From cmangiarelli at gmail.com  Tue Sep  1 19:13:05 2009
From: cmangiarelli at gmail.com (Christopher Mangiarelli)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 14:13:05 -0400
Subject: password change web utility - CIFS only clients
In-Reply-To: <167f4090908310919v5358aa94i2fdce20c5c44cf66@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330908310500q3493bdf3p812ed16d7f414a52@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A9BD30C020000AB0001CB1B@dylan.trident.acustica.co.uk>
	<68b791330908310550v636fa211ue831cc564462c876@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A9BDB92020000AB0001CB2F@dylan.trident.acustica.co.uk>
	<68b791330908310631x1f1ceecdxe584ae433c893b76@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A9BE86A020000AB0001CB36@dylan.trident.acustica.co.uk>
	<167f4090908310919v5358aa94i2fdce20c5c44cf66@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f47566ff0909011113k4a8572aetf511ee25295ea883@mail.gmail.com>

You can use iManager for password changes.  For small environments this
works fairly well.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Bill Brush <bbrush at gmail.com> wrote:

> FWIW, I would set up IDM to sync them, or Domain services.  Everything
> happens in the background and there's only one place to change your
> password.  The IDM AD driver is pretty robust and setting it up can be
> done in an afternoon.
>
> Bill
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From Hatchellb at vvc.edu  Wed Sep  2 18:38:37 2009
From: Hatchellb at vvc.edu (Brian Hatchell)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 10:38:37 -0700
Subject: Need some advice on security practices
Message-ID: <4A9E4B2D02000024000446DB@lola.vvc.edu>

Folks: (non-Novell related)
 
Right now we are allowing ssh on non-standard port 5555 to leave our
network.  I suspect that this is being used for tunneled browsing in
order to bypass legal and HR requirements for content, not to mention
the risk of the tunnel being open into our network.
 
The story that the department is giving is that they need students to
access their home computers through ssh.  My firewall (Fortinet
Fortiguard 620b) of course cannot man-in-the middle this protocol to
ensure policy is being enforced.
 
My main question is that is there a way I can provide remote access to
desktops off-campus with a protocol that can be monitored by my
firewall.  We need to present them with an alternative so we can close
this security hole.
 
Can someone give me some advice?
 
 
Brian Hatchell
Network Manager
Victor Valley College
760 245-4271 x2792

 For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public
relations, for Nature cannot be fooled ?Richard P. Feynman


Twitter:@vvcit or http://twitter.com/vvcit
Check my Blog at
http://gwcal.vvc.edu/mplusextranet/scp.dll/blog?user=hatchellb

From RGrein at tpchd.org  Wed Sep  2 22:15:32 2009
From: RGrein at tpchd.org (Randy Grein)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:15:32 -0700
Subject: Need some advice on security practices
In-Reply-To: <4A9E4B2D02000024000446DB@lola.vvc.edu>
References: <4A9E4B2D02000024000446DB@lola.vvc.edu>
Message-ID: <4A9E7E04020000720003B00F@health-mail2.tpchd.org>

I'm surprised - I was not aware there were HR and legal requirements for
students that would trump their privacy rights. They are, after all not
employees (HR should not be involved) and any way you look at it they
are independent entities with data they may be accessing you have no
rights to. Other than the possibility of data leakage which is likely
better solved by putting students in a DMZ separate from administration
I can't see a security hole here. Are you SURE you need to monitor
student traffic at this level? As in, a command by management; I
wouldn't want to take responsibility for this if you can avoid it - or
talk to legal counsel first.
 
Randy Grein
Sr. Network Engineer
(253)798-6443

>>> "Brian Hatchell" <Hatchellb at vvc.edu> 9/2/2009 10:38 AM >>>
Folks: (non-Novell related)

Right now we are allowing ssh on non-standard port 5555 to leave our
network.  I suspect that this is being used for tunneled browsing in
order to bypass legal and HR requirements for content, not to mention
the risk of the tunnel being open into our network.

The story that the department is giving is that they need students to
access their home computers through ssh.  My firewall (Fortinet
Fortiguard 620b) of course cannot man-in-the middle this protocol to
ensure policy is being enforced.

My main question is that is there a way I can provide remote access to
desktops off-campus with a protocol that can be monitored by my
firewall.  We need to present them with an alternative so we can close
this security hole.

Can someone give me some advice?


Brian Hatchell
Network Manager
Victor Valley College
760 245-4271 x2792

For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public
relations, for Nature cannot be fooled ?Richard P. Feynman


Twitter:@vvcit or http://twitter.com/vvcit
Check my Blog at
http://gwcal.vvc.edu/mplusextranet/scp.dll/blog?user=hatchellb

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From petervl at gmail.com  Wed Sep  2 22:24:42 2009
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 16:24:42 -0500
Subject: Need some advice on security practices
In-Reply-To: <4A9E7E04020000720003B00F@health-mail2.tpchd.org>
References: <4A9E4B2D02000024000446DB@lola.vvc.edu>
	<4A9E7E04020000720003B00F@health-mail2.tpchd.org>
Message-ID: <68b791330909021424q7dc2e7ebj6ed9aca066ff3376@mail.gmail.com>

I completely concur with Randy -- this kind of content monitoring is
offensive at best and very likely illegal in some contexts -- an
academic situation is NOT the same as a corporate one.

If it were me I would insist, if required by my job to perform these
functions, that I get a signed statement indicating that I have no
personal responsibility for it. I would very likely speak to a lawyer
to be sure before doing anything more.

Ick ....


------------------------------------------------------------
"I like flaws and feel more comfortable around people who have them. I
myself am made entirely of flaws, stitched together with good
intentions." Augusten Burroughs

http://www.the-brights.net
http://xkcd.com/167




On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Randy Grein<RGrein at tpchd.org> wrote:
> I'm surprised - I was not aware there were HR and legal requirements for
> students that would trump their privacy rights. They are, after all not
> employees (HR should not be involved) and any way you look at it they
> are independent entities with data they may be accessing you have no
> rights to. Other than the possibility of data leakage which is likely
> better solved by putting students in a DMZ separate from administration
> I can't see a security hole here. Are you SURE you need to monitor
> student traffic at this level? As in, a command by management; I
> wouldn't want to take responsibility for this if you can avoid it - or
> talk to legal counsel first.
>
> Randy Grein
> Sr. Network Engineer
> (253)798-6443
>
>>>> "Brian Hatchell" <Hatchellb at vvc.edu> 9/2/2009 10:38 AM >>>
> Folks: (non-Novell related)
>
> Right now we are allowing ssh on non-standard port 5555 to leave our
> network. ?I suspect that this is being used for tunneled browsing in
> order to bypass legal and HR requirements for content, not to mention
> the risk of the tunnel being open into our network.
>
> The story that the department is giving is that they need students to
> access their home computers through ssh. ?My firewall (Fortinet
> Fortiguard 620b) of course cannot man-in-the middle this protocol to
> ensure policy is being enforced.
>
> My main question is that is there a way I can provide remote access to
> desktops off-campus with a protocol that can be monitored by my
> firewall. ?We need to present them with an alternative so we can close
> this security hole.
>
> Can someone give me some advice?
>
>
> Brian Hatchell
> Network Manager
> Victor Valley College
> 760 245-4271 x2792
>
> For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public
> relations, for Nature cannot be fooled ?Richard P. Feynman
>
>
> Twitter:@vvcit or http://twitter.com/vvcit
> Check my Blog at
> http://gwcal.vvc.edu/mplusextranet/scp.dll/blog?user=hatchellb
>
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From Hatchellb at vvc.edu  Wed Sep  2 22:29:04 2009
From: Hatchellb at vvc.edu (Brian Hatchell)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:29:04 -0700
Subject: Need some advice on security practices
In-Reply-To: <68b791330909021424q7dc2e7ebj6ed9aca066ff3376@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A9E4B2D02000024000446DB@lola.vvc.edu>
	<4A9E7E04020000720003B00F@health-mail2.tpchd.org>
	<68b791330909021424q7dc2e7ebj6ed9aca066ff3376@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A9E813002000024000447AE@lola.vvc.edu>

You should read the Higher Education Act of 2008 HR 4137.  It REQUIRES
filtering in order to receive title funds.  I only wish that I had the
luxury of separating my educational from the admin networks here.
 
Brian Hatchell
Network Manager
Victor Valley College
760 245-4271 x2792

 For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public
relations, for Nature cannot be fooled ?Richard P. Feynman


Twitter:@vvcit or http://twitter.com/vvcit
Check my Blog at
http://gwcal.vvc.edu/mplusextranet/scp.dll/blog?user=hatchellb


>>> On 9/2/2009 at 2:24 PM, in message
<68b791330909021424q7dc2e7ebj6ed9aca066ff3376 at mail.gmail.com>, Peter Van
Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:

I completely concur with Randy -- this kind of content monitoring is
offensive at best and very likely illegal in some contexts -- an
academic situation is NOT the same as a corporate one.

If it were me I would insist, if required by my job to perform these
functions, that I get a signed statement indicating that I have no
personal responsibility for it. I would very likely speak to a lawyer
to be sure before doing anything more.

Ick ....


------------------------------------------------------------
"I like flaws and feel more comfortable around people who have them. I
myself am made entirely of flaws, stitched together with good
intentions." Augusten Burroughs

http://www.the-brights.net
http://xkcd.com/167




On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Randy Grein<RGrein at tpchd.org> wrote:
> I'm surprised - I was not aware there were HR and legal requirements
for
> students that would trump their privacy rights. They are, after all
not
> employees (HR should not be involved) and any way you look at it
they
> are independent entities with data they may be accessing you have no
> rights to. Other than the possibility of data leakage which is
likely
> better solved by putting students in a DMZ separate from
administration
> I can't see a security hole here. Are you SURE you need to monitor
> student traffic at this level? As in, a command by management; I
> wouldn't want to take responsibility for this if you can avoid it -
or
> talk to legal counsel first.
>
> Randy Grein
> Sr. Network Engineer
> (253)798-6443
>
>>>> "Brian Hatchell" <Hatchellb at vvc.edu> 9/2/2009 10:38 AM >>>
> Folks: (non-Novell related)
>
> Right now we are allowing ssh on non-standard port 5555 to leave our
> network.  I suspect that this is being used for tunneled browsing in
> order to bypass legal and HR requirements for content, not to
mention
> the risk of the tunnel being open into our network.
>
> The story that the department is giving is that they need students
to
> access their home computers through ssh.  My firewall (Fortinet
> Fortiguard 620b) of course cannot man-in-the middle this protocol to
> ensure policy is being enforced.
>
> My main question is that is there a way I can provide remote access
to
> desktops off-campus with a protocol that can be monitored by my
> firewall.  We need to present them with an alternative so we can
close
> this security hole.
>
> Can someone give me some advice?
>
>
> Brian Hatchell
> Network Manager
> Victor Valley College
> 760 245-4271 x2792
>
> For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over
public
> relations, for Nature cannot be fooled ?Richard P. Feynman
>
>
> Twitter:@vvcit or http://twitter.com/vvcit
> Check my Blog at
> http://gwcal.vvc.edu/mplusextranet/scp.dll/blog?user=hatchellb
>
>
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From RGrein at tpchd.org  Wed Sep  2 22:45:42 2009
From: RGrein at tpchd.org (Randy Grein)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:45:42 -0700
Subject: Need some advice on security practices
In-Reply-To: <4A9E813002000024000447AE@lola.vvc.edu>
References: <4A9E4B2D02000024000446DB@lola.vvc.edu>
	<4A9E7E04020000720003B00F@health-mail2.tpchd.org>
	<68b791330909021424q7dc2e7ebj6ed9aca066ff3376@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A9E813002000024000447AE@lola.vvc.edu>
Message-ID: <4A9E8516020000720003B01B@health-mail2.tpchd.org>

I feel for you. I haven't read the act so I'll assume you're correct
about the filtering requirement; hard to mistake something like that.
I'm not sure how this act affects things like TOR networks - if you're
required to monitor all channels and you don't control the workstations
(I assume you have students bringing their laptops in) it's a losing
proposition. In that case I'd block SSH and SSL communications from
students and let them know your hands are tied. Shouldn't take too long
to amend the act if it's as pervasive as all that.
 
Randy Grein
Sr. Network Engineer
(253)798-6443

>>> "Brian Hatchell" <Hatchellb at vvc.edu> 9/2/2009 2:29 PM >>>
You should read the Higher Education Act of 2008 HR 4137.  It REQUIRES
filtering in order to receive title funds.  I only wish that I had the
luxury of separating my educational from the admin networks here.

Brian Hatchell
Network Manager
Victor Valley College
760 245-4271 x2792

For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public
relations, for Nature cannot be fooled ?Richard P. Feynman


Twitter:@vvcit or http://twitter.com/vvcit
Check my Blog at
http://gwcal.vvc.edu/mplusextranet/scp.dll/blog?user=hatchellb


>>> On 9/2/2009 at 2:24 PM, in message
<68b791330909021424q7dc2e7ebj6ed9aca066ff3376 at mail.gmail.com>, Peter
Van
Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:

I completely concur with Randy -- this kind of content monitoring is
offensive at best and very likely illegal in some contexts -- an
academic situation is NOT the same as a corporate one.

If it were me I would insist, if required by my job to perform these
functions, that I get a signed statement indicating that I have no
personal responsibility for it. I would very likely speak to a lawyer
to be sure before doing anything more.

Ick ....


------------------------------------------------------------
"I like flaws and feel more comfortable around people who have them. I
myself am made entirely of flaws, stitched together with good
intentions." Augusten Burroughs

http://www.the-brights.net
http://xkcd.com/167




On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Randy Grein<RGrein at tpchd.org> wrote:
> I'm surprised - I was not aware there were HR and legal requirements
for
> students that would trump their privacy rights. They are, after all
not
> employees (HR should not be involved) and any way you look at it
they
> are independent entities with data they may be accessing you have no
> rights to. Other than the possibility of data leakage which is
likely
> better solved by putting students in a DMZ separate from
administration
> I can't see a security hole here. Are you SURE you need to monitor
> student traffic at this level? As in, a command by management; I
> wouldn't want to take responsibility for this if you can avoid it -
or
> talk to legal counsel first.
>
> Randy Grein
> Sr. Network Engineer
> (253)798-6443
>
>>>> "Brian Hatchell" <Hatchellb at vvc.edu> 9/2/2009 10:38 AM >>>
> Folks: (non-Novell related)
>
> Right now we are allowing ssh on non-standard port 5555 to leave our
> network.  I suspect that this is being used for tunneled browsing in
> order to bypass legal and HR requirements for content, not to
mention
> the risk of the tunnel being open into our network.
>
> The story that the department is giving is that they need students
to
> access their home computers through ssh.  My firewall (Fortinet
> Fortiguard 620b) of course cannot man-in-the middle this protocol to
> ensure policy is being enforced.
>
> My main question is that is there a way I can provide remote access
to
> desktops off-campus with a protocol that can be monitored by my
> firewall.  We need to present them with an alternative so we can
close
> this security hole.
>
> Can someone give me some advice?
>
>
> Brian Hatchell
> Network Manager
> Victor Valley College
> 760 245-4271 x2792
>
> For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over
public
> relations, for Nature cannot be fooled ?Richard P. Feynman
>
>
> Twitter:@vvcit or http://twitter.com/vvcit
> Check my Blog at
> http://gwcal.vvc.edu/mplusextranet/scp.dll/blog?user=hatchellb
>
>
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From cal.frye at oberlin.edu  Wed Sep  2 22:50:02 2009
From: cal.frye at oberlin.edu (Cal Frye)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 17:50:02 -0400
Subject: Need some advice on security practices
In-Reply-To: <4A9E813002000024000447AE@lola.vvc.edu>
References: <4A9E4B2D02000024000446DB@lola.vvc.edu>	<4A9E7E04020000720003B00F@health-mail2.tpchd.org>	<68b791330909021424q7dc2e7ebj6ed9aca066ff3376@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A9E813002000024000447AE@lola.vvc.edu>
Message-ID: <4A9EE88A.4040907@oberlin.edu>

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Brian Hatchell wrote:
> You should read the Higher Education Act of 2008 HR 4137.  It REQUIRES
> filtering in order to receive title funds.  I only wish that I had the
> luxury of separating my educational from the admin networks here.
>  

Educause has several good resources on the HEOA. The bulk concern is on
illegal distribution of copyrighted materials, or P2P file-sharing. From
an Educause summary:

" Report language that accompanies the law explicitly states that
technology-based deterrents
include ?bandwidth shaping? and ?traffic monitoring to identify the
largest bandwidth users,? and
indicates that certain education and enforcement programs will also
qualify.  The report language
explicitly notes that institutions are not required to adopt any
particular type of technology-based
deterrent, recognizing that even institutions that ?prohibit content
monitoring? retain the authority to
determine their own plans."

IANAL, nor do I play one on TV. Of course you need to follow the advice
of your own legal counsel, as they're going to be the ones defending you
should it come to court. But Educause suggests we have options.

- --
Celebrating the 150th anniversary of the publication of the Origin of
Species.
- -- Cal Frye, Network Administrator, Oberlin College
   Mudd Library, x.56930 -- CIT will NEVER ask you for your password!

   www.calfrye.com,  www.pitalabs.com

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From pallenr32 at gmail.com  Thu Sep  3 01:17:04 2009
From: pallenr32 at gmail.com (Paul Allen)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 10:17:04 +1000
Subject: hba tuning for SLES 10 SP2 NCS
Message-ID: <b480b1a80909021717j1a12acadx285e901e4cdcf8bf@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All
I am currently working on a project to build a 6way SLES 10 SP2 clustered
environment for a Groupwise migration.  I am using two Qlogic qle2460 HBAs
in each node and FC connection to a StorageTek SAN.

I have loaded the Sun StorageTek RDAC Multipath Failover Driver to manage
multipath issues.

I have read the the install guide for this driver and it replaces the
qla2xxx driver from Qlogic and all tuning settings are then set by the
mpp.conf...super !

Anyway, when I check the status of the kernel it reports its is tainted 2

checking the kernel.txt, tainted 2 reports:

2 - A module was force loaded by insmod -f.
      Set by modutils >= 2.4.9 and module-init-tools.

How can I check for which driver or module was force loaded ?

cheers
Paul

-- 
He who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as
dead; his eyes are closed.
Albert Einstein

From toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee  Thu Sep  3 12:10:12 2009
From: toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee (Toomas Aas)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 14:10:12 +0300
Subject: ntp as client to timesync
Message-ID: <4A9FA414.1050803@raad.tartu.ee>

Hello!

I installed a SLES10 SP2 server and configured ntp to get time from Netware 
6.5 server running TIMESYNC (which should be possible according to the docs).

Time 'appears' to be in sync, and ntp.log ends with:

3 Sep 10:55:23 ntpd[3736]: synchronized to 192.168.1.3, stratum 5

(this is timestamped few hours ago, when I set up the server).

However, running ntptrace on the SLES box gives this:
# ntptrace
localhost: stratum 6, offset 0.008646, synch distance 0.013765
192.168.1.3: timed out, nothing received
***Request timed out

Is this just an incompatibility b/w timesync and ntptrace, or does it 
indicate real trouble?

-- 
Toomas Aas

From joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk  Thu Sep  3 12:12:48 2009
From: joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe Doupnik)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 12:12:48 +0100
Subject: ntp as client to timesync
In-Reply-To: <4A9FA414.1050803@raad.tartu.ee>
References: <4A9FA414.1050803@raad.tartu.ee>
Message-ID: <4A9FA4B0.9060801@oucs.ox.ac.uk>

Toomas Aas wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> I installed a SLES10 SP2 server and configured ntp to get time from Netware 
> 6.5 server running TIMESYNC (which should be possible according to the docs).
> 
> Time 'appears' to be in sync, and ntp.log ends with:
> 
> 3 Sep 10:55:23 ntpd[3736]: synchronized to 192.168.1.3, stratum 5
> 
> (this is timestamped few hours ago, when I set up the server).
> 
> However, running ntptrace on the SLES box gives this:
> # ntptrace
> localhost: stratum 6, offset 0.008646, synch distance 0.013765
> 192.168.1.3: timed out, nothing received
> ***Request timed out
> 
> Is this just an incompatibility b/w timesync and ntptrace, or does it 
> indicate real trouble?
> 
----------------
	It indicates the very simple NTP capabilities of timesync.nlm.
You have xntpd.nlm, why not use it instead?
	Joe D.

From toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee  Thu Sep  3 12:26:53 2009
From: toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee (Toomas Aas)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 14:26:53 +0300
Subject: ntp as client to timesync
In-Reply-To: <4A9FA4B0.9060801@oucs.ox.ac.uk>
References: <4A9FA414.1050803@raad.tartu.ee> <4A9FA4B0.9060801@oucs.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <4A9FA7FD.2020201@raad.tartu.ee>

Joe Doupnik wrote:

> You have xntpd.nlm, why not use it instead?

I knew you would say that ;)

-- 
Toomas Aas

From toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee  Thu Sep 10 12:12:51 2009
From: toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee (Toomas Aas)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:12:51 +0300
Subject: Getting a list of expired accounts
Message-ID: <4AA8DF33.5010408@raad.tartu.ee>

Until now, I've used nlist to periodically review the list of expired user 
accounts and delete the older ones:

nlist user where "account has expiration date" exists /r /s

However, nlist seems to be showing its age - after latest additions to the 
tree it now quits with this message:

NLIST-4.22-080: Available memory is insufficient to scan all levels.

I tried to use the object searching facility in iManager, but when 
searching for User objects the attribute selector doesn't seem to offer 
anything resembling the "account has expiration date" attribute. Does 
anyone know what this attribute is called? Or an alternate way of getting 
this information?

(eDirectory 8.8 SP5, NW65SP8 and OES2SP1 servers)
	
-- 
Toomas Aas

From geoffreycarman at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 12:26:07 2009
From: geoffreycarman at gmail.com (Geoffrey Carman)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 07:26:07 -0400
Subject: Getting a list of expired accounts
In-Reply-To: <4AA8DF33.5010408@raad.tartu.ee>
References: <4AA8DF33.5010408@raad.tartu.ee>
Message-ID: <993788ac0909100426q227e5519q26b3a87127f3dc@mail.gmail.com>

Login Expiration Time?

loginExpirationTime in LDAP.

Do an LDAP query with the tool of your choice, I like LBE which seems
to have disappeared, but Apache Directory Studio is an Eclipse tool
for much the same, with a filter of (loginExpirationTime=*)

Pick a replica that is not too busy, since that is almost certainly
not indexed, and a less than pretty search, if your tree is large.



On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Toomas Aas<toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee> wrote:
> Until now, I've used nlist to periodically review the list of expired user
> accounts and delete the older ones:
>
> nlist user where "account has expiration date" exists /r /s
>
> However, nlist seems to be showing its age - after latest additions to the
> tree it now quits with this message:
>
> NLIST-4.22-080: Available memory is insufficient to scan all levels.
>
> I tried to use the object searching facility in iManager, but when searching
> for User objects the attribute selector doesn't seem to offer anything
> resembling the "account has expiration date" attribute. Does anyone know
> what this attribute is called? Or an alternate way of getting this
> information?
>
> (eDirectory 8.8 SP5, NW65SP8 and OES2SP1 servers)
>
> --
> Toomas Aas
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>



-- 
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geoffreycarman at gmail.com

From Sami.Kapanen at hamk.fi  Thu Sep 10 12:47:30 2009
From: Sami.Kapanen at hamk.fi (Sami Kapanen)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:47:30 +0300
Subject: Getting a list of expired accounts
In-Reply-To: <4AA8DF33.5010408@raad.tartu.ee>
References: <4AA8DF33.5010408@raad.tartu.ee>
Message-ID: <4AA911830200004E0006341D@com-gwia.hamk.fi>

>>> On 10.9.2009 at 14:12, Toomas Aas <toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee> wrote:
> Until now, I've used nlist to periodically review the list of expired user 
> accounts and delete the older ones:
> 
> nlist user where "account has expiration date" exists /r /s
> 
> However, nlist seems to be showing its age - after latest additions to the 
> tree it now quits with this message:
> 
> NLIST-4.22-080: Available memory is insufficient to scan all levels.
> 
> I tried to use the object searching facility in iManager, but when 
> searching for User objects the attribute selector doesn't seem to offer 
> anything resembling the "account has expiration date" attribute. Does 
> anyone know what this attribute is called? Or an alternate way of getting 
> this information?

eg.
nwadmin32, search users, look for account disabled.
dsbrowse, choose attribute login disabled.. store in excel and sort.


-sk


From toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee  Thu Sep 10 13:24:32 2009
From: toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee (Toomas Aas)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:24:32 +0300
Subject: Getting a list of expired accounts
In-Reply-To: <993788ac0909100426q227e5519q26b3a87127f3dc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AA8DF33.5010408@raad.tartu.ee>
	<993788ac0909100426q227e5519q26b3a87127f3dc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AA8F000.1050401@raad.tartu.ee>

Geoffrey Carman wrote:

> Do an LDAP query with the tool of your choice, I like LBE which seems
> to have disappeared, but Apache Directory Studio is an Eclipse tool
> for much the same, with a filter of (loginExpirationTime=*)

Thanks, that did the trick. Fortunately I still have LBE here.

-- 
Toomas Aas --------------------------------------------------------
|arvutiv?rgu peaspetsialist | head specialist on computer networks|
|Tartu Linnakantselei       | Tartu City Office                   |
skype: toomas_aas ----------------------------------- +372 736 1274


From toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee  Thu Sep 10 13:29:03 2009
From: toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee (Toomas Aas)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:29:03 +0300
Subject: Getting a list of expired accounts
In-Reply-To: <4AA911830200004E0006341D@com-gwia.hamk.fi>
References: <4AA8DF33.5010408@raad.tartu.ee>
	<4AA911830200004E0006341D@com-gwia.hamk.fi>
Message-ID: <4AA8F10F.504@raad.tartu.ee>

Sami Kapanen wrote:

> nwadmin32, search users, look for account disabled.
> dsbrowse, choose attribute login disabled.. store in excel and sort.

Yes, 'login disabled' is easy, but I was searching for users which have 
account expiration date but not login disabled. Searching by login disabled 
did not turn up these.

-- 
Toomas Aas

From geoffreycarman at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 13:32:21 2009
From: geoffreycarman at gmail.com (Geoffrey Carman)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:32:21 -0400
Subject: Getting a list of expired accounts
In-Reply-To: <4AA8F000.1050401@raad.tartu.ee>
References: <4AA8DF33.5010408@raad.tartu.ee>
	<993788ac0909100426q227e5519q26b3a87127f3dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AA8F000.1050401@raad.tartu.ee>
Message-ID: <993788ac0909100532m543ffac2oacaa90aa01769ee5@mail.gmail.com>

Glad to help.  Apache ds is actually a useful tool, as it can output a
csv or xls file instead of ldif, which is great for processing the
results.

But you need eclipse to run it, which is a bit much compared to LBE
which is what? 600k?

On 9/10/09, Toomas Aas <toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee> wrote:
> Geoffrey Carman wrote:
>
>> Do an LDAP query with the tool of your choice, I like LBE which seems
>> to have disappeared, but Apache Directory Studio is an Eclipse tool
>> for much the same, with a filter of (loginExpirationTime=*)
>
> Thanks, that did the trick. Fortunately I still have LBE here.
>
> --
> Toomas Aas --------------------------------------------------------
> |arvutiv?rgu peaspetsialist | head specialist on computer networks|
> |Tartu Linnakantselei       | Tartu City Office                   |
> skype: toomas_aas ----------------------------------- +372 736 1274
>
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From dtran at ssc.ucla.edu  Thu Sep 10 14:58:17 2009
From: dtran at ssc.ucla.edu (Daniel Tran)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:58:17 -0700
Subject: Getting a list of expired accounts
In-Reply-To: <4AA8DF33.5010408@raad.tartu.ee>
References: <4AA8DF33.5010408@raad.tartu.ee>
Message-ID: <D2A4CE9969F00C4DB94310BD8B1E2032023A148E@SSCBE.SS.ucla.edu>

Google for dsreport utility and use Login expiration time attribute

Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: novell-bounces at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
[mailto:novell-bounces at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Toomas Aas
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 4:13 AM
To: Novell LAN Interest Group
Subject: Getting a list of expired accounts

Until now, I've used nlist to periodically review the list of expired
user 
accounts and delete the older ones:

nlist user where "account has expiration date" exists /r /s

However, nlist seems to be showing its age - after latest additions to
the 
tree it now quits with this message:

NLIST-4.22-080: Available memory is insufficient to scan all levels.

I tried to use the object searching facility in iManager, but when 
searching for User objects the attribute selector doesn't seem to offer 
anything resembling the "account has expiration date" attribute. Does 
anyone know what this attribute is called? Or an alternate way of
getting 
this information?

(eDirectory 8.8 SP5, NW65SP8 and OES2SP1 servers)
	
-- 
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From mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us  Thu Sep 10 15:32:44 2009
From: mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us (Matt Smith)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:32:44 -0400
Subject: Getting a list of expired accounts
In-Reply-To: <D2A4CE9969F00C4DB94310BD8B1E2032023A148E@SSCBE.SS.ucla.edu>
References: <4AA8DF33.5010408@raad.tartu.ee>
	<D2A4CE9969F00C4DB94310BD8B1E2032023A148E@SSCBE.SS.ucla.edu>
Message-ID: <4AA8D5C8.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: novell-bounces at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk 
> [mailto:novell-bounces at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Toomas
Aas
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 4:13 AM
> To: Novell LAN Interest Group
> Subject: Getting a list of expired accounts
>
> I tried to use the object searching facility in iManager, but when 
> searching for User objects the attribute selector doesn't seem to
offer 
> anything resembling the "account has expiration date" attribute. Does

> anyone know what this attribute is called? Or an alternate way of
> getting 
> this information?
> 
> (eDirectory 8.8 SP5, NW65SP8 and OES2SP1 servers)
> 	

I've had good luck using LDAP utilities to make these kinds of
searches.  You just have to figure out how to construct your search
syntax.  

I've been using the Apache Directory Studio lately and really liking
it.  It's GUI-based, cross-platform, and works better than any other
similar free/open source application out there.

-Matt

-- 

Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685 x1314

From cmangiarelli at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 15:43:49 2009
From: cmangiarelli at gmail.com (Christopher Mangiarelli)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:43:49 -0400
Subject: CIFS+DFS on NetWare 6.5 SP8 / Clustered
Message-ID: <f47566ff0909100743k3753c96fy3122f46bcc179bf2@mail.gmail.com>

I'm trying to get CIFS working in my test environment.  2 NetWare 6.5 SP8
servers on eDirectory 8.8.5 ftf1 clustered together .  I have one main
volume in the cluster which I use as the mapping point for a drive letter in
Windows. In the cluster, I have three other volume resources which contain
folders of "stuff".  I use DFS to mount these folders onto the main volume.
DFS works fine.  If I access the main volume from a machine with the Novell
client, I can jump around all the volumes and access resources without
knowing when I'm on a different volume.

However, when I turned on CIFS for the clustered resources and configure the
CIFS properties of each clustered server, I cannot launch from DFS junction
points.  If I access each resource independently, I can access the folders
stored on those volume fine from a windows only client.  However, if I map
to the main volume, I can only access folders physically existing on that
volume.  If I try to enter a DFS junction point, I get a typical windows
error that the folder is not accessible/the network location cannot be
reached.

Any idea's how to make this work?  DFS support (and oplocks) is enabled on
both clustered servers in the CIFS properties page.

-- 
Christopher Mangiarelli
cmangiarelli at gmail.com

From larry at ladyburd.com  Thu Sep 10 16:15:08 2009
From: larry at ladyburd.com (Larry Burd)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:15:08 -0400
Subject: Need some advice on security practices
References: <mailman.354.1252593841.3817.novell@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <D274B0DC1B6746FBB17882BA8CA020ED@ladyburd.local>

Every college kid, and highschool kid has ultrasurf on their jump drives.
Watchguard doesn't block ultrasurf, and sonicwall requires another 
subscription $$ to block it.

Larry
 


From RGrein at tpchd.org  Thu Sep 10 17:23:09 2009
From: RGrein at tpchd.org (Randy Grein)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:23:09 -0700
Subject: Need some advice on security practices
In-Reply-To: <D274B0DC1B6746FBB17882BA8CA020ED@ladyburd.local>
References: <mailman.354.1252593841.3817.novell@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<D274B0DC1B6746FBB17882BA8CA020ED@ladyburd.local>
Message-ID: <4AA8C57D020000720003B63C@health-mail2.tpchd.org>

Tough nut to crack. A bit of search turned up this:
http://www.m86security.com/kb/attachments/Ultrasurf-GUID78cf6064c4d04affa2e177bc01284be4.pdf
 
Ultrasurf was designed to get through the firewall blockade set up by the Chinese government, so naturally it's difficult to block. Looks like your strategies include custom firewall attributes, requiring a web proxy, SSL endpoint device and SSL filtering, blocking the application through AD/Zen policy, Antivirus, restricting DNS requests to authorized servers, and a few other filtering patterns.
 
Unfortunately Ultrasurf is not the only application in this category. Talk to legal counsel, but I suspect we will have to determine an effort level to expend on this rather than attempt blanket goals of blocking all unauthorized traffic. The realities of the game...
 
Randy Grein
Sr. Network Engineer
(253)798-6443


>>> "Larry Burd" <larry at ladyburd.com> 9/10/2009 8:15 AM >>>
Every college kid, and highschool kid has ultrasurf on their jump drives.
Watchguard doesn't block ultrasurf, and sonicwall requires another 
subscription $$ to block it.

Larry


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From larry at ladyburd.com  Thu Sep 10 19:35:08 2009
From: larry at ladyburd.com (Larry Burd)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:35:08 -0400
Subject: DOS Box
References: <mailman.616.1242317213.3797.novell@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <01480FF73BC54970AB858A066447F029@ladyburd.local>

unbelievable,  but I need to set up a DOS box for NPRINTER.   We have (2) 
LPT:  DOT Matrix printers running, and our 15 yo DOS box just died.  There 
were 2 LPT cards in there, and it worked well for 15 years.

I have some older WIN-98 boxes sitting in the closet just for this ocassion, 
and I will install DOS.
I have the LSL's, and the ODI's.
The problem is the NIC dirvers in startnet.bat.
normally we had SMC8000.com running, as we had a slew of SMC cards,  but I 
don't remember what brand of NIC cards came in my win 98 boxes....

Can I still get drivers for 15 year old NIC cards???

thx
Larry



From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk  Thu Sep 10 19:43:09 2009
From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (jrd)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:43:09 +0100
Subject: DOS Box
In-Reply-To: <01480FF73BC54970AB858A066447F029@ladyburd.local>
References: <mailman.616.1242317213.3797.novell@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<01480FF73BC54970AB858A066447F029@ladyburd.local>
Message-ID: <4AA948BD.9070404@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

Larry Burd wrote:
> unbelievable,  but I need to set up a DOS box for NPRINTER.   We have 
> (2) LPT:  DOT Matrix printers running, and our 15 yo DOS box just died.  
> There were 2 LPT cards in there, and it worked well for 15 years.
> 
> I have some older WIN-98 boxes sitting in the closet just for this 
> ocassion, and I will install DOS.
> I have the LSL's, and the ODI's.
> The problem is the NIC dirvers in startnet.bat.
> normally we had SMC8000.com running, as we had a slew of SMC cards,  but 
> I don't remember what brand of NIC cards came in my win 98 boxes....
> 
> Can I still get drivers for 15 year old NIC cards???
> 
> thx
> Larry
-----------
	Here is a though Larry. But first, my little story leading up to
the answer.
	I have an HP AllinOne USB printer at home and in the office, and I
really wanted to put them on the net so that various boxes/servers could
attach. It turns out the solution was to purchase a Hawking Inc HMPS1U
tiny box which has a USB and an Ethernet port, with fancy print server
innards. It's a cute little thing, works very well indeed, at low cost,
and I can even do scanning.
	Thus the thought. Rather than building a Win box and worry about
drivers, disk drive, and the power bill, why not use a similar tiny box
which has the proper printer connectors? They are inexpensive, flexible
(shop carefully, read the specs), and draw just a few watts.
	Joe D.

