4] > 0025B408 8D5E04 LEA EBX,[ESI+04] > 0025B40B 39FA CMP EDX,EDI > 0025B40D 0F853C020000 JNZ 0025B64F > 0025B413 8D7807 LEA EDI,[EAX+07] > 0025B416 8D5027 LEA EDX,[EAX+27] > 0025B419 80E2E0 AND DL,E0 > > > > Running process: SalTHRD Process > Thread Owned by NLM: STATUSLG.NLM > Stack pointer: 8C2A1144 > OS Stack limit: 8C299400 > Scheduling priority: 67371008 > Wait state: 3030070 Yielded CPU > Stack: --00200246 (SCSIHD.CDM|__NLM_BSS_End+1496) > --8BDCB0A4 ? > --5D4D4C4E ? > -00434838 (SERVER.NLM|AllocSizeTable+0) > --00000018 ? > -00434838 (SERVER.NLM|AllocSizeTable+0) > --8BDCB0A0 ? > --8BDCB0A4 ? > 0025B4AC (SERVER.NLM|Alloc+D0) > --8C2A12D0 ? > --8C28FCC0 ? > --00000000 ? > --00000010 ? > 8C798F0C (SLLDAP.NLM|CleanupDeviceHandler+4ACC) > --00000010 ? > --00000000 ? > --00000000 ? > --0000000C ? > --8C2A12E0 ? > 8C798F3B (SLLDAP.NLM|CleanupDeviceHandler+4AFB) > --0000000C ? > --00000000 ? > --8C2A12EC ? > 8C798F66 (SLLDAP.NLM|CleanupDeviceHandler+4B26) > --0000000C ? > --8C2A1328 ? > 8C794CC7 (SLLDAP.NLM|CleanupDeviceHandler+887) > --0000000C ? > --00000000 ? > --00000000 ? > 8C7A3BEF (SLLDAP.NLM|CleanupDeviceHandler+F7AF) > --0000000C ? > --00000000 ? > 8C795425 (SLLDAP.NLM|CleanupDeviceHandler+FE5) > -8C7D2A88 (SLLDAP.NLM|(Data Start)+7A88) > --00000000 ? > --00000000 ? > --8C330AC0 ? > --8C28FCC0 ? > --8C590180 ? > --8C330AC0 ? > --8C28FCC0 ? > --8C590180 ? > --8C330AC0 ? > 8C7A301F (SLLDAP.NLM|CleanupDeviceHandler+EBDF) > 8C7A3430 (SLLDAP.NLM|CleanupDeviceHandler+EFF0) > -8C7D9348 (SLLDAP.NLM|(Data Start)+E348) > 8C794400 (SLLDAP.NLM|InitializeDeviceHandler+60) > --8C330AC0 ? > --8C590180 ? > 8C21B51B (STATUSLG.NLM|(Code Start)+351B) > --8C330AC0 ? > --006C0073 ? > --0064006C ? > --00700061 ? > --00010000 ? > --3A535953 ? > --5359535C ? > -004D4554 (SERVER.NLM|lostCountArray+2010) > --646C6C73 ? > --2A2E7061 ? > --00200200 (SCSIHD.CDM|__NLM_BSS_End+1450) > --00000000 ? > --802FD1C0 ? > --8C590180 ? > --8C590299 ? > --00000004 ? > --8C298200 ? > --00000091 ? > --19141D10 ? > --00000000 ? > --8C28C220 ? > --8C290B80 ? > --802FD1C0 ? > --8C2A50E0 ? > 8C218F89 (STATUSLG.NLM|(Code Start)+F89) > --8C2A50E0 ? > --00000001 ? > --8C298200 ? > CF879301 (SAL.NLM|SAL_SysValidateWritePtr+142) > --CF80DDC0 ? > --802FD1C0 ? > CF8793D9 (SAL.NLM|SAL_SysValidateWritePtr+21A) > --00000000 ? > --00000000 ? > --8C298200 ? > --802FD1C0 ? > --8C298200 ? > 0021D2E8 (SERVER.NLM|TcoNewSystemThreadEntryPoint+3C) > --8C298200 ? > --802FD1C0 ? > --00000000 ? > --00000000 ? > --00000000 ? > --00000000 ? > --00000000 ? > --00000000 ? > --00000000 ? > --00000000 ? > --00000000 ? > > Additional Information: > The CPU encountered a problem executing code in SERVER.NLM. The > problem may be in that module or in data passed to that module by a > process owned by STATUSLG.NLM. > > Loaded Modules: > SLLDAP.NLM RNS Device Handler - SLLDAP > Version 1.00 October 18, 2002 > Code Address: 8C78B000h Length: 0003FAA1h > Data Address: 8C7CB000h Length: 00011F68h > LDAPSSL.NLM NetWare SSL Library for LDAP SDK (Clib version) > Version 3.01 November 13, 2003 > Code Address: 8C70C000h Length: 0005F321h > Data Address: 8C76C000h Length: 000187DDh > LDAPSDK.NLM LDAP SDK Library (Clib version) > Version 3.01 November 13, 2003 > Code Address: 8C662000h Length: 0001CE0Bh > Data Address: 8C67F000h Length: 000066D9h > ZIP.NLM Java zip (based on 1.3) > Version 1.31.08 June 16, 2004 > Code Address: 8C56E000h Length: 0000AD6Ch > Data Address: 8C579000h Length: 00001B30h > JVMLIB.NLM Java jvmlib (based on 1.3) > Version 1.31.08 June 16, 2004 > Code Address: 8C531000h Length: 00016691h > Data Address: 8C548000h Length: 00005890h > VERIFY.NLM Java verify (based on 1.3) > Version 1.31.08 June 16, 2004 > Code Address: 8C4E6000h Length: 00008564h > Data Address: 8C4EF000h Length: 00001A60h > JVM.NLM Java jvm (based on 1.3) > Version 1.31.08 June 16, 2004 > Code Address: 8C45F000h Length: 000491EFh > Data Address: 8C4A > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell _______________________________________________ Novell mailing list Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell From jetadmin at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 16:02:01 2009 From: jetadmin at gmail.com (Eric R) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:02:01 -0400 Subject: Something is eating root! In-Reply-To: <4AE16D4A.33FD.002C.1@cco.state.oh.us> References: <4AD43BB3020000180001183A@gw.mbc.qld.edu.au> <7AB540EB-2236-4B62-9017-0A97D22C0838@comcast.net> <4AE06BB8.33FD.002C.1@cco.state.oh.us> <5e7da10a0910221207r774ac0fbg4746a5a5c1fb0123@mail.gmail.com> <4AE16D4A.33FD.002C.1@cco.state.oh.us> Message-ID: <1d6cdac70910260902mfb88f60xc34f37ec85b0252f@mail.gmail.com> The big hitters I've found are: /var/opt/novell/iManager and wrote: > Yup; that filled the bill. Someone was making a backup copy of the iManager directory tree before each upgrade, and then not deleting the backups. > :\ > > Thanks. > > >>>> Alan Pearson 10/22/2009 16:05 >>> > Not really the best advice there Joe, he said his root partition, not / > root ! > > du is your friend. > > > cd / > du -sxh * > > > This will list the sizes of each directory and then you can drill down > into each and see what's eating the space. > My money is on /var/log...... > > > > AlanP > > > --- > AlanP > > On 22 Oct 2009, at 20:07, joe Acquisto wrote: > >> "cd /root" >> >> "ls -lt | more" >> >> examine >> >> joe a. >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Michael Glenn >> wrote: >> >>> Hello; it's me again. >>> >>> I have a bit of a puzzle here. Over the past five months or so, the >>> amount >>> of space consumed on the root partition on one of my OES2 servers >>> has risen >>> from 41% to 75%, and I am at a loss as to what is doing it. >>> >>> Any ideas as to how I could go about tracking it down? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Novell mailing list >>> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk >>> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Novell mailing list >> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk >> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell > > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell > > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell > From MGlenn at cco.state.oh.us Mon Oct 26 16:43:48 2009 From: MGlenn at cco.state.oh.us (Michael Glenn) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:43:48 -0400 Subject: Something is eating root! In-Reply-To: <1d6cdac70910260902mfb88f60xc34f37ec85b0252f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AD43BB3020000180001183A@gw.mbc.qld.edu.au> <7AB540EB-2236-4B62-9017-0A97D22C0838@comcast.net> <4AE06BB8.33FD.002C.1@cco.state.oh.us> <5e7da10a0910221207r774ac0fbg4746a5a5c1fb0123@mail.gmail.com> <4AE16D4A.33FD.002C.1@cco.state.oh.us> <1d6cdac70910260902mfb88f60xc34f37ec85b0252f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE59983.33FD.002C.1@cco.state.oh.us> I find it rather strange how Novell often fails to make use of Linux house-keeping processes, such as logrotate. I believe I will suggest to them that adding things like NDS logs, core dumps and other such droppings to logrotate's cleanup list just might be a Good Thing. >>> Eric R 10/26/2009 12:02 >>> The big hitters I've found are: /var/opt/novell/iManager and wrote: > Yup; that filled the bill. Someone was making a backup copy of the iManager directory tree before each upgrade, and then not deleting the backups. > :\ > > Thanks. > > >>>> Alan Pearson 10/22/2009 16:05 >>> > Not really the best advice there Joe, he said his root partition, not / > root ! > > du is your friend. > > > cd / > du -sxh * > > > This will list the sizes of each directory and then you can drill down > into each and see what's eating the space. > My money is on /var/log...... > > > > AlanP > > > --- > AlanP > > On 22 Oct 2009, at 20:07, joe Acquisto wrote: > >> "cd /root" >> >> "ls -lt | more" >> >> examine >> >> joe a. >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Michael Glenn >> wrote: >> >>> Hello; it's me again. >>> >>> I have a bit of a puzzle here. Over the past five months or so, the >>> amount >>> of space consumed on the root partition on one of my OES2 servers >>> has risen >>> from 41% to 75%, and I am at a loss as to what is doing it. >>> >>> Any ideas as to how I could go about tracking it down? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Novell mailing list >>> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk >>> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Novell mailing list >> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk >> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell > > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell > > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell > _______________________________________________ Novell mailing list Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell From joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk Mon Oct 26 16:50:26 2009 From: joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe R. Doupnik) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:50:26 +0000 Subject: Something is eating root! In-Reply-To: <4AE59983.33FD.002C.1@cco.state.oh.us> References: <4AD43BB3020000180001183A@gw.mbc.qld.edu.au> <7AB540EB-2236-4B62-9017-0A97D22C0838@comcast.net> <4AE06BB8.33FD.002C.1@cco.state.oh.us> <5e7da10a0910221207r774ac0fbg4746a5a5c1fb0123@mail.gmail.com> <4AE16D4A.33FD.002C.1@cco.state.oh.us> <1d6cdac70910260902mfb88f60xc34f37ec85b0252f@mail.gmail.com> <4AE59983.33FD.002C.1@cco.state.oh.us> Message-ID: <4AE5D352.6080205@oucs.ox.ac.uk> Michael Glenn wrote: > I find it rather strange how Novell often fails to make use of Linux house-keeping processes, such as logrotate. I believe I will suggest to them that adding things like NDS logs, core dumps and other such droppings to logrotate's cleanup list just might be a Good Thing. > > >>>> Eric R 10/26/2009 12:02 >>> >>>> > The big hitters I've found are: > /var/opt/novell/iManager and /var/opt/novell/eDirectory/data there. These can be quite large and a couple of them can take a LOT > of space. > I partition off /var /tmp & /usr to try to limit the damage that > can cross the mount points. Something filling / might take down the > box (or close enough to taking it down) but eDir's dib is protected in > /var. /tmp can grow fast at weird times so I prefer to protect the > rest of the system from it (try downloading a file with Firefox to a > different filespace - it goes to /tmp first so if it's not partitioned > off but you think you're good because that 3GB iso is going to a > different filesystem, say aa USB drive, but you only have 2.8GB free > on / - you'll be having fun soon) Last, /usr is where sys is created > to be presented to the users. I actually go a level deeper and > partition off /usr/novell so if someone's not thinking they don't > cause more problems with the OS than the service not having space left > on sys: > > Just some observations and thoughts - hope it helps someone. > > Eric > -------------- I have run OES2/Linux into full disk situations and aside from the logging routines complaing that they can't write, not even their complaints about it, the system continues to operate. When I clear out some items the system continues on as if nothing happened. I agree that logrotate and friends need to be in Novell's lexicon. For really large DIB sets one can move eDir to other storage areas. Joe D. From larry at ladyburd.com Tue Oct 27 12:58:47 2009 From: larry at ladyburd.com (Larry Burd) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:58:47 -0400 Subject: Audit !! References: Message-ID: <265C21B1EBBC49F88C43C55C5D871E03@ladyburd.local> Novell contacted me, that they want to audit my business !! --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) Ensure customers understand their contractual obligations. 2) Determine current software usage and reconcile previous purchases. 3) Educate the customer on audit methodology and provide tools to assist in performing the audit. Novell requests that the Formal Audit be conducted remotely by your company. At Novell's discretion, LMS Auditors may visit your site to verify information and conclude the Formal Audit. --------------------------------------------------------------------- They are absolutly INSANE. I have a 5.1 server, which is about to be turned off within days, and they want to audit me. Let's see, they don't support 5.1, but they want to >> Ensure customers understand their contractual obligations. << What a joke. Maybe they should be more business savy, and attempt to sell me OES, but the fact is, it's already too little, too late. Instead they are busy auditing and annoying people, when they should be doing PR work, trying to maintain what customer base they have left. Truly pathetic. Thank you all for the generous support you have provided over the past 15 years or so. Larry From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk Tue Oct 27 13:23:02 2009 From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe R. Doupnik) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:23:02 +0000 Subject: Audit !! In-Reply-To: <265C21B1EBBC49F88C43C55C5D871E03@ladyburd.local> References: <265C21B1EBBC49F88C43C55C5D871E03@ladyburd.local> Message-ID: <4AE6F436.7000604@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Larry Burd wrote: > Novell contacted me, that they want to audit my business !! > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > 1) Ensure customers understand their contractual obligations. > > 2) Determine current software usage and reconcile previous purchases. > > 3) Educate the customer on audit methodology and provide tools to > assist in performing the audit. > > > > Novell requests that the Formal Audit be conducted remotely by your > company. At Novell's discretion, LMS Auditors may visit your site to > verify information and conclude the Formal Audit. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > They are absolutly INSANE. I have a 5.1 server, which is about to be > turned off within days, and they want to audit me. > > Let's see, they don't support 5.1, but they want to >> Ensure > customers understand their contractual obligations. << > > What a joke. > > Maybe they should be more business savy, and attempt to sell me OES, > but the fact is, it's already too little, too late. > > Instead they are busy auditing and annoying people, when they should > be doing PR work, trying to maintain what customer base they have left. > > > > Truly pathetic. > > > > Thank you all for the generous support you have provided over the past > 15 years or so. > > > > Larry > -------------- Larry, Been there, done that. The exercise was largely a waste of time and rather inept, in my case some years ago. My advice is do your paperwork first, be nice to the visiting auditors, keep your opinions, advice, suggestions to yourself, be nice but mute, and enjoy the show. It's lots more fun than listening to a regular sales person. Joe D. From bbrush at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 14:04:52 2009 From: bbrush at gmail.com (Bill Brush) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:04:52 -0500 Subject: Audit !! In-Reply-To: <265C21B1EBBC49F88C43C55C5D871E03@ladyburd.local> References: <265C21B1EBBC49F88C43C55C5D871E03@ladyburd.local> Message-ID: <167f4090910270704p64a0a74bw81bfe2aff482524e@mail.gmail.com> I think they're doing that with everyone who's had a contract recently. They contacted us to, but it was just a matter of running their little tool and sending them the results. I'd just wait till you shutdown, run it, then send them the empty report. Bill On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Larry Burd wrote: > Novell contacted me, that they want to audit my business !! From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org Tue Oct 27 16:34:20 2009 From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:34:20 -0400 Subject: Audit !! In-Reply-To: <265C21B1EBBC49F88C43C55C5D871E03@ladyburd.local> References: <265C21B1EBBC49F88C43C55C5D871E03@ladyburd.local> Message-ID: Does anyone remember what M$ did about 10 years ago? Sent customers a letter saying some auditing company (ABS I think) is going to come and audit all M$ software. After spending weeks digging up paper CALs, looking through our accounts on M$ Licensing server we found out it was a scare tactic to get customer to get up to date on licensing (I don't want to say that they wanted to scare customers into over purchasing licenses but anyone who has waded through M$ licensing knows it is a distinct possibility). We were never audited. Apple still insists on linking their software to there hardware forcing the customer in some cases to purchase hardware that overvalues form at the expense of function (again I am not basing Apple, I own a mini and a couple iPods). So before we bash Novell too much lets remember what their competitors have done while managing to spend a heap of money on advertising and PR. Just my 0.02. T2 "Larry Burd" To Sent by: novell-bounces at ne cc tlab1.oucs.ox.ac. uk Subject Audit !! 10/27/2009 08:59 AM Please respond to Novell LAN Interest Group Novell contacted me, that they want to audit my business !! --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) Ensure customers understand their contractual obligations. 2) Determine current software usage and reconcile previous purchases. 3) Educate the customer on audit methodology and provide tools to assist in performing the audit. Novell requests that the Formal Audit be conducted remotely by your company. At Novell's discretion, LMS Auditors may visit your site to verify information and conclude the Formal Audit. --------------------------------------------------------------------- They are absolutly INSANE. I have a 5.1 server, which is about to be turned off within days, and they want to audit me. Let's see, they don't support 5.1, but they want to >> Ensure customers understand their contractual obligations. << What a joke. Maybe they should be more business savy, and attempt to sell me OES, but the fact is, it's already too little, too late. Instead they are busy auditing and annoying people, when they should be doing PR work, trying to maintain what customer base they have left. Truly pathetic. Thank you all for the generous support you have provided over the past 15 years or so. Larry _______________________________________________ Novell mailing list Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell -- BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS ------------------------------------------------------ Teach CanIt if this mail (ID 213826414) is spam: Spam: http://milton1.wnyric.org/canit/b.php?i=213826414&m=d9d7aa2f573a&t=20091027&c=s Not spam: http://milton1.wnyric.org/canit/b.php?i=213826414&m=d9d7aa2f573a&t=20091027&c=n Forget vote: http://milton1.wnyric.org/canit/b.php?i=213826414&m=d9d7aa2f573a&t=20091027&c=f ------------------------------------------------------ END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission is intended for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. This message may contain confidential student or personnel data or an attorney-client communication and as such is privileged and confidential. 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(grin) Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA On Oct 27, 2009, at 7:04 AM, Bill Brush wrote: > I think they're doing that with everyone who's had a contract > recently. They contacted us to, but it was just a matter of running > their little tool and sending them the results. I'd just wait till > you shutdown, run it, then send them the empty report. > > Bill > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Larry Burd > wrote: >> Novell contacted me, that they want to audit my business !! > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell From budthegrey at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 14:59:34 2009 From: budthegrey at gmail.com (Bud Durland) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:59:34 -0400 Subject: A good problem to have Message-ID: <509526700910280759l6cb7e961i81e55cfb7de7dd2d@mail.gmail.com> I just got our VP of purchasing to sign off on a new server to replace our HP DL-380/G4. Yay! The new system is an HP DL-360/G6. The upgrade was driven (mostly) by the need for significantly more storage space. Environment: We have 2 nearly identical servers running NetWare 6.5/Sp7. The server to be replaced holds the master eDirectory replica, and is our primary file/print server. We have approximately 210GB of data, and a couple dozen NDPS printers. We also run iFolder, but it is hosted by the other server. The "good problem" is how to migrate everything to the new server. The obvious answer is to use the server consolidation/migration utility, but I wonder