From geoffreycarman at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 19:50:00 2009
From: geoffreycarman at gmail.com (Geoffrey Carman)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:50:00 -0400
Subject: DOS Box
In-Reply-To: <01480FF73BC54970AB858A066447F029@ladyburd.local>
References: <mailman.616.1242317213.3797.novell@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<01480FF73BC54970AB858A066447F029@ladyburd.local>
Message-ID: <993788ac0909101150y11b2187frdc22a1836357edcf@mail.gmail.com>

Hahaha!  I'll bet I have them sitting on my external drive at home!!!
:)  I remember that card well!



On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Larry Burd <larry at ladyburd.com> wrote:
> unbelievable, ?but I need to set up a DOS box for NPRINTER. ? We have (2)
> LPT: ?DOT Matrix printers running, and our 15 yo DOS box just died. ?There
> were 2 LPT cards in there, and it worked well for 15 years.
>
> I have some older WIN-98 boxes sitting in the closet just for this ocassion,
> and I will install DOS.
> I have the LSL's, and the ODI's.
> The problem is the NIC dirvers in startnet.bat.
> normally we had SMC8000.com running, as we had a slew of SMC cards, ?but I
> don't remember what brand of NIC cards came in my win 98 boxes....
>
> Can I still get drivers for 15 year old NIC cards???
>
> thx
> Larry
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
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>



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geoffreycarman at gmail.com

From pjc9001 at nyp.org  Thu Sep 10 19:56:10 2009
From: pjc9001 at nyp.org (Peter J. Cox)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:56:10 -0400
Subject: DOS Box
In-Reply-To: <01480FF73BC54970AB858A066447F029@ladyburd.local>
References: <mailman.616.1242317213.3797.novell@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<01480FF73BC54970AB858A066447F029@ladyburd.local>
Message-ID: <21696_1252608976_0KPR00LF7R9MS430_4AA94BCA.4000902@nyp.org>

Larry,
    It'd really come down to what NICs are in them, based on that the 
answer might not be too painful. Have you thought about putting a 
dedicated print server box on them (like Axis, Hawking, Lantronix, 
Zebra, etc) and just running them IP (through iPrint)? Not knowing the 
context I'm sure you have your reasons. Depending on the NICs we might 
have some here (we're a bunch of pack rats). Let me know.

_______________________
Peter J. Cox
Network Manager, IT
NY Methodist Hospital




Larry Burd wrote:
> unbelievable,  but I need to set up a DOS box for NPRINTER.   We have 
> (2) LPT:  DOT Matrix printers running, and our 15 yo DOS box just 
> died.  There were 2 LPT cards in there, and it worked well for 15 years.
>
> I have some older WIN-98 boxes sitting in the closet just for this 
> ocassion, and I will install DOS.
> I have the LSL's, and the ODI's.
> The problem is the NIC dirvers in startnet.bat.
> normally we had SMC8000.com running, as we had a slew of SMC cards,  
> but I don't remember what brand of NIC cards came in my win 98 boxes....
>
> Can I still get drivers for 15 year old NIC cards???
>
> thx
> Larry
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
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From budthegrey at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 20:12:54 2009
From: budthegrey at gmail.com (Bud Durland)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:12:54 -0400
Subject: DOS Box
In-Reply-To: <21696_1252608976_0KPR00LF7R9MS430_4AA94BCA.4000902@nyp.org>
References: <mailman.616.1242317213.3797.novell@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<01480FF73BC54970AB858A066447F029@ladyburd.local>
	<21696_1252608976_0KPR00LF7R9MS430_4AA94BCA.4000902@nyp.org>
Message-ID: <509526700909101212q5d6b94c5j7a660554b25e4cb9@mail.gmail.com>

If a dedicated IP print server appliance isn't a good fit, I have a
vague recollection of a WIndows based NPRINT that ran in Win98, and
would use whatever network card you could find 98 drivers for.

Or, if you want ot have a real nostalgia trip, dig up a copy of OS/2
Warp and set it up as a print server


On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Peter J. Cox <pjc9001 at nyp.org> wrote:
> Larry,
> ? It'd really come down to what NICs are in them, based on that the answer
> might not be too painful. Have you thought about putting a dedicated print
> server box on them (like Axis, Hawking, Lantronix, Zebra, etc) and just
> running them IP (through iPrint)? Not knowing the context I'm sure you have
> your reasons. Depending on the NICs we might have some here (we're a bunch
> of pack rats). Let me know.
>
> _______________________
> Peter J. Cox
> Network Manager, IT
> NY Methodist Hospital
>
>
>
>
> Larry Burd wrote:
>>
>> unbelievable, ?but I need to set up a DOS box for NPRINTER. ? We have (2)
>> LPT: ?DOT Matrix printers running, and our 15 yo DOS box just died. ?There
>> were 2 LPT cards in there, and it worked well for 15 years.
>>
>> I have some older WIN-98 boxes sitting in the closet just for this
>> ocassion, and I will install DOS.
>> I have the LSL's, and the ODI's.
>> The problem is the NIC dirvers in startnet.bat.
>> normally we had SMC8000.com running, as we had a slew of SMC cards, ?but I
>> don't remember what brand of NIC cards came in my win 98 boxes....
>>
>> Can I still get drivers for 15 year old NIC cards???
>>
>> thx
>> Larry
>>
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From Robrinsky at roillc.com  Thu Sep 10 20:13:56 2009
From: Robrinsky at roillc.com (Robert Obrinsky)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:13:56 -0700
Subject: Need some advice on security practices
In-Reply-To: <D274B0DC1B6746FBB17882BA8CA020ED@ladyburd.local>
References: <mailman.354.1252593841.3817.novell@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<D274B0DC1B6746FBB17882BA8CA020ED@ladyburd.local>
Message-ID: <4AA8ED840200006D0002598F@roi-03.roillc.com>

Try Astaro. They recently updated their software (7.4x) to handle things like ultrasurf.
 
Robert W. Obrinsky
President
Robert Obrinsky Industries, LLC
1908 SE 45th Avenue
Portland, OR 97215
503.719.4387 (Office)
203.273.7012 (Mobile)


>>> "Larry Burd" <larry at ladyburd.com> 9/10/2009 8:15 AM >>>
Every college kid, and highschool kid has ultrasurf on their jump drives.
Watchguard doesn't block ultrasurf, and sonicwall requires another 
subscription $$ to block it.

Larry


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From RZeman at melwood.org  Thu Sep 10 21:26:51 2009
From: RZeman at melwood.org (Rick Zeman)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:26:51 -0400
Subject: Snow Leopard and Netware 6.5
Message-ID: <4AA928CD.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org>

Anyone connected their new 10.6 Snow Leopard installation to a Netware 6.5 SP8 server's AFPTCP.NLM?  I just get a generic username/password error (yes, simple passwords are set and this works with 10.5x Mac clients).

Thansk,
 
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From cal.frye at oberlin.edu  Thu Sep 10 21:59:07 2009
From: cal.frye at oberlin.edu (Cal Frye)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:59:07 -0400
Subject: Snow Leopard and Netware 6.5
In-Reply-To: <4AA928CD.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org>
References: <4AA928CD.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org>
Message-ID: <4AA9689B.6020208@oberlin.edu>

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Rick Zeman wrote:
> Anyone connected their new 10.6 Snow Leopard installation to a Netware 6.5 SP8 server's AFPTCP.NLM?  I just get a generic username/password error (yes, simple passwords are set and this works with 10.5x Mac clients).
> 
> Thansk,
>  
I believe that one's due to be fixed next month, although I can't find
the notice on it at the moment...

- --
Celebrating the 150th anniversary of the publication of the Origin of
Species.
- -- Cal Frye, Network Administrator, Oberlin College
   Mudd Library, x.56930 -- CIT will NEVER ask you for your password!

   www.calfrye.com,  www.pitalabs.com

"I'm not afraid of storms, for I'm learning how to sail my ship.
- --Louisa May Alcott.
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From alandpearson at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 10 22:08:03 2009
From: alandpearson at yahoo.com (Alan Pearson)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:08:03 +0100
Subject: Snow Leopard and Netware 6.5
In-Reply-To: <4AA9689B.6020208@oberlin.edu>
References: <4AA928CD.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org> <4AA9689B.6020208@oberlin.edu>
Message-ID: <CD404C08-FDD2-47A1-8070-2208215182F4@yahoo.com>

http://www.novell.com/products/openenterpriseserver/snowleopard.html
---
AlanP

On 10 Sep 2009, at 21:59, Cal Frye wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Rick Zeman wrote:
>> Anyone connected their new 10.6 Snow Leopard installation to a  
>> Netware 6.5 SP8 server's AFPTCP.NLM?  I just get a generic username/ 
>> password error (yes, simple passwords are set and this works with  
>> 10.5x Mac clients).
>>
>> Thansk,
>>
> I believe that one's due to be fixed next month, although I can't find
> the notice on it at the moment...
>
> - --
> Celebrating the 150th anniversary of the publication of the Origin of
> Species.
> - -- Cal Frye, Network Administrator, Oberlin College
>   Mudd Library, x.56930 -- CIT will NEVER ask you for your password!
>
>   www.calfrye.com,  www.pitalabs.com
>
> "I'm not afraid of storms, for I'm learning how to sail my ship.
> - --Louisa May Alcott.
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From cal.frye at oberlin.edu  Thu Sep 10 22:20:01 2009
From: cal.frye at oberlin.edu (Cal Frye)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:20:01 -0400
Subject: Snow Leopard and Netware 6.5
In-Reply-To: <CD404C08-FDD2-47A1-8070-2208215182F4@yahoo.com>
References: <4AA928CD.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org> <4AA9689B.6020208@oberlin.edu>
	<CD404C08-FDD2-47A1-8070-2208215182F4@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AA96D81.201@oberlin.edu>

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Alan Pearson wrote:
> http://www.novell.com/products/openenterpriseserver/snowleopard.html

Thanks, Alan,
Even searching all of Novell for "Snow Leopard" failed to turn up that
one for me...

- --
Celebrating the 150th anniversary of the publication of the Origin of
Species.
- -- Cal Frye, Network Administrator, Oberlin College
   Mudd Library, x.56930 -- CIT will NEVER ask you for your password!

   www.calfrye.com,  www.pitalabs.com

"Our lives are known by the dilemmas we keep. --Anthony F. Perrino.
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From alandpearson at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 10 22:37:50 2009
From: alandpearson at yahoo.com (Alan Pearson)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:37:50 +0100
Subject: Snow Leopard and Netware 6.5
In-Reply-To: <4AA96D81.201@oberlin.edu>
References: <4AA928CD.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org> <4AA9689B.6020208@oberlin.edu>
	<CD404C08-FDD2-47A1-8070-2208215182F4@yahoo.com>
	<4AA96D81.201@oberlin.edu>
Message-ID: <0B1A4DB5-C431-48F6-9233-D48E10C607F7@yahoo.com>

Yeah, I found it linked to from some site on google (had the issue a  
few nights ago with a users laptop)

Apparently an apple issue ....


---
AlanP

On 10 Sep 2009, at 22:20, Cal Frye wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Alan Pearson wrote:
>> http://www.novell.com/products/openenterpriseserver/snowleopard.html
>
> Thanks, Alan,
> Even searching all of Novell for "Snow Leopard" failed to turn up that
> one for me...
>
> - --
> Celebrating the 150th anniversary of the publication of the Origin of
> Species.
> - -- Cal Frye, Network Administrator, Oberlin College
>   Mudd Library, x.56930 -- CIT will NEVER ask you for your password!
>
>   www.calfrye.com,  www.pitalabs.com
>
> "Our lives are known by the dilemmas we keep. --Anthony F. Perrino.
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From BChan at Shawcor.com  Fri Sep 11 13:39:28 2009
From: BChan at Shawcor.com (Brian Chan)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:39:28 -0400
Subject: Getting a list of expired accounts
In-Reply-To: <4AA8DF33.5010408@raad.tartu.ee>
References: <4AA8DF33.5010408@raad.tartu.ee>
Message-ID: <OFD4619397.3FA6EC37-ON8525762E.00457353-8525762E.0045EE71@shaw_ind.com>

I am using ODBC driver from Novell to access the Directory database and
generate the report.  It works fine.

Thanks.


Brian Chan
Corporate I.T.
ShawCor Limited
email : bchan at shawcor.com
phone : 416 - 744 - 5582   fax : 416 - 744 - 9989


                                                                                                                                                     
  From:       Toomas Aas <toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee>                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                     
  To:         Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.usu.edu>                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                     
  Date:       09/10/2009 07:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                     
  Subject:    Getting a list of expired accounts                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                     
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Until now, I've used nlist to periodically review the list of expired user
accounts and delete the older ones:

nlist user where "account has expiration date" exists /r /s

However, nlist seems to be showing its age - after latest additions to the
tree it now quits with this message:

NLIST-4.22-080: Available memory is insufficient to scan all levels.

I tried to use the object searching facility in iManager, but when
searching for User objects the attribute selector doesn't seem to offer
anything resembling the "account has expiration date" attribute. Does
anyone know what this attribute is called? Or an alternate way of getting
this information?

(eDirectory 8.8 SP5, NW65SP8 and OES2SP1 servers)

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From BChan at Shawcor.com  Fri Sep 11 13:39:28 2009
From: BChan at Shawcor.com (Brian Chan)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:39:28 -0400
Subject: Getting a list of expired accounts
In-Reply-To: <4AA8DF33.5010408@raad.tartu.ee>
References: <4AA8DF33.5010408@raad.tartu.ee>
Message-ID: <OFD4619397.3FA6EC37-ON8525762E.00457353-8525762E.0045EE71@shaw_ind.com>

I am using ODBC driver from Novell to access the Directory database and
generate the report.  It works fine.

Thanks.


Brian Chan
Corporate I.T.
ShawCor Limited
email : bchan at shawcor.com
phone : 416 - 744 - 5582   fax : 416 - 744 - 9989


                                                                                                                                                     
  From:       Toomas Aas <toomas.aas at raad.tartu.ee>                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                     
  To:         Novell LAN Interest Group <novell at netlab1.usu.edu>                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                     
  Date:       09/10/2009 07:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                     
  Subject:    Getting a list of expired accounts                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                     
  Sent by:    novell-bounces at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                     





Until now, I've used nlist to periodically review the list of expired user
accounts and delete the older ones:

nlist user where "account has expiration date" exists /r /s

However, nlist seems to be showing its age - after latest additions to the
tree it now quits with this message:

NLIST-4.22-080: Available memory is insufficient to scan all levels.

I tried to use the object searching facility in iManager, but when
searching for User objects the attribute selector doesn't seem to offer
anything resembling the "account has expiration date" attribute. Does
anyone know what this attribute is called? Or an alternate way of getting
this information?

(eDirectory 8.8 SP5, NW65SP8 and OES2SP1 servers)

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From RZeman at melwood.org  Fri Sep 11 21:37:30 2009
From: RZeman at melwood.org (Rick Zeman)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:37:30 -0400
Subject: Snow Leopard and Netware 6.5
In-Reply-To: <0B1A4DB5-C431-48F6-9233-D48E10C607F7@yahoo.com>
References: <4AA928CD.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org> <4AA9689B.6020208@oberlin.edu>
	<CD404C08-FDD2-47A1-8070-2208215182F4@yahoo.com>
	<4AA96D81.201@oberlin.edu>
	<0B1A4DB5-C431-48F6-9233-D48E10C607F7@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AAA7CCA.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org>

An Apple issue, but Novell is updating the back end?  

>>> Alan Pearson <alandpearson at yahoo.com> 9/10/2009 5:37 PM >>>
Yeah, I found it linked to from some site on google (had the issue a  
few nights ago with a users laptop)

Apparently an apple issue ....


---
AlanP

On 10 Sep 2009, at 22:20, Cal Frye wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Alan Pearson wrote:
>> http://www.novell.com/products/openenterpriseserver/snowleopard.html 
>
> Thanks, Alan,
> Even searching all of Novell for "Snow Leopard" failed to turn up that
> one for me...
>
> - --
> Celebrating the 150th anniversary of the publication of the Origin of
> Species.
> - -- Cal Frye, Network Administrator, Oberlin College
>   Mudd Library, x.56930 -- CIT will NEVER ask you for your password!
>
>   www.calfrye.com,  www.pitalabs.com 
>
> "Our lives are known by the dilemmas we keep. --Anthony F. Perrino.
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From cal.frye at oberlin.edu  Sat Sep 12 02:33:34 2009
From: cal.frye at oberlin.edu (Cal Frye)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:33:34 -0400
Subject: Snow Leopard and Netware 6.5
In-Reply-To: <4AAA7CCA.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org>
References: <4AA928CD.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org>
	<4AA9689B.6020208@oberlin.edu>	<CD404C08-FDD2-47A1-8070-2208215182F4@yahoo.com>	<4AA96D81.201@oberlin.edu>	<0B1A4DB5-C431-48F6-9233-D48E10C607F7@yahoo.com>
	<4AAA7CCA.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org>
Message-ID: <4AAAFA6E.1030303@oberlin.edu>

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Rick Zeman wrote:
> An Apple issue, but Novell is updating the back end?  
> 
Yeah, Apple has logged it as a bug, but it'll be faster for Novell to
accommodate than to suggest anything's wrong at One Infinite Loop ;-)

Statement here:
http://www.condreycorp.com/Notifications/Snow%20Leopard%20Novell%20AFP%20Advisory.html

The big list of incompatibilities with Snow Leopard remains at
http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/

- --
Celebrating the 150th anniversary of the publication of the Origin of
Species.
- -- Cal Frye, Network Administrator, Oberlin College
   Mudd Library, x.56930 -- CIT will NEVER ask you for your password!

   www.calfrye.com,  www.pitalabs.com

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public
relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard P. Feynman.
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From RZeman at melwood.org  Mon Sep 14 19:14:14 2009
From: RZeman at melwood.org (Rick Zeman)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:14:14 -0400
Subject: Snow Leopard and Netware 6.5
In-Reply-To: <4AAAFA6E.1030303@oberlin.edu>
References: <4AA928CD.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org>
	<4AA9689B.6020208@oberlin.edu>	<CD404C08-FDD2-47A1-8070-2208215182F4@yahoo.com>	<4AA96D81.201@oberlin.edu>	<0B1A4DB5-C431-48F6-9233-D48E10C607F7@yahoo.com>
	<4AAA7CCA.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org><4AAA7CCA.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org>
	<4AAAFA6E.1030303@oberlin.edu>
Message-ID: <4AAE4FB5.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org>

Interesting, cuz my ancient version of netatalk on Linux works without any problems.
 
But yeah, if that fix didn't make it into 10.6.1 it might be a while.....

>>> Cal Frye <cal.frye at oberlin.edu> 9/11/2009 9:33 PM >>>
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Rick Zeman wrote:
> An Apple issue, but Novell is updating the back end?  
> 
Yeah, Apple has logged it as a bug, but it'll be faster for Novell to
accommodate than to suggest anything's wrong at One Infinite Loop ;-)

Statement here:
http://www.condreycorp.com/Notifications/Snow%20Leopard%20Novell%20AFP%20Advisory.html 

The big list of incompatibilities with Snow Leopard remains at
http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/ 

- --
Celebrating the 150th anniversary of the publication of the Origin of
Species.
- -- Cal Frye, Network Administrator, Oberlin College
   Mudd Library, x.56930 -- CIT will NEVER ask you for your password!

   www.calfrye.com,  www.pitalabs.com 

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public
relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard P. Feynman.
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From gbembridge at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 21:35:39 2009
From: gbembridge at gmail.com (Greg Bembridge)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:35:39 -0300
Subject: Server Hard Drive Upgrade
Message-ID: <8fd5a2fd0909141335x14c3c980n35016a69f37e0f3b@mail.gmail.com>

Have a client using SBS version 6.0 and they are in need of hard drive
upgrades.  Currently using a two drive mirror.  Wonder what the groups
recommendations are for an easy and efficient upgrade?  I thought of
mirroring to a new larger drive, then using Server Magic by Symantec to
increase the Novell partition on the drive, therefore allowing me to
increase sys and dat.  Haven't used the product in years since Symantec
bought PowerQuest, wondering what everyone's thoughts are?  It certainly is
much easier than reinstall, recover from backup, etc., etc.

Thanks, Greg

From Renee at wfse.org  Mon Sep 14 21:45:20 2009
From: Renee at wfse.org (Renee Hunter)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:45:20 -0700
Subject: Novell Client for Netware 6.5
Message-ID: <4AAE48F10200000800096166@mail.wfse.org>

Wondering which of the Novell Clients will work with our Mac OS X laptops (not at SnowLeopard yet) or is it better to continue to use a 3rd party?  We had been using the Netware IP client from Prosoft Enginerring.

From RGrein at tpchd.org  Mon Sep 14 22:00:02 2009
From: RGrein at tpchd.org (Randy Grein)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:00:02 -0700
Subject: Novell Client for Netware 6.5
In-Reply-To: <4AAE48F10200000800096166@mail.wfse.org>
References: <4AAE48F10200000800096166@mail.wfse.org>
Message-ID: <4AAE4C62020000720003BA65@health-mail2.tpchd.org>

Last I heard it was (generally) best to use the native file protocol built into netware. However as you're using the prosoft client and (presumably) are happy with it I'd continue to use that unless and until it's no longer satisfactory.
 
Randy Grein
Sr. Network Engineer
(253)798-6443


>>> "Renee Hunter" <Renee at wfse.org> 9/14/2009 1:45 PM >>>
Wondering which of the Novell Clients will work with our Mac OS X laptops (not at SnowLeopard yet) or is it better to continue to use a 3rd party?  We had been using the Netware IP client from Prosoft Enginerring.
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From randygrein at comcast.net  Tue Sep 15 01:56:50 2009
From: randygrein at comcast.net (Randy Grein)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:56:50 -0700
Subject: Server Hard Drive Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <8fd5a2fd0909141335x14c3c980n35016a69f37e0f3b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8fd5a2fd0909141335x14c3c980n35016a69f37e0f3b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0859CC08-5C15-49DC-9BC2-BC7F9E487312@comcast.net>

Server magic went goodbye quite a while back; the current (and  
superior) replacement is Portlock. No need to reinstall netware...

I will suggest that you reconsider the system - an SBS 6 server is  
quite old, and the chassis is probably ready to retire. Worse,  
software mirroring (of SYS, anyway) has been a bit of a problem since  
so many applications run as services on the server. Anything that  
crashes the server causes a mirror mismatch, and if you make the  
mistake of using anything but SCSI drives processor utilization goes  
to 99% and the server is reduced to a crawl until the mirror is  
completed.
Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA

On Sep 14, 2009, at 1:35 PM, Greg Bembridge wrote:

> Have a client using SBS version 6.0 and they are in need of hard drive
> upgrades.  Currently using a two drive mirror.  Wonder what the groups
> recommendations are for an easy and efficient upgrade?  I thought of
> mirroring to a new larger drive, then using Server Magic by Symantec  
> to
> increase the Novell partition on the drive, therefore allowing me to
> increase sys and dat.  Haven't used the product in years since  
> Symantec
> bought PowerQuest, wondering what everyone's thoughts are?  It  
> certainly is
> much easier than reinstall, recover from backup, etc., etc.
>
> Thanks, Greg
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell


From randygrein at comcast.net  Tue Sep 15 01:56:50 2009
From: randygrein at comcast.net (Randy Grein)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:56:50 -0700
Subject: Server Hard Drive Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <8fd5a2fd0909141335x14c3c980n35016a69f37e0f3b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8fd5a2fd0909141335x14c3c980n35016a69f37e0f3b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0859CC08-5C15-49DC-9BC2-BC7F9E487312@comcast.net>

Server magic went goodbye quite a while back; the current (and  
superior) replacement is Portlock. No need to reinstall netware...

I will suggest that you reconsider the system - an SBS 6 server is  
quite old, and the chassis is probably ready to retire. Worse,  
software mirroring (of SYS, anyway) has been a bit of a problem since  
so many applications run as services on the server. Anything that  
crashes the server causes a mirror mismatch, and if you make the  
mistake of using anything but SCSI drives processor utilization goes  
to 99% and the server is reduced to a crawl until the mirror is  
completed.
Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA

On Sep 14, 2009, at 1:35 PM, Greg Bembridge wrote:

> Have a client using SBS version 6.0 and they are in need of hard drive
> upgrades.  Currently using a two drive mirror.  Wonder what the groups
> recommendations are for an easy and efficient upgrade?  I thought of
> mirroring to a new larger drive, then using Server Magic by Symantec  
> to
> increase the Novell partition on the drive, therefore allowing me to
> increase sys and dat.  Haven't used the product in years since  
> Symantec
> bought PowerQuest, wondering what everyone's thoughts are?  It  
> certainly is
> much easier than reinstall, recover from backup, etc., etc.
>
> Thanks, Greg
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell


From rpcarroll at wallgames.com  Tue Sep 15 03:30:41 2009
From: rpcarroll at wallgames.com (Robert Carroll)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:30:41 -0400
Subject: Server Hard Drive Upgrade
References: <8fd5a2fd0909141335x14c3c980n35016a69f37e0f3b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8DAF63A041B8405086D0096DC0C51C8F@y6i6u5udu1mk8xk>

Greg,

You might look at this method:
http://www.cpafw.com/Netware_easy_disk_upgrade.htm

It should work with conventional Netware partitions.

-Bob Carroll

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Bembridge" <gbembridge at gmail.com>
To: <novell at netlab1.usu.edu>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 4:35 PM
Subject: Server Hard Drive Upgrade


> Have a client using SBS version 6.0 and they are in need of hard drive
> upgrades.  Currently using a two drive mirror.  Wonder what the groups
> recommendations are for an easy and efficient upgrade?  I thought of
> mirroring to a new larger drive, then using Server Magic by Symantec to
> increase the Novell partition on the drive, therefore allowing me to
> increase sys and dat.  Haven't used the product in years since Symantec
> bought PowerQuest, wondering what everyone's thoughts are?  It certainly 
> is
> much easier than reinstall, recover from backup, etc., etc.
>
> Thanks, Greg
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell 


From RZeman at melwood.org  Tue Sep 15 13:34:22 2009
From: RZeman at melwood.org (Rick Zeman)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:34:22 -0400
Subject: Novell Client for Netware 6.5
In-Reply-To: <4AAE4C62020000720003BA65@health-mail2.tpchd.org>
References: <4AAE48F10200000800096166@mail.wfse.org>
	<4AAE4C62020000720003BA65@health-mail2.tpchd.org>
Message-ID: <4AAF518D.C84D.00CE.0@melwood.org>

And considering the outrageous amount it costs, it's best to squeeze every penny from the investment, too.

>>> "Randy Grein" <RGrein at tpchd.org> 9/14/2009 5:00 PM >>>
Last I heard it was (generally) best to use the native file protocol built into netware. However as you're using the prosoft client and (presumably) are happy with it I'd continue to use that unless and until it's no longer satisfactory.

Randy Grein
Sr. Network Engineer
(253)798-6443


>>> "Renee Hunter" <Renee at wfse.org> 9/14/2009 1:45 PM >>>
Wondering which of the Novell Clients will work with our Mac OS X laptops (not at SnowLeopard yet) or is it better to continue to use a 3rd party?  We had been using the Netware IP client from Prosoft Enginerring.
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From pallenr32 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 16 02:57:43 2009
From: pallenr32 at gmail.com (Paul Allen)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:57:43 +1000
Subject: Sun SAN 6540 + Qlogic QLE2460
Message-ID: <b480b1a80909151857w9198d5bg7a31aa8483488e09@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

Has anyone had any experiences,  good or bad with Dell 1950 servers, Qlogic
QLE2460 and Sun StorageTek 6540 SAN ?

I have been trying to build a 6 node cluster with this combination of
hardware and SLES10Sp2 OES2sp1 and whenever we get to slicing up LUNS and
creating shared pools, things go pear shaped.

As I have two QLE6420s in each server I hve loaded the RDAC from Sun to take
care of multipathing.

best regards
paul

From bbrush at gmail.com  Wed Sep 16 17:33:28 2009
From: bbrush at gmail.com (Bill Brush)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:33:28 -0500
Subject: Sun SAN 6540 + Qlogic QLE2460
In-Reply-To: <b480b1a80909151857w9198d5bg7a31aa8483488e09@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b480b1a80909151857w9198d5bg7a31aa8483488e09@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <167f4090909160933r2f42f56cl703cf355806a2d11@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't dealt with the SAN but I've been using Qlogic HBA's since we
got our first SAN about 6 or 7 years ago, and the only problems I've
had were eventually traced back to counterfeit cards.

We've used a lot of x950 servers, but not the 1950's specifically and
haven't had any real issues with them.

I wish I could offer more help, but I would expect that the problem is
either in the multi-pathing, zoning, or the SAN masking, which is not
terribly helpful.  :-(

Bill

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Paul Allen <pallenr32 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello
>
> Has anyone had any experiences, ?good or bad with Dell 1950 servers, Qlogic
> QLE2460 and Sun StorageTek 6540 SAN ?
>
> I have been trying to build a 6 node cluster with this combination of
> hardware and SLES10Sp2 OES2sp1 and whenever we get to slicing up LUNS and
> creating shared pools, things go pear shaped.
>
> As I have two QLE6420s in each server I hve loaded the RDAC from Sun to take
> care of multipathing.
>

From gbembridge at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 00:49:58 2009
From: gbembridge at gmail.com (Greg Bembridge)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:49:58 -0300
Subject: Server Hard Drive Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <0859CC08-5C15-49DC-9BC2-BC7F9E487312@comcast.net>
References: <8fd5a2fd0909141335x14c3c980n35016a69f37e0f3b@mail.gmail.com>
	<0859CC08-5C15-49DC-9BC2-BC7F9E487312@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8fd5a2fd0909161649w5a9d312fq1c955fbe70a0759a@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the reply Randy.  I hadn't noticed any big issue with drive
mirroring after having used it at customer sites for many years, but perhaps
it is more of an issue with larger (ie; non small business server) sites.

I realize SBS 6.5 is quite old but don't really see why two dozen users need
a new server just to accomodate more storage space.  Well, not my reasoning
but the customer will certainly throw it back at me.  I'll check into
portlock.

Thanks again, Greg

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Randy Grein <randygrein at comcast.net> wrote:

> Server magic went goodbye quite a while back; the current (and superior)
> replacement is Portlock. No need to reinstall netware...
>
> I will suggest that you reconsider the system - an SBS 6 server is quite
> old, and the chassis is probably ready to retire. Worse, software mirroring
> (of SYS, anyway) has been a bit of a problem since so many applications run
> as services on the server. Anything that crashes the server causes a mirror
> mismatch, and if you make the mistake of using anything but SCSI drives
> processor utilization goes to 99% and the server is reduced to a crawl until
> the mirror is completed.
> Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA
>
>
> On Sep 14, 2009, at 1:35 PM, Greg Bembridge wrote:
>
>   Have a client using SBS version 6.0 and they are in need of hard drive
>> upgrades.  Currently using a two drive mirror.  Wonder what the groups
>> recommendations are for an easy and efficient upgrade?  I thought of
>> mirroring to a new larger drive, then using Server Magic by Symantec to
>> increase the Novell partition on the drive, therefore allowing me to
>> increase sys and dat.  Haven't used the product in years since Symantec
>> bought PowerQuest, wondering what everyone's thoughts are?  It certainly
>> is
>> much easier than reinstall, recover from backup, etc., etc.
>>
>> Thanks, Greg
>> _______________________________________________
>> Novell mailing list
>> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
>> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>

From gbembridge at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 00:49:58 2009
From: gbembridge at gmail.com (Greg Bembridge)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:49:58 -0300
Subject: Server Hard Drive Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <0859CC08-5C15-49DC-9BC2-BC7F9E487312@comcast.net>
References: <8fd5a2fd0909141335x14c3c980n35016a69f37e0f3b@mail.gmail.com>
	<0859CC08-5C15-49DC-9BC2-BC7F9E487312@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8fd5a2fd0909161649w5a9d312fq1c955fbe70a0759a@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the reply Randy.  I hadn't noticed any big issue with drive
mirroring after having used it at customer sites for many years, but perhaps
it is more of an issue with larger (ie; non small business server) sites.

I realize SBS 6.5 is quite old but don't really see why two dozen users need
a new server just to accomodate more storage space.  Well, not my reasoning
but the customer will certainly throw it back at me.  I'll check into
portlock.

Thanks again, Greg

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Randy Grein <randygrein at comcast.net> wrote:

> Server magic went goodbye quite a while back; the current (and superior)
> replacement is Portlock. No need to reinstall netware...
>
> I will suggest that you reconsider the system - an SBS 6 server is quite
> old, and the chassis is probably ready to retire. Worse, software mirroring
> (of SYS, anyway) has been a bit of a problem since so many applications run
> as services on the server. Anything that crashes the server causes a mirror
> mismatch, and if you make the mistake of using anything but SCSI drives
> processor utilization goes to 99% and the server is reduced to a crawl until
> the mirror is completed.
> Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA
>
>
> On Sep 14, 2009, at 1:35 PM, Greg Bembridge wrote:
>
>   Have a client using SBS version 6.0 and they are in need of hard drive
>> upgrades.  Currently using a two drive mirror.  Wonder what the groups
>> recommendations are for an easy and efficient upgrade?  I thought of
>> mirroring to a new larger drive, then using Server Magic by Symantec to
>> increase the Novell partition on the drive, therefore allowing me to
>> increase sys and dat.  Haven't used the product in years since Symantec
>> bought PowerQuest, wondering what everyone's thoughts are?  It certainly
>> is
>> much easier than reinstall, recover from backup, etc., etc.
>>
>> Thanks, Greg
>> _______________________________________________
>> Novell mailing list
>> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
>> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

From pallenr32 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 01:35:07 2009
From: pallenr32 at gmail.com (Paul Allen)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:35:07 +1000
Subject: Sun SAN 6540 + Qlogic QLE2460
In-Reply-To: <167f4090909160933r2f42f56cl703cf355806a2d11@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b480b1a80909151857w9198d5bg7a31aa8483488e09@mail.gmail.com>
	<167f4090909160933r2f42f56cl703cf355806a2d11@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b480b1a80909161735m3f8d2f48nefc1a384625b1c77@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bill
Thanks for your insight

I think we have also come to the same conclusion as if we use iSCSI the
clusters perform normally, revert to FC with multipath and things go
haywire...

Time to dig deeper with the SAN engineers.

2009/9/17 Bill Brush <bbrush at gmail.com>

> I haven't dealt with the SAN but I've been using Qlogic HBA's since we
> got our first SAN about 6 or 7 years ago, and the only problems I've
> had were eventually traced back to counterfeit cards.
>
> We've used a lot of x950 servers, but not the 1950's specifically and
> haven't had any real issues with them.
>
> I wish I could offer more help, but I would expect that the problem is
> either in the multi-pathing, zoning, or the SAN masking, which is not
> terribly helpful.  :-(
>
> Bill
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Paul Allen <pallenr32 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello
> >
> > Has anyone had any experiences,  good or bad with Dell 1950 servers,
> Qlogic
> > QLE2460 and Sun StorageTek 6540 SAN ?
> >
> > I have been trying to build a 6 node cluster with this combination of
> > hardware and SLES10Sp2 OES2sp1 and whenever we get to slicing up LUNS and
> > creating shared pools, things go pear shaped.
> >
> > As I have two QLE6420s in each server I hve loaded the RDAC from Sun to
> take
> > care of multipathing.
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>



-- 
He who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as
dead; his eyes are closed.
Albert Einstein

From Steven.Tharp at davenport.edu  Thu Sep 17 01:38:35 2009
From: Steven.Tharp at davenport.edu (Steven Tharp)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:38:35 -0400
Subject: Sun SAN 6540 + Qlogic QLE2460
Message-ID: <4AB14CCB0200004000064716@dugwia1.davenport.edu>

Have you tried as a test to do FC with only one HBA. This can helo you to determine if the issue is the mulipath or something deeper at FC Switch or SAN level. 