if this is also a very good opportunity to test our backup / recovery process. Doing that is (I think) as simple(?) as promoting the other server to be the master replica, remove eDir from the old server, build the new server "bare" with the same name and IP address, add it to eDir, then use the restore process to put files back. Also, does the SCMU require that the target server use OES/Linux? I'm still a bit leary of that. We have *no* in-house expertise on Linux; the only skills we have are from reading manuals and hard experience. I'm especially concerned that the update/patch process is less than ideal. I realize that Linux is the future, but the implications of a mis-step for the company are significant. I will also be consolidating two volumes from the old server to one on the new -- I presume that the SCMU can do that without issue. Also, we recently added Active Directory to our network. The NetWare servers went in long before we did that, and I did not make any changes to before for AD. Is there anything AD related I should be doing when I install the new server? Thanks in advance for pointers and advice. -- ---------------------------------------------------------- I'm in my own little world. But that's OK, because they all know me here. From joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 15:09:20 2009 From: joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe R. Doupnik) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:09:20 +0000 Subject: A good problem to have In-Reply-To: <509526700910280759l6cb7e961i81e55cfb7de7dd2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <509526700910280759l6cb7e961i81e55cfb7de7dd2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE85EA0.5080102@oucs.ox.ac.uk> Bud Durland wrote: > I just got our VP of purchasing to sign off on a new server to replace our > HP DL-380/G4. Yay! The new system is an HP DL-360/G6. The upgrade was > driven (mostly) by the need for significantly more storage space. > > Environment: We have 2 nearly identical servers running NetWare 6.5/Sp7. > The server to be replaced holds the master eDirectory replica, and is our > primary file/print server. We have approximately 210GB of data, and a > couple dozen NDPS printers. We also run iFolder, but it is hosted by the > other server. > > The "good problem" is how to migrate everything to the new server. The > obvious answer is to use the server consolidation/migration utility, but I > wonder if this is also a very good opportunity to test our backup / recovery > process. Doing that is (I think) as simple(?) as promoting the other server > to be the master replica, remove eDir from the old server, build the new > server "bare" with the same name and IP address, add it to eDir, then use > the restore process to put files back. > > Also, does the SCMU require that the target server use OES/Linux? I'm still > a bit leary of that. We have *no* in-house expertise on Linux; the only > skills we have are from reading manuals and hard experience. I'm especially > concerned that the update/patch process is less than ideal. I realize that > Linux is the future, but the implications of a mis-step for the company are > significant. > > I will also be consolidating two volumes from the old server to one on the > new -- I presume that the SCMU can do that without issue. > > Also, we recently added Active Directory to our network. The NetWare > servers went in long before we did that, and I did not make any changes to > before for AD. Is there anything AD related I should be doing when I > install the new server? > > Thanks in advance for pointers and advice. > > > > ---------------- My general advice is avoid burning bridges. Yet SCMT wants to apply an eDir torch to the original. If you were to do the full identity transfer operation, then eDir can be replaced on the source provided you pay careful attention to where the save files are hidden (shown on the screen). SCMT really has not head of Linux. It is for NW, which is youir situation. My other bit of free advice is practice your choices on spare/virtual machines which are off the net. Btw, SP8 for NW has been out for a long time. Hint, hint. Joe D. From toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee Wed Oct 28 16:49:21 2009 From: toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee (Toomas Aas) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:49:21 +0200 Subject: A good problem to have In-Reply-To: <509526700910280759l6cb7e961i81e55cfb7de7dd2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <509526700910280759l6cb7e961i81e55cfb7de7dd2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE87611.4050004@raad.tartu.ee> Bud Durland wrote: > The "good problem" is how to migrate everything to the new server. The > obvious answer is to use the server consolidation/migration utility, but I > wonder if this is also a very good opportunity to test our backup / recovery > process. Doing that is (I think) as simple(?) as promoting the other server > to be the master replica, remove eDir from the old server, build the new > server "bare" with the same name and IP address, add it to eDir, then use > the restore process to put files back. On cursory look this should work, but it involves more downtime compared to the migration utility, where you can copy most of the stuff over before actually replacing the server. > Also, does the SCMU require that the target server use OES/Linux? I'm still > a bit leary of that. We have *no* in-house expertise on Linux; the only > skills we have are from reading manuals and hard experience. I'm especially > concerned that the update/patch process is less than ideal. I realize that > Linux is the future, but the implications of a mis-step for the company are > significant. > > Also, we recently added Active Directory to our network. So did we, but we managed to do so without adding any Windows servers. Just installed a couple of OES/Linux servers with Domain Services for Windows. Another reason to consider OES/Linux - probably not for this migration, but next year :) -- Toomas Aas ... Drive A: not responding...Formatting C: instead. From budthegrey at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 17:08:44 2009 From: budthegrey at gmail.com (Bud Durland) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:08:44 -0400 Subject: A good problem to have In-Reply-To: <4AE87611.4050004@raad.tartu.ee> References: <509526700910280759l6cb7e961i81e55cfb7de7dd2d@mail.gmail.com> <4AE87611.4050004@raad.tartu.ee> Message-ID: <509526700910281008h190f973eh4ccba7a0f1fece2b@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Toomas Aas wrote: > Bud Durland wrote: > > On cursory look this should work, but it involves more downtime compared to > the migration utility, where you can copy most of the stuff over before > actually replacing the server. I'll probably have an entire weekend to do the project, so time is not a big deal. However, it would give me a chance to do some house keeping an review ("Does anyone use that print queue any more?") > > So did we, but we managed to do so without adding any Windows servers. Just > installed a couple of OES/Linux servers with Domain Services for Windows. > Another reason to consider OES/Linux - probably not for this migration, but > next year :) > I'm still not sure what Domain Services for Windows offers me; I'll need to RTFM to get up to speed. -- ---------------------------------------------------------- I'm in my own little world. But that's OK, because they all know me here. From dmoon at peru.k12.in.us Wed Oct 28 16:09:12 2009 From: dmoon at peru.k12.in.us (Dave Moon) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:09:12 -0400 Subject: First OES2 w/linux server Message-ID: <4AE84279.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us> building our first linux server with OES2 on it. I have installed the SLES and have the drives setup using linux. 169 gig drives. OES2 won't install saying a problem with nss. I realize I partitioned the drives as reiserFS and that is most likely my problem but do not see another choice. Can someone point me to a quick document of steps to do this properly. The linux system partition is about 50 gig and 12 for the swap. The rest is /usr. do I just need to delete usr create a different way? Thanks for any help. dave Dave Moon A+ Peru Community Schools 401 N. Broadway Peru, IN 46970 765-473-3081 fax 765-472-5129 From budthegrey at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 17:13:35 2009 From: budthegrey at gmail.com (Bud Durland) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:13:35 -0400 Subject: A good problem to have In-Reply-To: <4AE85EA0.5080102@oucs.ox.ac.uk> References: <509526700910280759l6cb7e961i81e55cfb7de7dd2d@mail.gmail.com> <4AE85EA0.5080102@oucs.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: <509526700910281013n21370125sbb525cf9b4338987@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Joe R. Doupnik wrote: > ---------------- > My general advice is avoid burning bridges. Yet SCMT wants to apply an > eDir torch to the original. > If you were to do the full identity transfer operation, then eDir can be > replaced on the source provided you > pay careful attention to where the save files are hidden (shown on the > screen). > SCMT really has not head of Linux. It is for NW, which is youir > situation. > My other bit of free advice is practice your choices on spare/virtual > machines which are off the net. > Btw, SP8 for NW has been out for a long time. Hint, hint. > Good advice all around; thanks. I realize that SP8 has been out, but it's a case not fixing what isn't broke. I had to take the server down for a scheduled power outage, and it had 200+ days on it. I will be updating both servers to SP8 a few days ahead of the migration so it can percolate. I seem to recall reading here that SCMT works best if the server(s) in question have IPX available. Is that still true, or do I have antiquated information? -- ---------------------------------------------------------- I'm in my own little world. But that's OK, because they all know me here. From toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee Wed Oct 28 17:18:06 2009 From: toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee (Toomas Aas) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:18:06 +0200 Subject: A good problem to have In-Reply-To: <509526700910281008h190f973eh4ccba7a0f1fece2b@mail.gmail.com> References: <509526700910280759l6cb7e961i81e55cfb7de7dd2d@mail.gmail.com> <4AE87611.4050004@raad.tartu.ee> <509526700910281008h190f973eh4ccba7a0f1fece2b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE87CCE.8090208@raad.tartu.ee> Bud Durland wrote: > > I'm still not sure what Domain Services for Windows offers me; I'll need to > RTFM to get up to speed. > If you already have AD implemented, it may not be worth the trouble. But having DSfW essentially has the effect that your existing eDir users also 'work' as AD users - you won't have two separate security infrastructures nor any need to keep accounts synchronized between them. -- Toomas ... Fear of crowded holiday shopping: Santaclaustrophobia. From smf34 at cam.