Steven Tharp

>>> Paul Allen <pallenr32 at gmail.com> 09/16/09 8:35 PM >>>
Hi Bill
Thanks for your insight

I think we have also come to the same conclusion as if we use iSCSI the
clusters perform normally, revert to FC with multipath and things go
haywire...

Time to dig deeper with the SAN engineers.

2009/9/17 Bill Brush <bbrush at gmail.com>

> I haven't dealt with the SAN but I've been using Qlogic HBA's since we
> got our first SAN about 6 or 7 years ago, and the only problems I've
> had were eventually traced back to counterfeit cards.
>
> We've used a lot of x950 servers, but not the 1950's specifically and
> haven't had any real issues with them.
>
> I wish I could offer more help, but I would expect that the problem is
> either in the multi-pathing, zoning, or the SAN masking, which is not
> terribly helpful.  :-(
>
> Bill
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Paul Allen <pallenr32 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello
> >
> > Has anyone had any experiences,  good or bad with Dell 1950 servers,
> Qlogic
> > QLE2460 and Sun StorageTek 6540 SAN ?
> >
> > I have been trying to build a 6 node cluster with this combination of
> > hardware and SLES10Sp2 OES2sp1 and whenever we get to slicing up LUNS and
> > creating shared pools, things go pear shaped.
> >
> > As I have two QLE6420s in each server I hve loaded the RDAC from Sun to
> take
> > care of multipathing.
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>



-- 
He who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as
dead; his eyes are closed.
Albert Einstein
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From pallenr32 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 02:11:24 2009
From: pallenr32 at gmail.com (Paul Allen)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:11:24 +1000
Subject: Sun SAN 6540 + Qlogic QLE2460
In-Reply-To: <4AB14CCB0200004000064716@dugwia1.davenport.edu>
References: <4AB14CCB0200004000064716@dugwia1.davenport.edu>
Message-ID: <b480b1a80909161811s6bc22cb0xaccad5a5b1d53c24@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Steven
I have tried one physical card only - removed the second hba and
re-installed SLES + OES

Had to install RDAC even with one hba as when sles is booting it sees all
luns on the SAN...parity drives etc - the server would take 15-20minutes to
boot as its correcting errors on disk...

I have also tried just unplugging the second hba from its fibre connection

Both result in the same unreliable cluster resources - some go comatose when
migrating, other times moving one resource results in all migrating...really
random full reboots of nodes with nothing logged to "messages"

This is the current mpp.conf...can anyone suggest better timings for OES
clusters...

VirtualDiskProductId=StorageArray
DebugLevel=0x0
NotReadyWaitTime=270
BusyWaitTime=270
QuiescenceWaitTime=270
InquiryWaitTime=60
MaxLunsPerArray=256
MaxPathsPerController=4
ScanInterval=60
InquiryInterval=1
MaxArrayModules=30
ErrorLevel=3
SelectionTimeoutRetryCount=0
UaRetryCount=10
RetryCount=10
SynchTimeout=170
FailOverQuiescenceTime=20
FailoverTimeout=120
FailBackToCurrentAllowed=1
ControllerIoWaitTime=300
ArrayIoWaitTime=600
DisableLUNRebalance=0
IdlePathCheckingInterval=60
RecheckFailedPathWaitTime=30
FailedPathCheckingInterval=60
ArrayFailoverWaitTime=300
PrintSenseBuffer=0
ClassicModeFailover=0
AVTModeFailover=0
LunFailoverDelay=3
LoadBalancePolicy=1
S2ToS3Key=763d6fe25f2d605e



2009/9/17 Steven Tharp <Steven.Tharp at davenport.edu>

> Have you tried as a test to do FC with only one HBA. This can helo you to
> determine if the issue is the mulipath or something deeper at FC Switch or
> SAN level.
>
> Steven Tharp
>
> >>> Paul Allen <pallenr32 at gmail.com> 09/16/09 8:35 PM >>>
> Hi Bill
> Thanks for your insight
>
> I think we have also come to the same conclusion as if we use iSCSI the
> clusters perform normally, revert to FC with multipath and things go
> haywire...
>
> Time to dig deeper with the SAN engineers.
>
> 2009/9/17 Bill Brush <bbrush at gmail.com>
>
> > I haven't dealt with the SAN but I've been using Qlogic HBA's since we
> > got our first SAN about 6 or 7 years ago, and the only problems I've
> > had were eventually traced back to counterfeit cards.
> >
> > We've used a lot of x950 servers, but not the 1950's specifically and
> > haven't had any real issues with them.
> >
> > I wish I could offer more help, but I would expect that the problem is
> > either in the multi-pathing, zoning, or the SAN masking, which is not
> > terribly helpful.  :-(
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Paul Allen <pallenr32 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hello
> > >
> > > Has anyone had any experiences,  good or bad with Dell 1950 servers,
> > Qlogic
> > > QLE2460 and Sun StorageTek 6540 SAN ?
> > >
> > > I have been trying to build a 6 node cluster with this combination of
> > > hardware and SLES10Sp2 OES2sp1 and whenever we get to slicing up LUNS
> and
> > > creating shared pools, things go pear shaped.
> > >
> > > As I have two QLE6420s in each server I hve loaded the RDAC from Sun to
> > take
> > > care of multipathing.
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Novell mailing list
> > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
> >
>
>
>
> --
> He who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as
> dead; his eyes are closed.
> Albert Einstein
> _______________________________________________
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>



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He who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as
dead; his eyes are closed.
Albert Einstein

From randygrein at comcast.net  Thu Sep 17 02:46:04 2009
From: randygrein at comcast.net (Randy Grein)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:46:04 -0700
Subject: Server Hard Drive Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <8fd5a2fd0909161649w5a9d312fq1c955fbe70a0759a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8fd5a2fd0909141335x14c3c980n35016a69f37e0f3b@mail.gmail.com>
	<0859CC08-5C15-49DC-9BC2-BC7F9E487312@comcast.net>
	<8fd5a2fd0909161649w5a9d312fq1c955fbe70a0759a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DD31F963-00F2-48EC-8447-3E0ACDD35304@comcast.net>

Sorry, I thought you said SBS 6.0 - if it's 6.5 it's likely to be new  
enough to do the drive upgrade; 3-5 years is (depending on the  
situation) generally my cutoff for a drive upgrade.

I do stand by the recommendation that (when feasible) mirroring should  
now be in hardware. The problems with remirroring are independent of  
the load on the server, fewer users just means you have fewer people  
sitting idle if things go badly.  This might influence the decision to  
add a RAID card when you upgrade the hard drives, something that is  
very doable with the proposed migration using Portlock. At any rate it  
might be a middle compromise that they would accept.

Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA

On Sep 16, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Greg Bembridge wrote:

> Thanks for the reply Randy.  I hadn't noticed any big issue with drive
> mirroring after having used it at customer sites for many years, but  
> perhaps
> it is more of an issue with larger (ie; non small business server)  
> sites.
>
> I realize SBS 6.5 is quite old but don't really see why two dozen  
> users need
> a new server just to accomodate more storage space.  Well, not my  
> reasoning
> but the customer will certainly throw it back at me.  I'll check into
> portlock.
>
> Thanks again, Greg
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Randy Grein  
> <randygrein at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Server magic went goodbye quite a while back; the current (and  
>> superior)
>> replacement is Portlock. No need to reinstall netware...
>>
>> I will suggest that you reconsider the system - an SBS 6 server is  
>> quite
>> old, and the chassis is probably ready to retire. Worse, software  
>> mirroring
>> (of SYS, anyway) has been a bit of a problem since so many  
>> applications run
>> as services on the server. Anything that crashes the server causes  
>> a mirror
>> mismatch, and if you make the mistake of using anything but SCSI  
>> drives
>> processor utilization goes to 99% and the server is reduced to a  
>> crawl until
>> the mirror is completed.
>> Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2009, at 1:35 PM, Greg Bembridge wrote:
>>
>>  Have a client using SBS version 6.0 and they are in need of hard  
>> drive
>>> upgrades.  Currently using a two drive mirror.  Wonder what the  
>>> groups
>>> recommendations are for an easy and efficient upgrade?  I thought of
>>> mirroring to a new larger drive, then using Server Magic by  
>>> Symantec to
>>> increase the Novell partition on the drive, therefore allowing me to
>>> increase sys and dat.  Haven't used the product in years since  
>>> Symantec
>>> bought PowerQuest, wondering what everyone's thoughts are?  It  
>>> certainly
>>> is
>>> much easier than reinstall, recover from backup, etc., etc.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Greg
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From Robrinsky at roillc.com  Thu Sep 17 15:53:37 2009
From: Robrinsky at roillc.com (Robert Obrinsky)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 07:53:37 -0700
Subject: Sun SAN 6540 + Qlogic QLE2460
In-Reply-To: <b480b1a80909161811s6bc22cb0xaccad5a5b1d53c24@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AB14CCB0200004000064716@dugwia1.davenport.edu>
	<b480b1a80909161811s6bc22cb0xaccad5a5b1d53c24@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB1EB010200006D00025FA0@roi-03.roillc.com>

Hi Paul,
 
I had a client who had standardized on IBM for their servers. So, while they had Qlogic HBAs, they were branded by IBM. Their reasoning was that IBM would own all suppport issues. Ultimately, the only way they could get the multipathing to be stable was to update the drivers from Novell - not IBM (an IBM SAN also) and not Qlogic. At the time, I think they were running NW6.5 SP2 with some post SP2 updates. After the multipathing driver was updated, they were stable. HTH.
 
Robert W. Obrinsky
President
Robert Obrinsky Industries, LLC
1908 SE 45th Avenue
Portland, OR 97215
503.719.4387 (Office)
203.273.7012 (Mobile)


>>> Paul Allen <pallenr32 at gmail.com> 9/16/2009 6:11 PM >>>
Hello Steven
I have tried one physical card only - removed the second hba and
re-installed SLES + OES

Had to install RDAC even with one hba as when sles is booting it sees all
luns on the SAN...parity drives etc - the server would take 15-20minutes to
boot as its correcting errors on disk...

I have also tried just unplugging the second hba from its fibre connection

Both result in the same unreliable cluster resources - some go comatose when
migrating, other times moving one resource results in all migrating...really
random full reboots of nodes with nothing logged to "messages"

This is the current mpp.conf...can anyone suggest better timings for OES
clusters...

VirtualDiskProductId=StorageArray
DebugLevel=0x0
NotReadyWaitTime=270
BusyWaitTime=270
QuiescenceWaitTime=270
InquiryWaitTime=60
MaxLunsPerArray=256
MaxPathsPerController=4
ScanInterval=60
InquiryInterval=1
MaxArrayModules=30
ErrorLevel=3
SelectionTimeoutRetryCount=0
UaRetryCount=10
RetryCount=10
SynchTimeout=170
FailOverQuiescenceTime=20
FailoverTimeout=120
FailBackToCurrentAllowed=1
ControllerIoWaitTime=300
ArrayIoWaitTime=600
DisableLUNRebalance=0
IdlePathCheckingInterval=60
RecheckFailedPathWaitTime=30
FailedPathCheckingInterval=60
ArrayFailoverWaitTime=300
PrintSenseBuffer=0
ClassicModeFailover=0
AVTModeFailover=0
LunFailoverDelay=3
LoadBalancePolicy=1
S2ToS3Key=763d6fe25f2d605e



2009/9/17 Steven Tharp <Steven.Tharp at davenport.edu>

> Have you tried as a test to do FC with only one HBA. This can helo you to
> determine if the issue is the mulipath or something deeper at FC Switch or
> SAN level.
>
> Steven Tharp
>
> >>> Paul Allen <pallenr32 at gmail.com> 09/16/09 8:35 PM >>>
> Hi Bill
> Thanks for your insight
>
> I think we have also come to the same conclusion as if we use iSCSI the
> clusters perform normally, revert to FC with multipath and things go
> haywire...
>
> Time to dig deeper with the SAN engineers.
>
> 2009/9/17 Bill Brush <bbrush at gmail.com>
>
> > I haven't dealt with the SAN but I've been using Qlogic HBA's since we
> > got our first SAN about 6 or 7 years ago, and the only problems I've
> > had were eventually traced back to counterfeit cards.
> >
> > We've used a lot of x950 servers, but not the 1950's specifically and
> > haven't had any real issues with them.
> >
> > I wish I could offer more help, but I would expect that the problem is
> > either in the multi-pathing, zoning, or the SAN masking, which is not
> > terribly helpful.  :-(
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Paul Allen <pallenr32 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hello
> > >
> > > Has anyone had any experiences,  good or bad with Dell 1950 servers,
> > Qlogic
> > > QLE2460 and Sun StorageTek 6540 SAN ?
> > >
> > > I have been trying to build a 6 node cluster with this combination of
> > > hardware and SLES10Sp2 OES2sp1 and whenever we get to slicing up LUNS
> and
> > > creating shared pools, things go pear shaped.
> > >
> > > As I have two QLE6420s in each server I hve loaded the RDAC from Sun to
> > take
> > > care of multipathing.
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Novell mailing list
> > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
> >
>
>
>
> --
> He who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as
> dead; his eyes are closed.
> Albert Einstein
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From petervl at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 15:55:37 2009
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:55:37 -0500
Subject: configuring CIFS -- "File Protocols" not available in iManager?
Message-ID: <68b791330909170755r7a3e2d5bn9829b8c318ded501@mail.gmail.com>

I need to configure CIFS on a Netware box, with iManager  Version
2.7.3  (20090507_201221)

>From the online manual I should see a section in the left hand frame
of imanager called "File Protocols" -- but it is not there. The server
does have NFAP installed, and I can successfully run cifsstrt.ncf.

How do I get the "File Protocols" section to display?


5.1.10 Changing CIFS Configuration
Administrators can customize the network environment for Windows
workstations (CIFS) using
iManager.
1 In a Web browser, specify the following in the address (URL) field:
http://server_IP_address/nps/iManager.html
For example:
http://192.168.1.1/nps/iManager.html
2 At the login prompt, specify the server administrator username and password.
3 In the left frame, click File Protocols, then click CIFS.
4 Type the NetWare server name where you want to change CIFS
configuration, or browse and
select it.
5 Ensure that the Enable CIFS check box is selected.
6 Create, edit, or delete CIFS shares as desired or click the
Properties button to access additional
configuration pages.

------------------------------------------------------------
"I like flaws and feel more comfortable around people who have them. I
myself am made entirely of flaws, stitched together with good
intentions." Augusten Burroughs

http://www.the-brights.net
http://xkcd.com/167

From smf34 at cam.ac.uk  Thu Sep 17 16:11:35 2009
From: smf34 at cam.ac.uk (Simon Flood)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:11:35 +0100
Subject: configuring CIFS -- "File Protocols" not available in iManager?
In-Reply-To: <68b791330909170755r7a3e2d5bn9829b8c318ded501@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330909170755r7a3e2d5bn9829b8c318ded501@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB251A7.4050601@cam.ac.uk>

On 17/09/2009 15:55, Peter Van Lone wrote:

> I need to configure CIFS on a Netware box, with iManager  Version
> 2.7.3  (20090507_201221)
> 
>>From the online manual I should see a section in the left hand frame
> of imanager called "File Protocols" -- but it is not there. The server
> does have NFAP installed, and I can successfully run cifsstrt.ncf.
> 
> How do I get the "File Protocols" section to display?

Which version of NetWare?

You mention iManager 2.7.3 but this is coming with OES2 SP2 Linux - 
NetWare 6.5 SP8 has 2.7.2 so have you updated to 2.7.3?

Do you have the CIFS Management plugin installed?  My NW65SP8 server has 
version 3.4.1.20081003.

If not, I believe this is available as part of the storage-related 
plugins from http://download.novell.com/SummaryFree.jsp?buildid=UB61uxO83qk~

HTH,
Simon

From petervl at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 16:20:22 2009
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:20:22 -0500
Subject: configuring CIFS -- "File Protocols" not available in iManager?
In-Reply-To: <4AB251A7.4050601@cam.ac.uk>
References: <68b791330909170755r7a3e2d5bn9829b8c318ded501@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB251A7.4050601@cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <68b791330909170820m2498c526wd5aa17cf0a113114@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Simon Flood <smf34 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:

> Which version of NetWare?

6.5 sp7

> You mention iManager 2.7.3 but this is coming with OES2 SP2 Linux - NetWare
> 6.5 SP8 has 2.7.2 so have you updated to 2.7.3?

I don't know, but the version info I copied/pasted right out of my
iManager "about" text. Perhaps iManager was updated -- though I do not
remember having done that ...

> Do you have the CIFS Management plugin installed? ?My NW65SP8 server has
> version 3.4.1.20081003.

I don't know -- would this create and then populate the "file
protocols" section of iManager?

> If not, I believe this is available as part of the storage-related plugins
> from http://download.novell.com/SummaryFree.jsp?buildid=UB61uxO83qk~

I'll check and try that -- thnx!

From petervl at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 16:27:14 2009
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:27:14 -0500
Subject: configuring CIFS -- "File Protocols" not available in iManager?
In-Reply-To: <68b791330909170820m2498c526wd5aa17cf0a113114@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330909170755r7a3e2d5bn9829b8c318ded501@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB251A7.4050601@cam.ac.uk>
	<68b791330909170820m2498c526wd5aa17cf0a113114@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68b791330909170827o7161feccy78cd17a78b52b3be@mail.gmail.com>

what seems really weird to me is that there are quite a few NPMs
installed that I don't see corresponding items for in the interface.
The storage management and NFS npm files are installed -- so one would
think that would create the "File Protocols" heading in iManager?

But from the home page the only roles/tasks not being displayed
(according to the message on screen) are two specific certificate
modules that it says are no longer supported. Hmmm...



On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Simon Flood <smf34 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> Which version of NetWare?
>
> 6.5 sp7
>
>> You mention iManager 2.7.3 but this is coming with OES2 SP2 Linux - NetWare
>> 6.5 SP8 has 2.7.2 so have you updated to 2.7.3?
>
> I don't know, but the version info I copied/pasted right out of my
> iManager "about" text. Perhaps iManager was updated -- though I do not
> remember having done that ...
>
>> Do you have the CIFS Management plugin installed? ?My NW65SP8 server has
>> version 3.4.1.20081003.
>
> I don't know -- would this create and then populate the "file
> protocols" section of iManager?
>
>> If not, I believe this is available as part of the storage-related plugins
>> from http://download.novell.com/SummaryFree.jsp?buildid=UB61uxO83qk~
>
> I'll check and try that -- thnx!
>

From RGrein at tpchd.org  Thu Sep 17 16:32:56 2009
From: RGrein at tpchd.org (Randy Grein)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 08:32:56 -0700
Subject: configuring CIFS -- "File Protocols" not available in iManager?
In-Reply-To: <68b791330909170820m2498c526wd5aa17cf0a113114@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330909170755r7a3e2d5bn9829b8c318ded501@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB251A7.4050601@cam.ac.uk>
	<68b791330909170820m2498c526wd5aa17cf0a113114@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB1F438020000720003BE3C@health-mail2.tpchd.org>

You may need to install additional plugins - the default configuration allows direct download & install from iManager, so it's just a matter of downloading and restarting Tomcat. When you login you should be at the Roles & Tasks button; the second notice may say:
 New iManager NPMs are available to install ( https://msnc1/nps/servlet/webacc?taskId=fw.HomePage&merge=fw.HomePage&User.context=# )
 
click on Install to start the process. The other thing to check is the first notice, that some roles and tasks are not available. You'll have to have rights to that task, which is different in iManager than just eDir.
 
 
 

Randy Grein
Sr. Network Engineer
(253)798-6443


>>> Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> 9/17/2009 8:20 AM >>>
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Simon Flood <smf34 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:

> Which version of NetWare?

6.5 sp7

> You mention iManager 2.7.3 but this is coming with OES2 SP2 Linux - NetWare
> 6.5 SP8 has 2.7.2 so have you updated to 2.7.3?

I don't know, but the version info I copied/pasted right out of my
iManager "about" text. Perhaps iManager was updated -- though I do not
remember having done that ...

> Do you have the CIFS Management plugin installed?  My NW65SP8 server has
> version 3.4.1.20081003.

I don't know -- would this create and then populate the "file
protocols" section of iManager?

> If not, I believe this is available as part of the storage-related plugins
> from http://download.novell.com/SummaryFree.jsp?buildid=UB61uxO83qk~

I'll check and try that -- thnx!
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From petervl at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 16:59:26 2009
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:59:26 -0500
Subject: configuring CIFS -- "File Protocols" not available in iManager?
In-Reply-To: <68b791330909170827o7161feccy78cd17a78b52b3be@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330909170755r7a3e2d5bn9829b8c318ded501@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB251A7.4050601@cam.ac.uk>
	<68b791330909170820m2498c526wd5aa17cf0a113114@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170827o7161feccy78cd17a78b52b3be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68b791330909170859h219ea507tcdd9a6b298ad81cb@mail.gmail.com>

So I downloaded and added the NPMs and then installed them, and then
re-started tomcat and apache ... but there is no change that I can
observe.

I've looked through the items in "configure/Rolebased services" and I
do not see any way to add/modify/get this stuff to display.

Why in god's name need this process be so freaking complicated?

Am I supposed to edit a "collection"? If so, I don't see anything in
the "collection" that mentions anything about "file protocols" or
CIFS.

Is there a simple, clear path for doing this? I only want to manage
CIFS -- does not seem as thought it should be so tough to do ...

P

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
> what seems really weird to me is that there are quite a few NPMs
> installed that I don't see corresponding items for in the interface.
> The storage management and NFS npm files are installed -- so one would
> think that would create the "File Protocols" heading in iManager?
>
> But from the home page the only roles/tasks not being displayed
> (according to the message on screen) are two specific certificate
> modules that it says are no longer supported. Hmmm...
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Simon Flood <smf34 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Which version of NetWare?
>>
>> 6.5 sp7
>>
>>> You mention iManager 2.7.3 but this is coming with OES2 SP2 Linux - NetWare
>>> 6.5 SP8 has 2.7.2 so have you updated to 2.7.3?
>>
>> I don't know, but the version info I copied/pasted right out of my
>> iManager "about" text. Perhaps iManager was updated -- though I do not
>> remember having done that ...
>>
>>> Do you have the CIFS Management plugin installed? ?My NW65SP8 server has
>>> version 3.4.1.20081003.
>>
>> I don't know -- would this create and then populate the "file
>> protocols" section of iManager?
>>
>>> If not, I believe this is available as part of the storage-related plugins
>>> from http://download.novell.com/SummaryFree.jsp?buildid=UB61uxO83qk~
>>
>> I'll check and try that -- thnx!
>>
>

From petervl at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 17:01:18 2009
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:01:18 -0500
Subject: configuring CIFS -- "File Protocols" not available in iManager?
In-Reply-To: <68b791330909170859h219ea507tcdd9a6b298ad81cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330909170755r7a3e2d5bn9829b8c318ded501@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB251A7.4050601@cam.ac.uk>
	<68b791330909170820m2498c526wd5aa17cf0a113114@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170827o7161feccy78cd17a78b52b3be@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170859h219ea507tcdd9a6b298ad81cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68b791330909170901m3837f348j7fd3537c2e258762@mail.gmail.com>

"You are currently logged in to rp_tree as MBT.RP with Collection Owner Access."

would it just be simpler to change my iManager access mode to:

" Unrestricted Access
This mode displays all of the roles and tasks installed. Although all
roles and tasks are visible, the authenticated user will still need
the necessary rights to use the tasks."

How do I do that?




On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
> So I downloaded and added the NPMs and then installed them, and then
> re-started tomcat and apache ... but there is no change that I can
> observe.
>
> I've looked through the items in "configure/Rolebased services" and I
> do not see any way to add/modify/get this stuff to display.
>
> Why in god's name need this process be so freaking complicated?
>
> Am I supposed to edit a "collection"? If so, I don't see anything in
> the "collection" that mentions anything about "file protocols" or
> CIFS.
>
> Is there a simple, clear path for doing this? I only want to manage
> CIFS -- does not seem as thought it should be so tough to do ...
>
> P
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> what seems really weird to me is that there are quite a few NPMs
>> installed that I don't see corresponding items for in the interface.
>> The storage management and NFS npm files are installed -- so one would
>> think that would create the "File Protocols" heading in iManager?
>>
>> But from the home page the only roles/tasks not being displayed
>> (according to the message on screen) are two specific certificate
>> modules that it says are no longer supported. Hmmm...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Simon Flood <smf34 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Which version of NetWare?
>>>
>>> 6.5 sp7
>>>
>>>> You mention iManager 2.7.3 but this is coming with OES2 SP2 Linux - NetWare
>>>> 6.5 SP8 has 2.7.2 so have you updated to 2.7.3?
>>>
>>> I don't know, but the version info I copied/pasted right out of my
>>> iManager "about" text. Perhaps iManager was updated -- though I do not
>>> remember having done that ...
>>>
>>>> Do you have the CIFS Management plugin installed? ?My NW65SP8 server has
>>>> version 3.4.1.20081003.
>>>
>>> I don't know -- would this create and then populate the "file
>>> protocols" section of iManager?
>>>
>>>> If not, I believe this is available as part of the storage-related plugins
>>>> from http://download.novell.com/SummaryFree.jsp?buildid=UB61uxO83qk~
>>>
>>> I'll check and try that -- thnx!
>>>
>>
>

From petervl at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 17:13:42 2009
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:13:42 -0500
Subject: configuring CIFS -- "File Protocols" not available in iManager?
In-Reply-To: <68b791330909170901m3837f348j7fd3537c2e258762@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330909170755r7a3e2d5bn9829b8c318ded501@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB251A7.4050601@cam.ac.uk>
	<68b791330909170820m2498c526wd5aa17cf0a113114@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170827o7161feccy78cd17a78b52b3be@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170859h219ea507tcdd9a6b298ad81cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170901m3837f348j7fd3537c2e258762@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68b791330909170913x6dee23b6kcb259f6b6e7d6ac3@mail.gmail.com>

sigh

so I was able to add the (not currently installed modules to the
collection that my user object "owns". Also able to "update" all but
one of the "outdated" modules.

Now, I have a "File Protocols" section that offers "SAMBA" (not CIFS).
When I go to it, I need to select a server. When I select the server
that I know has cifs running on it, I get the following:

"Error:  Samba Error

Could not find the CIM schema. "

ROFLMAO



On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
> "You are currently logged in to rp_tree as MBT.RP with Collection Owner Access."
>
> would it just be simpler to change my iManager access mode to:
>
> " Unrestricted Access
> This mode displays all of the roles and tasks installed. Although all
> roles and tasks are visible, the authenticated user will still need
> the necessary rights to use the tasks."
>
> How do I do that?
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> So I downloaded and added the NPMs and then installed them, and then
>> re-started tomcat and apache ... but there is no change that I can
>> observe.
>>
>> I've looked through the items in "configure/Rolebased services" and I
>> do not see any way to add/modify/get this stuff to display.
>>
>> Why in god's name need this process be so freaking complicated?
>>
>> Am I supposed to edit a "collection"? If so, I don't see anything in
>> the "collection" that mentions anything about "file protocols" or
>> CIFS.
>>
>> Is there a simple, clear path for doing this? I only want to manage
>> CIFS -- does not seem as thought it should be so tough to do ...
>>
>> P
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> what seems really weird to me is that there are quite a few NPMs
>>> installed that I don't see corresponding items for in the interface.
>>> The storage management and NFS npm files are installed -- so one would
>>> think that would create the "File Protocols" heading in iManager?
>>>
>>> But from the home page the only roles/tasks not being displayed
>>> (according to the message on screen) are two specific certificate
>>> modules that it says are no longer supported. Hmmm...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Simon Flood <smf34 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Which version of NetWare?
>>>>
>>>> 6.5 sp7
>>>>
>>>>> You mention iManager 2.7.3 but this is coming with OES2 SP2 Linux - NetWare
>>>>> 6.5 SP8 has 2.7.2 so have you updated to 2.7.3?
>>>>
>>>> I don't know, but the version info I copied/pasted right out of my
>>>> iManager "about" text. Perhaps iManager was updated -- though I do not
>>>> remember having done that ...
>>>>
>>>>> Do you have the CIFS Management plugin installed? ?My NW65SP8 server has
>>>>> version 3.4.1.20081003.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know -- would this create and then populate the "file
>>>> protocols" section of iManager?
>>>>
>>>>> If not, I believe this is available as part of the storage-related plugins
>>>>> from http://download.novell.com/SummaryFree.jsp?buildid=UB61uxO83qk~
>>>>
>>>> I'll check and try that -- thnx!
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

From cmangiarelli at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 17:18:52 2009
From: cmangiarelli at gmail.com (Christopher Mangiarelli)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:18:52 -0400
Subject: configuring CIFS -- "File Protocols" not available in iManager?
In-Reply-To: <68b791330909170901m3837f348j7fd3537c2e258762@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330909170755r7a3e2d5bn9829b8c318ded501@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB251A7.4050601@cam.ac.uk>
	<68b791330909170820m2498c526wd5aa17cf0a113114@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170827o7161feccy78cd17a78b52b3be@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170859h219ea507tcdd9a6b298ad81cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170901m3837f348j7fd3537c2e258762@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f47566ff0909170918p4116ca3ck342b1f6687f5631f@mail.gmail.com>

First make sure the plugin is installed.

. Configure > Plug-in Installation > Installed Novell plug-in Modules >CIFS
Management 3.4.1.2008.1208 Novell CIFS Plugin

. Restart tomcat5

Second, expand your RBS collection.

. Configure > Role Based Services > RBS Configuration > Look in the "Not
Installed" or "Out of Date" sections of your RBS collection.

. Install the plugins into your collection.  They should now be listed under
"Modules" and "Installed".

. Log out of iManager
. Log back in and you should see the Roles and Tasks > File Protocols > CIFS
option.

The CIFS plugin has dependencies on the "Storage Management' and "Storage
Shared" plugins so those need to be installed properly as well.


On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:

> "You are currently logged in to rp_tree as MBT.RP with Collection Owner
> Access."
>
> would it just be simpler to change my iManager access mode to:
>
> " Unrestricted Access
> This mode displays all of the roles and tasks installed. Although all
> roles and tasks are visible, the authenticated user will still need
> the necessary rights to use the tasks."
>
> How do I do that?
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > So I downloaded and added the NPMs and then installed them, and then
> > re-started tomcat and apache ... but there is no change that I can
> > observe.
> >
> > I've looked through the items in "configure/Rolebased services" and I
> > do not see any way to add/modify/get this stuff to display.
> >
> > Why in god's name need this process be so freaking complicated?
> >
> > Am I supposed to edit a "collection"? If so, I don't see anything in
> > the "collection" that mentions anything about "file protocols" or
> > CIFS.
> >
> > Is there a simple, clear path for doing this? I only want to manage
> > CIFS -- does not seem as thought it should be so tough to do ...
> >
> > P
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> what seems really weird to me is that there are quite a few NPMs
> >> installed that I don't see corresponding items for in the interface.
> >> The storage management and NFS npm files are installed -- so one would
> >> think that would create the "File Protocols" heading in iManager?
> >>
> >> But from the home page the only roles/tasks not being displayed
> >> (according to the message on screen) are two specific certificate
> >> modules that it says are no longer supported. Hmmm...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Simon Flood <smf34 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Which version of NetWare?
> >>>
> >>> 6.5 sp7
> >>>
> >>>> You mention iManager 2.7.3 but this is coming with OES2 SP2 Linux -
> NetWare
> >>>> 6.5 SP8 has 2.7.2 so have you updated to 2.7.3?
> >>>
> >>> I don't know, but the version info I copied/pasted right out of my
> >>> iManager "about" text. Perhaps iManager was updated -- though I do not
> >>> remember having done that ...
> >>>
> >>>> Do you have the CIFS Management plugin installed?  My NW65SP8 server
> has
> >>>> version 3.4.1.20081003.
> >>>
> >>> I don't know -- would this create and then populate the "file
> >>> protocols" section of iManager?
> >>>
> >>>> If not, I believe this is available as part of the storage-related
> plugins
> >>>> from http://download.novell.com/SummaryFree.jsp?buildid=UB61uxO83qk~<http://download.novell.com/SummaryFree.jsp?buildid=UB61uxO83qk%7E>
> >>>
> >>> I'll check and try that -- thnx!
> >>>
> >>
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>



-- 
Christopher Mangiarelli
cmangiarelli at gmail.com

From petervl at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 17:19:39 2009
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:19:39 -0500
Subject: configuring CIFS -- "File Protocols" not available in iManager?
In-Reply-To: <68b791330909170913x6dee23b6kcb259f6b6e7d6ac3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330909170755r7a3e2d5bn9829b8c318ded501@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB251A7.4050601@cam.ac.uk>
	<68b791330909170820m2498c526wd5aa17cf0a113114@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170827o7161feccy78cd17a78b52b3be@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170859h219ea507tcdd9a6b298ad81cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170901m3837f348j7fd3537c2e258762@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170913x6dee23b6kcb259f6b6e7d6ac3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68b791330909170919r72f71ebfkc40d263d8763da53@mail.gmail.com>

the "File Protocols" section offers:

samba
FTP (Netware)
NFS (Netware)

I am thinking it is supposed to offer:

CIFS (Netware)

But the cifs NPM has been installed, and has been added to the
collection ... and I've gone in and done a "reinstall" into the
collection as well.

God I hate Novell's management tools!



On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
> sigh
>
> so I was able to add the (not currently installed modules to the
> collection that my user object "owns". Also able to "update" all but
> one of the "outdated" modules.
>
> Now, I have a "File Protocols" section that offers "SAMBA" (not CIFS).
> When I go to it, I need to select a server. When I select the server
> that I know has cifs running on it, I get the following:
>
> "Error: ?Samba Error
>
> Could not find the CIM schema. "
>
> ROFLMAO
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> "You are currently logged in to rp_tree as MBT.RP with Collection Owner Access."
>>
>> would it just be simpler to change my iManager access mode to:
>>
>> " Unrestricted Access
>> This mode displays all of the roles and tasks installed. Although all
>> roles and tasks are visible, the authenticated user will still need
>> the necessary rights to use the tasks."
>>
>> How do I do that?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> So I downloaded and added the NPMs and then installed them, and then
>>> re-started tomcat and apache ... but there is no change that I can
>>> observe.
>>>
>>> I've looked through the items in "configure/Rolebased services" and I
>>> do not see any way to add/modify/get this stuff to display.
>>>
>>> Why in god's name need this process be so freaking complicated?
>>>
>>> Am I supposed to edit a "collection"? If so, I don't see anything in
>>> the "collection" that mentions anything about "file protocols" or
>>> CIFS.
>>>
>>> Is there a simple, clear path for doing this? I only want to manage
>>> CIFS -- does not seem as thought it should be so tough to do ...
>>>
>>> P
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> what seems really weird to me is that there are quite a few NPMs
>>>> installed that I don't see corresponding items for in the interface.
>>>> The storage management and NFS npm files are installed -- so one would
>>>> think that would create the "File Protocols" heading in iManager?
>>>>
>>>> But from the home page the only roles/tasks not being displayed
>>>> (according to the message on screen) are two specific certificate
>>>> modules that it says are no longer supported. Hmmm...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Simon Flood <smf34 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Which version of NetWare?
>>>>>
>>>>> 6.5 sp7
>>>>>
>>>>>> You mention iManager 2.7.3 but this is coming with OES2 SP2 Linux - NetWare
>>>>>> 6.5 SP8 has 2.7.2 so have you updated to 2.7.3?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know, but the version info I copied/pasted right out of my
>>>>> iManager "about" text. Perhaps iManager was updated -- though I do not
>>>>> remember having done that ...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you have the CIFS Management plugin installed? ?My NW65SP8 server has
>>>>>> version 3.4.1.20081003.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know -- would this create and then populate the "file
>>>>> protocols" section of iManager?
>>>>>
>>>>>> If not, I believe this is available as part of the storage-related plugins
>>>>>> from http://download.novell.com/SummaryFree.jsp?buildid=UB61uxO83qk~
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll check and try that -- thnx!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

From cmangiarelli at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 17:22:31 2009
From: cmangiarelli at gmail.com (Christopher Mangiarelli)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:22:31 -0400
Subject: configuring CIFS -- "File Protocols" not available in iManager?
In-Reply-To: <68b791330909170919r72f71ebfkc40d263d8763da53@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330909170755r7a3e2d5bn9829b8c318ded501@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB251A7.4050601@cam.ac.uk>
	<68b791330909170820m2498c526wd5aa17cf0a113114@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170827o7161feccy78cd17a78b52b3be@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170859h219ea507tcdd9a6b298ad81cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170901m3837f348j7fd3537c2e258762@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170913x6dee23b6kcb259f6b6e7d6ac3@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170919r72f71ebfkc40d263d8763da53@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f47566ff0909170922w7d7bf400pa177dd4063319dae@mail.gmail.com>

Weird, I've never had a problem once the proper plugins are installed and
registered with the RBS collection.  Samba is for the Linux stuff.  CIFS is
for the NetWare stuff.  What version of the storage and cifs plugins are you
using?

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:

> the "File Protocols" section offers:
>
> samba
> FTP (Netware)
> NFS (Netware)
>
> I am thinking it is supposed to offer:
>
> CIFS (Netware)
>
> But the cifs NPM has been installed, and has been added to the
> collection ... and I've gone in and done a "reinstall" into the
> collection as well.
>
> God I hate Novell's management tools!
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > sigh
> >
> > so I was able to add the (not currently installed modules to the
> > collection that my user object "owns". Also able to "update" all but
> > one of the "outdated" modules.
> >
> > Now, I have a "File Protocols" section that offers "SAMBA" (not CIFS).
> > When I go to it, I need to select a server. When I select the server
> > that I know has cifs running on it, I get the following:
> >
> > "Error:  Samba Error
> >
> > Could not find the CIM schema. "
> >
> > ROFLMAO
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> "You are currently logged in to rp_tree as MBT.RP with Collection Owner
> Access."
> >>
> >> would it just be simpler to change my iManager access mode to:
> >>
> >> " Unrestricted Access
> >> This mode displays all of the roles and tasks installed. Although all
> >> roles and tasks are visible, the authenticated user will still need
> >> the necessary rights to use the tasks."
> >>
> >> How do I do that?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> So I downloaded and added the NPMs and then installed them, and then
> >>> re-started tomcat and apache ... but there is no change that I can
> >>> observe.
> >>>
> >>> I've looked through the items in "configure/Rolebased services" and I
> >>> do not see any way to add/modify/get this stuff to display.
> >>>
> >>> Why in god's name need this process be so freaking complicated?
> >>>
> >>> Am I supposed to edit a "collection"? If so, I don't see anything in
> >>> the "collection" that mentions anything about "file protocols" or
> >>> CIFS.
> >>>
> >>> Is there a simple, clear path for doing this? I only want to manage
> >>> CIFS -- does not seem as thought it should be so tough to do ...
> >>>
> >>> P
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> what seems really weird to me is that there are quite a few NPMs
> >>>> installed that I don't see corresponding items for in the interface.
> >>>> The storage management and NFS npm files are installed -- so one would
> >>>> think that would create the "File Protocols" heading in iManager?
> >>>>
> >>>> But from the home page the only roles/tasks not being displayed
> >>>> (according to the message on screen) are two specific certificate
> >>>> modules that it says are no longer supported. Hmmm...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Simon Flood <smf34 at cam.ac.uk>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Which version of NetWare?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 6.5 sp7
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> You mention iManager 2.7.3 but this is coming with OES2 SP2 Linux -
> NetWare
> >>>>>> 6.5 SP8 has 2.7.2 so have you updated to 2.7.3?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't know, but the version info I copied/pasted right out of my
> >>>>> iManager "about" text. Perhaps iManager was updated -- though I do
> not
> >>>>> remember having done that ...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Do you have the CIFS Management plugin installed?  My NW65SP8 server
> has
> >>>>>> version 3.4.1.20081003.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't know -- would this create and then populate the "file
> >>>>> protocols" section of iManager?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> If not, I believe this is available as part of the storage-related
> plugins
> >>>>>> from
> http://download.novell.com/SummaryFree.jsp?buildid=UB61uxO83qk~<http://download.novell.com/SummaryFree.jsp?buildid=UB61uxO83qk%7E>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'll check and try that -- thnx!
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>



-- 
Christopher Mangiarelli
cmangiarelli at gmail.com

From James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com  Thu Sep 17 17:35:19 2009
From: James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com (James Taylor)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:35:19 -0400
Subject: configuring CIFS -- "File Protocols" not available in iManager?
In-Reply-To: <68b791330909170919r72f71ebfkc40d263d8763da53@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330909170755r7a3e2d5bn9829b8c318ded501@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB251A7.4050601@cam.ac.uk>
	<68b791330909170820m2498c526wd5aa17cf0a113114@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170827o7161feccy78cd17a78b52b3be@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170859h219ea507tcdd9a6b298ad81cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170901m3837f348j7fd3537c2e258762@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170913x6dee23b6kcb259f6b6e7d6ac3@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170919r72f71ebfkc40d263d8763da53@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB22D07020000750003FE74@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>

Do you possibly have both RBS 1.0 and RBS 2.0 objects in your tree?  Or possibly more than one RBS object in general?
You might consider blowing these away and recreating the RBS collect from scratch.  That will guarantee you have the  default collection owner rights, which should rule out issues due to access rights.
-jt
 

James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
678-697-9420
james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
http://www.eastcobbgroup.com




>>> Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> 9/17/2009  12:19 PM >>> 
the "File Protocols" section offers:

samba
FTP (Netware)
NFS (Netware)

I am thinking it is supposed to offer:

CIFS (Netware)

But the cifs NPM has been installed, and has been added to the
collection ... and I've gone in and done a "reinstall" into the
collection as well.

God I hate Novell's management tools!



On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
> sigh
>
> so I was able to add the (not currently installed modules to the
> collection that my user object "owns". Also able to "update" all but
> one of the "outdated" modules.
>
> Now, I have a "File Protocols" section that offers "SAMBA" (not CIFS).
> When I go to it, I need to select a server. When I select the server
> that I know has cifs running on it, I get the following:
>
> "Error:  Samba Error
>
> Could not find the CIM schema. "
>
> ROFLMAO
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> "You are currently logged in to rp_tree as MBT.RP with Collection Owner Access."
>>
>> would it just be simpler to change my iManager access mode to:
>>
>> " Unrestricted Access
>> This mode displays all of the roles and tasks installed. Although all
>> roles and tasks are visible, the authenticated user will still need
>> the necessary rights to use the tasks."
>>
>> How do I do that?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> So I downloaded and added the NPMs and then installed them, and then
>>> re-started tomcat and apache ... but there is no change that I can
>>> observe.
>>>
>>> I've looked through the items in "configure/Rolebased services" and I
>>> do not see any way to add/modify/get this stuff to display.
>>>
>>> Why in god's name need this process be so freaking complicated?
>>>
>>> Am I supposed to edit a "collection"? If so, I don't see anything in
>>> the "collection" that mentions anything about "file protocols" or
>>> CIFS.
>>>
>>> Is there a simple, clear path for doing this? I only want to manage
>>> CIFS -- does not seem as thought it should be so tough to do ...
>>>
>>> P
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> what seems really weird to me is that there are quite a few NPMs
>>>> installed that I don't see corresponding items for in the interface.
>>>> The storage management and NFS npm files are installed -- so one would
>>>> think that would create the "File Protocols" heading in iManager?
>>>>
>>>> But from the home page the only roles/tasks not being displayed
>>>> (according to the message on screen) are two specific certificate
>>>> modules that it says are no longer supported. Hmmm...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Simon Flood <smf34 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Which version of NetWare?
>>>>>
>>>>> 6.5 sp7
>>>>>
>>>>>> You mention iManager 2.7.3 but this is coming with OES2 SP2 Linux - NetWare
>>>>>> 6.5 SP8 has 2.7.2 so have you updated to 2.7.3?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know, but the version info I copied/pasted right out of my
>>>>> iManager "about" text. Perhaps iManager was updated -- though I do not
>>>>> remember having done that ...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you have the CIFS Management plugin installed?  My NW65SP8 server has
>>>>>> version 3.4.1.20081003.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know -- would this create and then populate the "file
>>>>> protocols" section of iManager?
>>>>>
>>>>>> If not, I believe this is available as part of the storage-related plugins
>>>>>> from http://download.novell.com/SummaryFree.jsp?buildid=UB61uxO83qk~
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll check and try that -- thnx!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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From petervl at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 17:37:06 2009
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:37:06 -0500
Subject: configuring CIFS -- "File Protocols" not available in iManager?
In-Reply-To: <f47566ff0909170922w7d7bf400pa177dd4063319dae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330909170755r7a3e2d5bn9829b8c318ded501@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB251A7.4050601@cam.ac.uk>
	<68b791330909170820m2498c526wd5aa17cf0a113114@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170827o7161feccy78cd17a78b52b3be@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170859h219ea507tcdd9a6b298ad81cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170901m3837f348j7fd3537c2e258762@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170913x6dee23b6kcb259f6b6e7d6ac3@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170919r72f71ebfkc40d263d8763da53@mail.gmail.com>
	<f47566ff0909170922w7d7bf400pa177dd4063319dae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68b791330909170937te26d672kf0245b2739ce4501@mail.gmail.com>

well your suggestion to restart tomcat5 seems to have, finally, done
it. The install instructions for the "storage related plugins" that I
installed said only to restart tomcat4 ... after doing that (and all
the RBS collection stuff) the "File Protocols" section and others were
added. But as soon as I also restarted tomcat5 now CIFS is available
...

good grief charlie brown!



, Christopher Mangiarelli <cmangiarelli at gmail.com> wrote:
> Weird, I've never had a problem once the proper plugins are installed and
> registered with the RBS collection. ?Samba is for the Linux stuff. ?CIFS is
> for the NetWare stuff. ?What version of the storage and cifs plugins are you
> using?
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> the "File Protocols" section offers:
>>
>> samba
>> FTP (Netware)
>> NFS (Netware)
>>
>> I am thinking it is supposed to offer:
>>
>> CIFS (Netware)
>>
>> But the cifs NPM has been installed, and has been added to the
>> collection ... and I've gone in and done a "reinstall" into the
>> collection as well.
>>
>> God I hate Novell's management tools!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > sigh
>> >
>> > so I was able to add the (not currently installed modules to the
>> > collection that my user object "owns". Also able to "update" all but
>> > one of the "outdated" modules.
>> >
>> > Now, I have a "File Protocols" section that offers "SAMBA" (not CIFS).
>> > When I go to it, I need to select a server. When I select the server
>> > that I know has cifs running on it, I get the following:
>> >
>> > "Error: ?Samba Error
>> >
>> > Could not find the CIM schema. "
>> >
>> > ROFLMAO
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> "You are currently logged in to rp_tree as MBT.RP with Collection Owner
>> Access."
>> >>
>> >> would it just be simpler to change my iManager access mode to:
>> >>
>> >> " Unrestricted Access
>> >> This mode displays all of the roles and tasks installed. Although all
>> >> roles and tasks are visible, the authenticated user will still need
>> >> the necessary rights to use the tasks."
>> >>
>> >> How do I do that?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>> So I downloaded and added the NPMs and then installed them, and then
>> >>> re-started tomcat and apache ... but there is no change that I can
>> >>> observe.
>> >>>
>> >>> I've looked through the items in "configure/Rolebased services" and I
>> >>> do not see any way to add/modify/get this stuff to display.
>> >>>
>> >>> Why in god's name need this process be so freaking complicated?
>> >>>
>> >>> Am I supposed to edit a "collection"? If so, I don't see anything in
>> >>> the "collection" that mentions anything about "file protocols" or
>> >>> CIFS.
>> >>>
>> >>> Is there a simple, clear path for doing this? I only want to manage
>> >>> CIFS -- does not seem as thought it should be so tough to do ...
>> >>>
>> >>> P
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>> what seems really weird to me is that there are quite a few NPMs
>> >>>> installed that I don't see corresponding items for in the interface.
>> >>>> The storage management and NFS npm files are installed -- so one would
>> >>>> think that would create the "File Protocols" heading in iManager?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> But from the home page the only roles/tasks not being displayed
>> >>>> (according to the message on screen) are two specific certificate
>> >>>> modules that it says are no longer supported. Hmmm...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Simon Flood <smf34 at cam.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Which version of NetWare?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 6.5 sp7
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> You mention iManager 2.7.3 but this is coming with OES2 SP2 Linux -
>> NetWare
>> >>>>>> 6.5 SP8 has 2.7.2 so have you updated to 2.7.3?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I don't know, but the version info I copied/pasted right out of my
>> >>>>> iManager "about" text. Perhaps iManager was updated -- though I do
>> not
>> >>>>> remember having done that ...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Do you have the CIFS Management plugin installed? ?My NW65SP8 server
>> has
>> >>>>>> version 3.4.1.20081003.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I don't know -- would this create and then populate the "file
>> >>>>> protocols" section of iManager?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> If not, I believe this is available as part of the storage-related
>> plugins
>> >>>>>> from
>> http://download.novell.com/SummaryFree.jsp?buildid=UB61uxO83qk~<http://download.novell.com/SummaryFree.jsp?buildid=UB61uxO83qk%7E>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I'll check and try that -- thnx!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Novell mailing list
>> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
>> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Christopher Mangiarelli
> cmangiarelli at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>

From cmangiarelli at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 17:43:00 2009
From: cmangiarelli at gmail.com (Christopher Mangiarelli)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:43:00 -0400
Subject: configuring CIFS -- "File Protocols" not available in iManager?
In-Reply-To: <68b791330909170937te26d672kf0245b2739ce4501@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330909170755r7a3e2d5bn9829b8c318ded501@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB251A7.4050601@cam.ac.uk>
	<68b791330909170820m2498c526wd5aa17cf0a113114@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170827o7161feccy78cd17a78b52b3be@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170859h219ea507tcdd9a6b298ad81cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170901m3837f348j7fd3537c2e258762@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170913x6dee23b6kcb259f6b6e7d6ac3@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170919r72f71ebfkc40d263d8763da53@mail.gmail.com>
	<f47566ff0909170922w7d7bf400pa177dd4063319dae@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170937te26d672kf0245b2739ce4501@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f47566ff0909170943n2390482bu48e80bc24b18ea02@mail.gmail.com>

iManager used to run under Tomcat4; but 2.7.x was moved to Tomcat5.  There
is probably still errors in the documentation.  Glad to hear its working.

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:

> well your suggestion to restart tomcat5 seems to have, finally, done
> it. The install instructions for the "storage related plugins" that I
> installed said only to restart tomcat4 ... after doing that (and all
> the RBS collection stuff) the "File Protocols" section and others were
> added. But as soon as I also restarted tomcat5 now CIFS is available
> ...
>
> good grief charlie brown!
>
>
>
> , Christopher Mangiarelli <cmangiarelli at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Weird, I've never had a problem once the proper plugins are installed and
> > registered with the RBS collection.  Samba is for the Linux stuff.  CIFS
> is
> > for the NetWare stuff.  What version of the storage and cifs plugins are
> you
> > using?
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> the "File Protocols" section offers:
> >>
> >> samba
> >> FTP (Netware)
> >> NFS (Netware)
> >>
> >> I am thinking it is supposed to offer:
> >>
> >> CIFS (Netware)
> >>
> >> But the cifs NPM has been installed, and has been added to the
> >> collection ... and I've gone in and done a "reinstall" into the
> >> collection as well.
> >>
> >> God I hate Novell's management tools!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > sigh
> >> >
> >> > so I was able to add the (not currently installed modules to the
> >> > collection that my user object "owns". Also able to "update" all but
> >> > one of the "outdated" modules.
> >> >
> >> > Now, I have a "File Protocols" section that offers "SAMBA" (not CIFS).
> >> > When I go to it, I need to select a server. When I select the server
> >> > that I know has cifs running on it, I get the following:
> >> >
> >> > "Error:  Samba Error
> >> >
> >> > Could not find the CIM schema. "
> >> >
> >> > ROFLMAO
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> "You are currently logged in to rp_tree as MBT.RP with Collection
> Owner
> >> Access."
> >> >>
> >> >> would it just be simpler to change my iManager access mode to:
> >> >>
> >> >> " Unrestricted Access
> >> >> This mode displays all of the roles and tasks installed. Although all
> >> >> roles and tasks are visible, the authenticated user will still need
> >> >> the necessary rights to use the tasks."
> >> >>
> >> >> How do I do that?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>> So I downloaded and added the NPMs and then installed them, and then
> >> >>> re-started tomcat and apache ... but there is no change that I can
> >> >>> observe.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I've looked through the items in "configure/Rolebased services" and
> I
> >> >>> do not see any way to add/modify/get this stuff to display.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Why in god's name need this process be so freaking complicated?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Am I supposed to edit a "collection"? If so, I don't see anything in
> >> >>> the "collection" that mentions anything about "file protocols" or
> >> >>> CIFS.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Is there a simple, clear path for doing this? I only want to manage
> >> >>> CIFS -- does not seem as thought it should be so tough to do ...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> P
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>> what seems really weird to me is that there are quite a few NPMs
> >> >>>> installed that I don't see corresponding items for in the
> interface.
> >> >>>> The storage management and NFS npm files are installed -- so one
> would
> >> >>>> think that would create the "File Protocols" heading in iManager?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> But from the home page the only roles/tasks not being displayed
> >> >>>> (according to the message on screen) are two specific certificate
> >> >>>> modules that it says are no longer supported. Hmmm...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Peter Van Lone <
> petervl at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Simon Flood <smf34 at cam.ac.uk>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Which version of NetWare?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> 6.5 sp7
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> You mention iManager 2.7.3 but this is coming with OES2 SP2 Linux
> -
> >> NetWare
> >> >>>>>> 6.5 SP8 has 2.7.2 so have you updated to 2.7.3?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I don't know, but the version info I copied/pasted right out of my
> >> >>>>> iManager "about" text. Perhaps iManager was updated -- though I do
> >> not
> >> >>>>> remember having done that ...
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Do you have the CIFS Management plugin installed?  My NW65SP8
> server
> >> has
> >> >>>>>> version 3.4.1.20081003.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I don't know -- would this create and then populate the "file
> >> >>>>> protocols" section of iManager?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> If not, I believe this is available as part of the
> storage-related
> >> plugins
> >> >>>>>> from
> >> http://download.novell.com/SummaryFree.jsp?buildid=UB61uxO83qk~<http://download.novell.com/SummaryFree.jsp?buildid=UB61uxO83qk%7E>
> <http://download.novell.com/SummaryFree.jsp?buildid=UB61uxO83qk%7E>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I'll check and try that -- thnx!
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Novell mailing list
> >> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> >> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Christopher Mangiarelli
> > cmangiarelli at gmail.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Novell mailing list
> > Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> > http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>



-- 
Christopher Mangiarelli
cmangiarelli at gmail.com

From RGrein at tpchd.org  Thu Sep 17 17:43:16 2009
From: RGrein at tpchd.org (Randy Grein)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:43:16 -0700
Subject: configuring CIFS -- "File Protocols" not available in iManager?
In-Reply-To: <68b791330909170937te26d672kf0245b2739ce4501@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68b791330909170755r7a3e2d5bn9829b8c318ded501@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB251A7.4050601@cam.ac.uk>
	<68b791330909170820m2498c526wd5aa17cf0a113114@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170827o7161feccy78cd17a78b52b3be@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170859h219ea507tcdd9a6b298ad81cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170901m3837f348j7fd3537c2e258762@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170913x6dee23b6kcb259f6b6e7d6ac3@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170919r72f71ebfkc40d263d8763da53@mail.gmail.com>
	<f47566ff0909170922w7d7bf400pa177dd4063319dae@mail.gmail.com>
	<68b791330909170937te26d672kf0245b2739ce4501@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB204B4020000720003BE67@health-mail2.tpchd.org>

Eh, yes - I ran into it once recently, so the information was fresh.
 
You might try the workstation version of iManager; easier to restart tomcat - just exit the app! (grin)
 
Randy Grein
Sr. Network Engineer
(253)798-6443


>>> Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> 9/17/2009 9:37 AM >>>
well your suggestion to restart tomcat5 seems to have, finally, done
it. The install instructions for the "storage related plugins" that I
installed said only to restart tomcat4 ... after doing that (and all
the RBS collection stuff) the "File Protocols" section and others were
added. But as soon as I also restarted tomcat5 now CIFS is available
...

good grief charlie brown!



, Christopher Mangiarelli <cmangiarelli at gmail.com> wrote:
> Weird, I've never had a problem once the proper plugins are installed and
> registered with the RBS collection.  Samba is for the Linux stuff.  CIFS is
> for the NetWare stuff.  What version of the storage and cifs plugins are you
> using?
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> the "File Protocols" section offers:
>>
>> samba
>> FTP (Netware)
>> NFS (Netware)
>>
>> I am thinking it is supposed to offer:
>>
>> CIFS (Netware)
>>
>> But the cifs NPM has been installed, and has been added to the
>> collection ... and I've gone in and done a "reinstall" into the
>> collection as well.
>>
>> God I hate Novell's management tools!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > sigh
>> >
>> > so I was able to add the (not currently installed modules to the
>> > collection that my user object "owns". Also able to "update" all but
>> > one of the "outdated" modules.
>> >
>> > Now, I have a "File Protocols" section that offers "SAMBA" (not CIFS).
>> > When I go to it, I need to select a server. When I select the server
>> > that I know has cifs running on it, I get the following:
>> >
>> > "Error:  Samba Error
>> >
>> > Could not find the CIM schema. "
>> >
>> > ROFLMAO
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> "You are currently logged in to rp_tree as MBT.RP with Collection Owner
>> Access."
>> >>
>> >> would it just be simpler to change my iManager access mode to:
>> >>
>> >> " Unrestricted Access
>> >> This mode displays all of the roles and tasks installed. Although all
>> >> roles and tasks are visible, the authenticated user will still need
>> >> the necessary rights to use the tasks."
>> >>
>> >> How do I do that?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>> So I downloaded and added the NPMs and then installed them, and then
>> >>> re-started tomcat and apache ... but there is no change that I can
>> >>> observe.
>> >>>
>> >>> I've looked through the items in "configure/Rolebased services" and I
>> >>> do not see any way to add/modify/get this stuff to display.
>> >>>
>> >>> Why in god's name need this process be so freaking complicated?
>> >>>
>> >>> Am I supposed to edit a "collection"? If so, I don't see anything in
>> >>> the "collection" that mentions anything about "file protocols" or
>> >>> CIFS.
>> >>>
>> >>> Is there a simple, clear path for doing this? I only want to manage
>> >>> CIFS -- does not seem as thought it should be so tough to do ...
>> >>>
>> >>> P
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>> what seems really weird to me is that there are quite a few NPMs
>> >>>> installed that I don't see corresponding items for in the interface.
>> >>>> The storage management and NFS npm files are installed -- so one would
>> >>>> think that would create the "File Protocols" heading in iManager?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> But from the home page the only roles/tasks not being displayed
>> >>>> (according to the message on screen) are two specific certificate
>> >>>> modules that it says are no longer supported. Hmmm...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Simon Flood <smf34 at cam.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Which version of NetWare?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 6.5 sp7
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> You mention iManager 2.7.3 but this is coming with OES2 SP2 Linux -
>> NetWare
>> >>>>>> 6.5 SP8 has 2.7.2 so have you updated to 2.7.3?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I don't know, but the version info I copied/pasted right out of my
>> >>>>> iManager "about" text. Perhaps iManager was updated -- though I do
>> not
>> >>>>> remember having done that ...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Do you have the CIFS Management plugin installed?  My NW65SP8 server
>> has
>> >>>>>> version 3.4.1.20081003.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I don't know -- would this create and then populate the "file
>> >>>>> protocols" section of iManager?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> If not, I believe this is available as part of the storage-related
>> plugins
>> >>>>>> from
>> http://download.novell.com/SummaryFree.jsp?buildid=UB61uxO83qk~<http://download.novell.com/SummaryFree.jsp?buildid=UB61uxO83qk%7E>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I'll check and try that -- thnx!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Novell mailing list
>> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
>> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Christopher Mangiarelli
> cmangiarelli at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>
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From joe.acquisto at gmail.com  Fri Sep 18 14:10:06 2009
From: joe.acquisto at gmail.com (joe Acquisto)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:10:06 -0400
Subject: How to track (Nolvell) bug status
Message-ID: <5e7da10a0909180610k6c726b84k25d9161765eb6998@mail.gmail.com>

I opened and SR that generatated a bug.  How can I track the status of this
bug.   Happens to be a GW bug, hence the post to both lists.

joe a

From joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk  Fri Sep 18 15:21:25 2009
From: joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe R. Doupnik)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:21:25 +0100
Subject: How to track (Nolvell) bug status
In-Reply-To: <5e7da10a0909180610k6c726b84k25d9161765eb6998@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e7da10a0909180610k6c726b84k25d9161765eb6998@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB39765.7070100@oucs.ox.ac.uk>

joe Acquisto wrote:
> I opened and SR that generatated a bug.  How can I track the status of this
> bug.   Happens to be a GW bug, hence the post to both lists.
>
> joe a
>   
---------------
    http://bugzilla.novell.com/   if it has been turned into a formal bug.
    Joe D.

From bbrush at gmail.com  Fri Sep 18 15:24:45 2009
From: bbrush at gmail.com (Bill Brush)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:24:45 -0500
Subject: How to track (Nolvell) bug status
In-Reply-To: <4AB39765.7070100@oucs.ox.ac.uk>
References: <5e7da10a0909180610k6c726b84k25d9161765eb6998@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB39765.7070100@oucs.ox.ac.uk>
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On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Joe R. Doupnik
<joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
> joe Acquisto wrote:
>>
>> I opened and SR that generatated a bug. ?How can I track the status of
>> this
>> bug. ? Happens to be a GW bug, hence the post to both lists.
>>
>> joe a
>>
>
> ---------------
> ? http://bugzilla.novell.com/ ? if it has been turned into a formal bug.



And if not, there's always this:

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~ssanty/cgi-bin/eightball.cgi

:-)

From joe.acquisto at gmail.com  Fri Sep 18 19:34:09 2009
From: joe.acquisto at gmail.com (joe Acquisto)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:34:09 -0400
Subject: How to track (Nolvell) bug status
In-Reply-To: <4AB39765.7070100@oucs.ox.ac.uk>
References: <5e7da10a0909180610k6c726b84k25d9161765eb6998@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB39765.7070100@oucs.ox.ac.uk>
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Created, bug it was. But have I, access not.

joe a.

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Joe R. Doupnik
<joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk>wrote:

>  joe Acquisto wrote:
>
>> I opened and SR that generatated a bug.  How can I track the status of
>> this
>> bug.   Happens to be a GW bug, hence the post to both lists.
>>
>> joe a
>>
>>
> ---------------
>   http://bugzilla.novell.com/   if it has been turned into a formal bug.
>   Joe D.
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>

From joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk  Sat Sep 19 11:19:24 2009
From: joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe Doupnik)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 11:19:24 +0100
Subject: How to track (Nolvell) bug status
In-Reply-To: <5e7da10a0909181134i5b367ddam63141f3f66726d57@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e7da10a0909180610k6c726b84k25d9161765eb6998@mail.gmail.com>	<4AB39765.7070100@oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<5e7da10a0909181134i5b367ddam63141f3f66726d57@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB4B02C.3030509@oucs.ox.ac.uk>

    The system seems to be like this.
We create a bug report, it goes to support
people for inspection. If they think it is really
a bug then they can make an entry into
bugzilla and hence notify the developers.
    Sometimes the support people will let
us know that the matter has reached that
stage, and in some of those cases they may
even give us a bugzilla incident number.
    Access to parts of bugzilla are restricted
so that the general public does not see
everything which is there. Occasionally
the originator of the report may be included
on an incident's progress report.
    The message before yours on my screen
this morning was of the last kind. A report
of mine was turned into a bugzilla item, I am
on the discussion list for it, and I just added
a note to assist things.
    In general though, we just have to hope
that bugs get fixed.
    Joe D.
-------------
joe Acquisto wrote:
> Created, bug it was. But have I, access not.
>
> joe a.
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Joe R. Doupnik
> <joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk>wrote:
>
>   
>>  joe Acquisto wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> I opened and SR that generatated a bug.  How can I track the status of
>>> this
>>> bug.   Happens to be a GW bug, hence the post to both lists.
>>>
>>> joe a
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> ---------------
>>   http://bugzilla.novell.com/   if it has been turned into a formal bug.
>>   Joe D.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Novell mailing list
>> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
>> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>>
>>     
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>   


From joea at j4computers.com  Sat Sep 19 13:45:32 2009
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 08:45:32 -0400
Subject: How to track (Nolvell) bug status
In-Reply-To: <4AB4B02C.3030509@oucs.ox.ac.uk>
References: <5e7da10a0909180610k6c726b84k25d9161765eb6998@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB39765.7070100@oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<5e7da10a0909181134i5b367ddam63141f3f66726d57@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB4B02C.3030509@oucs.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <4AB49A2C0200008500060499@FS-LIN-OES>

Aye.  'tis understood.  There is no technical or internal Corporate reason I should be a party to the bug track.  If I were to be, I would surely be a large PITA.

However.

The PTB wish to know the status of this bug as they wish to expand the use of (home grown) AD to eDir to GW info sync.   Not being able to completely "automate" that process is a stumbling block.   Right now it is "livable" as the information being sync'd (to GW) is limited and few users, day by day, are impacted.  
The "manual synch" of individual users (in GW) is not an undue burden.

Last I had heard, the fix would be in GW8 (only).  But, moving to 8, from 7, is a "project".  A formal one, in these Woods.

I have emailed the support person who related the bug creation, but have not heard back, yet.  Time Zones, vacation, etc, could account for that.   Patience, we must learn.

I recently retired the last NetWare server at this entity.  eDir, GW and OES are the only things Novell left there.   It would be a bad thing, especially for me, if Novell should not address this problem in a way that puts a smile on the face of a reasonably large customer.

This is not a Rant, just a knock on the door, which seems to say "Do Not Disturb".

joe a

>>> On 9/19/2009 at 6:19 AM, Joe Doupnik <joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
> The system seems to be like this.
> We create a bug report, it goes to support
> people for inspection. If they think it is really
> a bug then they can make an entry into
> bugzilla and hence notify the developers.
>     Sometimes the support people will let
> us know that the matter has reached that
> stage, and in some of those cases they may
> even give us a bugzilla incident number.
>     Access to parts of bugzilla are restricted
> so that the general public does not see
> everything which is there. Occasionally
> the originator of the report may be included
> on an incident's progress report.
>     The message before yours on my screen
> this morning was of the last kind. A report
> of mine was turned into a bugzilla item, I am
> on the discussion list for it, and I just added
> a note to assist things.
>     In general though, we just have to hope
> that bugs get fixed.
>     Joe D.
> -------------
> joe Acquisto wrote:
>> Created, bug it was. But have I, access not.
>>
>> joe a.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Joe R. Doupnik
>> <joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk>wrote:
>>
>>   
>>>  joe Acquisto wrote:
>>>
>>>     
>>>> I opened and SR that generatated a bug.  How can I track the status of
>>>> this
>>>> bug.   Happens to be a GW bug, hence the post to both lists.
>>>>
>>>> joe a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       
>>> ---------------
>>>   http://bugzilla.novell.com/   if it has been turned into a formal bug.
>>>   Joe D.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Novell mailing list
>>> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk 
>>> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell 
>>>
>>>     
>> _______________________________________________
>> Novell mailing list
>> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk 
>> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell 
>>   
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk 
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell 




From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk  Sat Sep 19 14:38:47 2009
From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (jrd)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 14:38:47 +0100
Subject: How to track (Nolvell) bug status
In-Reply-To: <4AB49A2C0200008500060499@FS-LIN-OES>
References: <5e7da10a0909180610k6c726b84k25d9161765eb6998@mail.gmail.com>	<4AB39765.7070100@oucs.ox.ac.uk>	<5e7da10a0909181134i5b367ddam63141f3f66726d57@mail.gmail.com>	<4AB4B02C.3030509@oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<4AB49A2C0200008500060499@FS-LIN-OES>
Message-ID: <4AB4DEE7.7060803@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

joea at j4computers.com wrote:
> Aye.  'tis understood.  There is no technical or internal Corporate reason I should be a party to the bug track.  If I were to be, I would surely be a large PITA.
> 
> However.
> 
> The PTB wish to know the status of this bug as they wish to expand the use of (home grown) AD to eDir to GW info sync.   Not being able to completely "automate" that process is a stumbling block.   Right now it is "livable" as the information being sync'd (to GW) is limited and few users, day by day, are impacted.  
> The "manual synch" of individual users (in GW) is not an undue burden.
> 
> Last I had heard, the fix would be in GW8 (only).  But, moving to 8, from 7, is a "project".  A formal one, in these Woods.
> 
> I have emailed the support person who related the bug creation, but have not heard back, yet.  Time Zones, vacation, etc, could account for that.   Patience, we must learn.
>
       That's your best contact. Wheels in "the system" move expectedly slowly, there are lots
and lots of reports to investigate and then plans for how to incorporate a fix in a patch or
service pack, etc.
       Joe D.

From mauricep at cds-cumberland.org  Mon Sep 21 23:28:00 2009
From: mauricep at cds-cumberland.org (Maurice)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:28:00 -0400
Subject: FOI request and a question from my boss to me
Message-ID: <4AB7FDF0.8090706@cds-cumberland.org>

FOI request and a question from my boss to me;

Running GroupWise 7.0.2HP

Seems we've been asked for copies of e-mails for multiple users for a 
"legal" review.

I've told the boss that I can only provide e-mails that the end user 
hasn't deleted and emptied, etc...
Done it before, many times, using the nice little tool from Formativ.

Basically as I understand it, and I'm no GW guru, the GWIA hands to the 
MTA, the MTA hands to the PO and the user views the e-mail via the GW 
client.
And there's no back-door, secret GW back-up of every e-mail received on 
the Server - correct?
He's seems to think all e-mail Servers have some secret storage of all 
e-mail, etc.

At this time we do not run a third party software package or appliance, 
so I can only export what the end users supply me...
Is this a correct statement?



Thanks


-- 
-Maurice Pelletier
Child Development Services - Cumberland County
50 Depot Road
Falmouth, ME 04105
207-781-8881 (voice)
207-781-8855 (fax)

www.cds-cumberland.org


"Linux -- it's not just for breakfast anymore..."
-Moe




From Steven.Tharp at davenport.edu  Tue Sep 22 03:16:12 2009
From: Steven.Tharp at davenport.edu (Steven Tharp)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:16:12 -0400
Subject: FOI request and a question from my boss to me
In-Reply-To: <4AB7FDF0.8090706@cds-cumberland.org>
References: <4AB7FDF0.8090706@cds-cumberland.org>
Message-ID: <4AB7FB2C.C4E4.0040.0@davenport.edu>

Most legal discovery should be done using third party tools and there are a few, I use Messaging Architects M+Archive. Yet it is possible to restore a GroupWise server to a virtual machine isolated from your network change a users password and be able to access all the email without their knowledge. 
 