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 17:26:34 2009 From: smf34 at cam.ac.uk (Simon Flood) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:26:34 +0000 Subject: First OES2 w/linux server In-Reply-To: <4AE84279.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us> References: <4AE84279.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us> Message-ID: <4AE87ECA.7080503@cam.ac.uk> On 28/10/2009 16:09, Dave Moon wrote: > building our first linux server with OES2 on it. > > I have installed the SLES and have the drives setup using linux. 169 gig drives. OES2 won't install saying a problem with nss. > > I realize I partitioned the drives as reiserFS and that is most likely my problem but do not see another choice. > > Can someone point me to a quick document of steps to do this properly. > > The linux system partition is about 50 gig and 12 for the swap. The rest is /usr. > > do I just need to delete usr create a different way? > > Thanks for any help. If you have a single disk system then you must configure EVMS during the install if you want to use NSS on that disk. If you have multiple disks then you should not set up any partitions on disks you want to use NSS on. HTH, Simon From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 17:33:21 2009 From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (jrd) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:33:21 +0000 Subject: First OES2 w/linux server In-Reply-To: <4AE84279.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us> References: <4AE84279.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us> Message-ID: <4AE88061.3030704@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Dave Moon wrote: > building our first linux server with OES2 on it. > > I have installed the SLES and have the drives setup using linux. 169 gig drives. OES2 won't install saying a problem with nss. > > I realize I partitioned the drives as reiserFS and that is most likely my problem but do not see another choice. > > Can someone point me to a quick document of steps to do this properly. > > The linux system partition is about 50 gig and 12 for the swap. The rest is /usr. > > do I just need to delete usr create a different way? > > Thanks for any help. > > dave > > Dave Moon A+ > Peru Community Schools > 401 N. Broadway > Peru, IN 46970 > 765-473-3081 > fax 765-472-5129 > --------- Dave, You have two problems. Best avoid ReiserFS; development has largely ceased. It is also fragile. Prefer XFS for /. Second, NSS goes onto other drives, not onto the system drive. Please don't even think about trying to share a drive between the o/s and NSS, though it can be done. Joe D. From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org Wed Oct 28 17:43:44 2009 From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:43:44 -0400 Subject: First OES2 w/Linux server In-Reply-To: <4AE88061.3030704@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> References: <4AE84279.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us> <4AE88061.3030704@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: Joe speaks the truth. What i some times have done if I want to have NSS volumes local on the server (most of mine are iSCSI) and you have a RAID card is to carve out separate disk, containers or whatever the RAID vendor calls it for SLES and NSS and go from there. I usually go with RAID 5 because I usually have 3 drive but I know that Joe and others have suggested RAID 1 for SLES system disks. HTH T2 jrd To Sent by: Novell LAN Interest Group novell-bounces at ne tlab1.oucs.ox.ac. cc uk Subject Re: First OES2 w/linux server 10/28/2009 01:33 PM Please respond to Novell LAN Interest Group Dave Moon wrote: > building our first linux server with OES2 on it. > > I have installed the SLES and have the drives setup using linux. 169 gig drives. OES2 won't install saying a problem with nss. > > I realize I partitioned the drives as reiserFS and that is most likely my problem but do not see another choice. > > Can someone point me to a quick document of steps to do this properly. > > The linux system partition is about 50 gig and 12 for the swap. The rest is /usr. > > do I just need to delete usr create a different way? > > Thanks for any help. > > dave > > Dave Moon A+ > Peru Community Schools > 401 N. Broadway > Peru, IN 46970 > 765-473-3081 > fax 765-472-5129 > --------- Dave, You have two problems. Best avoid ReiserFS; development has largely ceased. It is also fragile. Prefer XFS for /. Second, NSS goes onto other drives, not onto the system drive. Please don't even think about trying to share a drive between the o/s and NSS, though it can be done. 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OES2 won't install saying a problem with nss. > > I realize I partitioned the drives as reiserFS and that is most likely my problem but do not see another choice. > > Can someone point me to a quick document of steps to do this properly. > > The linux system partition is about 50 gig and 12 for the swap. The rest is /usr. > > do I just need to delete usr create a different way? > > Thanks for any help. > > dave > > Dave Moon A+ > Peru Community Schools > 401 N. Broadway > Peru, IN 46970 > 765-473-3081 > fax 765-472-5129 > Dave, A followup. 12GB for swap? Much overkill. Here is a useful suggestion, which boils down to "read more about it" Visit the list's archives and search for previous discussions of Linux installation. Here is a quick bit of guidance: /boot EXT2 64MB swap swap 512MB / XFS 20GB or so userstuff NSS on other drives Created in the the order shown above. Put GRUB on /boot. Keep the operating system as well separated from user material as you can. I hope this is a test machine, because there are many decisions to make and they require knowledge and experience to do properly for a particular installation. Each of us has gone through this learning experience; now it is your turn. Normally at this point I would suggest another round of my Linux installation course, as a multiple day web cast. We can't do that until after the first of the new year, alas, because tomorrow I am off on the start of the six week speaking tour (first stop Cape Town) which we (MindworksUK) have advertised. Joe D. From alandpearson at yahoo.com Wed Oct 28 17:52:55 2009 From: alandpearson at yahoo.com (Alan Pearson) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:52:55 -0000 (GMT) Subject: First OES2 w/linux server In-Reply-To: <4AE88061.3030704@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> References: <4AE84279.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us> <4AE88061.3030704@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: <51891.88.211.54.85.1256752375.squirrel@83.67.10.8> Ok I think you may have gone slightly wrong. When you do the SLES install, choose OES2 as an addon product CD. It will then give you the option to install the OES stuff. Disagree with the advice on the / fs choice, choose the default for that OS (SLES = reiser) which is IMHO stable, and performant. It is also supported by novell. SLES11 has moved to ext3 I believe, but that is a different discussion. XFS is not suitable for a / filesystem and is more specialist in it's use (large files, fast deletes). For support reasons, go with the tried and tested solution. Back to your NSS problem. The system drives are native Linux filesystem. NSS should not be used on them (not even on a partition of them) and should only be used on drives that do not contain the system. Maybe you could tell us more specifically the error you see and how you did the install ? -- AlanP On Wed, October 28, 2009 5:33 pm, jrd wrote: > Dave Moon wrote: >> building our first linux server with OES2 on it. >> >> I have installed the SLES and have the drives setup using linux. 169 >> gig drives. OES2 won't install saying a problem with nss. >> >> I realize I partitioned the drives as reiserFS and that is most likely >> my problem but do not see another choice. >> >> Can someone point me to a quick document of steps to do this properly. >> >> The linux system partition is about 50 gig and 12 for the swap. The >> rest is /usr. >> >> do I just need to delete usr create a different way? >> >> Thanks for any help. >> >> dave >> >> Dave Moon A+ >> Peru Community Schools >> 401 N. Broadway >> Peru, IN 46970 >> 765-473-3081 >> fax 765-472-5129 >> > --------- > Dave, > You have two problems. > Best avoid ReiserFS; development has largely ceased. It is also fragile. > Prefer XFS for /. > Second, NSS goes onto other drives, not onto the system drive. Please > don't even think > about trying to share a drive between the o/s and NSS, though it can be > done. > Joe D. > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell > From alandpearson at yahoo.com Wed Oct 28 17:55:21 2009 From: alandpearson at yahoo.com (Alan Pearson) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:55:21 -0000 (GMT) Subject: A good problem to have In-Reply-To: <509526700910281008h190f973eh4ccba7a0f1fece2b@mail.gmail.com> References: <509526700910280759l6cb7e961i81e55cfb7de7dd2d@mail.gmail.com> <4AE87611.4050004@raad.tartu.ee> <509526700910281008h190f973eh4ccba7a0f1fece2b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <51949.88.211.54.85.1256752521.squirrel@83.67.10.8> Sorry to steal this thread, but what do you think about DSFW ? It's been on my radar for 2 years since it was announced, but I really can't see the benefit (except if you really need AD presentation). You can't have the novell client on the workstations that are in DSFW domain, which is a major loss (think login scripts + ZW intergration) I'm also not sure how multisite would work with each edir partition being a separate 'domain' ? -- AlanP On Wed, October 28, 2009 5:08 pm, Bud Durland wrote: > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Toomas Aas > wrote: > >> Bud Durland wrote: >> >> On cursory look this should work, but it involves more downtime compared >> to >> the migration utility, where you can copy most of the stuff over before >> actually replacing the server. > > > > I'll probably have an entire weekend to do the project, so time is not a > big > deal. However, it would give me a chance to do some house keeping an > review > ("Does anyone use that print queue any more?") > > > >> >> So did we, but we managed to do so without adding any Windows servers. >> Just >> installed a couple of OES/Linux servers with Domain Services for >> Windows. >> Another reason to consider OES/Linux - probably not for this migration, >> but >> next year :) >> > > > I'm still not sure what Domain Services for Windows offers me; I'll need > to > RTFM to get up to speed. > > > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------- > I'm in my own little world. But that's OK, > because they all know me here. > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell > From alandpearson at yahoo.com Wed Oct 28 17:57:41 2009 From: alandpearson at yahoo.com (Alan Pearson) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:57:41 -0000 (GMT) Subject: First OES2 w/linux server In-Reply-To: <4AE87ECA.7080503@cam.ac.uk> References: <4AE84279.