Steven Tharp

>>> Maurice <mauricep at cds-cumberland.org> 09/21/09 6:28 PM >>>
FOI request and a question from my boss to me;

Running GroupWise 7.0.2HP

Seems we've been asked for copies of e-mails for multiple users for a 
"legal" review.

I've told the boss that I can only provide e-mails that the end user 
hasn't deleted and emptied, etc...
Done it before, many times, using the nice little tool from Formativ.

Basically as I understand it, and I'm no GW guru, the GWIA hands to the 
MTA, the MTA hands to the PO and the user views the e-mail via the GW 
client.
And there's no back-door, secret GW back-up of every e-mail received on 
the Server - correct?
He's seems to think all e-mail Servers have some secret storage of all 
e-mail, etc.

At this time we do not run a third party software package or appliance, 
so I can only export what the end users supply me...
Is this a correct statement?



Thanks


-- 
-Maurice Pelletier
Child Development Services - Cumberland County
50 Depot Road
Falmouth, ME 04105
207-781-8881 (voice)
207-781-8855 (fax)

www.cds-cumberland.org 


"Linux -- it's not just for breakfast anymore..."
-Moe



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From mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us  Tue Sep 22 13:40:50 2009
From: mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us (Matt Smith)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:40:50 -0400
Subject: FOI request and a question from my boss to me
In-Reply-To: <4AB7FDF0.8090706@cds-cumberland.org>
References: <4AB7FDF0.8090706@cds-cumberland.org>
Message-ID: <4AB8735F.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>


Hey Maurice,

I'm no GWguru either, but I do use a tool called GWcommander to
administratively create proxy rights so that our HR and other admins can
browse through a user's mail.  It's free and works well on GW7.  It's
not as easy to use as the commercial tools out there, but they cost a
lot of money.

I kind of like the GWcommander method I use because it puts the burden
of discovery and saving those emails onto the administrative/managerial
staff.

HBWare also has a GWadmin tool that's priced very reasonably.  It
allows you to set proxy access administratively also.  I tested it out
some and liked it, but never could get my boss to pay the bill.  I
forget the quote, but it wasn't much.

You can dump your Groupwise database, but if you haven't set it up,
there is no "secret store" for emails.  There is a way to set it up so
that your users can point to the database dump to recover deleted/lost
items.  If you're looking to pull individual records from your backup,
it's a real pain without some sort of commercial tool.  It can be done
though.

-Matt


>>> On 9/21/2009 at 6:28 PM, in message
<4AB7FDF0.8090706 at cds-cumberland.org>,
Maurice <mauricep at cds-cumberland.org> wrote:
> FOI request and a question from my boss to me;
> 
> Running GroupWise 7.0.2HP
> 
> Seems we've been asked for copies of e-mails for multiple users for a

> "legal" review.
> 
> I've told the boss that I can only provide e-mails that the end user

> hasn't deleted and emptied, etc...
> Done it before, many times, using the nice little tool from
Formativ.
> 
> Basically as I understand it, and I'm no GW guru, the GWIA hands to
the 
> MTA, the MTA hands to the PO and the user views the e-mail via the GW

> client.
> And there's no back-door, secret GW back-up of every e-mail received
on 
> the Server - correct?
> He's seems to think all e-mail Servers have some secret storage of
all 
> e-mail, etc.
> 
> At this time we do not run a third party software package or
appliance, 
> so I can only export what the end users supply me...
> Is this a correct statement?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 



-- 

Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685 x1314

From geoffreycarman at gmail.com  Tue Sep 22 14:00:34 2009
From: geoffreycarman at gmail.com (Geoffrey Carman)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:00:34 -0400
Subject: FOI request and a question from my boss to me
In-Reply-To: <4AB8735F.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
References: <4AB7FDF0.8090706@cds-cumberland.org>
	<4AB8735F.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
Message-ID: <993788ac0909220600l496b179ewe7db36b0bab67b7d@mail.gmail.com>

We have a client using Nexic to archive their email.  The clients
cannot delete or get rid of anything, until the Nexic job picks up the
email and stores it.

Which leads us into Quota issues as the job runs nightly.  And thus
users over quota cannot actually clean up to get space back without a
one day delay.




On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Matt Smith <mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us> wrote:
>
> Hey Maurice,
>
> I'm no GWguru either, but I do use a tool called GWcommander to
> administratively create proxy rights so that our HR and other admins can
> browse through a user's mail. ?It's free and works well on GW7. ?It's
> not as easy to use as the commercial tools out there, but they cost a
> lot of money.
>
> I kind of like the GWcommander method I use because it puts the burden
> of discovery and saving those emails onto the administrative/managerial
> staff.
>
> HBWare also has a GWadmin tool that's priced very reasonably. ?It
> allows you to set proxy access administratively also. ?I tested it out
> some and liked it, but never could get my boss to pay the bill. ?I
> forget the quote, but it wasn't much.
>
> You can dump your Groupwise database, but if you haven't set it up,
> there is no "secret store" for emails. ?There is a way to set it up so
> that your users can point to the database dump to recover deleted/lost
> items. ?If you're looking to pull individual records from your backup,
> it's a real pain without some sort of commercial tool. ?It can be done
> though.
>
> -Matt
>
>
>>>> On 9/21/2009 at 6:28 PM, in message
> <4AB7FDF0.8090706 at cds-cumberland.org>,
> Maurice <mauricep at cds-cumberland.org> wrote:
>> FOI request and a question from my boss to me;
>>
>> Running GroupWise 7.0.2HP
>>
>> Seems we've been asked for copies of e-mails for multiple users for a
>
>> "legal" review.
>>
>> I've told the boss that I can only provide e-mails that the end user
>
>> hasn't deleted and emptied, etc...
>> Done it before, many times, using the nice little tool from
> Formativ.
>>
>> Basically as I understand it, and I'm no GW guru, the GWIA hands to
> the
>> MTA, the MTA hands to the PO and the user views the e-mail via the GW
>
>> client.
>> And there's no back-door, secret GW back-up of every e-mail received
> on
>> the Server - correct?
>> He's seems to think all e-mail Servers have some secret storage of
> all
>> e-mail, etc.
>>
>> At this time we do not run a third party software package or
> appliance,
>> so I can only export what the end users supply me...
>> Is this a correct statement?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Matt Smith ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Network Technology Specialist
> Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
> Office of Instruction and Technology ? ? ? 706-769-5685 x1314
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>



-- 
Geoffrey Carman
geoffreycarman at gmail.com

From joe.acquisto at gmail.com  Tue Sep 22 14:34:04 2009
From: joe.acquisto at gmail.com (joe Acquisto)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:34:04 -0400
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11.
Message-ID: <5e7da10a0909220634l69f5bbe5m2bbe36abb01a8e53@mail.gmail.com>

RIP, Novell.

http://forums.novell.com/novell-community-forums-stuff/community-chat/386700-upcoming-support-changes.html

What are the people at Novell Marketing smoking?

joe a.

From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk  Tue Sep 22 15:43:04 2009
From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe R. Doupnik)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:43:04 +0100
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11.
In-Reply-To: <5e7da10a0909220634l69f5bbe5m2bbe36abb01a8e53@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e7da10a0909220634l69f5bbe5m2bbe36abb01a8e53@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB8E278.8030507@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

joe Acquisto wrote:
> RIP, Novell.
>
> http://forums.novell.com/novell-community-forums-stuff/community-chat/386700-upcoming-support-changes.html
>
> What are the people at Novell Marketing smoking?
>
> joe a.
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>   
------------------
       This movement was discussed at the TTP meeting in Provo this 
July. No one liked it, but HQ has said this is what will happen. As 
usual, writing responses to Novell might do some good, eventually.
       Joe D.

From joe.acquisto at gmail.com  Tue Sep 22 15:48:52 2009
From: joe.acquisto at gmail.com (joe Acquisto)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:48:52 -0400
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11.
In-Reply-To: <4AB8E278.8030507@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
References: <5e7da10a0909220634l69f5bbe5m2bbe36abb01a8e53@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB8E278.8030507@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <5e7da10a0909220748k5d59c5a3q5a8953b742513cc9@mail.gmail.com>

I have done so, by sending an email to crc(at)novell(dot)com, asking, in
subject line, for the email to be fowarded to John Dragoon.   Since direct
email addresses seem difficult for the average person to obtain, that seemed
the only avenue.

I have also suggested that tactic elsewhere.

joe a.

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Joe R. Doupnik
<jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>wrote:

> joe Acquisto wrote:
>
>>  RIP, Novell.
>>
>>
>> http://forums.novell.com/novell-community-forums-stuff/community-chat/386700-upcoming-support-changes.html
>>
>> What are the people at Novell Marketing smoking?
>>
>> joe a.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Novell mailing list
>> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
>> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>>
>>
> ------------------
>      This movement was discussed at the TTP meeting in Provo this July. No
> one liked it, but HQ has said this is what will happen. As usual, writing
> responses to Novell might do some good, eventually.
>      Joe D.
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>

From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk  Tue Sep 22 15:50:47 2009
From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe R. Doupnik)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:50:47 +0100
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11.
In-Reply-To: <5e7da10a0909220748k5d59c5a3q5a8953b742513cc9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e7da10a0909220634l69f5bbe5m2bbe36abb01a8e53@mail.gmail.com>	<4AB8E278.8030507@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<5e7da10a0909220748k5d59c5a3q5a8953b742513cc9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB8E447.1080803@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

joe Acquisto wrote:
> I have done so, by sending an email to crc(at)novell(dot)com, asking, in
> subject line, for the email to be fowarded to John Dragoon.   Since direct
> email addresses seem difficult for the average person to obtain, that seemed
> the only avenue.
>
> I have also suggested that tactic elsewhere.
>
> joe a.
>   
--------------
       Novell has an email alias scheme which usually accepts 
first.last  as the username. Usually.
       Joe D.

From hooeld at bay.k12.fl.us  Tue Sep 22 15:57:12 2009
From: hooeld at bay.k12.fl.us (Leslie Hooe)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:57:12 -0500
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11.
In-Reply-To: <4AB8E278.8030507@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
References: <5e7da10a0909220634l69f5bbe5m2bbe36abb01a8e53@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB8E278.8030507@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <4AB89F78020000010022EADA@BNGW.bay.k12.fl.us>

That will be the final nail for us. I have fought to stay away from the dark side for years.
 
I am being pushed/directed to make the move, and this is one less thing I can argue with.
 
 
 
Leslie Hooe
Project Manager, 
Network Services
Bay District Schools
(850) 747-5295 


>>> On 9/22/2009 at 9:43 AM, in message <4AB8E278.8030507 at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>, "Joe R. Doupnik" <jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> wrote:

joe Acquisto wrote:
> RIP, Novell.
>
> http://forums.novell.com/novell-community-forums-stuff/community-chat/386700-upcoming-support-changes.html
>
> What are the people at Novell Marketing smoking?
>
> joe a.
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>   
------------------
       This movement was discussed at the TTP meeting in Provo this 
July. No one liked it, but HQ has said this is what will happen. As 
usual, writing responses to Novell might do some good, eventually.
       Joe D.
_______________________________________________
Novell mailing list
Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell






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From mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us  Tue Sep 22 15:59:23 2009
From: mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us (Matt Smith)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:59:23 -0400
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11.
In-Reply-To: <5e7da10a0909220634l69f5bbe5m2bbe36abb01a8e53@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e7da10a0909220634l69f5bbe5m2bbe36abb01a8e53@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB8948D.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>

I don't see us dropping our ALA any time soon, but I wonder how Novell
thinks this benefits them?

-Matt

>>> On 9/22/2009 at 9:34 AM, in message
<5e7da10a0909220634l69f5bbe5m2bbe36abb01a8e53 at mail.gmail.com>, joe
Acquisto
<joe.acquisto at gmail.com> wrote:
> RIP, Novell.
> 
>
http://forums.novell.com/novell-community-forums-stuff/community-chat/386700-upco

> ming-support-changes.html
> 
> What are the people at Novell Marketing smoking?
> 
> joe a.
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk 
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell 


-- 

Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685 x1314

From joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk  Tue Sep 22 16:00:11 2009
From: joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe R. Doupnik)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:00:11 +0100
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11.
In-Reply-To: <4AB89F78020000010022EADA@BNGW.bay.k12.fl.us>
References: <5e7da10a0909220634l69f5bbe5m2bbe36abb01a8e53@mail.gmail.com>	<4AB8E278.8030507@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<4AB89F78020000010022EADA@BNGW.bay.k12.fl.us>
Message-ID: <4AB8E67B.6060405@oucs.ox.ac.uk>

Leslie Hooe wrote:
> That will be the final nail for us. I have fought to stay away from the dark side for years.
>  
> I am being pushed/directed to make the move, and this is one less thing I can argue with.
>  
>  
>  
> Leslie Hooe
> Project Manager, 
> Network Services
> Bay District Schools
> (850) 747-5295 
>   
--------------
       Yes, I know it rubs us the wrong way. But if we look at its 
impact upon us individually then it might be less than
we presently anticipate. The obvious includes not seeing what we don't 
own at the moment, thus we are not about
to purchase invisible things, and so on. The cover story I heard was 
other industry vendors do the same.
       Joe D.

From joe.acquisto at gmail.com  Tue Sep 22 16:02:05 2009
From: joe.acquisto at gmail.com (joe Acquisto)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:02:05 -0400
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11.
In-Reply-To: <4AB8E447.1080803@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
References: <5e7da10a0909220634l69f5bbe5m2bbe36abb01a8e53@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB8E278.8030507@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<5e7da10a0909220748k5d59c5a3q5a8953b742513cc9@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB8E447.1080803@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <5e7da10a0909220802x5dd81eebl26581dc1644da2db@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Joe R. Doupnik
<jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>wrote:

> joe Acquisto wrote:
>
>> I have done so, by sending an email to crc(at)novell(dot)com, asking, in
>> subject line, for the email to be fowarded to John Dragoon.   Since direct
>> email addresses seem difficult for the average person to obtain, that
>> seemed
>> the only avenue.
>>
>> I have also suggested that tactic elsewhere.
>>
>> joe a.
>>
>>
> --------------
>      Novell has an email alias scheme which usually accepts first.last  as
> the username. Usually.
>
>      Joe D.
>

Other that to Ron Hovsepian, are there others who might be
influenced/influential?   This might should be an off list discussion.

joe a.

From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk  Tue Sep 22 16:06:12 2009
From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe R. Doupnik)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:06:12 +0100
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11.
In-Reply-To: <5e7da10a0909220802x5dd81eebl26581dc1644da2db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e7da10a0909220634l69f5bbe5m2bbe36abb01a8e53@mail.gmail.com>	<4AB8E278.8030507@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>	<5e7da10a0909220748k5d59c5a3q5a8953b742513cc9@mail.gmail.com>	<4AB8E447.1080803@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<5e7da10a0909220802x5dd81eebl26581dc1644da2db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB8E7E4.3050104@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

joe Acquisto wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Joe R. Doupnik
> <jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>wrote:
>
>   
>> joe Acquisto wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> I have done so, by sending an email to crc(at)novell(dot)com, asking, in
>>> subject line, for the email to be fowarded to John Dragoon.   Since direct
>>> email addresses seem difficult for the average person to obtain, that
>>> seemed
>>> the only avenue.
>>>
>>> I have also suggested that tactic elsewhere.
>>>
>>> joe a.
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> --------------
>>      Novell has an email alias scheme which usually accepts first.last  as
>> the username. Usually.
>>
>>      Joe D.
>>
>>     
>
> Other that to Ron Hovsepian, are there others who might be
> influenced/influential?   This might should be an off list discussion.
>
> joe a.
>   
-----------------
        Count me out of this query. I know lots of influential people in 
the company, but this is a battle which I wish not to be involved with 
right now.
         Joe D.

From bbrush at gmail.com  Tue Sep 22 16:08:21 2009
From: bbrush at gmail.com (Bill Brush)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:08:21 -0500
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11.
In-Reply-To: <5e7da10a0909220802x5dd81eebl26581dc1644da2db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e7da10a0909220634l69f5bbe5m2bbe36abb01a8e53@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB8E278.8030507@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<5e7da10a0909220748k5d59c5a3q5a8953b742513cc9@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB8E447.1080803@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<5e7da10a0909220802x5dd81eebl26581dc1644da2db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <167f4090909220808y71656041qab99b80075f8219f@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:02 AM, joe Acquisto <joe.acquisto at gmail.com> wrote:

>>
>
> Other that to Ron Hovsepian, are there others who might be
> influenced/influential? ? This might should be an off list discussion.


On the contrary I find this to be on-topic and extraordinarily
pertinent to the interests of the members of this list.

For myself, despite the 100% negative reaction to this in public
forums, I am not optimistic that Novell will listen to their
customers.  This will not have the effect they are hoping for, which
is stimulating the VAR channel because they don't have a VAR channel
in huge swaths of the country, and rather than encouraging companies
to pony up to be partners, it will encourage customers to find other
solutions.

Bill

From geoffreycarman at gmail.com  Tue Sep 22 16:09:50 2009
From: geoffreycarman at gmail.com (Geoffrey Carman)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:09:50 -0400
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11.
In-Reply-To: <167f4090909220808y71656041qab99b80075f8219f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e7da10a0909220634l69f5bbe5m2bbe36abb01a8e53@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB8E278.8030507@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<5e7da10a0909220748k5d59c5a3q5a8953b742513cc9@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB8E447.1080803@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<5e7da10a0909220802x5dd81eebl26581dc1644da2db@mail.gmail.com>
	<167f4090909220808y71656041qab99b80075f8219f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <993788ac0909220809i7b21a1bbrc23d71722617ec60@mail.gmail.com>

The correct thing to do is to call your Novell Sales Rep and complain,
and complain bitterly.

The more customers that do that, the more likely it is to trickle up.

Note I say likely, as this seems to be fairly entrenched, and high up,
for unclear reasons!


On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Bill Brush <bbrush at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:02 AM, joe Acquisto <joe.acquisto at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>> Other that to Ron Hovsepian, are there others who might be
>> influenced/influential? ? This might should be an off list discussion.
>
>
> On the contrary I find this to be on-topic and extraordinarily
> pertinent to the interests of the members of this list.
>
> For myself, despite the 100% negative reaction to this in public
> forums, I am not optimistic that Novell will listen to their
> customers. ?This will not have the effect they are hoping for, which
> is stimulating the VAR channel because they don't have a VAR channel
> in huge swaths of the country, and rather than encouraging companies
> to pony up to be partners, it will encourage customers to find other
> solutions.
>
> Bill
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>



-- 
Geoffrey Carman
geoffreycarman at gmail.com

From RGrein at tpchd.org  Tue Sep 22 16:12:24 2009
From: RGrein at tpchd.org (Randy Grein)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:12:24 -0700
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11.
In-Reply-To: <4AB89F78020000010022EADA@BNGW.bay.k12.fl.us>
References: <5e7da10a0909220634l69f5bbe5m2bbe36abb01a8e53@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB8E278.8030507@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<4AB89F78020000010022EADA@BNGW.bay.k12.fl.us>
Message-ID: <4AB886E8020000720003C129@health-mail2.tpchd.org>

Myself as well. There's precious little Novell in the Seattle metro area these days, now there will be less. Any vague plans I had to go back to being an independent Novell consultant after the recovery kicks back in just got squashed - but more important I really can't recommend a company that does something like this.
 
Randy Grein
Sr. Network Engineer
(253)798-6443


>>> "Leslie Hooe" <hooeld at bay.k12.fl.us> 9/22/2009 7:57 AM >>>
That will be the final nail for us. I have fought to stay away from the dark side for years.

I am being pushed/directed to make the move, and this is one less thing I can argue with.



Leslie Hooe
Project Manager, 
Network Services
Bay District Schools
(850) 747-5295 


>>> On 9/22/2009 at 9:43 AM, in message <4AB8E278.8030507 at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>, "Joe R. Doupnik" <jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> wrote:

joe Acquisto wrote:
> RIP, Novell.
>
> http://forums.novell.com/novell-community-forums-stuff/community-chat/386700-upcoming-support-changes.html
>
> What are the people at Novell Marketing smoking?
>
> joe a.
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell
>   
------------------
       This movement was discussed at the TTP meeting in Provo this 
July. No one liked it, but HQ has said this is what will happen. As 
usual, writing responses to Novell might do some good, eventually.
       Joe D.
_______________________________________________
Novell mailing list
Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
http://netlab1.usu.edu/mailman/listinfo/novell






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From joe.acquisto at gmail.com  Tue Sep 22 16:28:52 2009
From: joe.acquisto at gmail.com (joe Acquisto)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:28:52 -0400
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11.
In-Reply-To: <167f4090909220808y71656041qab99b80075f8219f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e7da10a0909220634l69f5bbe5m2bbe36abb01a8e53@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB8E278.8030507@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<5e7da10a0909220748k5d59c5a3q5a8953b742513cc9@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB8E447.1080803@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<5e7da10a0909220802x5dd81eebl26581dc1644da2db@mail.gmail.com>
	<167f4090909220808y71656041qab99b80075f8219f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5e7da10a0909220828n21ed3800iee92f9a005eb12a2@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Bill Brush <bbrush at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:02 AM, joe Acquisto <joe.acquisto at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >>
> >
> > Other that to Ron Hovsepian, are there others who might be
> > influenced/influential?   This might should be an off list discussion.
>
>
> On the contrary I find this to be on-topic and extraordinarily
> pertinent to the interests of the members of this list.
>
That was directed to Joe D, mainly, and should have been sent off list to
begin with.   Please excuse that.

Years ago, it was an axiom, in the Marketing world, that for every
individual
negative correspondence a company received, there were 100 seething
customers
"out there".   (or 1,000, depending on who was chatting).

The point being, that upper management would sit up and take notice, when
some
customer had the chutzpah to address them, directly, with a complaint.

Is that still being taught in marketing 101?  I know not.

But count not on you local rep to stand up, or stick his neck out.  If you
have one.

Send letters on your own.  At least you will have done something positive,
on your own.

joe a.

From joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk  Tue Sep 22 16:44:34 2009
From: joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe R. Doupnik)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:44:34 +0100
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11.
In-Reply-To: <5e7da10a0909220828n21ed3800iee92f9a005eb12a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e7da10a0909220634l69f5bbe5m2bbe36abb01a8e53@mail.gmail.com>	<4AB8E278.8030507@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>	<5e7da10a0909220748k5d59c5a3q5a8953b742513cc9@mail.gmail.com>	<4AB8E447.1080803@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>	<5e7da10a0909220802x5dd81eebl26581dc1644da2db@mail.gmail.com>	<167f4090909220808y71656041qab99b80075f8219f@mail.gmail.com>
	<5e7da10a0909220828n21ed3800iee92f9a005eb12a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB8F0E2.6010705@oucs.ox.ac.uk>

joe Acquisto wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Bill Brush <bbrush at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:02 AM, joe Acquisto <joe.acquisto at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Other that to Ron Hovsepian, are there others who might be
>>> influenced/influential?   This might should be an off list discussion.
>>>       
>> On the contrary I find this to be on-topic and extraordinarily
>> pertinent to the interests of the members of this list.
>>
>>     
> That was directed to Joe D, mainly, and should have been sent off list to
> begin with.   Please excuse that.
>
>   
----------------------
       I suspected as much, but as I mentioned, please bypass me on this 
matter.  I have my own set of relationships to tend and struggles to 
pursue. Customers paying large sums of money will likely receive more 
attention than myself.
       Joe D.


From vince at mpsvt.org  Tue Sep 22 16:45:14 2009
From: vince at mpsvt.org (Vincent Rossano)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:45:14 -0400
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11.
In-Reply-To: <4AB89F78020000010022EADA@BNGW.bay.k12.fl.us>
References: <5e7da10a0909220634l69f5bbe5m2bbe36abb01a8e53@mail.gmail.com><4AB8E278.8030507@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<4AB89F78020000010022EADA@BNGW.bay.k12.fl.us>
Message-ID: <1B5071E6C3B24A0C9758CA3BB8E6E540@covincexp1>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: novell-bounces at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> [mailto:novell-bounces at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Leslie Hooe
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:57 AM
> To: Novell LAN Interest Group
> Subject: Re: Support Changes? Requiem at 11.
>
> That will be the final nail for us. I have fought to stay
> away from the dark side for years.

Same here.  I only have a few years until retirement and was hoping to
hold out until then, but this is too much for a small school district like
ours.  Perhaps Novell figures they can lose the few little guys like us
left in their camp without affecting them at all. Perhaps we cost them
more than our little SLAs bring in.  Perhaps both of those things are
true.  In any case, bye, bye, Novell.

And I remember how proud I was when that first red box arrived so many
years ago.  But they just couldn't get the marketing right, could they?
Still can't.  "Sic transit gloria mundi."

-Vince

Vincent Rossano
Information Technology Director
Montpelier Public Schools
5 High School Drive, Unit #1
Montpelier, VT 05602
(802) 225-8690

From vince at mpsvt.org  Tue Sep 22 20:01:04 2009
From: vince at mpsvt.org (Vincent Rossano)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:01:04 -0400
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11. - revisited
References: <5e7da10a0909220634l69f5bbe5m2bbe36abb01a8e53@mail.gmail.com><4AB8E278.8030507@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<4AB89F78020000010022EADA@BNGW.bay.k12.fl.us>
Message-ID: <9B93C5371DDD43C39AB9F9898132C1F2@covincexp1>

When I was kissing Novell good-bye earlier today, I guess I was thinking
they were requiring a "support contract" (which I can't afford) rather
than a "maintenance agreement".  An SLA (which I have) constitutes a
maintenance agreement, doesn't it?  If so, I would be unscathed by this
latest Novell disaster, and might yet make it to retirement using Novell
products.

-Vince

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vincent Rossano [mailto:vince at mpsvt.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 11:45 AM
> To: 'Novell LAN Interest Group'
> Subject: RE: Support Changes? Requiem at 11.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: novell-bounces at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk
> > [mailto:novell-bounces at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
> Leslie Hooe
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:57 AM
> > To: Novell LAN Interest Group
> > Subject: Re: Support Changes? Requiem at 11.
> >
> > That will be the final nail for us. I have fought to stay away from
> > the dark side for years.
>
> Same here.  I only have a few years until retirement and was
> hoping to hold out until then, but this is too much for a
> small school district like ours.  Perhaps Novell figures they
> can lose the few little guys like us left in their camp
> without affecting them at all. Perhaps we cost them more than
> our little SLAs bring in.  Perhaps both of those things are
> true.  In any case, bye, bye, Novell.
>
> And I remember how proud I was when that first red box
> arrived so many years ago.  But they just couldn't get the
> marketing right, could they?  Still can't.  "Sic transit
> gloria mundi."
>
> -Vince
>
> Vincent Rossano
> Information Technology Director
> Montpelier Public Schools
> 5 High School Drive, Unit #1
> Montpelier, VT 05602
> (802) 225-8690
>
>
>
>
>

From Hatchellb at vvc.edu  Tue Sep 22 16:09:19 2009
From: Hatchellb at vvc.edu (Brian Hatchell)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:09:19 -0700
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11.
In-Reply-To: <4AB89F78020000010022EADA@BNGW.bay.k12.fl.us>
References: <5e7da10a0909220634l69f5bbe5m2bbe36abb01a8e53@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB8E278.8030507@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<4AB89F78020000010022EADA@BNGW.bay.k12.fl.us>
Message-ID: <4AB8862F0200002400045D38@lola.vvc.edu>

List:
 
Yep, this will be it for us.  I will be immediately researching M$oft
migration strategies.  We have already started to deploy LANDesk as ZCM
10 has had the most issues of any Novell product we have ever seen.
 
I have worked with Novell Products since the early 90's and have
watched the company go downhill steadily since then.
 
With the massive discounts and the improvements the people in Redmond
offer, there is no way that I can justify the Novell bill anymore.
 
We had considered going the SUSE route, however the products just
aren't ready for prime time IMHO.
 
I am copying my reseller on this BC.
 
Brian Hatchell
Network Manager
Victor Valley College
760 245-4271 x2792

 For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public
relations, for Nature cannot be fooled ?Richard P. Feynman


Twitter:@vvcit or http://twitter.com/vvcit
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>>> On 9/22/2009 at 7:57 AM, in message
<4AB89F78020000010022EADA at BNGW.bay.k12.fl.us>, "Leslie Hooe"
<hooeld at bay.k12.fl.us> wrote:

That will be the final nail for us. I have fought to stay away from the
dark side for years.

I am being pushed/directed to make the move, and this is one less thing
I can argue with.



Leslie Hooe
Project Manager, 
Network Services
Bay District Schools
(850) 747-5295 


>>> On 9/22/2009 at 9:43 AM, in message
<4AB8E278.8030507 at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>, "Joe R. Doupnik"
<jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> wrote:

joe Acquisto wrote:
> RIP, Novell.
>
>
http://forums.novell.com/novell-community-forums-stuff/community-chat/386700-upcoming-support-changes.html
>
> What are the people at Novell Marketing smoking?
>
> joe a.
> _______________________________________________
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>   
------------------
       This movement was discussed at the TTP meeting in Provo this 
July. No one liked it, but HQ has said this is what will happen. As 
usual, writing responses to Novell might do some good, eventually.
       Joe D.
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From RZeman at melwood.org  Tue Sep 22 20:34:36 2009
From: RZeman at melwood.org (Richard Zeman)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:34:36 -0400
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11.
In-Reply-To: <5e7da10a0909220828n21ed3800iee92f9a005eb12a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e7da10a0909220634l69f5bbe5m2bbe36abb01a8e53@mail.gmail.com>
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	<5e7da10a0909220748k5d59c5a3q5a8953b742513cc9@mail.gmail.com>
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Isn't "Novell Marketing" and oxymoron, Joe?

>>> joe Acquisto <joe.acquisto at gmail.com> 9/22/2009 11:28 AM >>>
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Bill Brush <bbrush at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:02 AM, joe Acquisto <joe.acquisto at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >>
> >
> > Other that to Ron Hovsepian, are there others who might be
> > influenced/influential?   This might should be an off list discussion.
>
>
> On the contrary I find this to be on-topic and extraordinarily
> pertinent to the interests of the members of this list.I
>
That was directed to Joe D, mainly, and should have been sent off list to
begin with.   Please excuse that.

Years ago, it was an axiom, in the Marketing world, that for every
individual
negative correspondence a company received, there were 100 seething
customers
"out there".   (or 1,000, depending on who was chatting).

The point being, that upper management would sit up and take notice, when
some
customer had the chutzpah to address them, directly, with a complaint.

Is that still being taught in marketing 101?  I know not.

But count not on you local rep to stand up, or stick his neck out.  If you
have one.

Send letters on your own.  At least you will have done something positive,
on your own.

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From lists at shuters.net  Wed Sep 23 12:51:23 2009
From: lists at shuters.net (Matthew Shuter)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:51:23 -0400
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11. - revisited
In-Reply-To: <9B93C5371DDD43C39AB9F9898132C1F2@covincexp1>
References: <5e7da10a0909220634l69f5bbe5m2bbe36abb01a8e53@mail.gmail.com><4AB8E278.8030507@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>	<4AB89F78020000010022EADA@BNGW.bay.k12.fl.us>
	<9B93C5371DDD43C39AB9F9898132C1F2@covincexp1>
Message-ID: <4ABA0BBB.5090101@shuters.net>

according to our inside sales rep, our SLA means no change for us.

the changes will occur/affect later due to mass exodus of other customers

Vincent Rossano wrote:
> An SLA (which I have) constitutes a
> maintenance agreement, doesn't it?  If so, I would be unscathed by this
> latest Novell disaster, and might yet make it to retirement using Novell
> products.
>
> -Vince
>
>   



From Steven.Tharp at davenport.edu  Wed Sep 23 13:04:24 2009
From: Steven.Tharp at davenport.edu (Steven Tharp)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:04:24 -0400
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11. - revisited
In-Reply-To: <4ABA0BBB.5090101@shuters.net>
References: <5e7da10a0909220634l69f5bbe5m2bbe36abb01a8e53@mail.gmail.com><4AB8E278.8030507@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>	<4AB89F78020000010022EADA@BNGW.bay.k12.fl.us>
	<9B93C5371DDD43C39AB9F9898132C1F2@covincexp1><9B93C5371DDD43C39AB9F9898132C1F2@covincexp1>
	<4ABA0BBB.5090101@shuters.net>
Message-ID: <4AB9D6DE.C4E4.0040.0@davenport.edu>

I am opposed to this move by Novell and think they are making a mistake, but lets be honest nobody's dropping Cisco who has the exact same requirements for patches and TIDS. 
 
Steven Tharp

>>> Matthew Shuter <lists at shuters.net> 9/23/2009 7:51 AM >>>
according to our inside sales rep, our SLA means no change for us.

the changes will occur/affect later due to mass exodus of other customers

Vincent Rossano wrote:
> An SLA (which I have) constitutes a
> maintenance agreement, doesn't it?  If so, I would be unscathed by this
> latest Novell disaster, and might yet make it to retirement using Novell
> products.
>
> -Vince
>
>   


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From Craig_Kramer at ned.uscourts.gov  Wed Sep 23 13:57:45 2009
From: Craig_Kramer at ned.uscourts.gov (Craig Kramer)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:57:45 -0500
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11. - revisited
Message-ID: <sab9d514.086@enterprise.ned.circ8.dcn>

I've dropped Cisco for that very reason and started replacing everything with HP Procurve switches.


>>> Steven.Tharp at davenport.edu 09/23/2009 7:04 AM >>>

I am opposed to this move by Novell and think they are making a mistake, but lets be honest nobody's dropping Cisco who has the exact same requirements for patches and TIDS. 

Steven Tharp

>>> Matthew Shuter <lists at shuters.net> 9/23/2009 7:51 AM >>>
according to our inside sales rep, our SLA means no change for us.

the changes will occur/affect later due to mass exodus of other customers

Vincent Rossano wrote:
> An SLA (which I have) constitutes a
> maintenance agreement, doesn't it?  If so, I would be unscathed by this
> latest Novell disaster, and might yet make it to retirement using Novell
> products.
>
> -Vince
>
>   


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From joea at j4computers.com  Wed Sep 23 14:08:44 2009
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:08:44 -0400
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11. - revisited
Message-ID: <4AB9E5B1020000850006050B@FS-LIN-OES>

I think that is a bit of an overstatement, but would be very hard to quantify, one way or the other.
 
Then there are those who, when shopping, will simply move on to another vendor, when presented with those requirements.  Granted, mostly "small" customer.  Which, apparently, these days, is anyone grossing under 100 Million, per annum.
 
joe a.

>>> "Steven Tharp" <Steven.Tharp at davenport.edu> 09/23/09 8:07 AM >>> 
I am opposed to this move by Novell and think they are making a mistake, but lets be honest nobody's dropping Cisco who has the exact same requirements for patches and TIDS. 

Steven Tharp 

>>> Matthew Shuter 
NaN.  9/23/2009 7:51 AM >>> 
according to our inside sales rep, our SLA means no change for us. 

the changes will occur/affect later due to mass exodus of other customers 

Vincent Rossano wrote: 
> An SLA (which I have) constitutes a 
> maintenance agreement, doesn't it? If so, I would be unscathed by this 
> latest Novell disaster, and might yet make it to retirement using Novell 
> products. 
> 
> -Vince 
> 
> 


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From bbrush at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 15:00:11 2009
From: bbrush at gmail.com (Bill Brush)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:00:11 -0500
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11. - revisited
In-Reply-To: <4AB9D6DE.C4E4.0040.0@davenport.edu>
References: <5e7da10a0909220634l69f5bbe5m2bbe36abb01a8e53@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB8E278.8030507@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<4AB89F78020000010022EADA@BNGW.bay.k12.fl.us>
	<9B93C5371DDD43C39AB9F9898132C1F2@covincexp1>
	<4ABA0BBB.5090101@shuters.net> <4AB9D6DE.C4E4.0040.0@davenport.edu>
Message-ID: <167f4090909230700i677d7614p417df737ffc9db00@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:04 AM, Steven Tharp
<Steven.Tharp at davenport.edu> wrote:
> I am opposed to this move by Novell and think they are making a mistake, but lets be honest nobody's dropping Cisco who has the exact same requirements for patches and TIDS.
>
> Steven Tharp


Cisco's market share is significantly different than Novell's, with no
serious challengers.   Novell, not so much.  A market leader can make
an unpopular move without it being fatal.

Bill

From gbeckmeyer at acgih.org  Wed Sep 23 15:03:44 2009
From: gbeckmeyer at acgih.org (Greg Beckmeyer)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:03:44 -0400
Subject: 6.5 backup to HD
Message-ID: <sab9f28a.046@acgih2.acgih.org>

Have a netware 6.5 SBS server with a failing tape drive.  I've already
bought a couple sata drives and enclosures to investigate going that
route with backups instead of forking out $1000+ for another tape drive
that will likely fail again in a few years.  Very small environment,
just the single server with a 400Gb raid5 array to backup.  Our version
of BackupExec doesn't support backup to disk, so I've considered and
need to test rsync and Yosemite backup, and just realized Portlock might
be another possible option if its possible to restore individual files
and not just an entire image.  Running Groupwise too, but currently
using dbcopy to get a backup on disk and excluding the live domain/po
from the nightly tape backup so I'm assuming any of these options will
work the same.

Just looking for input from anyone currently using any of these options
(or others, on an extremely low budget) for disk to disk backup.

Thanks,
Greg Beckmeyer


From Steven.Tharp at davenport.edu  Wed Sep 23 15:13:46 2009
From: Steven.Tharp at davenport.edu (Steven Tharp)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:13:46 -0400
Subject: 6.5 backup to HD
In-Reply-To: <sab9f28a.046@acgih2.acgih.org>
References: <sab9f28a.046@acgih2.acgih.org>
Message-ID: <4AB9F52F.C4E4.0040.0@davenport.edu>

Like and use Rsync not for this exact use but a similar purpose. Lack some of the reporting and open file management that fancy backup programs give you but still a good alternative. 
 
Steven Tharp

>>> "Greg Beckmeyer" <gbeckmeyer at acgih.org> 9/23/2009 10:03 AM >>>
Have a netware 6.5 SBS server with a failing tape drive.  I've already
bought a couple sata drives and enclosures to investigate going that
route with backups instead of forking out $1000+ for another tape drive
that will likely fail again in a few years.  Very small environment,
just the single server with a 400Gb raid5 array to backup.  Our version
of BackupExec doesn't support backup to disk, so I've considered and
need to test rsync and Yosemite backup, and just realized Portlock might
be another possible option if its possible to restore individual files
and not just an entire image.  Running Groupwise too, but currently
using dbcopy to get a backup on disk and excluding the live domain/po
from the nightly tape backup so I'm assuming any of these options will
work the same.

Just looking for input from anyone currently using any of these options
(or others, on an extremely low budget) for disk to disk backup.

Thanks,
Greg Beckmeyer

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From mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us  Wed Sep 23 15:15:53 2009
From: mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us (Matt Smith)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:15:53 -0400
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11. - revisited
In-Reply-To: <167f4090909230700i677d7614p417df737ffc9db00@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e7da10a0909220634l69f5bbe5m2bbe36abb01a8e53@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB8E278.8030507@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<4AB89F78020000010022EADA@BNGW.bay.k12.fl.us>
	<9B93C5371DDD43C39AB9F9898132C1F2@covincexp1>
	<4ABA0BBB.5090101@shuters.net> <4AB9D6DE.C4E4.0040.0@davenport.edu>
	<167f4090909230700i677d7614p417df737ffc9db00@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AB9F558.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>

>>> On 9/23/2009 at 10:00 AM, in message
<167f4090909230700i677d7614p417df737ffc9db00 at mail.gmail.com>, Bill
Brush
<bbrush at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:04 AM, Steven Tharp
> <Steven.Tharp at davenport.edu> wrote:
>> I am opposed to this move by Novell and think they are making a
mistake, but 
> lets be honest nobody's dropping Cisco who has the exact same
requirements 
> for patches and TIDS.
>>
>> Steven Tharp
> 
> 
> Cisco's market share is significantly different than Novell's, with
no
> serious challengers.   Novell, not so much.  A market leader can
make
> an unpopular move without it being fatal.

I think it's a silly move too.  At the same time, I think calling this
"fatal" is an over-dramatization.  People, many of us even, have been
saying Novell's going under any day now.  Still hasn't happened.

I don't think this means a thing for large customers who carry license
agreements of one sort or another.  It seems like this move might
discourage small business customers, but how many of those does Novell
have nowadays anyway?  

-Matt
-- 

Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685 x1314

From larry at ladyburd.com  Wed Sep 23 15:27:12 2009
From: larry at ladyburd.com (Larry Burd)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:27:12 -0400
Subject: done
Message-ID: <aa8faa50e819484080422317653be0ff@ladyburd.com>

my friend works for cablevision with 45,000 novell users.   They are now migrating to AD.   Groupwise will be gone soon for exchange.

it'll be a slow migration for us too, with only 50 users,  but the time has come.   I'm taking MS classes now, which I think are poorly designed, but I see no other option.

From James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com  Wed Sep 23 15:24:44 2009
From: James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com (James Taylor)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:24:44 -0400
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11. - revisited
In-Reply-To: <4AB9F558.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
References: <5e7da10a0909220634l69f5bbe5m2bbe36abb01a8e53@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB8E278.8030507@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<4AB89F78020000010022EADA@BNGW.bay.k12.fl.us>
	<9B93C5371DDD43C39AB9F9898132C1F2@covincexp1>
	<4ABA0BBB.5090101@shuters.net> <4AB9D6DE.C4E4.0040.0@davenport.edu>
	<167f4090909230700i677d7614p417df737ffc9db00@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB9F558.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
Message-ID: <4AB9F76C020000750004095A@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>

Not nearly enough.
There are thousands of small business customers for every large customer.
Small business is what is a major factor in perceived, if not actual, market share.
Without a successful small business market a company will lose relevance and with it, larger customers.
-jt 
 

James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
678-697-9420
james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
http://www.eastcobbgroup.com




>>> "Matt Smith" <mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us> 9/23/2009  10:15 AM >>> 
>>> On 9/23/2009 at 10:00 AM, in message
<167f4090909230700i677d7614p417df737ffc9db00 at mail.gmail.com>, Bill
Brush
<bbrush at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:04 AM, Steven Tharp
> <Steven.Tharp at davenport.edu> wrote:
>> I am opposed to this move by Novell and think they are making a
mistake, but 
> lets be honest nobody's dropping Cisco who has the exact same
requirements 
> for patches and TIDS.
>>
>> Steven Tharp
> 
> 
> Cisco's market share is significantly different than Novell's, with
no
> serious challengers.   Novell, not so much.  A market leader can
make
> an unpopular move without it being fatal.

I think it's a silly move too.  At the same time, I think calling this
"fatal" is an over-dramatization.  People, many of us even, have been
saying Novell's going under any day now.  Still hasn't happened.

I don't think this means a thing for large customers who carry license
agreements of one sort or another.  It seems like this move might
discourage small business customers, but how many of those does Novell
have nowadays anyway?  

-Matt
-- 

Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685 x1314
_______________________________________________
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From mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us  Wed Sep 23 15:40:15 2009
From: mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us (Matt Smith)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:40:15 -0400
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11. - revisited
In-Reply-To: <4AB9F76C020000750004095A@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>
References: <5e7da10a0909220634l69f5bbe5m2bbe36abb01a8e53@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB8E278.8030507@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<4AB89F78020000010022EADA@BNGW.bay.k12.fl.us>
	<9B93C5371DDD43C39AB9F9898132C1F2@covincexp1>
	<4ABA0BBB.5090101@shuters.net> <4AB9D6DE.C4E4.0040.0@davenport.edu>
	<167f4090909230700i677d7614p417df737ffc9db00@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB9F558.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
	<4AB9F76C020000750004095A@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>
Message-ID: <4AB9FB0E.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>

>>> On 9/23/2009 at 10:24 AM, in message
<4AB9F76C020000750004095A at inet.eastcobbgroup.com>, "James Taylor"
<James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com> wrote:
> Not nearly enough.
> There are thousands of small business customers for every large
customer.
> Small business is what is a major factor in perceived, if not actual,
market 
> share.
> Without a successful small business market a company will lose
relevance and 
> with it, larger customers.
> -jt 

I do agree absolutely.  It might have sounded like I was dismissing the
small business market, but that is exactly where Novell lost their
traction, mostly to Microsoft.  My feeling is people look to Apple as an
alternative to a MS solution for small business.  Novell's pretty much a
nonstarter in this segment, seems to me.

It's really too bad.  Novell's the only vendor outside of Microsoft,
that provides a complete end-to-end solution for network, server, and
desktop management.  And it works well, at least for the Windows side of
things.

Novell seems focused almost exclusively on their large customers,
particularly those that could be considered "enterprise" class.  From a
business angle, it does puzzle me that Novell doesn't put more effort
into wooing small business.  I keep hearing lots of stuff about reaching
out to channel partners and such, but from where I'm sitting, I'm just
not seeing any tangible results.

-Matt
-- 

Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685 x1314

From RGrein at tpchd.org  Wed Sep 23 15:40:30 2009
From: RGrein at tpchd.org (Randy Grein)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:40:30 -0700
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11. - revisited
In-Reply-To: <4AB9F76C020000750004095A@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>
References: <5e7da10a0909220634l69f5bbe5m2bbe36abb01a8e53@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB8E278.8030507@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
	<4AB89F78020000010022EADA@BNGW.bay.k12.fl.us>
	<9B93C5371DDD43C39AB9F9898132C1F2@covincexp1>
	<4ABA0BBB.5090101@shuters.net> <4AB9D6DE.C4E4.0040.0@davenport.edu>
	<167f4090909230700i677d7614p417df737ffc9db00@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AB9F558.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
	<4AB9F76C020000750004095A@inet.eastcobbgroup.com>
Message-ID: <4AB9D0EE020000720003C2F0@health-mail2.tpchd.org>

Haven't checked lately, but in the early 90's the bulk of the economy - 80% - was in small businesses, defined for this stat as 50 employees or less. As you say that's a lot of money to leave on the table.
 
Randy Grein
Sr. Network Engineer
(253)798-6443


>>> "James Taylor" <James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com> 9/23/2009 7:24 AM >>>
Not nearly enough.
There are thousands of small business customers for every large customer.
Small business is what is a major factor in perceived, if not actual, market share.
Without a successful small business market a company will lose relevance and with it, larger customers.
-jt 


James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
678-697-9420
james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
http://www.eastcobbgroup.com




>>> "Matt Smith" <mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us> 9/23/2009  10:15 AM >>> 
>>> On 9/23/2009 at 10:00 AM, in message
<167f4090909230700i677d7614p417df737ffc9db00 at mail.gmail.com>, Bill
Brush
<bbrush at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:04 AM, Steven Tharp
> <Steven.Tharp at davenport.edu> wrote:
>> I am opposed to this move by Novell and think they are making a
mistake, but 
> lets be honest nobody's dropping Cisco who has the exact same
requirements 
> for patches and TIDS.
>>
>> Steven Tharp
> 
> 
> Cisco's market share is significantly different than Novell's, with
no
> serious challengers.   Novell, not so much.  A market leader can
make
> an unpopular move without it being fatal.

I think it's a silly move too.  At the same time, I think calling this
"fatal" is an over-dramatization.  People, many of us even, have been
saying Novell's going under any day now.  Still hasn't happened.

I don't think this means a thing for large customers who carry license
agreements of one sort or another.  It seems like this move might
discourage small business customers, but how many of those does Novell
have nowadays anyway?  

-Matt
-- 

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Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685 x1314
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From RGrein at tpchd.org  Wed Sep 23 15:42:30 2009
From: RGrein at tpchd.org (Randy Grein)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:42:30 -0700
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11. - revisited
In-Reply-To: <sab9d514.086@enterprise.ned.circ8.dcn>
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Ah, so they got you with the free lifetime support and upgrades, eh? (grin)
 
Randy Grein
Sr. Network Engineer
(253)798-6443


>>> "Craig Kramer" <Craig_Kramer at ned.uscourts.gov> 9/23/2009 5:57 AM >>>
I've dropped Cisco for that very reason and started replacing everything with HP Procurve switches.


>>> Steven.Tharp at davenport.edu 09/23/2009 7:04 AM >>>

I am opposed to this move by Novell and think they are making a mistake, but lets be honest nobody's dropping Cisco who has the exact same requirements for patches and TIDS. 

Steven Tharp

>>> Matthew Shuter <lists at shuters.net> 9/23/2009 7:51 AM >>>
according to our inside sales rep, our SLA means no change for us.

the changes will occur/affect later due to mass exodus of other customers

Vincent Rossano wrote:
> An SLA (which I have) constitutes a
> maintenance agreement, doesn't it?  If so, I would be unscathed by this
> latest Novell disaster, and might yet make it to retirement using Novell
> products.
>
> -Vince
>
>   


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From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Wed Sep 23 15:51:11 2009
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:51:11 -0400
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11. - revisited
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I think that Novell as well as other Linux vendors are in a tight spot when
it comes to small businesses and simple file and print sharing because of
the "everyone knows windows" mentality.  If you are a small shop and you
are going to put something in place are you going to have a consultant drop
in a Linux or Netware solution or are you going to go Windows because you
think you can run it no problem once the implementation is finished?  There
is also the ever present better third party software integration with M$.

It is a shame that the products cannot be chosen based on design and
technical merit and Novell played into that decision making model with this
latest move.

Bottom line for us is we made a commitment and did migrate to OES2/Linux
and it is working well for us and this recent decision by Novell will not
affect us so we are staying the course for now but I can't say that I blame
anyone who makes the change.

T2


                                                                           
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Haven't checked lately, but in the early 90's the bulk of the economy - 80%
- was in small businesses, defined for this stat as 50 employees or less.
As you say that's a lot of money to leave on the table.

Randy Grein
Sr. Network Engineer
(253)798-6443


>>> "James Taylor" <James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com> 9/23/2009 7:24 AM >>>
Not nearly enough.
There are thousands of small business customers for every large customer.
Small business is what is a major factor in perceived, if not actual,
market share.
Without a successful small business market a company will lose relevance
and with it, larger customers.
-jt


James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
678-697-9420
james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
http://www.eastcobbgroup.com




>>> "Matt Smith" <mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us> 9/23/2009  10:15 AM >>>
>>> On 9/23/2009 at 10:00 AM, in message
<167f4090909230700i677d7614p417df737ffc9db00 at mail.gmail.com>, Bill
Brush
<bbrush at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:04 AM, Steven Tharp
> <Steven.Tharp at davenport.edu> wrote:
>> I am opposed to this move by Novell and think they are making a
mistake, but
> lets be honest nobody's dropping Cisco who has the exact same
requirements
> for patches and TIDS.
>>
>> Steven Tharp
>
>
> Cisco's market share is significantly different than Novell's, with
no
> serious challengers.   Novell, not so much.  A market leader can
make
> an unpopular move without it being fatal.

I think it's a silly move too.  At the same time, I think calling this
"fatal" is an over-dramatization.  People, many of us even, have been
saying Novell's going under any day now.  Still hasn't happened.

I don't think this means a thing for large customers who carry license
agreements of one sort or another.  It seems like this move might
discourage small business customers, but how many of those does Novell
have nowadays anyway?

-Matt
--

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Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685 x1314
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From RGrein at tpchd.org  Wed Sep 23 16:11:20 2009
From: RGrein at tpchd.org (Randy Grein)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:11:20 -0700
Subject: done
In-Reply-To: <aa8faa50e819484080422317653be0ff@ladyburd.com>
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Sorry to hear that Larry. Same boat here - we are supposed to be off eDir by end of year. Keeping Zen 10 and Groupwise for the moment - Groupwise is up for evaluation in a couple months, and our manager was making worried noises about imaging issues 'that just don't happen with Ghost'. We could be Novell free within a year if things go poorly.
 
Randy Grein
Sr. Network Engineer
(253)798-6443


>>> "Larry Burd" <larry at ladyburd.com> 9/23/2009 7:27 AM >>>
my friend works for cablevision with 45,000 novell users.   They are now migrating to AD.   Groupwise will be gone soon for exchange.

it'll be a slow migration for us too, with only 50 users,  but the time has come.   I'm taking MS classes now, which I think are poorly designed, but I see no other option.
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From evansj21 at msu.edu  Wed Sep 23 22:17:38 2009
From: evansj21 at msu.edu (John Evans)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:17:38 -0400
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11. - revisited
In-Reply-To: <167f4090909230700i677d7614p417df737ffc9db00@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4AB8E278.8030507@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
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	<167f4090909230700i677d7614p417df737ffc9db00@mail.gmail.com>
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> A market leader can make an unpopular move without it being fatal.
 
Wasn't that Novell many years ago?


>>> Bill Brush <bbrush at gmail.com> 9/23/2009 10:00 AM >>>
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:04 AM, Steven Tharp
<Steven.Tharp at davenport.edu> wrote:
> I am opposed to this move by Novell and think they are making a mistake, but lets be honest nobody's dropping Cisco who has the exact same requirements for patches and TIDS.
>
> Steven Tharp


Cisco's market share is significantly different than Novell's, with no
serious challengers.   Novell, not so much.  A market leader can make
an unpopular move without it being fatal.

Bill
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From petervl at gmail.com  Thu Sep 24 00:04:49 2009
From: petervl at gmail.com (Peter Van Lone)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:04:49 -0500
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11. - revisited
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On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 4:17 PM, John Evans <evansj21 at msu.edu> wrote:
>> A market leader can make an unpopular move without it being fatal.
>
> Wasn't that Novell many years ago?

yes, and arrogance and inattentiveness took care of that ...

From joe.acquisto at gmail.com  Thu Sep 24 18:12:38 2009
From: joe.acquisto at gmail.com (joe Acquisto)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:12:38 -0400
Subject: Support Changes? Requiem at 11. - revisited
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Novell, I fear, has this image of it's future, as the Mercedes of the
industry.

The Elite only, please.  If you need to ask how much, it's too much, for
you.

joe a.

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Peter Van Lone <petervl at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 4:17 PM, John Evans <evansj21 at msu.edu> wrote:
> >> A market leader can make an unpopular move without it being fatal.
> >
> > Wasn't that Novell many years ago?
>
> yes, and arrogance and inattentiveness took care of that ...
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From mmeens at mesastate.edu  Thu Sep 24 21:00:44 2009
From: mmeens at mesastate.edu (Michael Meens)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:00:44 -0600
Subject: 6.5 backup to HD
In-Reply-To: <4AB9F52F.C4E4.0040.0@davenport.edu>
References: <sab9f28a.046@acgih2.acgih.org>
	<4AB9F52F.C4E4.0040.0@davenport.edu>
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I use the open-source BackupPC http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ for my home backups, and for one small production server across the WAN at work. It uses rsync to transfer files, and uses hard links to handle primitive file-level de-duplication. Even with one server and little duplicate data, it makes a big difference because I can maintain 9 full backups, and 14 incrementals, without using much more space disk space than 1 full backup.

The main advantage of this over straight rsync is the ability to recover older versions of files at a later time. It has a web interface that allows you to view all of the versions of files on backup, and recover whichever one you want.

There are some disadvantages as well. I had to make one change to a perl script to back up NetWare servers (I can get that change to you if you want to try it out), because NetWare's rsync gives an unexpected response when it first connects. You'll also need to set up a cron job to back up trustee assignments, eDirectory, and GroupWise separately. Finally, I've never tried to use a NetWare server to host the backup software... it's really designed to run from a Linux system, which is how I run it.

The NetWare server has since been upgraded to OES2, and I back it up with BackupPC as well.

Mike Meens
Mesa State College

>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at  8:13 AM, in message <4AB9F52F.C4E4.0040.0 at davenport.edu>, "Steven Tharp" <Steven.Tharp at davenport.edu> wrote:

Like and use Rsync not for this exact use but a similar purpose. Lack some of the reporting and open file management that fancy backup programs give you but still a good alternative.

Steven Tharp

>>> "Greg Beckmeyer" <gbeckmeyer at acgih.org> 9/23/2009 10:03 AM >>>
Have a netware 6.5 SBS server with a failing tape drive.  I've already
bought a couple sata drives and enclosures to investigate going that
route with backups instead of forking out $1000+ for another tape drive
that will likely fail again in a few years.  Very small environment,
just the single server with a 400Gb raid5 array to backup.  Our version
of BackupExec doesn't support backup to disk, so I've considered and
need to test rsync and Yosemite backup, and just realized Portlock might
be another possible option if its possible to restore individual files
and not just an entire image.  Running Groupwise too, but currently
using dbcopy to get a backup on disk and excluding the live domain/po
from the nightly tape backup so I'm assuming any of these options will
work the same.

Just looking for input from anyone currently using any of these options
(or others, on an extremely low budget) for disk to disk backup.

Thanks,
Greg Beckmeyer

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From joe.acquisto at gmail.com  Thu Sep 24 21:12:37 2009
From: joe.acquisto at gmail.com (joe Acquisto)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:12:37 -0400
Subject: 6.5 backup to HD
In-Reply-To: <sab9f28a.046@acgih2.acgih.org>
References: <sab9f28a.046@acgih2.acgih.org>
Message-ID: <5e7da10a0909241312r469c028ey939246ff408fbaba@mail.gmail.com>

If you have Linux, look at Amanda, which has a windows client.  You would
have to run CIFS
(or whatever it is called now) to publish the volumes as windows stuff.
Then again, maybe not.

joe a.

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Greg Beckmeyer <gbeckmeyer at acgih.org>wrote:

> Have a netware 6.5 SBS server with a failing tape drive.  I've already
> bought a couple sata drives and enclosures to investigate going that
> route with backups instead of forking out $1000+ for another tape drive
> that will likely fail again in a few years.  Very small environment,
> just the single server with a 400Gb raid5 array to backup.  Our version
> of BackupExec doesn't support backup to disk, so I've considered and
> need to test rsync and Yosemite backup, and just realized Portlock might
> be another possible option if its possible to restore individual files
> and not just an entire image.  Running Groupwise too, but currently
> using dbcopy to get a backup on disk and excluding the live domain/po
> from the nightly tape backup so I'm assuming any of these options will
> work the same.
>
> Just looking for input from anyone currently using any of these options
> (or others, on an extremely low budget) for disk to disk backup.
>
> Thanks,
> Greg Beckmeyer
>
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From Hatchellb at vvc.edu  Thu Sep 24 21:14:11 2009
From: Hatchellb at vvc.edu (Brian Hatchell)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:14:11 -0700
Subject: 6.5 backup to HD
In-Reply-To: <4ABB7B8C.3CF9.008D.0@mesastate.edu>
References: <sab9f28a.046@acgih2.acgih.org>
	<4AB9F52F.C4E4.0040.0@davenport.edu>
	<4ABB7B8C.3CF9.008D.0@mesastate.edu>
Message-ID: <4ABB70A302000024000460BF@lola.vvc.edu>

Can I see the PERL script?
 
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>>> On 9/24/2009 at 1:00 PM, in message
<4ABB7B8C.3CF9.008D.0 at mesastate.edu>, "Michael Meens"
<mmeens at mesastate.edu> wrote:

I use the open-source BackupPC http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ for my
home backups, and for one small production server across the WAN at
work. It uses rsync to transfer files, and uses hard links to handle
primitive file-level de-duplication. Even with one server and little
duplicate data, it makes a big difference because I can maintain 9 full
backups, and 14 incrementals, without using much more space disk space
than 1 full backup.

The main advantage of this over straight rsync is the ability to
recover older versions of files at a later time. It has a web interface
that allows you to view all of the versions of files on backup, and
recover whichever one you want.

There are some disadvantages as well. I had to make one change to a
perl script to back up NetWare servers (I can get that change to you if
you want to try it out), because NetWare's rsync gives an unexpected
response when it first connects. You'll also need to set up a cron job
to back up trustee assignments, eDirectory, and GroupWise separately.
Finally, I've never tried to use a NetWare server to host the backup
software... it's really designed to run from a Linux system, which is
how I run it.

The NetWare server has since been upgraded to OES2, and I back it up
with BackupPC as well.

Mike Meens
Mesa State College

>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at  8:13 AM, in message
<4AB9F52F.C4E4.0040.0 at davenport.edu>, "Steven Tharp"
<Steven.Tharp at davenport.edu> wrote:

Like and use Rsync not for this exact use but a similar purpose. Lack
some of the reporting and open file management that fancy backup
programs give you but still a good alternative.

Steven Tharp

>>> "Greg Beckmeyer" <gbeckmeyer at acgih.org> 9/23/2009 10:03 AM >>>
Have a netware 6.5 SBS server with a failing tape drive.  I've already
bought a couple sata drives and enclosures to investigate going that
route with backups instead of forking out $1000+ for another tape
drive
that will likely fail again in a few years.  Very small environment,
just the single server with a 400Gb raid5 array to backup.  Our
version
of BackupExec doesn't support backup to disk, so I've considered and
need to test rsync and Yosemite backup, and just realized Portlock
might
be another possible option if its possible to restore individual files
and not just an entire image.  Running Groupwise too, but currently
using dbcopy to get a backup on disk and excluding the live domain/po
from the nightly tape backup so I'm assuming any of these options will
work the same.

Just looking for input from anyone currently using any of these
options
(or others, on an extremely low budget) for disk to disk backup.

Thanks,
Greg Beckmeyer

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From debbie_carraway at ncsu.edu  Thu Sep 24 21:40:17 2009
From: debbie_carraway at ncsu.edu (Debbie Carraway)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:40:17 -0400
Subject: done
In-Reply-To: <4AB9D828020000720003C305@health-mail2.tpchd.org>
References: <aa8faa50e819484080422317653be0ff@ladyburd.com>
	<4AB9D828020000720003C305@health-mail2.tpchd.org>
Message-ID: <op.u0r3pfykie2deo@bigredn.unity.ad.ncsu.edu>

We're working on a migration to AD as well. GroupWise may be around  
another 18-24 mos if I've understood correctly. We've been a Novell shop  
since NW 2.15c, but the poor quality of ZfD/ZCM, issues with OES, positive  
relationship with Red Hat/installed base, the lack of modern drivers for  
NetWare, the fact that we have to run a Windows environment anyway to  
support applications, the greater availability of trained staff for  
Windows, have killed it for us. All my dstrace skills, for naught. I hate  
it, but it's the right thing to do for us.

My question is, where do you go for a Windows community akin to this  
Novell list?

Debbie

-- 
Debbie Carraway
Systems & Hosted Services
Office of Information Technology, NC State University
Voice: 919.515.5498  AIM: DeborahCarraway


On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:11:20 -0400, Randy Grein <RGrein at tpchd.org> wrote:

> Sorry to hear that Larry. Same boat here - we are supposed to be off  
> eDir by end of year. Keeping Zen 10 and Groupwise for the moment -  
> Groupwise is up for evaluation in a couple months, and our manager was  
> making worried noises about imaging issues 'that just don't happen with  
> Ghost'. We could be Novell free within a year if things go poorly.
> Randy Grein
> Sr. Network Engineer
> (253)798-6443
>
>
>>>> "Larry Burd" <larry at ladyburd.com> 9/23/2009 7:27 AM >>>
> my friend works for cablevision with 45,000 novell users.   They are now  
> migrating to AD.   Groupwise will be gone soon for exchange.
>
> it'll be a slow migration for us too, with only 50 users,  but the time  
> has come.   I'm taking MS classes now, which I think are poorly  
> designed, but I see no other option.
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From RGrein at tpchd.org  Thu Sep 24 22:22:40 2009
From: RGrein at tpchd.org (Randy Grein)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:22:40 -0700
Subject: done
In-Reply-To: <op.u0r3pfykie2deo@bigredn.unity.ad.ncsu.edu>
References: <aa8faa50e819484080422317653be0ff@ladyburd.com>
	<4AB9D828020000720003C305@health-mail2.tpchd.org>
	<op.u0r3pfykie2deo@bigredn.unity.ad.ncsu.edu>
Message-ID: <4ABB80B0020000720003C5EE@health-mail2.tpchd.org>

Nothing like this group that I've seen. Closest has been the linux and mac communities....
 
Randy Grein
Sr. Network Engineer
(253)798-6443


>>> "Debbie Carraway" <debbie_carraway at ncsu.edu> 9/24/2009 1:40 PM >>>
We're working on a migration to AD as well. GroupWise may be around  
another 18-24 mos if I've understood correctly. We've been a Novell shop  
since NW 2.15c, but the poor quality of ZfD/ZCM, issues with OES, positive  
relationship with Red Hat/installed base, the lack of modern drivers for  
NetWare, the fact that we have to run a Windows environment anyway to  
support applications, the greater availability of trained staff for  
Windows, have killed it for us. All my dstrace skills, for naught. I hate  
it, but it's the right thing to do for us.

My question is, where do you go for a Windows community akin to this  
Novell list?

Debbie

-- 
Debbie Carraway
Systems & Hosted Services
Office of Information Technology, NC State University
Voice: 919.515.5498  AIM: DeborahCarraway


On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:11:20 -0400, Randy Grein <RGrein at tpchd.org> wrote:

> Sorry to hear that Larry. Same boat here - we are supposed to be off  
> eDir by end of year. Keeping Zen 10 and Groupwise for the moment -  
> Groupwise is up for evaluation in a couple months, and our manager was  
> making worried noises about imaging issues 'that just don't happen with  
> Ghost'. We could be Novell free within a year if things go poorly.
> Randy Grein
> Sr. Network Engineer
> (253)798-6443
>
>
>>>> "Larry Burd" <larry at ladyburd.com> 9/23/2009 7:27 AM >>>
> my friend works for cablevision with 45,000 novell users.   They are now  
> migrating to AD.   Groupwise will be gone soon for exchange.
>
> it'll be a slow migration for us too, with only 50 users,  but the time  
> has come.   I'm taking MS classes now, which I think are poorly  
> designed, but I see no other option.
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From mmeens at mesastate.edu  Thu Sep 24 22:14:33 2009
From: mmeens at mesastate.edu (Michael Meens)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:14:33 -0600
Subject: 6.5 backup to HD
In-Reply-To: <4ABB70A302000024000460BF@lola.vvc.edu>
References: <sab9f28a.046@acgih2.acgih.org>
	<4AB9F52F.C4E4.0040.0@davenport.edu>
	<4ABB7B8C.3CF9.008D.0@mesastate.edu>
	<4ABB70A302000024000460BF@lola.vvc.edu>
Message-ID: <4ABB8CD9.3CF9.008D.0@mesastate.edu>

Sure. I'm using Perl 5.8.8 on the server which runs the backups (Gentoo Linux),
and had to modify one of the standard Rsync files, in my case,
/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux/File/RsyncP.pm . I don't believe I
made any changes to BackupPC's code.

The original file has a statement:

    if ( $line !~ /\@RSYNCD:\s*(\d+)/ ) {
        return "unexpected response $line\n";
    }

But, the version of Rsync I was using for NetWare doesn't respond with
"@RSYNCD:", it sends "This is the Netware(r) port of Rsync 2.6.0.", which causes
RsyncP to abort and return "unexpected response", and BackupPC gives up.

My work-around was to simply munch Novell's welcome message, and commented out
the 'unexpected response' check:

    $line='1';
    my $mmmdbg='';
    my $res;
    while($line)
    {
        $line = $rs->getLine;
        alarm(0) if ( $rs->{timeout} );
        $mmmdbg .= $line.'.';

        if ($line eq 'This is the Netware(r) port of Rsync 2.6.0.') {next;}
        if ($line eq 'Copyright (C) Andrew Tridgell, Paul Mackerras, Martin
Pool') {next;}
        if ($line eq 'Copyright (C) 1989, 1991 Free Software Foundation, Inc.')
{next;}
        if ($line eq 'Modifications for Novell(r) Netware(r) Copyright (c) 2002
Lee Wiltbank') {next;}
        if ($line eq '675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA') {next;}
        if ($line eq 'Welcome.') {next;}
        if ($line !~ /\@/) {$line='+';next;}
        last;

        #if ( $line !~ /\@RSYNCD:\s*(\d+)/ ) {
        #        return "dbg3: unexpected response $line\n";
        #        #print "dbg2: unexpected response $line\n";
        #}
        #else
        #{
        #        $res=$1;
        #        last;
        #}
    }

I've attached the file I'm using. I'm sure there are much more elegant
solutions, but once I worked around the issue on my system, I moved on. I
haven't tested this with any other versions of Rsync on NetWare or perl.

I'd clean up the file a bit if I was still using this on NetWare, but this
system has moved onto OES2, so I'm afraid to make any changes without testing.

Mike

>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at  2:14 PM, in message
<4ABB70A302000024000460BF at lola.vvc.edu>, "Brian Hatchell"
<Hatchellb at vvc.edu> wrote:

Can I see the PERL script?

Brian Hatchell
Network Manager
Victor Valley College
760 245-4271 x2792

For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public
relations, for Nature cannot be fooled *Richard P. Feynman


Twitter:@vvcit or http://twitter.com/vvcit
Check my Blog at
http://gwcal.vvc.edu/mplusextranet/scp.dll/blog?user=hatchellb


>>> On 9/24/2009 at 1:00 PM, in message
<4ABB7B8C.3CF9.008D.0 at mesastate.edu>, "Michael Meens"
<mmeens at mesastate.edu> wrote:

I use the open-source BackupPC http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ for my
home backups, and for one small production server across the WAN at
work. It uses rsync to transfer files, and uses hard links to handle
primitive file-level de-duplication. Even with one server and little
duplicate data, it makes a big difference because I can maintain 9 full
backups, and 14 incrementals, without using much more space disk space
than 1 full backup.

The main advantage of this over straight rsync is the ability to
recover older versions of files at a later time. It has a web interface
that allows you to view all of the versions of files on backup, and
recover whichever one you want.

There are some disadvantages as well. I had to make one change to a
perl script to back up NetWare servers (I can get that change to you if
you want to try it out), because NetWare's rsync gives an unexpected
response when it first connects. You'll also need to set up a cron job
to back up trustee assignments, eDirectory, and GroupWise separately.
Finally, I've never tried to use a NetWare server to host the backup
software... it's really designed to run from a Linux system, which is
how I run it.

The NetWare server has since been upgraded to OES2, and I back it up
with BackupPC as well.

Mike Meens
Mesa State College

>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at  8:13 AM, in message
<4AB9F52F.C4E4.0040.0 at davenport.edu>, "Steven Tharp"
<Steven.Tharp at davenport.edu> wrote:

Like and use Rsync not for this exact use but a similar purpose. Lack
some of the reporting and open file management that fancy backup
programs give you but still a good alternative.

Steven Tharp

>>> "Greg Beckmeyer" <gbeckmeyer at acgih.org> 9/23/2009 10:03 AM >>>
Have a netware 6.5 SBS server with a failing tape drive.  I've already
bought a couple sata drives and enclosures to investigate going that
route with backups instead of forking out $1000+ for another tape
drive
that will likely fail again in a few years.  Very small environment,
just the single server with a 400Gb raid5 array to backup.  Our
version
of BackupExec doesn't support backup to disk, so I've considered and
need to test rsync and Yosemite backup, and just realized Portlock
might
be another possible option if its possible to restore individual files
and not just an entire image.  Running Groupwise too, but currently
using dbcopy to get a backup on disk and excluding the live domain/po
from the nightly tape backup so I'm assuming any of these options will
work the same.

Just looking for input from anyone currently using any of these
options
(or others, on an extremely low budget) for disk to disk backup.