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us> <4AE87ECA.7080503@cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: <52023.88.211.54.85.1256752661.squirrel@83.67.10.8> > > If you have a single disk system then you must configure EVMS during the > install if you want to use NSS on that disk. > > If you have multiple disks then you should not set up any partitions on > disks you want to use NSS on. Trust me on this, I talk from bitter experience. EVMS sucks. You don't want it anywhere near your system disks. Ever. It also really hampers troubleshooting (try finding a live CD that can handle it) Stick with the native Linux system disks and use NSS for other filesystems on other disks. You'll thank me for this, you will ! :) AlanP From toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee Wed Oct 28 18:00:50 2009 From: toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee (Toomas Aas) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:00:50 +0200 Subject: First OES2 w/linux server In-Reply-To: <51891.88.211.54.85.1256752375.squirrel@83.67.10.8> References: <4AE84279.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us> <4AE88061.3030704@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <51891.88.211.54.85.1256752375.squirrel@83.67.10.8> Message-ID: <4AE886D2.5090608@raad.tartu.ee> Alan Pearson wrote: > I think you may have gone slightly wrong. > When you do the SLES install, choose OES2 as an addon product CD. Maybe it's just me, but I prefer to first install SLES without the addon product, patch it up through the channel and then add OES2 as addon product. -- Toomas Aas ... Feeling compressed ARJ you? From dmoon at peru.k12.in.us Wed Oct 28 17:03:45 2009 From: dmoon at peru.k12.in.us (Dave Moon) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:03:45 -0400 Subject: First OES2 w/linux server In-Reply-To: <4AE884E9.6030007@oucs.ox.ac.uk> References: <4AE84279.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us> <4AE884E9.6030007@oucs.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4AE84F42.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us> Thanks Joe, I realize it is a learning curve and yes this is strictly a play and learning server. I can kill it and start over as often as needed. I have done several sled builds but this is the first server. Have fun on your tour. dave Dave Moon A+ Peru Community Schools 401 N. Broadway Peru, IN 46970 765-473-3081 fax 765-472-5129 >>> Joe Doupnik 10/28/2009 1:52:41 pm >>> Dave Moon wrote: > building our first linux server with OES2 on it. > > I have installed the SLES and have the drives setup using linux. 169 gig drives. OES2 won't install saying a problem with nss. > > I realize I partitioned the drives as reiserFS and that is most likely my problem but do not see another choice. > > Can someone point me to a quick document of steps to do this properly. > > The linux system partition is about 50 gig and 12 for the swap. The rest is /usr. > > do I just need to delete usr create a different way? > > Thanks for any help. > > dave > > Dave Moon A+ > Peru Community Schools > 401 N. Broadway > Peru, IN 46970 > 765-473-3081 > fax 765-472-5129 > Dave, A followup. 12GB for swap? Much overkill. Here is a useful suggestion, which boils down to "read more about it" Visit the list's archives and search for previous discussions of Linux installation. Here is a quick bit of guidance: /boot EXT2 64MB swap swap 512MB / XFS 20GB or so userstuff NSS on other drives Created in the the order shown above. Put GRUB on /boot. Keep the operating system as well separated from user material as you can. I hope this is a test machine, because there are many decisions to make and they require knowledge and experience to do properly for a particular installation. Each of us has gone through this learning experience; now it is your turn. Normally at this point I would suggest another round of my Linux installation course, as a multiple day web cast. We can't do that until after the first of the new year, alas, because tomorrow I am off on the start of the six week speaking tour (first stop Cape Town) which we (MindworksUK) have advertised. Joe D. _______________________________________________ Novell mailing list Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell From joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 18:07:07 2009 From: joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe Doupnik) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:07:07 +0000 Subject: First OES2 w/linux server In-Reply-To: <51891.88.211.54.85.1256752375.squirrel@83.67.10.8> References: <4AE84279.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us> <4AE88061.3030704@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <51891.88.211.54.85.1256752375.squirrel@83.67.10.8> Message-ID: <4AE8884B.70400@oucs.ox.ac.uk> Alan Pearson wrote: > Ok > > I think you may have gone slightly wrong. > When you do the SLES install, choose OES2 as an addon product CD. > It will then give you the option to install the OES stuff. > > Disagree with the advice on the / fs choice, choose the default for that > OS (SLES = reiser) which is IMHO stable, and performant. It is also > supported by novell. SLES11 has moved to ext3 I believe, but that is a > different discussion. XFS is not suitable for a / filesystem and is more > specialist in it's use (large files, fast deletes). For support reasons, > go with the tried and tested solution. > > Just a comment on this. Novell/SUSE support all the offered file systems. XFS is indeed well suited for / and it is not at all a specialist scheme. I deal with file systems in some detail. Joe D. From alandpearson at yahoo.com Wed Oct 28 18:21:16 2009 From: alandpearson at yahoo.com (Alan Pearson) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:21:16 -0000 (GMT) Subject: First OES2 w/linux server In-Reply-To: <4AE8884B.70400@oucs.ox.ac.uk> References: <4AE84279.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us> <4AE88061.3030704@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <51891.88.211.54.85.1256752375.squirrel@83.67.10.8> <4AE8884B.70400@oucs.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: <53314.88.211.54.85.1256754076.squirrel@83.67.10.8> Joe, Not going to get into an on list argument, but I also speak from some experience on XFS. It is specialist, and we used it on very large (16TB) filesystems dedicated to video servers, where it indeed rocked. It out performed everything else, period. Every filesystem has it advantages & disadvantages. XFS is designed to be BIG. It's not always about the perceived BEST system, it is the most appropriate for the job. Nearly every installed Linux system out there uses either EXT or REISER for /. There are many many reasons for this, but the key one is troubleshooting. I can pick up any live CD and it will see / and then I can use all the included tools to troubleshoot it. You also have to consider how much it is used, and the people who have knowledge off it. How many people know how to fix it when fsck doesn't work. I'm betting a lot more people know the reiser utilities (rebuild tree etc) than they do for XFS. XFS may be a fine filesystem, but for /, don't mess around. You'll be cursing when your rescue method can't see it. Having rescued many linux systems, the easiest option is always the best. You opinion may differ, but for 95% of OES servers, the default FS is the one to choose. my 2pence, as Linux admin with 15 years experience. AlanP -- AlanP On Wed, October 28, 2009 6:07 pm, Joe Doupnik wrote: > Alan Pearson wrote: >> Ok >> >> I think you may have gone slightly wrong. >> When you do the SLES install, choose OES2 as an addon product CD. >> It will then give you the option to install the OES stuff. >> >> Disagree with the advice on the / fs choice, choose the default for that >> OS (SLES = reiser) which is IMHO stable, and performant. It is also >> supported by novell. SLES11 has moved to ext3 I believe, but that is a >> different discussion. XFS is not suitable for a / filesystem and is more >> specialist in it's use (large files, fast deletes). For support reasons, >> go with the tried and tested solution. >> >> > Just a comment on this. Novell/SUSE support all the offered file > systems. XFS is indeed > well suited for / and it is not at all a specialist scheme. I deal with > file systems in some detail. > Joe D. > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell > From Tim at nds8.co.uk Wed Oct 28 18:33:39 2009 From: Tim at nds8.co.uk (Tim Heywood) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:33:39 +0000 Subject: A good problem to have In-Reply-To: <509526700910281013n21370125sbb525cf9b4338987@mail.gmail.com> References: <509526700910280759l6cb7e961i81e55cfb7de7dd2d@mail.gmail.com> <4AE85EA0.5080102@oucs.ox.ac.uk> <509526700910281013n21370125sbb525cf9b4338987@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE88E83020000BB0003F3AE@mail2.nds8.com> I believe that it works best when the NW servers have the SPX primative available - to do that just add a serverid in the autoexec and that will start the SPX primatives HTH T PS I like serverid deadbeef or serverid badcafe or serverid 666 -- Tim Heywood NDS8 Novell Platinum Solution Provider Office: +44 (0) 131 538 8202 Mobile: +44 (0) 7974 134264>>> On 28 October 2009 at 17:13, Bud Durland wrote: > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Joe R. 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From joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 18:40:59 2009 From: joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe Doupnik) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:40:59 +0000 Subject: First OES2 w/linux server In-Reply-To: <4AE886D2.5090608@raad.tartu.ee> References: <4AE84279.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us> <4AE88061.3030704@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <51891.88.211.54.85.1256752375.squirrel@83.67.10.8> <4AE886D2.5090608@raad.tartu.ee> Message-ID: <4AE8903B.2010206@oucs.ox.ac.uk> Toomas Aas wrote: > Alan Pearson wrote: > > >> I think you may have gone slightly wrong. >> When you do the SLES install, choose OES2 as an addon product CD. >> > > Maybe it's just me, but I prefer to first install SLES without the addon > product, patch it up through the channel and then add OES2 as addon product. > > -- > Toomas Aas > ... Feeling compressed ARJ you? > -------------- The safest approach is install SLES, polish it but do not patch it nor subscribe to Novell Customer Center. Reboot and then install OES2 as an add-on product. This uses the pre-tested coherent pair, not a mixture of old and new material with strange dependencies. When all this is done then register with NCC and patch the system. Joe D. From KPARRIS at ed.sc.gov Wed Oct 28 18:55:11 2009 From: KPARRIS at ed.sc.gov (Kevin Parris) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:55:11 -0400 Subject: A good problem to have In-Reply-To: <509526700910280759l6cb7e961i81e55cfb7de7dd2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <509526700910280759l6cb7e961i81e55cfb7de7dd2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE85B4F02000018005026CF@sdecl2.ed.sc.gov> On the one part of your message excerpted below, I offer an idea. Take the least-destructive approach, at least for a test scenario. On the new hardware build a bare system, connect it and your backup/recover system to physically separate infrastructure - leave NOTHING that would allow either of them to make any contact at all with the live production systems, not the same switch/hub/router or anything. Because you don't want something to get screwed up if anything goes flaky. Then find out if you can recover the "old" identity and content onto the new hardware. Once you know that works, you have two things: 1) a successful practice run of your disaster recovery plan (which you will, of course, document carefully); 2) run-time information (how long does a restore of N Gig actually take) to consider as you evaluate which method to use for the 'real' migration. >>> Bud Durland 10/28/09 10:59 AM >>> wonder if this is also a very good opportunity to test our backup / recovery process. Doing that is (I think) as simple(?) as promoting the other server to be the master replica, remove eDir from the old server, build the new server "bare" with the same name and IP address, add it to eDir, then use the restore process to put files back. From joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 19:02:53 2009 From: joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe Doupnik) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:02:53 +0000 Subject: First OES2 w/linux server In-Reply-To: <53314.88.211.54.85.1256754076.squirrel@83.67.10.8> References: <4AE84279.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us> <4AE88061.3030704@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <51891.88.211.54.85.1256752375.squirrel@83.67.10.8> <4AE8884B.70400@oucs.ox.ac.uk> <53314.88.211.54.85.1256754076.squirrel@83.67.10.8> Message-ID: <4AE8955D.2080107@oucs.ox.ac.uk> Alan Pearson wrote: > Joe, > > Not going to get into an on list argument, but I also speak from some > experience on XFS. > It is specialist, and we used it on very large (16TB) filesystems > dedicated to video servers, where it indeed rocked. It out performed > everything else, period. > > Every filesystem has it advantages & disadvantages. XFS is designed to be > BIG. > > It's not always about the perceived BEST system, it is the most > appropriate for the job. > > Nearly every installed Linux system out there uses either EXT or REISER > for /. > There are many many reasons for this, but the key one is troubleshooting. > I can pick up any live CD and it will see / and then I can use all the > included tools to troubleshoot it. > You also have to consider how much it is used, and the people who have > knowledge off it. > How many people know how to fix it when fsck doesn't work. I'm betting a > lot more people know the reiser utilities (rebuild tree etc) than they do > for XFS. > > > XFS may be a fine filesystem, but for /, don't mess around. You'll be > cursing when your rescue method can't see it. Having rescued many linux > systems, the easiest option is always the best. > > You opinion may differ, but for 95% of OES servers, the default FS is the > one to choose. > > my 2pence, as Linux admin with 15 years experience. > > AlanP > > --------- Alan, It is interesting how people's perspectives and experiences vary over such issues. Rescue of stranded servers is very high on my requirements list, having lived many tales of horror on this through the decades. XFS is readily used from the SLES boot disk, I do so from time to time for various other reasons. It performs well for large and small files and scales very well to large sizes and quantities of them. I can't say that for EXT2/3. Recovery from dinged file systems is another serious matter. ReiserFS has the worst reputation; when it breaks it does so in grand style so be prepared for a very long time recovering (if you can, only one copy of the superblock). EXT3 needs fsck badly, and fsck is forced upon users after awhile, so be prepared for a very long boot now and then. XFS rarely needs this and does not force fsck upon us, but I have managed to clobber XFS and have recovered in reasonable fashion. No file system is perfect, etc. Trying to fix a SLES machine from a say Ubuntu or Red Hat boot disk is rather asking for trouble, but these can be done (for RH anyway, dunno about consumer grade Ubuntu). "Dance with the one who brought you." If I might be bold here, readers should be aware that knowledge is needed, hard won by personal experience plus sage advice, while emotional arguments should be set to one side. Verifiable facts, not urban legend, nor personal opinion. In the case at hand read the comments, give thought to them, research other material, form an educated view, test and test again. For the curious, I started with AT&T Unix edition 6, back when C would say i =+ 5, and have an original Unix source code license. That's several eons ago, mid 70's. I must admit to have ignored Linux until many years later; there were far better o/s's of interest then. Times have changed, even though many discussions seem to repeat themselves. Joe D. From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 19:27:49 2009 From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (jrd) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:27:49 +0000 Subject: First OES2 w/linux server In-Reply-To: <4AE8884B.70400@oucs.ox.ac.uk> References: <4AE84279.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us> <4AE88061.3030704@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <51891.88.211.54.85.1256752375.squirrel@83.67.10.8> <4AE8884B.70400@oucs.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4AE89B35.6070604@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> A btw while we natter on about file systems for Linux. Something which we should keep an eye on is the new Btrfs. It has the hall marks of a first class design with very good features. It is more comprehensive than XFS or ZFS. EXT4 seems to have stumbled coming out of the gate, so I have put it into the status of "interim and pending." A preliminary version of Btrfs is in the latest Linux kernels, minus production level support utilities and Grub details, but let all that (including EXT4) cook for another year or so. Btrfs progress is worth monitoring. Also, as many readers likely know already, Novell/SUSE is moving away from EVMS and will have a suitable replacement. Whether that will be LVM2, as many hope, or an equivalent is not yet known. EVMS users will not be stranded, however, for both support and migration. Joe D. From alandpearson at yahoo.com Wed Oct 28 19:35:50 2009 From: alandpearson at yahoo.com (Alan Pearson) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:35:50 +0000 Subject: First OES2 w/linux server In-Reply-To: <4AE89B35.6070604@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> References: <4AE84279.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us> <4AE88061.3030704@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <51891.88.211.54.85.1256752375.squirrel@83.67.10.8> <4AE8884B.70400@oucs.ox.ac.uk> <4AE89B35.6070604@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: <9AB13133-BB3D-4183-A473-E8E995C2C6B4@yahoo.com> Yes it does look promising, very like ZFS, my only worry is maturity. The sooner we get to the storage abstracted stage (like ZFS / BTRFS) the better. EXT4, yeah agreed, it hasn't been well received or adopted. Maybe cause ext3 is just good enough for most people. ZFS really shook up the filesystem world, pity Apple have just dropped it like a hot brick. --- AlanP On 28 Oct 2009, at 19:27, jrd wrote: > A btw while we natter on about file systems for Linux. > Something which we should keep an eye on is the new Btrfs. It has > the hall marks of a first class design with very good features. > It is more comprehensive than XFS or ZFS. EXT4 seems to have > stumbled coming out of the gate, so I have put it into the status > of "interim and pending." A preliminary version of Btrfs is in the > latest Linux kernels, minus production level support utilities and > Grub details, but let all that (including EXT4) cook for another year > or so. Btrfs progress is worth monitoring. > Also, as many readers likely know already, Novell/SUSE is > moving away from EVMS and will have a suitable replacement. Whether > that will be LVM2, as many hope, or an equivalent is not yet known. > EVMS users will not be stranded, however, for both support and > migration. > Joe D. > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell From alandpearson at yahoo.com Wed Oct 28 19:39:46 2009 From: alandpearson at yahoo.com (Alan Pearson) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:39:46 +0000 Subject: First OES2 w/linux server In-Reply-To: <4AE8955D.2080107@oucs.ox.ac.uk> References: <4AE84279.