Thanks,
Greg Beckmeyer

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From alan at canisius.edu  Fri Sep 25 12:01:19 2009
From: alan at canisius.edu (Alan D Weitzsacker)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 07:01:19 -0400
Subject: done
In-Reply-To: <op.u0r3pfykie2deo@bigredn.unity.ad.ncsu.edu>
References: <aa8faa50e819484080422317653be0ff@ladyburd.com>	<4AB9D828020000720003C305@health-mail2.tpchd.org>
	<op.u0r3pfykie2deo@bigredn.unity.ad.ncsu.edu>
Message-ID: <4ABCA2FF.5090907@canisius.edu>

Debbie,

I've found a lot of good info from the Windows HiEd list. Here's the 
link for it:

https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/windows-hied

We're currently migrating to AD, including Exchange 2007.  We also have 
used Netware since 2.15c. Quality of the software hasn't necessarily 
been an issue in my mind, but perhaps perception.  For the most part 
everything just works and I know where to look for problems. There are 
other lists, but being a college I find the above noted list to have 
useful info.  I've looked for other resources such as ITtoolbox.com 
which has a number of AD and Windows-based forums that are active. I had 
taken some time to dig around for a variety as we were moving into the 
AD area. Redmond Magazine is a pretty good non-Microsoft source for info 
as well. 

    --alan

Debbie Carraway wrote:
> We're working on a migration to AD as well. GroupWise may be around 
> another 18-24 mos if I've understood correctly. We've been a Novell 
> shop since NW 2.15c, but the poor quality of ZfD/ZCM, issues with OES, 
> positive relationship with Red Hat/installed base, the lack of modern 
> drivers for NetWare, the fact that we have to run a Windows 
> environment anyway to support applications, the greater availability 
> of trained staff for Windows, have killed it for us. All my dstrace 
> skills, for naught. I hate it, but it's the right thing to do for us.
>
> My question is, where do you go for a Windows community akin to this 
> Novell list?
>
> Debbie
>

-- 
Alan D Weitzsacker, System Administrator III
Canisius College, Buffalo, NY 14208
alan at canisius.edu   x8363


From rpcarroll at wallgames.com  Fri Sep 25 13:42:54 2009
From: rpcarroll at wallgames.com (Robert Carroll)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:42:54 -0400
Subject: Fw: Novell Support response
Message-ID: <C7D1C95F3E414B00A05BC04C341993FA@y6i6u5udu1mk8xk>

I have attached an unexpectedly good response from Novell which was 
delivered to the novell.community.chat newsgroup.

-Bob Carroll

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "colleenok" <colleenok at no-mx.forums.novell.com>
Newsgroups: novell.community.chat
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:46 PM
Subject: Novell Support response


>
> As a result of your feedback and further analysis on our part, I'd like
> to let you know that we have decided NOT to move forward with the
> knowledgebase portion of the plan. To be clear, ALL knowledgebase
> content, including Technical Information Documents, for all Novell
> products will continue to be freely available to all Novell customers
> and partners-regardless of maintenance or subscription status.
>
> Your comments reminded us that our knowledgebase is a critical
> self-support mechanism for Novell products and that Novell support
> forums are greatly enriched by the direct and valuable contributions of
> a community, including many of you. Accordingly, continuing access to
> these resources on an unrestricted basis is the right choice.
>
>
> We do intend to proceed with our planned policy changes requiring
> current maintenance to access patches and support packs. We recognize,
> however, that a longer notification period would allow customers to
> properly plan and budget for this change. As a result, we will be
> announcing a new date when this policy will go into effect.
>
>
> We fundamentally believe in the value of our maintenance program and
> the quality and functional enhancements we deliver through our patch and
> service pack updates.
>
>
> We appreciate the quick and candid feedback this community provided. We
> believe these changes balance the concerns you've raised and our ability
> to deliver innovation and support over the long run.
>
>
> Thank you again for your passion and support of Novell.
> Colleen O'Keefe
> Novell Services
>
>
> -- 
> colleenok
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> colleenok's Profile: http://forums.novell.com/member.php?userid=65431
> View this thread: http://forums.novell.com/showthread.php?t=387306
> 


From cal.frye at oberlin.edu  Fri Sep 25 14:45:17 2009
From: cal.frye at oberlin.edu (Cal Frye)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:45:17 -0400
Subject: done
In-Reply-To: <4ABB80B0020000720003C5EE@health-mail2.tpchd.org>
References: <aa8faa50e819484080422317653be0ff@ladyburd.com>	<4AB9D828020000720003C305@health-mail2.tpchd.org>	<op.u0r3pfykie2deo@bigredn.unity.ad.ncsu.edu>
	<4ABB80B0020000720003C5EE@health-mail2.tpchd.org>
Message-ID: <4ABCC96D.3080703@oberlin.edu>

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Randy Grein wrote:
> Nothing like this group that I've seen. Closest has been the linux and mac communities....
>
>>>> "Debbie Carraway" <debbie_carraway at ncsu.edu> 9/24/2009 1:40 PM >>>
> My question is, where do you go for a Windows community akin to this  
> Novell list?

For the .edu community, there is the labman list at Educause; that might
be close if they're anything like the network managers or wireless
lists. I do not know of anyone like Joe D on those lists however ;-)

- --
Celebrating the 150th anniversary of the publication of the Origin of
Species.
- -- Cal Frye, Network Administrator, Oberlin College
   Mudd Library, x.56930 -- CIT will NEVER ask you for your password!

   www.calfrye.com,  www.pitalabs.com

"If there is to be peace in the home, there must be peace in the heart."
- --Lao-Tse.
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From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Fri Sep 25 15:18:23 2009
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:18:23 -0400
Subject: done
In-Reply-To: <4ABCC96D.3080703@oberlin.edu>
References: <aa8faa50e819484080422317653be0ff@ladyburd.com><4AB9D828020000720003C305@health-mail2.tpchd.org><op.u0r3pfykie2deo@bigredn.unity.ad.ncsu.edu><4ABB80B0020000720003C5EE@health-mail2.tpchd.org>
	<4ABCC96D.3080703@oberlin.edu>
Message-ID: <OFCB90EDCA.7DF6035D-ON8525763C.004E4981-8525763C.004E9662@LocalDomain>

Just wondering if anyone migrating off of Netware has considered a switch
to Linux (any flavor).  I personally like the way Linux lets me do what i
want in a variety of ways and I know this is also a possibility to a
smaller degree with M$ products.

I see us as a K-12 school district getting pushed towards Windows and I
would like to know if anyone has taken the plunge to run their services on
Linux with the obligatory Windows app servers?

Thanks.

T2


                                                                           
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Randy Grein wrote:
> Nothing like this group that I've seen. Closest has been the linux and
mac communities....
>
>>>> "Debbie Carraway" <debbie_carraway at ncsu.edu> 9/24/2009 1:40 PM >>>
> My question is, where do you go for a Windows community akin to this
> Novell list?

For the .edu community, there is the labman list at Educause; that might
be close if they're anything like the network managers or wireless
lists. I do not know of anyone like Joe D on those lists however ;-)

- --
Celebrating the 150th anniversary of the publication of the Origin of
Species.
- -- Cal Frye, Network Administrator, Oberlin College
   Mudd Library, x.56930 -- CIT will NEVER ask you for your password!

   www.calfrye.com,  www.pitalabs.com

"If there is to be peace in the home, there must be peace in the heart."
- --Lao-Tse.
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From joe.acquisto at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 15:31:30 2009
From: joe.acquisto at gmail.com (joe Acquisto)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:31:30 -0400
Subject: Standby - Winds shifting?
Message-ID: <5e7da10a0909250731qbf8959ci55a725bfa66eeac7@mail.gmail.com>

Just as an FYI -

Novell is, apparently, modifying the new policy.   Apparenlty, the uproar is
having some effect.

joe a.

From joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk  Fri Sep 25 15:34:40 2009
From: joe.doupnik at oucs.ox.ac.uk (Joe R. Doupnik)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:34:40 +0100
Subject: Standby - Winds shifting?
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References: <5e7da10a0909250731qbf8959ci55a725bfa66eeac7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ABCD500.7070602@oucs.ox.ac.uk>

joe Acquisto wrote:
> Just as an FYI -
>
> Novell is, apparently, modifying the new policy.   Apparenlty, the uproar is
> having some effect.
>
> joe a.
>   
-----------
       Rather less the noise than well stated cogent arguments, I should 
think.
I went through the matter with a high level Novell person last July, but HQ
decided otherwise.
       So, "you done did it."
       Joe D.

From RGrein at tpchd.org  Fri Sep 25 15:44:21 2009
From: RGrein at tpchd.org (Randy Grein)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 07:44:21 -0700
Subject: Fw: Novell Support response
In-Reply-To: <C7D1C95F3E414B00A05BC04C341993FA@y6i6u5udu1mk8xk>
References: <C7D1C95F3E414B00A05BC04C341993FA@y6i6u5udu1mk8xk>
Message-ID: <4ABC74D5020000720003C677@health-mail2.tpchd.org>

Wow. There may be some hope for Novell after all! THIS is the kind of response you expect from a customer-oriented entity. Be sure and thank your Novell reps...
 
Randy Grein
Sr. Network Engineer
(253)798-6443


>>> "Robert Carroll" <rpcarroll at wallgames.com> 9/25/2009 5:42 AM >>>
I have attached an unexpectedly good response from Novell which was 
delivered to the novell.community.chat newsgroup.

-Bob Carroll

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "colleenok" <colleenok at no-mx.forums.novell.com>
Newsgroups: novell.community.chat
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:46 PM
Subject: Novell Support response


>
> As a result of your feedback and further analysis on our part, I'd like
> to let you know that we have decided NOT to move forward with the
> knowledgebase portion of the plan. To be clear, ALL knowledgebase
> content, including Technical Information Documents, for all Novell
> products will continue to be freely available to all Novell customers
> and partners-regardless of maintenance or subscription status.
>
> Your comments reminded us that our knowledgebase is a critical
> self-support mechanism for Novell products and that Novell support
> forums are greatly enriched by the direct and valuable contributions of
> a community, including many of you. Accordingly, continuing access to
> these resources on an unrestricted basis is the right choice.
>
>
> We do intend to proceed with our planned policy changes requiring
> current maintenance to access patches and support packs. We recognize,
> however, that a longer notification period would allow customers to
> properly plan and budget for this change. As a result, we will be
> announcing a new date when this policy will go into effect.
>
>
> We fundamentally believe in the value of our maintenance program and
> the quality and functional enhancements we deliver through our patch and
> service pack updates.
>
>
> We appreciate the quick and candid feedback this community provided. We
> believe these changes balance the concerns you've raised and our ability
> to deliver innovation and support over the long run.
>
>
> Thank you again for your passion and support of Novell.
> Colleen O'Keefe
> Novell Services
>
>
> -- 
> colleenok
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> View this thread: http://forums.novell.com/showthread.php?t=387306
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From mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us  Fri Sep 25 16:19:41 2009
From: mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us (Matt Smith)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:19:41 -0400
Subject: done
In-Reply-To: <OFCB90EDCA.7DF6035D-ON8525763C.004E4981-8525763C.004E9662@LocalDomain>
References: <aa8faa50e819484080422317653be0ff@ladyburd.com><4AB9D828020000720003C305@health-mail2.tpchd.org><op.u0r3pfykie2deo@bigredn.unity.ad.ncsu.edu><4ABB80B0020000720003C5EE@health-mail2.tpchd.org>
	<4ABCC96D.3080703@oberlin.edu>
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Message-ID: <4ABCA74B.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>

>>> On 9/25/2009 at 10:18 AM, in message
<OFCB90EDCA.7DF6035D-ON8525763C.004E4981-8525763C.004E9662 at LocalDomain>,
<TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone migrating off of Netware has considered a
switch
> to Linux (any flavor).  I personally like the way Linux lets me do
what i
> want in a variety of ways and I know this is also a possibility to a
> smaller degree with M$ products.
> 
> I see us as a K-12 school district getting pushed towards Windows and
I
> would like to know if anyone has taken the plunge to run their
services on
> Linux with the obligatory Windows app servers?


Our district might be a little unusual.  We actually ran a lot of our
services on Linux already, and just standardized on SLES once Novell
acquired SUSE.  Moving from Netware to OES just seemed natural for us. 
It's worked well so far anyway.

So... if you already have the licenses and like Linux, why dump
everything and go to another distribution?  At least with Novell you get
all the spiffy management tools as well.

And to answer your question more directly, if you're willing to pay
subscription fees, then Red Hat Enterprise is a good alternative.  If
you're looking for all free/open source, then I'd check out Ubuntu.

Of course if you're looking for another Linux/Unix type distribution
that has tight server-to-desktop integration and management, have you
considered MacOS?  I'm just sayin'...


-Matt


-- 

Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685 x1314

From larry at ladyburd.com  Fri Sep 25 16:42:50 2009
From: larry at ladyburd.com (Larry Burd)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:42:50 -0400
Subject: Folder Redirection
References: <mailman.712.1253886250.3817.novell@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <A4C9F90F090D4383B5A528D72040C9FF@ladyburd.local>

While we are in the process of migrating away.
I am experimenting with Folder Redirection to the Windows 2008 SBS server.

The workstations where I am running the NW client, and win domain,  folder 
redirection kills off all the Novell Mappings, and it completely eliminates 
applications from seeing the NW server.   In fact the NW login script runs, 
but it's meaning less.
It appears to completely redirect everything to the win domain, no matter 
where it was pointing.

Anybody get folder redirection to work with the NW client installed on XP.

With out folder redirection, I can see both worlds perfectly.


Larry Burd
 


From lists at ricmarques.net  Fri Sep 25 17:04:30 2009
From: lists at ricmarques.net (Ricardo Dias Marques)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:04:30 +0100
Subject: done
In-Reply-To: <4ABCC96D.3080703@oberlin.edu>
References: <aa8faa50e819484080422317653be0ff@ladyburd.com>
	<4AB9D828020000720003C305@health-mail2.tpchd.org>
	<op.u0r3pfykie2deo@bigredn.unity.ad.ncsu.edu>
	<4ABB80B0020000720003C5EE@health-mail2.tpchd.org>
	<4ABCC96D.3080703@oberlin.edu>
Message-ID: <aea63ba20909250904o7b2dfa4eo8536a43696c27134@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Cal Frye (and other list members),

I think this is my first post here, in the "NOVELL Lan Interest Group"
mailing list. Hi everyone!  :)

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 14:45, Cal Frye <cal.frye at oberlin.edu> wrote:

> For the .edu community, there is the labman list at Educause; that might
> be close if they're anything like the network managers or wireless
> lists. I do not know of anyone like Joe D on those lists however ;-)

I'm browsing the list of "mailing lists" at Educause, that is available both at:

EDUCAUSE LISTSERV - LISTSERV Archives at LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
http://listserv.educause.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?INDEX

... and at:

Constituent and Discussion Groups | EDUCAUSE
http://www.educause.edu/cg

... and at:

Lists hosted at LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
http://www.lsoft.com/scripts/wl.exe?XH=LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU


In all of these pages, I *do* find a "NETMAN" mailing list ("The
EDUCAUSE Network Management Constituent Group Listserv") and a
"WIRELESS-LAN" mailing list ("The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent
Group Listserv").

However, I am *not* finding a "LABMAN" mailing list for Educause. Am I
searching for it in a wrong way  -or-  is LABMAN a list that doesn't
belong to Educause?

There *is* a "LABMAN-L" mailing list for GSU (Georgia Southern
University), "LABMAN-L at GeorgiaSouthern.edu". Maybe you were thinking
about that one? I'm not subscribed to that list and the archives are
restricted to members, so I don't know if that one is currently
"active" or not.


Thanks in advance.

Best wishes,
Ricardo Dias Marques
lists AT ricmarques DOT net

From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Fri Sep 25 17:34:55 2009
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:34:55 -0400
Subject: done
In-Reply-To: <4ABCA74B.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
References: <aa8faa50e819484080422317653be0ff@ladyburd.com><4AB9D828020000720003C305@health-mail2.tpchd.org><op.u0r3pfykie2deo@bigredn.unity.ad.ncsu.edu><4ABB80B0020000720003C5EE@health-mail2.tpchd.org><4ABCC96D.3080703@oberlin.edu><OFCB90EDCA.7DF6035D-ON8525763C.004E4981-8525763C.004E9662@LocalDomain>
	<4ABCA74B.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us>
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Matt,

We also use Linux to run some services, we moved from NW to OES2/Linux as a
way to standardize on a distro and get more Linux on the back end and
despite a few growing pains it has been a success.  I am wondering did you
ever use Samba without OES for your Windows desktops?

I like the idea of Ubuntu, I used Debian a lot on servers about 6 to 7
years ago and I like the Debian based distros.  I have tried to make the
argument that it may serve our school district better to hire knowledgeable
staff and roll our own Linux solutions but I don't know if that is my
personal philosophy getting the better of me or good advice for the
district.

Anybody else thinking along those lines?

As far as the Macs go....ummm....yikes!  :-0

T2


                                                                           
             "Matt Smith"                                                  
             <mrsmith at oconee.k                                             
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>>> On 9/25/2009 at 10:18 AM, in message
<OFCB90EDCA.7DF6035D-ON8525763C.004E4981-8525763C.004E9662 at LocalDomain>,
<TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone migrating off of Netware has considered a
switch
> to Linux (any flavor).  I personally like the way Linux lets me do
what i
> want in a variety of ways and I know this is also a possibility to a
> smaller degree with M$ products.
>
> I see us as a K-12 school district getting pushed towards Windows and
I
> would like to know if anyone has taken the plunge to run their
services on
> Linux with the obligatory Windows app servers?


Our district might be a little unusual.  We actually ran a lot of our
services on Linux already, and just standardized on SLES once Novell
acquired SUSE.  Moving from Netware to OES just seemed natural for us.
It's worked well so far anyway.

So... if you already have the licenses and like Linux, why dump
everything and go to another distribution?  At least with Novell you get
all the spiffy management tools as well.

And to answer your question more directly, if you're willing to pay
subscription fees, then Red Hat Enterprise is a good alternative.  If
you're looking for all free/open source, then I'd check out Ubuntu.

Of course if you're looking for another Linux/Unix type distribution
that has tight server-to-desktop integration and management, have you
considered MacOS?  I'm just sayin'...


-Matt


--

Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685 x1314
_______________________________________________
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From RGrein at tpchd.org  Fri Sep 25 17:54:00 2009
From: RGrein at tpchd.org (Randy Grein)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:54:00 -0700
Subject: done
In-Reply-To: <OFF834B6CF.235BFCB7-ON8525763C.005A58DC-8525763C.005B16AA@LocalDomain>
References: <aa8faa50e819484080422317653be0ff@ladyburd.com><4AB9D828020000720003C305@health-mail2.tpchd.org><op.u0r3pfykie2deo@bigredn.unity.ad.ncsu.edu><4ABB80B0020000720003C5EE@health-mail2.tpchd.org><4ABCC96D.3080703@oberlin.edu><OFCB90EDCA.7DF6035D-ON8525763C.004E4981-8525763C.004E9662@LocalDomain>
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Every few months I'll put up a suggestion to consider mac clients to my peers; there is real value for those who are willing to consider something different. The server appears to also be a good value with an adequate directory (Open LDAP, snaps right into AD) and unlimited connection licenses) and offers connections via AFP, SMB and (if memory serves) NFS. Workstation management through Zen-like tools is also pretty smooth, for the macs at least. Nothing comparable on the windows side I'm afraid.
 
The right linux distro with open ldap could provide similar benefits although the effort to configure would be higher. Enough to make a difference? Dunno, but if I were still consulting I'd look at it pretty hard. Obviously I agree with you and there are enough others that your district really should take you seriously.
 
Randy Grein
Sr. Network Engineer
(253)798-6443
 
>>> <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> 9/25/2009 9:34 AM >>>
Matt,

We also use Linux to run some services, we moved from NW to OES2/Linux as a
way to standardize on a distro and get more Linux on the back end and
despite a few growing pains it has been a success.  I am wondering did you
ever use Samba without OES for your Windows desktops?

I like the idea of Ubuntu, I used Debian a lot on servers about 6 to 7
years ago and I like the Debian based distros.  I have tried to make the
argument that it may serve our school district better to hire knowledgeable
staff and roll our own Linux solutions but I don't know if that is my
personal philosophy getting the better of me or good advice for the
district.

Anybody else thinking along those lines?

As far as the Macs go....ummm....yikes!  :-0

T2


                                                                           
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>>> On 9/25/2009 at 10:18 AM, in message
<OFCB90EDCA.7DF6035D-ON8525763C.004E4981-8525763C.004E9662 at LocalDomain>,
<TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone migrating off of Netware has considered a
switch
> to Linux (any flavor).  I personally like the way Linux lets me do
what i
> want in a variety of ways and I know this is also a possibility to a
> smaller degree with M$ products.
>
> I see us as a K-12 school district getting pushed towards Windows and
I
> would like to know if anyone has taken the plunge to run their
services on
> Linux with the obligatory Windows app servers?


Our district might be a little unusual.  We actually ran a lot of our
services on Linux already, and just standardized on SLES once Novell
acquired SUSE.  Moving from Netware to OES just seemed natural for us.
It's worked well so far anyway.

So... if you already have the licenses and like Linux, why dump
everything and go to another distribution?  At least with Novell you get
all the spiffy management tools as well.

And to answer your question more directly, if you're willing to pay
subscription fees, then Red Hat Enterprise is a good alternative.  If
you're looking for all free/open source, then I'd check out Ubuntu.

Of course if you're looking for another Linux/Unix type distribution
that has tight server-to-desktop integration and management, have you
considered MacOS?  I'm just sayin'...


-Matt


--

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Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685 x1314
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From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Fri Sep 25 18:01:29 2009
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:01:29 -0400
Subject: done -- OT
In-Reply-To: <4ABC9338020000720003C721@health-mail2.tpchd.org>
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Randy,

I have heard of issues with scalability of OSX servers but being a real
noob when it comes to Mac I am not sure if this is FUD or not.  We have 14
macs in our district of 3000+ PCs so I don't spend much time on them.  We
are looking to put the Prosoft client on our limited Macs so we don't have
to fool with AFP but if we do get more Macs in the district (not
necessarily on my recommendation but hey that's how it goes) then I might
consider an OSX server.  Just wondering how that would or if it could
integrate with OES2/Linux but I haven't spent a lot of time on thinking
about it...yet.

T2


                                                                           
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Every few months I'll put up a suggestion to consider mac clients to my
peers; there is real value for those who are willing to consider something
different. The server appears to also be a good value with an adequate
directory (Open LDAP, snaps right into AD) and unlimited connection
licenses) and offers connections via AFP, SMB and (if memory serves) NFS.
Workstation management through Zen-like tools is also pretty smooth, for
the macs at least. Nothing comparable on the windows side I'm afraid.

The right linux distro with open ldap could provide similar benefits
although the effort to configure would be higher. Enough to make a
difference? Dunno, but if I were still consulting I'd look at it pretty
hard. Obviously I agree with you and there are enough others that your
district really should take you seriously.

Randy Grein
Sr. Network Engineer
(253)798-6443

>>> <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> 9/25/2009 9:34 AM >>>
Matt,

We also use Linux to run some services, we moved from NW to OES2/Linux as a
way to standardize on a distro and get more Linux on the back end and
despite a few growing pains it has been a success.  I am wondering did you
ever use Samba without OES for your Windows desktops?

I like the idea of Ubuntu, I used Debian a lot on servers about 6 to 7
years ago and I like the Debian based distros.  I have tried to make the
argument that it may serve our school district better to hire knowledgeable
staff and roll our own Linux solutions but I don't know if that is my
personal philosophy getting the better of me or good advice for the
district.

Anybody else thinking along those lines?

As far as the Macs go....ummm....yikes!  :-0

T2



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>>> On 9/25/2009 at 10:18 AM, in message
<OFCB90EDCA.7DF6035D-ON8525763C.004E4981-8525763C.004E9662 at LocalDomain>,
<TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone migrating off of Netware has considered a
switch
> to Linux (any flavor).  I personally like the way Linux lets me do
what i
> want in a variety of ways and I know this is also a possibility to a
> smaller degree with M$ products.
>
> I see us as a K-12 school district getting pushed towards Windows and
I
> would like to know if anyone has taken the plunge to run their
services on
> Linux with the obligatory Windows app servers?


Our district might be a little unusual.  We actually ran a lot of our
services on Linux already, and just standardized on SLES once Novell
acquired SUSE.  Moving from Netware to OES just seemed natural for us.
It's worked well so far anyway.

So... if you already have the licenses and like Linux, why dump
everything and go to another distribution?  At least with Novell you get
all the spiffy management tools as well.

And to answer your question more directly, if you're willing to pay
subscription fees, then Red Hat Enterprise is a good alternative.  If
you're looking for all free/open source, then I'd check out Ubuntu.

Of course if you're looking for another Linux/Unix type distribution
that has tight server-to-desktop integration and management, have you
considered MacOS?  I'm just sayin'...


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From RGrein at tpchd.org  Fri Sep 25 18:10:03 2009
From: RGrein at tpchd.org (Randy Grein)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:10:03 -0700
Subject: done -- OT
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I don't KNOW, because I've not had the opportunity to work with them in a high volume environment. But the issues are likely the same as I see elsewhere - someone sets up drive mirroring in the OS, or a 4 drive RAID 5 setup on an external subsystem and expects miracles. There is, or was a design limit in the apple external storage system - RAID 5 over a maximum of 7 drives; the chassis was physically split in half which limits RAID performance. That may no longer be true, it's been a while since I've even looked at the specs.
 
I have heard of others integrating OS X servers into eDir, it would certainly be through open ldap but I don't have any details, so treat that as rumor. Oh, and keep in mind that Macs deal very well with SMB services if you do migrate. Might make things easier.
 
Randy Grein
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(253)798-6443


>>> <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> 9/25/2009 10:01 AM >>>
Randy,

I have heard of issues with scalability of OSX servers but being a real
noob when it comes to Mac I am not sure if this is FUD or not.  We have 14
macs in our district of 3000+ PCs so I don't spend much time on them.  We
are looking to put the Prosoft client on our limited Macs so we don't have
to fool with AFP but if we do get more Macs in the district (not
necessarily on my recommendation but hey that's how it goes) then I might
consider an OSX server.  Just wondering how that would or if it could
integrate with OES2/Linux but I haven't spent a lot of time on thinking
about it...yet.

T2


                                                                           
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Every few months I'll put up a suggestion to consider mac clients to my
peers; there is real value for those who are willing to consider something
different. The server appears to also be a good value with an adequate
directory (Open LDAP, snaps right into AD) and unlimited connection
licenses) and offers connections via AFP, SMB and (if memory serves) NFS.
Workstation management through Zen-like tools is also pretty smooth, for
the macs at least. Nothing comparable on the windows side I'm afraid.

The right linux distro with open ldap could provide similar benefits
although the effort to configure would be higher. Enough to make a
difference? Dunno, but if I were still consulting I'd look at it pretty
hard. Obviously I agree with you and there are enough others that your
district really should take you seriously.

Randy Grein
Sr. Network Engineer
(253)798-6443

>>> <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> 9/25/2009 9:34 AM >>>
Matt,

We also use Linux to run some services, we moved from NW to OES2/Linux as a
way to standardize on a distro and get more Linux on the back end and
despite a few growing pains it has been a success.  I am wondering did you
ever use Samba without OES for your Windows desktops?

I like the idea of Ubuntu, I used Debian a lot on servers about 6 to 7
years ago and I like the Debian based distros.  I have tried to make the
argument that it may serve our school district better to hire knowledgeable
staff and roll our own Linux solutions but I don't know if that is my
personal philosophy getting the better of me or good advice for the
district.

Anybody else thinking along those lines?

As far as the Macs go....ummm....yikes!  :-0

T2



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>>> On 9/25/2009 at 10:18 AM, in message
<OFCB90EDCA.7DF6035D-ON8525763C.004E4981-8525763C.004E9662 at LocalDomain>,
<TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone migrating off of Netware has considered a
switch
> to Linux (any flavor).  I personally like the way Linux lets me do
what i
> want in a variety of ways and I know this is also a possibility to a
> smaller degree with M$ products.
>
> I see us as a K-12 school district getting pushed towards Windows and
I
> would like to know if anyone has taken the plunge to run their
services on
> Linux with the obligatory Windows app servers?


Our district might be a little unusual.  We actually ran a lot of our
services on Linux already, and just standardized on SLES once Novell
acquired SUSE.  Moving from Netware to OES just seemed natural for us.
It's worked well so far anyway.

So... if you already have the licenses and like Linux, why dump
everything and go to another distribution?  At least with Novell you get
all the spiffy management tools as well.

And to answer your question more directly, if you're willing to pay
subscription fees, then Red Hat Enterprise is a good alternative.  If
you're looking for all free/open source, then I'd check out Ubuntu.

Of course if you're looking for another Linux/Unix type distribution
that has tight server-to-desktop integration and management, have you
considered MacOS?  I'm just sayin'...


-Matt


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From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Fri Sep 25 18:18:51 2009
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:18:51 -0400
Subject: done -- OT
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Randy,

Thanks for the info....sounds like I need to head back into the lab, makes
me long for summertime. :-)

T2


                                                                           
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I don't KNOW, because I've not had the opportunity to work with them in a
high volume environment. But the issues are likely the same as I see
elsewhere - someone sets up drive mirroring in the OS, or a 4 drive RAID 5
setup on an external subsystem and expects miracles. There is, or was a
design limit in the apple external storage system - RAID 5 over a maximum
of 7 drives; the chassis was physically split in half which limits RAID
performance. That may no longer be true, it's been a while since I've even
looked at the specs.

I have heard of others integrating OS X servers into eDir, it would
certainly be through open ldap but I don't have any details, so treat that
as rumor. Oh, and keep in mind that Macs deal very well with SMB services
if you do migrate. Might make things easier.

Randy Grein
Sr. Network Engineer
(253)798-6443


>>> <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> 9/25/2009 10:01 AM >>>
Randy,

I have heard of issues with scalability of OSX servers but being a real
noob when it comes to Mac I am not sure if this is FUD or not.  We have 14
macs in our district of 3000+ PCs so I don't spend much time on them.  We
are looking to put the Prosoft client on our limited Macs so we don't have
to fool with AFP but if we do get more Macs in the district (not
necessarily on my recommendation but hey that's how it goes) then I might
consider an OSX server.  Just wondering how that would or if it could
integrate with OES2/Linux but I haven't spent a lot of time on thinking
about it...yet.

T2



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Every few months I'll put up a suggestion to consider mac clients to my
peers; there is real value for those who are willing to consider something
different. The server appears to also be a good value with an adequate
directory (Open LDAP, snaps right into AD) and unlimited connection
licenses) and offers connections via AFP, SMB and (if memory serves) NFS.
Workstation management through Zen-like tools is also pretty smooth, for
the macs at least. Nothing comparable on the windows side I'm afraid.

The right linux distro with open ldap could provide similar benefits
although the effort to configure would be higher. Enough to make a
difference? Dunno, but if I were still consulting I'd look at it pretty
hard. Obviously I agree with you and there are enough others that your
district really should take you seriously.

Randy Grein
Sr. Network Engineer
(253)798-6443

>>> <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> 9/25/2009 9:34 AM >>>
Matt,

We also use Linux to run some services, we moved from NW to OES2/Linux as a
way to standardize on a distro and get more Linux on the back end and
despite a few growing pains it has been a success.  I am wondering did you
ever use Samba without OES for your Windows desktops?

I like the idea of Ubuntu, I used Debian a lot on servers about 6 to 7
years ago and I like the Debian based distros.  I have tried to make the
argument that it may serve our school district better to hire knowledgeable
staff and roll our own Linux solutions but I don't know if that is my
personal philosophy getting the better of me or good advice for the
district.

Anybody else thinking along those lines?

As far as the Macs go....ummm....yikes!  :-0

T2



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>>> On 9/25/2009 at 10:18 AM, in message
<OFCB90EDCA.7DF6035D-ON8525763C.004E4981-8525763C.004E9662 at LocalDomain>,
<TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone migrating off of Netware has considered a
switch
> to Linux (any flavor).  I personally like the way Linux lets me do
what i
> want in a variety of ways and I know this is also a possibility to a
> smaller degree with M$ products.
>
> I see us as a K-12 school district getting pushed towards Windows and
I
> would like to know if anyone has taken the plunge to run their
services on
> Linux with the obligatory Windows app servers?


Our district might be a little unusual.  We actually ran a lot of our
services on Linux already, and just standardized on SLES once Novell
acquired SUSE.  Moving from Netware to OES just seemed natural for us.
It's worked well so far anyway.

So... if you already have the licenses and like Linux, why dump
everything and go to another distribution?  At least with Novell you get
all the spiffy management tools as well.

And to answer your question more directly, if you're willing to pay
subscription fees, then Red Hat Enterprise is a good alternative.  If
you're looking for all free/open source, then I'd check out Ubuntu.

Of course if you're looking for another Linux/Unix type distribution
that has tight server-to-desktop integration and management, have you
considered MacOS?  I'm just sayin'...


-Matt


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From mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us  Fri Sep 25 18:35:40 2009
From: mrsmith at oconee.k12.ga.us (Matt Smith)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:35:40 -0400
Subject: done
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>>> On 9/25/2009 at 12:34 PM, in message
<OFF834B6CF.235BFCB7-ON8525763C.005A58DC-8525763C.005B16AA at LocalDomain>,
<TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> wrote:
> Matt,
> 
> We also use Linux to run some services, we moved from NW to
OES2/Linux as a
> way to standardize on a distro and get more Linux on the back end
and
> despite a few growing pains it has been a success.  I am wondering
did you
> ever use Samba without OES for your Windows desktops?

I've never used it in production personally.  I have used it for casual
file-sharing.  In my old job, we used SAMBA for server-server file
sharing, but not so much for end-users.  Seems like there are more tools
out there for making SAMBA administration easier.  I have not played
with any recent versions of SAMBA.  I think it has promise if you're
willing to set up AD and then use Linux as SAMBA file servers.  I have
no practical experience with this to speak of though.
 
> I like the idea of Ubuntu, I used Debian a lot on servers about 6 to
7
> years ago and I like the Debian based distros.  I have tried to make
the
> argument that it may serve our school district better to hire
knowledgeable
> staff and roll our own Linux solutions but I don't know if that is
my
> personal philosophy getting the better of me or good advice for the
> district.
>
> Anybody else thinking along those lines?

Some places seem to be able to get what you're saying about needing the
necessary expertise to really make an open-source environment work. 
Most places I've been have been happy with the "free" idea, but very
resistant to hiring enough personnel to make a fully open-sourced
environment practical.  I used to be at a large, state university and
now I'm at a K-12 school system.  I've found the attitude to be
basically the same.  Of course, we have a hard time hiring enough people
to run the commercial applications that we've paid for, much less having
enough FTE's to develop our own open source solutions.

Having rambled on though, I do think going the open source path could
be quite practical for an organization that's willing to make the right
kinds of commitments.   

> As far as the Macs go....ummm....yikes!  :-0

Heh.  Yeah.  My boss hates Apple, so I haven't been able to drink the
Apple koolaid myself.

-Matt
-- 

Matt Smith                Network Technology Specialist
Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
Office of Instruction and Technology       706-769-5685 x1314

From geoffreycarman at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 18:39:18 2009
From: geoffreycarman at gmail.com (Geoffrey Carman)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:39:18 -0400
Subject: done -- OT
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We had a client that reported AFP on Mac OX X server (I forget the
rev, this was 6-8 months ago) would die after about 300 or so
connections, and further ones would just not be accepted.



On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 1:18 PM,  <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> wrote:
> Randy,
>
> Thanks for the info....sounds like I need to head back into the lab, makes
> me long for summertime. :-)
>
> T2
>
>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? "Randy Grein"
> ? ? ? ? ? ? <RGrein at tpchd.org
> ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?To
> ? ? ? ? ? ? Sent by: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?"Novell LAN Interest Group"
> ? ? ? ? ? ? novell-bounces at ne ? ? ? ? <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? tlab1.oucs.ox.ac. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?cc
> ? ? ? ? ? ? uk
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Subject
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Re: done -- OT
> ? ? ? ? ? ? 09/25/2009 01:10
> ? ? ? ? ? ? PM
>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? Please respond to
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Novell LAN
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Interest Group
> ? ? ? ? ? ? <novell at netlab1.o
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ucs.ox.ac.uk>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I don't KNOW, because I've not had the opportunity to work with them in a
> high volume environment. But the issues are likely the same as I see
> elsewhere - someone sets up drive mirroring in the OS, or a 4 drive RAID 5
> setup on an external subsystem and expects miracles. There is, or was a
> design limit in the apple external storage system - RAID 5 over a maximum
> of 7 drives; the chassis was physically split in half which limits RAID
> performance. That may no longer be true, it's been a while since I've even
> looked at the specs.
>
> I have heard of others integrating OS X servers into eDir, it would
> certainly be through open ldap but I don't have any details, so treat that
> as rumor. Oh, and keep in mind that Macs deal very well with SMB services
> if you do migrate. Might make things easier.
>
> Randy Grein
> Sr. Network Engineer
> (253)798-6443
>
>
>>>> <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> 9/25/2009 10:01 AM >>>
> Randy,
>
> I have heard of issues with scalability of OSX servers but being a real
> noob when it comes to Mac I am not sure if this is FUD or not. ?We have 14
> macs in our district of 3000+ PCs so I don't spend much time on them. ?We
> are looking to put the Prosoft client on our limited Macs so we don't have
> to fool with AFP but if we do get more Macs in the district (not
> necessarily on my recommendation but hey that's how it goes) then I might
> consider an OSX server. ?Just wondering how that would or if it could
> integrate with OES2/Linux but I haven't spent a lot of time on thinking
> about it...yet.
>
> T2
>
>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? "Randy Grein"
> ? ? ? ? ? ? <RGrein at tpchd.org
> ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?To
> ? ? ? ? ? ? Sent by: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?"Novell LAN Interest Group"
> ? ? ? ? ? ? novell-bounces at ne ? ? ? ? <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? tlab1.oucs.ox.ac. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?cc
> ? ? ? ? ? ? uk
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Subject
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Re: done
> ? ? ? ? ? ? 09/25/2009 12:54
> ? ? ? ? ? ? PM
>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? Please respond to
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Novell LAN
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Interest Group
> ? ? ? ? ? ? <novell at netlab1.o
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ucs.ox.ac.uk>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Every few months I'll put up a suggestion to consider mac clients to my
> peers; there is real value for those who are willing to consider something
> different. The server appears to also be a good value with an adequate
> directory (Open LDAP, snaps right into AD) and unlimited connection
> licenses) and offers connections via AFP, SMB and (if memory serves) NFS.
> Workstation management through Zen-like tools is also pretty smooth, for
> the macs at least. Nothing comparable on the windows side I'm afraid.
>
> The right linux distro with open ldap could provide similar benefits
> although the effort to configure would be higher. Enough to make a
> difference? Dunno, but if I were still consulting I'd look at it pretty
> hard. Obviously I agree with you and there are enough others that your
> district really should take you seriously.
>
> Randy Grein
> Sr. Network Engineer
> (253)798-6443
>
>>>> <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> 9/25/2009 9:34 AM >>>
> Matt,
>
> We also use Linux to run some services, we moved from NW to OES2/Linux as a
> way to standardize on a distro and get more Linux on the back end and
> despite a few growing pains it has been a success. ?I am wondering did you
> ever use Samba without OES for your Windows desktops?
>
> I like the idea of Ubuntu, I used Debian a lot on servers about 6 to 7
> years ago and I like the Debian based distros. ?I have tried to make the
> argument that it may serve our school district better to hire knowledgeable
> staff and roll our own Linux solutions but I don't know if that is my
> personal philosophy getting the better of me or good advice for the
> district.
>
> Anybody else thinking along those lines?
>
> As far as the Macs go....ummm....yikes! ?:-0
>
> T2
>
>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? "Matt Smith"
> ? ? ? ? ? ? <mrsmith at oconee.k
> ? ? ? ? ? ? 12.ga.us> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?To
> ? ? ? ? ? ? Sent by: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?"Novell LAN Interest Group"
> ? ? ? ? ? ? novell-bounces at ne ? ? ? ? <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? tlab1.oucs.ox.ac. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?cc
> ? ? ? ? ? ? uk
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Subject
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Re: done
> ? ? ? ? ? ? 09/25/2009 11:20
> ? ? ? ? ? ? AM
>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? Please respond to
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Novell LAN
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Interest Group
> ? ? ? ? ? ? <novell at netlab1.o
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ucs.ox.ac.uk>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>>> On 9/25/2009 at 10:18 AM, in message
> <OFCB90EDCA.7DF6035D-ON8525763C.004E4981-8525763C.004E9662 at LocalDomain>,
> <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> wrote:
>> Just wondering if anyone migrating off of Netware has considered a
> switch
>> to Linux (any flavor). ?I personally like the way Linux lets me do
> what i
>> want in a variety of ways and I know this is also a possibility to a
>> smaller degree with M$ products.
>>
>> I see us as a K-12 school district getting pushed towards Windows and
> I
>> would like to know if anyone has taken the plunge to run their
> services on
>> Linux with the obligatory Windows app servers?
>
>
> Our district might be a little unusual. ?We actually ran a lot of our
> services on Linux already, and just standardized on SLES once Novell
> acquired SUSE. ?Moving from Netware to OES just seemed natural for us.
> It's worked well so far anyway.
>
> So... if you already have the licenses and like Linux, why dump
> everything and go to another distribution? ?At least with Novell you get
> all the spiffy management tools as well.
>
> And to answer your question more directly, if you're willing to pay
> subscription fees, then Red Hat Enterprise is a good alternative. ?If
> you're looking for all free/open source, then I'd check out Ubuntu.
>
> Of course if you're looking for another Linux/Unix type distribution
> that has tight server-to-desktop integration and management, have you
> considered MacOS? ?I'm just sayin'...
>
>
> -Matt
>
>
> --
>
> Matt Smith ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Network Technology Specialist
> Oconee County School System, Oconee County, Georgia
> Office of Instruction and Technology ? ? ? 706-769-5685 x1314
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From cal.frye at oberlin.edu  Fri Sep 25 18:39:50 2009
From: cal.frye at oberlin.edu (Cal Frye)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:39:50 -0400
Subject: done -- OT
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Randy Grein wrote:
>  Oh, and keep in mind that Macs deal very well with SMB
> services if you do migrate. Might make things easier.
> 
Plus the desktops can run Microsoft Office, if that's a sticking point
for your clients. We're about 50/50 here, and I personally am on my
second MacBook Pro, having switched from Windows for my personal machine
several years ago. At the moment, I use Windows 7 in a virtual machine
(Sun's Virtual Box) on my Mac just for the Cisco ASDM firewall tool, but
that's mainly because this tool is broken by recent releases of the Java
VM on the Macintosh side ;-)

Way, way back at another employer I was having performance issues with
serving user profiles from our NT4 server. Switched the lot over to an
Appleshare IP server and users were much happier ;-)
Microsoft has gotten better in the years since, but so has Apple.
- --
Celebrating the 150th anniversary of the publication of the Origin of
Species.
- -- Cal Frye, Network Administrator, Oberlin College
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From TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org  Fri Sep 25 20:51:56 2009
From: TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org (TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:51:56 -0400
Subject: done -- really OT
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Well, it sounds like I need to do a little proof of concept for management
although I think we will be a Novell shop for a while yet.  I am at a bit
of a crossroads because we are considering putting in Ad and using the free
IDM bundle to alleviate the current reg hacked auto login nightmare
(inherited not my idea) and at that point it is difficult to not be pushed
down the only AD road but a little Linux in the mix would help ease the
pain.  ;-)

I have sipped the Mac koolaid, I have a Mac at home, ipods and an appleTV
but I am not a Mac crusader and i am not a real fan of a desktop that tries
to obfuscate as much as Apple does but on my specialized devices i find
that to be less of a problem.

Anyway, good discussion from a great list.

T2


                                                                           
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>>> On 9/25/2009 at 12:34 PM, in message
<OFF834B6CF.235BFCB7-ON8525763C.005A58DC-8525763C.005B16AA at LocalDomain>,
<TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> wrote:
> Matt,
>
> We also use Linux to run some services, we moved from NW to
OES2/Linux as a
> way to standardize on a distro and get more Linux on the back end
and
> despite a few growing pains it has been a success.  I am wondering
did you
> ever use Samba without OES for your Windows desktops?

I've never used it in production personally.  I have used it for casual
file-sharing.  In my old job, we used SAMBA for server-server file
sharing, but not so much for end-users.  Seems like there are more tools
out there for making SAMBA administration easier.  I have not played
with any recent versions of SAMBA.  I think it has promise if you're
willing to set up AD and then use Linux as SAMBA file servers.  I have
no practical experience with this to speak of though.

> I like the idea of Ubuntu, I used Debian a lot on servers about 6 to
7
> years ago and I like the Debian based distros.  I have tried to make
the
> argument that it may serve our school district better to hire
knowledgeable
> staff and roll our own Linux solutions but I don't know if that is
my
> personal philosophy getting the better of me or good advice for the
> district.
>
> Anybody else thinking along those lines?

Some places seem to be able to get what you're saying about needing the
necessary expertise to really make an open-source environment work.
Most places I've been have been happy with the "free" idea, but very
resistant to hiring enough personnel to make a fully open-sourced
environment practical.  I used to be at a large, state university and
now I'm at a K-12 school system.  I've found the attitude to be
basically the same.  Of course, we have a hard time hiring enough people
to run the commercial applications that we've paid for, much less having
enough FTE's to develop our own open source solutions.

Having rambled on though, I do think going the open source path could
be quite practical for an organization that's willing to make the right
kinds of commitments.

> As far as the Macs go....ummm....yikes!  :-0

Heh.  Yeah.  My boss hates Apple, so I haven't been able to drink the
Apple koolaid myself.

-Matt
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From Steven.Tharp at davenport.edu  Fri Sep 25 20:54:11 2009
From: Steven.Tharp at davenport.edu (Steven Tharp)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:54:11 -0400
Subject: Novell Announcement
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References: <aa8faa50e819484080422317653be0ff@ladyburd.com><4AB9D828020000720003C305@health-mail2.tpchd.org><op.u0r3pfykie2deo@bigredn.unity.ad.ncsu.edu><4ABB80B0020000720003C5EE@health-mail2.tpchd.org><4ABCC96D.3080703@oberlin.edu><OFCB90EDCA.7DF6035D-ON8525763C.004E4981-8525763C.004E9662@LocalDomain><4ABCA74B.E4C1.0068.0@oconee.k12.ga.us><OFF834B6CF.235BFCB7-ON8525763C.005A58DC-8525763C.005B16AA@LocalDomain>
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    As a result of your feedback and further analysis on our part, I?d
like to let you know that we have decided NOT to move forward with the
knowledgebase portion of the plan. To be clear, ALL knowledgebase
content, including Technical Information Documents, for all Novell
products will continue to be freely available to all Novell customers
and partners ? regardless of maintenance or subscription status.
 
    Your comments reminded us that our knowledgebase is a critical
self-support mechanism for Novell products and that Novell support
forums are greatly enriched by the direct and valuable contributions of
a community, including many of you. Accordingly, continuing access to
these resources on an unrestricted basis is the right choice.
 
    We do intend to proceed with our planned policy changes requiring
current maintenance to access patches and support packs. We recognize,
however, that a longer notification period would allow customers to
properly plan and budget for this change. As a result, we will be
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    We appreciate the quick and candid feedback this community
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From evansj21 at msu.edu  Sat Sep 26 00:30:15 2009
From: evansj21 at msu.edu (John Evans)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:30:15 -0400
Subject: done
In-Reply-To: <OFCB90EDCA.7DF6035D-ON8525763C.004E4981-8525763C.004E9662@LocalDomain>
References: <aa8faa50e819484080422317653be0ff@ladyburd.com><4AB9D828020000720003C305@health-mail2.tpchd.org><op.u0r3pfykie2deo@bigredn.unity.ad.ncsu.edu><4ABB80B0020000720003C5EE@health-mail2.tpchd.org>
	<4ABCC96D.3080703@oberlin.edu>
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Message-ID: <4ABD1A47.42FE.0085.0@MAIL.HFS.MSU.EDU>

All of our new servers over the past year have been OES2 Linux and we will probably put pure SLES in place where it makes sense (we do have a number of Red Hat servers managed by another member of our staff).  I'm sorry to say that most of our NetWare servers will be replaced by Windows servers rather than OES2.  This is a decision made ABOVE me.  Personally, I feel that Linux can deliver most of what we need but it is not my decision to make.  (So, if it is your decision and you feel comfortable with it, I say go for it.)  I might add that this plan is for our division and not the rest of our campus.
 
>>> <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> 9/25/2009 10:18 AM >>>
Just wondering if anyone migrating off of Netware has considered a switch
to Linux (any flavor).  I personally like the way Linux lets me do what i
want in a variety of ways and I know this is also a possibility to a
smaller degree with M$ products.

I see us as a K-12 school district getting pushed towards Windows and I
would like to know if anyone has taken the plunge to run their services on
Linux with the obligatory Windows app servers?

Thanks.

T2


                                                                           
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Randy Grein wrote:
> Nothing like this group that I've seen. Closest has been the linux and
mac communities....
>
>>>> "Debbie Carraway" <debbie_carraway at ncsu.edu> 9/24/2009 1:40 PM >>>
> My question is, where do you go for a Windows community akin to this
> Novell list?

For the .edu community, there is the labman list at Educause; that might
be close if they're anything like the network managers or wireless
lists. I do not know of anyone like Joe D on those lists however ;-)

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   Mudd Library, x.56930 -- CIT will NEVER ask you for your password!

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From MGlenn at cco.state.oh.us  Sat Sep 26 14:49:44 2009
From: MGlenn at cco.state.oh.us (Michael Glenn)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:49:44 -0400
Subject: done
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Let's see: 

The lab server runs Linux (SLES).
All the blade servers run Linux (ESX).
The in-house RBL server runs Linux (SLES).
The application and data servers run Linux (OES2). P.S.: DST rocks.
The NAT server runs Linux (OES2).
The master NDS replica server runs Linux (OES2).
The archive server runs Linux (OES2).
The iPrint server runs Linux (OES2).
The primary DNS server will run Linux after next weekend (OES2).
The email server will be migrated to Linux (OES2) sometime this autumn.
The ZENworks 7 server runs Netware, but the ZCM server prototype sitting in the lab runs Linux (OES2).
The firewall server will continue to run Netware until Novell comes up with a replacement for BorderManager (rolls eyes).
I WANT to move the database and web servers to Linux from Windows, but so far the PTBs won't let me.

Amusing side-note: A pro-Microsoft "consultant" managed to get one of the PTBs all loaded-up with FUD, claiming Linux was too "unstable" and "legally risky" for a production environment. So the PTB came down to visit, wanting to know what it would take to remove "any of that Linux stuff" from our network. 

The ensuing exchange was . . . intense. 


>>> "John Evans" <evansj21 at msu.edu> 09/25/2009 19:30 >>>
All of our new servers over the past year have been OES2 Linux and we will probably put pure SLES in place where it makes sense (we do have a number of Red Hat servers managed by another member of our staff).  I'm sorry to say that most of our NetWare servers will be replaced by Windows servers rather than OES2.  This is a decision made ABOVE me.  Personally, I feel that Linux can deliver most of what we need but it is not my decision to make.  (So, if it is your decision and you feel comfortable with it, I say go for it.)  I might add that this plan is for our division and not the rest of our campus.
 
>>> <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> 9/25/2009 10:18 AM >>>
Just wondering if anyone migrating off of Netware has considered a switch
to Linux (any flavor).  I personally like the way Linux lets me do what i
want in a variety of ways and I know this is also a possibility to a
smaller degree with M$ products.

I see us as a K-12 school district getting pushed towards Windows and I
would like to know if anyone has taken the plunge to run their services on
Linux with the obligatory Windows app servers?

Thanks.

T2


                                                                           
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Randy Grein wrote:
> Nothing like this group that I've seen. Closest has been the linux and
mac communities....
>
>>>> "Debbie Carraway" <debbie_carraway at ncsu.edu> 9/24/2009 1:40 PM >>>
> My question is, where do you go for a Windows community akin to this
> Novell list?

For the .edu community, there is the labman list at Educause; that might
be close if they're anything like the network managers or wireless
lists. I do not know of anyone like Joe D on those lists however ;-)

- --
Celebrating the 150th anniversary of the publication of the Origin of
Species.
- -- Cal Frye, Network Administrator, Oberlin College
   Mudd Library, x.56930 -- CIT will NEVER ask you for your password!

   www.calfrye.com,  www.pitalabs.com 

"If there is to be peace in the home, there must be peace in the heart."
- --Lao-Tse.
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From dmoon at peru.k12.in.us  Sun Sep 27 15:01:31 2009
From: dmoon at peru.k12.in.us (Dave Moon)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:01:31 -0400
Subject: Firewall question
Message-ID: <4ABF37FC020000EB000324B4@border.peru.k12.in.us>

We are currently using bordermanager as our firewall.  I am planning to move it to a suse linux box yet this fall.

Thoughts, we generally lock all ports and only open what is needed.

thanks for all info.

Dave

Dave Moon A+
Peru Community Schools
401 N. Broadway
Peru, IN 46970
765-473-3081
fax 765-472-5129


From MGlenn at cco.state.oh.us  Sun Sep 27 16:00:05 2009
From: MGlenn at cco.state.oh.us (Michael Glenn)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:00:05 -0400
Subject: Firewall question
In-Reply-To: <4ABF37FC020000EB000324B4@border.peru.k12.in.us>
References: <4ABF37FC020000EB000324B4@border.peru.k12.in.us>
Message-ID: <4ABF45B4.33FD.002C.1@cco.state.oh.us>

When in doubt, DENY. If someone complains, have them submit a business case.

>>> "Dave Moon" <dmoon at peru.k12.in.us> 09/27/2009 10:01 >>>
We are currently using bordermanager as our firewall.  I am planning to move it to a suse linux box yet this fall.

Thoughts, we generally lock all ports and only open what is needed.

thanks for all info.

Dave


From jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk  Sun Sep 27 16:31:29 2009
From: jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (jrd)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:31:29 +0100
Subject: Firewall question
In-Reply-To: <4ABF45B4.33FD.002C.1@cco.state.oh.us>
References: <4ABF37FC020000EB000324B4@border.peru.k12.in.us>
	<4ABF45B4.33FD.002C.1@cco.state.oh.us>
Message-ID: <4ABF8551.2040809@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

	That rather depends upon whether one is the authorized decision maker or just an implementer.
	Joe D.
--------------
Michael Glenn wrote:
> When in doubt, DENY. If someone complains, have them submit a business case.
> 
>>>> "Dave Moon" <dmoon at peru.k12.in.us> 09/27/2009 10:01 >>>
> We are currently using bordermanager as our firewall.  I am planning to move it to a suse linux box yet this fall.
> 
> Thoughts, we generally lock all ports and only open what is needed.
> 
> thanks for all info.
> 
> Dave
> 
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From joea at j4computers.com  Sun Sep 27 16:48:43 2009
From: joea at j4computers.com (joea at j4computers.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:48:43 -0400
Subject: Firewall question
In-Reply-To: <4ABF8551.2040809@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
References: <4ABF37FC020000EB000324B4@border.peru.k12.in.us>
	<4ABF45B4.33FD.002C.1@cco.state.oh.us>
	<4ABF8551.2040809@netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <4ABF511B0200008500060566@FS-LIN-OES>

That, is an excellent point, one which could save someone's hide.

joe a.

	>>> On 9/27/2009 at 11:31 AM, jrd <jrd at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
> That rather depends upon whether one is the authorized decision maker or just 
> an implementer.
> 	Joe D.
> --------------
> Michael Glenn wrote:
>> When in doubt, DENY. If someone complains, have them submit a business case.
>> 
>>>>> "Dave Moon" <dmoon at peru.k12.in.us> 09/27/2009 10:01 >>>
>> We are currently using bordermanager as our firewall.  I am planning to move 
> it to a suse linux box yet this fall.
>> 
>> Thoughts, we generally lock all ports and only open what is needed.
>> 
>> thanks for all info.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
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From randygrein at comcast.net  Sun Sep 27 17:07:28 2009
From: randygrein at comcast.net (Randy Grein)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:07:28 -0700
Subject: Firewall question
In-Reply-To: <4ABF37FC020000EB000324B4@border.peru.k12.in.us>
References: <4ABF37FC020000EB000324B4@border.peru.k12.in.us>
Message-ID: <D771869E-0023-4550-AFA1-6F1001F8F2F8@comcast.net>

As long as you recognize that the firewall is only one piece of the  
security puzzle. Too many bits of malware come in these days from  
trusted sources - infected websites are a prime source of infection.  
Unfortunately application level firewalls (proxy) blocks a lot of  
legitimate traffic or else does little to stop an attack. Add to your  
'deny unless explicitly allowed' rules reasonable outbound filters and  
logging, as well as some way to sift through the logs. Then lock down  
the clients and servers....

Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA

On Sep 27, 2009, at 7:01 AM, Dave Moon wrote:

> We are currently using bordermanager as our firewall.  I am planning  
> to move it to a suse linux box yet this fall.
>
> Thoughts, we generally lock all ports and only open what is needed.
>
> thanks for all info.
>
> Dave
>
> Dave Moon A+
> Peru Community Schools
> 401 N. Broadway
> Peru, IN 46970
> 765-473-3081
> fax 765-472-5129
>
> _______________________________________________
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From dmoon at peru.k12.in.us  Sun Sep 27 17:30:34 2009
From: dmoon at peru.k12.in.us (Dave Moon)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:30:34 -0400
Subject: Firewall question
In-Reply-To: <D771869E-0023-4550-AFA1-6F1001F8F2F8@comcast.net>
References: <4ABF37FC020000EB000324B4@border.peru.k12.in.us>
	<D771869E-0023-4550-AFA1-6F1001F8F2F8@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4ABF5AEB.44EC.00EB.0@peru.k12.in.us>

Thanks, That is the way we run now.  Everything blocked and must be requested.  I do have authority to open the ports when necessary or throw it higher up the chain when I do not think it is.  

I just wanted to make sure I wasn't going backwards in the changeover.  I feel as if the suse box should be more effecient.  Dansguardian will also be operating with clamwin.

Thank You all for the info.

Dave

Dave Moon A+
Peru Community Schools
401 N. Broadway
Peru, IN 46970
765-473-3081
fax 765-472-5129


>>> Randy Grein <randygrein at comcast.net> 9/27/2009 12:07:28 pm >>>
As long as you recognize that the firewall is only one piece of the  
security puzzle. Too many bits of malware come in these days from  
trusted sources - infected websites are a prime source of infection.  
Unfortunately application level firewalls (proxy) blocks a lot of  
legitimate traffic or else does little to stop an attack. Add to your  
'deny unless explicitly allowed' rules reasonable outbound filters and  
logging, as well as some way to sift through the logs. Then lock down  
the clients and servers....

Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA

On Sep 27, 2009, at 7:01 AM, Dave Moon wrote:

> We are currently using bordermanager as our firewall.  I am planning  
> to move it to a suse linux box yet this fall.
>
> Thoughts, we generally lock all ports and only open what is needed.
>
> thanks for all info.
>
> Dave
>
> Dave Moon A+
> Peru Community Schools
> 401 N. Broadway
> Peru, IN 46970
> 765-473-3081
> fax 765-472-5129
>
> _______________________________________________
> Novell mailing list
> Novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk 
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From awleask at gmail.com  Sun Sep 27 21:45:33 2009
From: awleask at gmail.com (Alister Leask)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:45:33 +1300
Subject: done -- OT
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	<OF80125DE6.F3C656AD-ON8525763C.005D167B-8525763C.005D8526@LocalDomain>
	<4ABC96FB020000720003C73E@health-mail2.tpchd.org>
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I can confirm that there is a scalability problem of some sort in the Mac
AFP service.

We have one department in one school who, for a number of reasons, run a Mac
infrastructure.
Previously they have had problems with server performance across a number of
different versions of OS X server. Just this year, starting at the beginning
of semester 1 they started having problem on a 10.4.9 server. After much
mucking about the server ended up being upgraded to 10.5.6 and the problem
still occurred. We have been able to minimise the problem, but it does still
occur from time to time - but at least the servers now seem to recover by
themselves.
If you were to look at the Apple forums there is a very long thread about
AFP performance issues on mac servers. Some people were seeing the problem
with as few as 20 clients. We have been fortunate to get upwards of 200 on a
server, but it's not pretty. One of our staff was told by Apple techs at
WWDC this year that they couldn't believe we could get that many clients on
a single server... And that's a 8 core server worth well over NZ$10,000 (I
can get 15 times that number of clients on a server running Netware for 1/2
the price. I can't believe how inefficient the implementation of the AFP
server seems to be - all 8 cores running at 100%. Now, where the server is
able to recover itself, the utilisation tends to sit around 50% across all
the cores and even that I think outrageous. Don't get me started on the
recommended number of AFP threads per connection either.
I agree with Randy that disk configuration has a lot to do with it - one of
the changes we made was in the XRAID configuration and it turns out that the
XRAID is made up of 1TB PATA drives.

I don't know how strong the correlation is, but in our environment it seems
that the version of the Adobe CS package has made an impact. I'm told that
CS2 caused performance problems with networked homes, CS3 was OK and now CS4
has seen problems again.
>From the forums, YMMV will vary - what fixes the problems for one group does
not for another, etc. Attempts to quantify configurations in use by the
people experiencing the problems have not achived much - these Mac types
seem to be a very independent bunch to say the least.

If I had the ability I would be replacing those servers of ours with
something - anything - else. IMHO, it might be cost effective in a small
office environment, but not for us in a large tertiary education environment
and I have explained this to our Apple reseller.
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 06:39, Geoffrey Carman <geoffreycarman at gmail.com>wrote:

> We had a client that reported AFP on Mac OX X server (I forget the
> rev, this was 6-8 months ago) would die after about 300 or so
> connections, and further ones would just not be accepted.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 1:18 PM,  <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> wrote:
> > Randy,
> >
> > Thanks for the info....sounds like I need to head back into the lab,
> makes
> > me long for summertime. :-)
> >
> > T2
> >
> >
> >
> >             "Randy Grein"
> >             <RGrein at tpchd.org
> >             >                                                          To
> >             Sent by:                  "Novell LAN Interest Group"
> >             novell-bounces at ne         <novell at netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk>
> >             tlab1.oucs.ox.ac.
>  cc
> >             uk
> >                                                                   Subject
> >                                       Re: done -- OT
> >             09/25/2009 01:10
> >             PM
> >
> >
> >             Please respond to
> >                Novell LAN
> >              Interest Group
> >             <novell at netlab1.o
> >               ucs.ox.ac.uk>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't KNOW, because I've not had the opportunity to work with them in a
> > high volume environment. But the issues are likely the same as I see
> > elsewhere - someone sets up drive mirroring in the OS, or a 4 drive RAID
> 5
> > setup on an external subsystem and expects miracles. There is, or was a
> > design limit in the apple external storage system - RAID 5 over a maximum
> > of 7 drives; the chassis was physically split in half which limits RAID
> > performance. That may no longer be true, it's been a while since I've
> even
> > looked at the specs.
> >
> > I have heard of others integrating OS X servers into eDir, it would
> > certainly be through open ldap but I don't have any details, so treat
> that
> > as rumor. Oh, and keep in mind that Macs deal very well with SMB services
> > if you do migrate. Might make things easier.
> >
> > Randy Grein
> > Sr. Network Engineer
> > (253)798-6443
> >
> >
> >>>> <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> 9/25/2009 10:01 AM >>>
> > Randy,
> >
> > I have heard of issues with scalability of OSX servers but being a real
> > noob when it comes to Mac I am not sure if this is FUD or not.  We have
> 14
> > macs in our district of 3000+ PCs so I don't spend much time on them.  We
> > are looking to put the Prosoft client on our limited Macs so we don't
> have
> > to fool with AFP but if we do get more Macs in the district (not
> > necessarily on my recommendation but hey that's how it goes) then I might
> > consider an OSX server.  Just wondering how that would or if it could
> > integrate with OES2/Linux but I haven't spent a lot of time on thinking
> > about it...yet.
> >
> > T2
> >
> >
> >
> >             "Randy Grein"
> >             <RGrein at tpchd.org
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> >             Sent by:                  "Novell LAN Interest Group"
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>  cc
> >             uk
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> >                                       Re: done
> >             09/25/2009 12:54
> >             PM
> >
> >
> >             Please respond to
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> >             <novell at netlab1.o
> >               ucs.ox.ac.uk>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Every few months I'll put up a suggestion to consider mac clients to my
> > peers; there is real value for those who are willing to consider
> something
> > different. The server appears to also be a good value with an adequate
> > directory (Open LDAP, snaps right into AD) and unlimited connection
> > licenses) and offers connections via AFP, SMB and (if memory serves) NFS.
> > Workstation management through Zen-like tools is also pretty smooth, for
> > the macs at least. Nothing comparable on the windows side I'm afraid.
> >
> > The right linux distro with open ldap could provide similar benefits
> > although the effort to configure would be higher. Enough to make a
> > difference? Dunno, but if I were still consulting I'd look at it pretty
> > hard. Obviously I agree with you and there are enough others that your
> > district really should take you seriously.
> >
> > Randy Grein
> > Sr. Network Engineer
> > (253)798-6443
> >
> >>>> <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> 9/25/2009 9:34 AM >>>
> > Matt,
> >
> > We also use Linux to run some services, we moved from NW to OES2/Linux as
> a
> > way to standardize on a distro and get more Linux on the back end and
> > despite a few growing pains it has been a success.  I am wondering did
> you
> > ever use Samba without OES for your Windows desktops?
> >
> > I like the idea of Ubuntu, I used Debian a lot on servers about 6 to 7
> > years ago and I like the Debian based distros.  I have tried to make the
> > argument that it may serve our school district better to hire
> knowledgeable
> > staff and roll our own Linux solutions but I don't know if that is my
> > personal philosophy getting the better of me or good advice for the
> > district.
> >
> > Anybody else thinking along those lines?
> >
> > As far as the Macs go....ummm....yikes!  :-0
> >
> > T2
> >
> >
> >
> >             "Matt Smith"
> >             <mrsmith at oconee.k
> >             12.ga.us>
>  To
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>  cc
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> >                                                                   Subject
> >                                       Re: done
> >             09/25/2009 11:20
> >             AM
> >
> >
> >             Please respond to
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> >             <novell at netlab1.o
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>>> On 9/25/2009 at 10:18 AM, in message
> > <OFCB90EDCA.7DF6035D-ON8525763C.004E4981-8525763C.004E9662 at LocalDomain>,
> > <TJohnson at lancaster.wnyric.org> wrote:
> >> Just wondering if anyone migrating off of Netware has considered a
> > switch
> >> to Linux (any flavor).  I personally like the way Linux lets me do
> > what i
> >> want in a variety of ways and I know this is also a possibility to a
> >> smaller degree with M$ products.
> >>
> >> I see us as a K-12 school district getting pushed towards Windows and
> > I
> >> would like to know if anyone has taken the plunge to run their
> > services on
> >> Linux with the obligatory Windows app servers?
> >
> >
> > Our district might be a little unusual.  We actually ran a lot of our
> > services on Linux already, and just standardized on SLES once Novell
> > acquired SUSE.  Moving from Netware to OES just seemed natural for us.
> > It's worked well so far anyway.
> >
> > So... if you already have the licenses and like Linux, why dump
> > everything and go to another distribution?  At least with Novell you get
> > all the spiffy management tools as well.
> >
> > And to answer your question more directly, if you're willing to pay
> > subscription fees, then Red Hat Enterprise is a good alternative.  If
> > you're looking for all free/open source, then I'd check out Ubuntu.
> >
> > Of course if you're looking for another Linux/Unix type distribution
> > that has tight server-to-desktop integration and management, have you
> > considered MacOS?  I'm just sayin'...
> >
> >
> > -Matt
> >
> >
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From peschmid at mpsomaha.org  Tue Sep 29 22:48:20 2009
From: peschmid at mpsomaha.org (Patrick Schmidt)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:48:20 -0500
Subject: ZCM Windows inventory only agent
Message-ID: <4AC23A54020000E40001A89D@groupwise.mpsomaha.org>

Greetings. A while back we deployed the ZCM inventory only agent to our Windows computers. Had a nice inventory of our Win machines. At some point after SP1 (apparently), those computers stopped sending their inventory information back to the server. Yesterday, I updated my ZCM server to 10.2.1. Today, I am trying to install the inventory only agent to a couple of Windows machines. The machines are not added to the inventory. I did a packet cap and it looks like the install downloads some info from the server, so the install seems to go okay, but I can't see where information is sent from the ws to the server. I can't even see where it's attempted. The client has files in the C:\Program Files\Novell\ZENworks\bin\outgoingUIA directory, so I'm assuming the scan is actually running. The db files on the server seem to be getting updated, based on the date and time of the file. But the computers are not in the database. It's ZCM 10.2.1, Sybase database, running on SLES 10.2. Any ideas where to look next?


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Patrick Schmidt
Millard Public Schools
Network Support Specialist
(402)715-6278
peschmid at mpsomaha.org 
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From peschmid at mpsomaha.org  Wed Sep 30 13:13:55 2009
From: peschmid at mpsomaha.org (Patrick Schmidt)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:13:55 -0500
Subject: ZCM Windows inventory only agent
Message-ID: <4AC30533020000E40001A99E@groupwise.mpsomaha.org>

Greetings. A while back we deployed the ZCM inventory only agent to our Windows computers. Had a nice inventory of our Win machines. At some point after SP1 (apparently), those computers stopped sending their inventory information back to the server. Yesterday, I updated my ZCM server to 10.2.1. Today, I am trying to install the inventory only agent to a couple of Windows machines. The machines are not added to the inventory. I did a packet cap and it looks like the install downloads some info from the server, so the install seems to go okay, but I can't see where information is sent from the ws to the server. I can't even see where it's attempted. The client has files in the C:\Program Files\Novell\ZENworks\bin\outgoingUIA directory, so I'm assuming the scan is actually running. The db files on the server seem to be getting updated, based on the date and time of the file. But the computers are not in the database. It's ZCM 10.2.1, Sybase database, running on SLES 10.2. Any ideas where to look next?


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Patrick Schmidt
Millard Public Schools
Network Support Specialist
(402)715-6278
peschmid at mpsomaha.org 
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From peschmid at mpsomaha.org  Wed Sep 30 14:47:23 2009
From: peschmid at mpsomaha.org (Patrick Schmidt)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:47:23 -0500
Subject: ZCM inventory not working for managed or non managed agents.
Message-ID: <4AC31B1B020000E40001AA9E@groupwise.mpsomaha.org>

I sent in a post earlier saying that the Windows inventory only agent was not working. It turns out that even my few managed agents are not in the inventory. I installed the managed agent on a Windows box and it shows up in my list of managed devices but not in the inventory. If I install the Win inventory only agent it is also not in the inventory. A packet trace of the Win client during the installation shows that the client is talking to the server, but I can't see any xml files being copied back to the server. Until we can qualify that ZCM is now ready for prime time we need to continue to use Zen 7 for management and ZCM for inventory. Any help will be greatly appreciated and rewarded with my undying respect and affection.


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Patrick Schmidt
Millard Public Schools
Network Support Specialist
(402)715-6278
peschmid at mpsomaha.org 
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