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us> <4AE88061.3030704@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <51891.88.211.54.85.1256752375.squirrel@83.67.10.8> <4AE8884B.70400@oucs.ox.ac.uk> <53314.88.211.54.85.1256754076.squirrel@83.67.10.8> <4AE8955D.2080107@oucs.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: <6D5B51A1-B0CB-4BE1-85E3-314AB73134BB@yahoo.com> And there's me thinking you were a Netware diehard ;) Agree with everything you say except the live CD part, linux is linux, and the SLES rescue mode isn't all that good. There are dedicated rescue disks with much better tools on out there... One example is we were installing SLED on a laptop, and by hook or crook it would not resize the NTFS filesystem. ntfs_resize was borked. Booted up from a Knoppix CD, ntfs_resize worked, installed SLED. Thats one of the things a lot of people don't get (especially the Ubuntards) Linux is Linux no matter who's name is on the cover ! Right I'm off to try and make sense of this wonderful Novell product called Identity manager ! Enjoy ! --- AlanP On 28 Oct 2009, at 19:02, Joe Doupnik wrote: > Alan Pearson wrote: >> Joe, >> >> Not going to get into an on list argument, but I also speak from some >> experience on XFS. >> It is specialist, and we used it on very large (16TB) filesystems >> dedicated to video servers, where it indeed rocked. It out performed >> everything else, period. >> >> Every filesystem has it advantages & disadvantages. XFS is designed >> to be >> BIG. >> >> It's not always about the perceived BEST system, it is the most >> appropriate for the job. >> >> Nearly every installed Linux system out there uses either EXT or >> REISER >> for /. >> There are many many reasons for this, but the key one is >> troubleshooting. >> I can pick up any live CD and it will see / and then I can use all >> the >> included tools to troubleshoot it. >> You also have to consider how much it is used, and the people who >> have >> knowledge off it. >> How many people know how to fix it when fsck doesn't work. I'm >> betting a >> lot more people know the reiser utilities (rebuild tree etc) than >> they do >> for XFS. >> >> >> XFS may be a fine filesystem, but for /, don't mess around. You'll be >> cursing when your rescue method can't see it. Having rescued many >> linux >> systems, the easiest option is always the best. >> >> You opinion may differ, but for 95% of OES servers, the default FS >> is the >> one to choose. >> >> my 2pence, as Linux admin with 15 years experience. >> >> AlanP >> >> > --------- > Alan, > It is interesting how people's perspectives and experiences vary > over such issues. > Rescue of stranded servers is very high on my requirements list, > having lived many > tales of horror on this through the decades. > XFS is readily used from the SLES boot disk, I do so from time to > time for various > other reasons. It performs well for large and small files and scales > very well to large > sizes and quantities of them. I can't say that for EXT2/3. > Recovery from dinged file systems is another serious matter. > ReiserFS has the worst > reputation; when it breaks it does so in grand style so be prepared > for a very long time > recovering (if you can, only one copy of the superblock). EXT3 needs > fsck badly, and > fsck is forced upon users after awhile, so be prepared for a very > long boot now and then. > XFS rarely needs this and does not force fsck upon us, but I have > managed to clobber > XFS and have recovered in reasonable fashion. No file system is > perfect, etc. > Trying to fix a SLES machine from a say Ubuntu or Red Hat boot > disk is rather asking > for trouble, but these can be done (for RH anyway, dunno about > consumer grade Ubuntu). > "Dance with the one who brought you." > If I might be bold here, readers should be aware that knowledge is > needed, hard won > by personal experience plus sage advice, while emotional arguments > should be set to > one side. Verifiable facts, not urban legend, nor personal opinion. > In the case at hand read > the comments, give thought to them, research other material, form an > educated view, > test and test again. > For the curious, I started with AT&T Unix edition 6, back when C > would say i =+ 5, and > have an original Unix source code license. That's several eons ago, > mid 70's. I must admit > to have ignored Linux until many years later; there were far better > o/s's of interest then. Times > have changed, even though many discussions seem to repeat themselves. > Joe D. > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 19:57:16 2009 From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (jrd) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:57:16 +0000 Subject: First OES2 w/linux server In-Reply-To: <9AB13133-BB3D-4183-A473-E8E995C2C6B4@yahoo.com> References: <4AE84279.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us> <4AE88061.3030704@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <51891.88.211.54.85.1256752375.squirrel@83.67.10.8> <4AE8884B.70400@oucs.ox.ac.uk> <4AE89B35.6070604@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <9AB13133-BB3D-4183-A473-E8E995C2C6B4@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AE8A21C.3030901@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Alan Pearson wrote: > Yes it does look promising, very like ZFS, my only worry is maturity. > The sooner we get to the storage abstracted stage (like ZFS / BTRFS) the > better. > > EXT4, yeah agreed, it hasn't been well received or adopted. > Maybe cause ext3 is just good enough for most people. > > ZFS really shook up the filesystem world, pity Apple have just dropped > it like a hot brick. > > --- > AlanP -------- Here we agree completely. Joe D. From budthegrey at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 20:24:39 2009 From: budthegrey at gmail.com (Bud Durland) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:24:39 -0400 Subject: A good problem to have In-Reply-To: <4AE85B4F02000018005026CF@sdecl2.ed.sc.gov> References: <509526700910280759l6cb7e961i81e55cfb7de7dd2d@mail.gmail.com> <4AE85B4F02000018005026CF@sdecl2.ed.sc.gov> Message-ID: <509526700910281324x466706b1m8dab6edbfc642184@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Kevin Parris wrote: > On the one part of your message excerpted below, I offer an idea. Take the > least-destructive approach, at least for a test scenario. On the new > hardware build a bare system, connect it and your backup/recover system to > physically separate infrastructure - leave NOTHING that would allow either > of them to make any contact at all with the live production systems, not the > same switch/hub/router or anything. Because you don't want something to get > screwed up if anything goes flaky. Then find out if you can recover the > "old" identity and content onto the new hardware. Once you know that works, > you have two things: 1) a successful practice run of your disaster recovery > plan (which you will, of course, document carefully); 2) run-time > information (how long does a restore of N Gig actually take) to consider as > you evaluate which method to use for the 'real' migration. > I thought about that; the problem is we do disk-to-disk backups, and the backup server is also responsible for backing up several other servers, and it is on the other side of the (very long) building. So, it may not be practical to but the backup server and the new one in their own sandbox. -- ---------------------------------------------------------- I'm in my own little world. But that's OK, because they all know me here. From toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee Wed Oct 28 20:39:19 2009 From: toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee (Toomas Aas) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:39:19 +0200 Subject: DSfW (Was: Re: A good problem to have) In-Reply-To: <51949.88.211.54.85.1256752521.squirrel@83.67.10.8> References: <509526700910280759l6cb7e961i81e55cfb7de7dd2d@mail.gmail.com> <4AE87611.4050004@raad.tartu.ee> <509526700910281008h190f973eh4ccba7a0f1fece2b@mail.gmail.com> <51949.88.211.54.85.1256752521.squirrel@83.67.10.8> Message-ID: <4AE8ABF7.7030105@raad.tartu.ee> Alan Pearson wrote: > Sorry to steal this thread, but what do you think about DSFW ? > It's been on my radar for 2 years since it was announced, but I really > can't see the benefit (except if you really need AD presentation). In my case I really did need AD presentation, because our financial services people were sold an ERP software that absolutely requires AD (being made in Redmond). > You can't have the novell client on the workstations that are in DSFW > domain, which is a major loss (think login scripts + ZW intergration) I have Novell client on workstations that are in DSfW domain. I also use Zenworks 7 Desktop Management, the agent is installed on workstations that are in DSfW domain and things are working. The only thing I changed was disabling DLU and letting the domain take care of local accounts on workstations. Don't try to come and tell me I can't have that ;) > I'm also not sure how multisite would work with each edir partition being > a separate 'domain' ? I don't have actual experience here (I have only one site) but what I remember from the docs, you create the first domain ('forest root domain') high in the tree, and subdomains under that (for example, O is the forest root domain and OUs can be subdomains). You can't have multiple domains in 'adjacent' containers (such as having two O's as domains) and no more than 10 total domains per tree. Some tree redesign might be required. -- Toomas Aas ... I haven't lost my mind; I know exactly where I left it. From alandpearson at yahoo.com Thu Oct 29 00:15:08 2009 From: alandpearson at yahoo.com (Alan Pearson) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:15:08 +0000 Subject: DSfW (Was: Re: A good problem to have) In-Reply-To: <4AE8ABF7.7030105@raad.tartu.ee> References: <509526700910280759l6cb7e961i81e55cfb7de7dd2d@mail.gmail.com> <4AE87611.4050004@raad.tartu.ee> <509526700910281008h190f973eh4ccba7a0f1fece2b@mail.gmail.com> <51949.88.211.54.85.1256752521.squirrel@83.67.10.8> <4AE8ABF7.7030105@raad.tartu.ee> Message-ID: Thanks for the info, very very useful Regarding the client, Novell specifically state you shouldn't do that... http://www.novell.com/documentation/oes2/acc_dsfw_lx/?page=/documentation/oes2/acc_dsfw_lx/data/bookinfo.html Specifically : 10.2 Accessing Files by Using the Novell Client for Windows Organizations that have the Novell Client for Windows installed on Windows workstations can continue to use the standard NCP methods, such as Novell drive mappings, to access data that is located on NSS or NCP volumes on DSfW servers. IMPORTANT:Do not join workstations that use the Novell Client for Windows to the DSfW domain. Novell Client access and native Windows access to DSfW servers do not work well together on the same workstation. Now that really sucked for me, I raised it as a query with Novell and they stuck by the lines above. Interesting to hear it works for you though. --- AlanP On 28 Oct 2009, at 20:39, Toomas Aas wrote: > Alan Pearson wrote: > >> Sorry to steal this thread, but what do you think about DSFW ? >> It's been on my radar for 2 years since it was announced, but I >> really >> can't see the benefit (except if you really need AD presentation). > > In my case I really did need AD presentation, because our financial > services people were sold an ERP software that absolutely requires > AD (being made in Redmond). > >> You can't have the novell client on the workstations that are in DSFW >> domain, which is a major loss (think login scripts + ZW intergration) > > I have Novell client on workstations that are in DSfW domain. I also > use Zenworks 7 Desktop Management, the agent is installed on > workstations that are in DSfW domain and things are working. The > only thing I changed was disabling DLU and letting the domain take > care of local accounts on workstations. > > Don't try to come and tell me I can't have that ;) > >> I'm also not sure how multisite would work with each edir partition >> being >> a separate 'domain' ? > > I don't have actual experience here (I have only one site) but what > I remember from the docs, you create the first domain ('forest root > domain') high in the tree, and subdomains under that (for example, O > is the forest root domain and OUs can be subdomains). You can't have > multiple domains in 'adjacent' containers (such as having two O's as > domains) and no more than 10 total domains per tree. Some tree > redesign might be required. > > -- > Toomas Aas > ... I haven't lost my mind; I know exactly where I left it. > _______________________________________________ > Novell mailing list > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From dtran at ssc.ucla.edu Thu Oct 29 03:24:29 2009 From: dtran at ssc.ucla.edu (Daniel Tran) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:24:29 -0700 Subject: First OES2 w/linux server In-Reply-To: <4AE8955D.2080107@oucs.ox.ac.uk> References: <4AE84279.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us> <4AE88061.3030704@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <51891.88.211.54.85.1256752375.squirrel@83.67.10.8> <4AE8884B.70400@oucs.ox.ac.uk><53314.88.211.54.85.1256754076.squirrel@83.67.10.8> <4AE8955D.2080107@oucs.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: Wow Joe ... My first exposure to Unix was on AT&T 3B2 at UCSD in 84. I don't remember the version, but I think it was System V R2 Were you there at that time Joe ? Those days were fun... Daniel ------------------- ........ For the curious, I started with AT&T Unix edition 6, back when C would say i =+ 5, and have an original Unix source code license. That's several eons ago, mid 70's. I must admit to have ignored Linux until many years later; there were far better o/s's of interest then. Times have changed, even though many discussions seem to repeat themselves. Joe D. _______________________________________________ Novell mailing list Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell From toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee Thu Oct 29 05:52:55 2009 From: toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee (Toomas Aas) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:52:55 +0200 Subject: DSfW (Was: Re: A good problem to have) In-Reply-To: References: <509526700910280759l6cb7e961i81e55cfb7de7dd2d@mail.gmail.com> <4AE87611.4050004@raad.tartu.ee> <509526700910281008h190f973eh4ccba7a0f1fece2b@mail.gmail.com> <51949.88.211.54.85.1256752521.squirrel@83.67.10.8> <4AE8ABF7.7030105@raad.tartu.ee> Message-ID: <4AE92DB7.7000106@raad.tartu.ee> Alan Pearson wrote: > Regarding the client, Novell specifically state you shouldn't do that... > > IMPORTANT:Do not join workstations that use the Novell Client for > Windows to the DSfW domain. Novell Client access and native Windows > access to DSfW servers do not work well together on the same workstation. In our case the DSfW servers are not used for any kind of file serving - they act only as domain controllers. Considering all kinds of restrictions about what other services you can't run on the same box as DSfW I think this is a good approach. Maybe if I tried to create volumes on DSfW servers I'd have problems accessing them. -- Toomas Aas ... Key ring - a handy little gadget that allows you to lose all your keys at once. From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk Thu Oct 29 08:50:05 2009 From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (jrd) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:50:05 +0000 Subject: First OES2 w/linux server In-Reply-To: References: <4AE84279.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us> <4AE88061.3030704@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <51891.88.211.54.85.1256752375.squirrel@83.67.10.8> <4AE8884B.70400@oucs.ox.ac.uk><53314.88.211.54.85.1256754076.squirrel@83.67.10.8> <4AE8955D.2080107@oucs.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4AE9573D.2060207@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Daniel Tran wrote: > Wow Joe ... > > My first exposure to Unix was on AT&T 3B2 at UCSD in 84. I don't > remember the version, but I think it was System V R2 > Were you there at that time Joe ? > > Those days were fun... > > Daniel --------- Daniel, I picked up ATT Unix while doing beta testing of a DEC operating system and developing the IT facilities for my space physics colleagues. It was a curiosity, enough for me to emulate the Unix file system basics in the DEC VMS file system so that I could poke about at leisure. The DEC gear was due in part to what I helped design as the then NASA science internet. Years later AT&T asked me to write some comms software to support Lan Manager of the day. It was shipped in the box of SYS V. Since then I have poked Unix, taught the stuff, and then got more serious when Intel based versions arose. I did things for a number of utils and apps, some of which might still have my name in the docs or code. Linux came along much later, I sniffed at it, put it aside, waited, repeat. My file systems detailed work started with writing my own disk manager as back then almost none existed. It's a joke today, of course, but I was learning because I needed that disk for radio astronomy data. By this time my fingers were deep into Unix style systems, amongst others. About 10 years ago Linux progressed to the point of being mildly interesting, for me anyway. I enjoy working in operating systems, they being technical novels with plots and dragons to be slayed etc. That's my view, observing the thinking and struggles of designers. Thus my CS experience is self-taught. Over the past five or so years Linux has become usable by my standards and I have slowly moved over to it for most things. It's flexibility and comfortable working environment are the parts of interest, no religion involved. I speak the language. UCSD. I left there (APIS Dept) in 1976, moving to Utah, and more recently to the UK. Ken Bowles was the head of my project and he veered off to write UCSD Pascal and other things. Algol was the rage back then. I taught such things in parallel with physics. AT&T 3B2's. I have avoided those. Instead AT&T gave me a UnixPC to play with. 1 MHz Motorola CPU, 1 MB memory, 20 MB of slow hard disk, plus lots of floppies. It worked very well indeed. Yes, it is amazing what one can do with minimal resources if one is determined and clever, particularly when there are no alternatives. So, your 3B2 came along many years after I left UCSD. While all this has given me plenty of experience, I constantly learn new things in this business. Joe D. From Robrinsky at roillc.com Thu Oct 29 14:38:50 2009 From: Robrinsky at roillc.com (Robert Obrinsky) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:38:50 -0700 Subject: First OES2 w/linux server In-Reply-To: <4AE8A21C.3030901@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> References: <4AE84279.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us> <4AE88061.3030704@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <51891.88.211.54.85.1256752375.squirrel@83.67.10.8> <4AE8884B.70400@oucs.ox.ac.uk> <4AE89B35.6070604@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <9AB13133-BB3D-4183-A473-E8E995C2C6B4@yahoo.com> <4AE8A21C.3030901@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4AE9468A0200006D0002A73D@roi-03.roillc.com> Thank you both for a very interesting and educational discourse. I imagine this subject could be on its own list server. Robert W. Obrinsky President Robert Obrinsky Industries, LLC 1908 SE 45th Avenue Portland, OR 97215 503.719.4387 (Office) 203.273.7012 (Mobile) >>> jrd 10/28/2009 12:57 PM >>> Alan Pearson wrote: > Yes it does look promising, very like ZFS, my only worry is maturity. > The sooner we get to the storage abstracted stage (like ZFS / BTRFS) the > better. > > EXT4, yeah agreed, it hasn't been well received or adopted. > Maybe cause ext3 is just good enough for most people. > > ZFS really shook up the filesystem world, pity Apple have just dropped > it like a hot brick. > > --- > AlanP -------- Here we agree completely. Joe D. _______________________________________________ Novell mailing list Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell